Gretchen Whitmer for President!

[tritsofme]

She will bring Michigan and the Blue Wall with her to the White House!

[OnDoutside]

1. Stop, just stop

[tritsofme]

5. President Biden has withdrawn, it's time to choose a nominee.

[OnDoutside]

12. Someone most of the country has never heard of yet

and 3 months to go. Seriously.

[kcr]

34. Yes, and it's going to be Kamala Harris

Because if it isn't, hello Trump second term.

[Demsrule86]

64. Kamala has to be the nominee.

[mucholderthandirt]

108. You must have missed the news.

We are choosing the nominee. Her name is Kamala Harris. Get with the program.

[tritsofme]

112. lol, please proceed with being mad at an old thread.

[edisdead]

55. I support Harris but why are you telling this person to stop.

Per EarlG’s post were are in open water and we are free to support who we wish.

[quaint]

2. Is Kamala Harris too senile?

[Ninga]

3. Absolutely not. Harries has gathered her foreign policy xperience and has the chops to do the job.

[beaglelover]

4. She would be a GREAT VP for Kamala!

[hlthe2b]

6. Umm, Admins.. Is it acceptable to lobby against our standing Vice President?

(I like Gretchen too, but this seems questionable to post right now)

[tritsofme]

15. Biden has withdrawn. Why would we be obligated to support someone who is not the nominee?

[quaint]

19. I voted for Kamala to step in if Joe stepped out. You gonna take my vote away?

[tritsofme]

21. I voted for Joe Biden in the primary. There weren't other names on the ballot.

[quaint]

22. I didn't know it was possible to vote for Joe and not Kamala.

[tritsofme]

24. VP candidates typically do not appear on the primary ballot.

[Demsrule86]

80. That is untrue...

She was on the ballots which is why she can take control if 96 million dollars.

[tritsofme]

94. No it's not. That is a function of how the campaign is registered with the FEC.

Harris’ name didn’t appear on my 2024 primary ballot, you don’t vote for a ticket in the primary, you vote for an individual.

[Demsrule86]

65. You would lose 96 Million dollars and the Black vote.

[sheshe2]

87. Correct.

[Eliot Rosewater]

101. Maybe that is the goal of certain folks. Hint hint

[Melon]

17. I thought the election is now open...

Let’s get the best person for the job….be it Harris or someone different. It’s bs that we can only have group think.

[quaint]

28. Thank goodness someone knows. Please share the process for selecting the candidates. TY.

[Melon]

30. I can't tell if you are being facetious or genuine

It goes back to Primary Season and we can pick the best candidate. There are numerous posts on the process even recent if you look past.

[quaint]

36. Sorry, I'm really upset.

Ptb didn't allow a real primary. They practically forced President Biden to withdraw. I read the rules, but my concern is procedures will be designed, within the rules of course, to obtain a preferred outcome.

[Demsrule86]

71. You have a food fight at the conventiion and until then no one can really campaign for the presidency. I am hoping

that the DNC steps in; we have a late convention...God, we are so fucked.

[Demsrule86]

66. You thought wrong...it is now the Kamala Harris campaign...Biden who was a portrayed is a broker loser had a 96

million war chest...it is now Kamala's

[Demsrule86]

79. Do you know when the convention is? Do you when early voting starts....seriously.

[sheshe2]

92. It is, however one must understand ...

how it works, what is a stake, and the electorate.

First, the 94 million in the Biden Harris coffers is not transferable to anyone other than Harris. Then you have to consider your voters, especially black women, are you really considering jumping over Harris to put a white woman in the Presidential slot?

Black women are our most reliable and frankly the largest Democratic voting block. Without their full support, we will lose.

[Ninga]

23. I'm with you....every thing seems questionable at this moment. - it must be my broken heart and spinning

head…

[vanlassie]

96. Pull yourself together tomorrow.

By tomorrow. 😉

[Polybius]

27. EarlG just made it clear that we are free to support any Democrat

https://www.democraticunderground.com/101314398

[hlthe2b]

29. Yes... He did so quickly and I appreciate his clarifying.

[Demsrule86]

67. I think you should go for it...and when we lose the black vote a big who cares right? It is not like we need them to wii

win or anything right?

[Polybius]

74. We won't

[Demsrule86]

76. How do we win if we can't campaign until after the convention...just before early voting... The delegate are

bound to Kamala and a case can be made that she is or soon will be the presumptive nominee. A delegate vote can happen sooner rather than later. She was in the primary... Waiting until the convention is political suicide. It is just before early voting starts.

[Tree Lady]

44. Earl said we are back to primary rules

until someone is absolutely chosen.

[hlthe2b]

48. Yes... I responded to that change earlier and am glad he clarified.

[edisdead]

56. Well to be fair I didn't see where we weren't

I mean the last few weeks people were surely not following the “not primary rules” whatever those were.

[Demsrule86]

82. That is just until something is decided. We are not having another primary.

[iemanja]

75. Read this: "primary rules"

https://democraticunderground.com/101314398

[Demsrule86]

83. I am well aware of the rules...but reality is that if we wait to have a nominee after the convention. We have no time to

campaign and will likely lose. We also have no time to raise money either which makes the 96 million dollars super important...

[iemanja]

93. The fact is there isn't a nominee yet

We are in primary mode, so people have a right to campaign for different candidates, regardless of what you or I think about their choices.

[hlthe2b]

85. Read this: Post #29 Post # 48

You are late to this discussion which occurred BEFORE EarlG made his post, but it has been discussed since and all here are now fully aware.

[Ms. Toad]

90. EarlG's post on the matter.

However, now that President Biden has stepped down, we will be temporarily returning to "Primary Season" rules. This means that members are free to promote and campaign for any candidate they like as a replacement, until such time that we determine a new nominee. At that point we will once again declare "General Election Season" to be in effect.

https://democraticunderground.com/101314398

[hlthe2b]

91. This discussion was from many hours ago BEFORE EarlG posted. See post # 29 and #48 and #85

We (on the subthread) learned this hours ago and have already "digested" the new approach.

[Ocelot II]

7. Ummm.. What about Kamala Harris?

You know, the current VP?

[tritsofme]

10. To be very candid, I don't think she can win.

[Lifeafter70]

61. Harris just had the largest single day fund raiser in history

Not to mention all 50 Democratic State Chairs support her. So I believe you just might be wrong. Also Niki Haley's voter pac just endorsed her.

[tritsofme]

62. I hope I am wrong! I have felt much better about her as the day goes on.

[Demsrule86]

69. Kamala is going under the bus too. And we lose 96 million dollars.

[onenote]

111. Huh? Care to explain your alternative facts statement?

[cilla4progress]

8. She is my 1st choice as well.

Midwesterner with Kamala as VP.

This was my desired outcome should Joe choose to drop out.

[Retrograde]

39. Why must Harris be second?

Is it because she's - no, we're better than that here.

I think Whitmer did and is doing a lot of good things for Michigan, and I'd like to see her in a national role. But jumping over the current VP is not IMHO the way to do it. Remember that we DUers tend to be more politically aware than the average voter - I'm not sure she has that much recognition among voters outside her state.

[cilla4progress]

42. You are right

and I retract. Especially now that Kamala is receiving all these endorsements!

One of my main reasons initially is I think it is generally preferable.. or used to be, anyway, to have an executive rather than a senator at the top. I also see now that as VP, Kamala has been in an executive role - especially internationally, and she has represented.ted us very well!

Also thinking about electability. But, as I say, with the strong endoresements rolling in, clearly top dems has things aligned before Joe's announcement today.

So, on the same page!

[Retrograde]

43. No prob. The press rarely mentions Harris's executive experience

Before she was a senator, she served two full terms as Attorney General of California, running an agency second in size only to the US DOJ. She has more public service experience than Trump and Vance combined

[cilla4progress]

45. Interesting -

thanks for the info!

[edisdead]

59. I DO think she is going to need someone

I DO think she is going to need someone as VP that has a bit of Foreign Affairs experience. That might not be possible though. As VP she has some experience but I do think that is one area that she is a little light on. Of course team red is completely fucked in that department anyway.

A good cabinet would help a lot too.

As far as the press I think that is where they might attack her when they aren’t trying to go through her personal life, which you KNOW they will.

[orange jar]

9. It'll be Harris.

She is the most obvious choice. Rallying behind the nominee — no matter who it is — is extremely important, though.

[jpug]

11. Nope

Harris / Whitmer 2024 is good.

Harris / Obama 2024 is better.

[Retrograde]

41. Barack isn't eligible

Malia and Sasha aren't old enough, and Michelle has repeatedly said she's not interested.

[travelingthrulife]

49. what a nightmare this is! Ponies and unicorns for everyone

I usually vote mid-October. Will we have thinned the herd by then?

[Retrograde]

63. We'd better have it decided well before then

The date of the election is set in stone: the first Tuesday after the first Monday in November per federal law. In my state, ballots must be mailed to every registered voter by October 6, which is when early voting starts. But there's over a month of prep* before that happens, so effectively the last date to change candidates is late August (and some states are even earlier - Ohio, for example)


*candidates need to be certified by the state's Secretary of State, voter guides written and posted/sent out, ballots designed, proofed, and printed, vote counting software updated and checked, etc. Plus, every Congressional district and a third of the Senate seats are also up for election, at the very least.

[Demsrule86]

78. If we wait until the covention, we will lose...no time for campaigning.

We can do it in advance with Kamala.

[Silent Type]

14. Not going to pick candidates right now, but I'd love for Harris/Whitmer to kick the two GOPer men in rearend.

[calguy]

16. I'd love to see her as Kamala's running mate

I hate it that Joe was forced out, but we now have to embrace the new reality.
Let the ladies kick some serious trump ass!

[MontanaMama]

18. It has to be Kamala.

We cannot afford to lose the AA women’s vote.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

20. NO! Harris is the only logical choice!

If Harris doesn't lead the ticket it will look like Biden never thought she was capable of leading the country. It will look like her picked her as VP just to get the Black and Female vote.
Biden should pass the torch to Harris and all Democrats should unite to support her and her pick for VP.

[JustAnotherGen]

32. Biden

My fellow Democrats, I have decided not to accept the nomination and to focus all my energies on my duties as President for the remainder of my term. My very first decision as the party nominee in 2020 was to pick Kamala Harris as my Vice President. And it’s been the best decision I’ve made. Today I want to offer my full support and endorsement for Kamala to be the nominee of our party this year. Democrats — it’s time to come together and beat Trump. Let’s do this.

[Unrepentant Fenian]

98. You are 100% right!

[Sneederbunk]

25. If it's not Harris, the party is shattered.

[ViewObsessed]

26. She is a brilliant African American woman

[JustAnotherGen]

31. Nope

[Elessar Zappa]

35. Biden endorsed Harris.

Doesn’t that mean that his delegates will also support her?

[Demsrule86]

38. No We are likely to face a contested convention...the last one was in 68...which led to Nixon's election.

[Elessar Zappa]

40. I'm not sure about that.

The delegates are Biden loyalists, big time. I believe they’ll honor his wishes/

[Demsrule86]

88. And we have less about one month before early voting starts...in the meantime, the GOP campaigns and we can't.

And mark my words we will have to fight to get the nominee on the ballot in court which takes time.

[Demsrule86]

37. Replace a Black woman Vice President with a White Woman?

Black voters will turn out in droves.

[Polybius]

58. I'd like to see a poll on who Afican Americans support to be our candidate

I bet it would surprise many.

[Demsrule86]

72. You think that if Kamala Harris is thrown under the bus, it won't affect the vote?

You must be kidding.

[Polybius]

73. I think if faced in a primary, she wouldn't have as much black support as people think

I guess we'll never know now.

[ecstatic]

46. Maybe for VP. nt

[Silent3]

47. I think she'd be great, but Harris is the only one I can see Democrats quickly coalescing behind...

...with minimal acrimony and damaging in-fighting.

Whitmer would be a great VP choice, however, among a wealth of good possible choices.

[SocialDemocrat61]

50. FYI

https://fortune.com/2024/07/21/gretchen-whitmer-michigan-kamala-harris-democratic-presidential-nomination-gavin-newsom/

[RandySF]

51. She said no.

[elleng]

52. No, this is NO way to unify the party and the country.

[ImNotGod]

53. It will be President Harris, my gov is happy where she is. nt

[33taw]

54. Harris has the Biden/Harris funds and campaign apparatus in place.

It is too late for anyone else at this point.

[travelingthrulife]

57. no international chops right?

I love her but she is probably best for 2028

[33taw]

60. Vs?

[deRien]

84. You are wrong about

her international experience. I have seen reports that she is well respected internationally. She hasn't been sitting behind a desk the last three years. Pew Research ~ most people have confidence in Kamala Harris across 18 countries
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2022/07/18/most-people-have-confidence-in-kamala-harris-across-18-surveyed-countries/

[33taw]

97. I haven't made any claim about her international experience? Maybe you are responding to someone else.

[Quixote1818]

68. In any other race Whitmer would be my choice. However, Biden endorsed Harris and I want to stay loyal to his wishes

Also, I just think she is the logical choice this time around. She is the easiest for the party to rally behind and transition to.

[PhilosopherKing]

70. VP slot

All woman ticket.

[choie]

77. No way

I didn’t vote for her

[Dem4life1970]

81. Harris-Whitmer

Like Clinton-Gore in '92 (the "double bubba" Arkansas -Tennessee), a Harris-Whitmer ticket would be a winning ticket. Or Gov. Shapiro (PA) Or Senator Kelly (AZ) too for that matter.

[PhilosopherKing]

103. Agree

Harris-Whitmer

[Cherrycheeks]

86. No.

[grockri]

89. Hell No!!

I love Gretchen, but if you bypass Kamala we are done. Stop this shit now
/

[Mister Ed]

95. Whitmer stated earlier today that she will not be a candidate for the presidency. n/t

[markpkessinger]

99. Whitmer has endorsed Harris, and is calling on other Democrats to do the same!

Time to let go of this fantasy!

[FHRRK]

100. In 2032

[cilla4progress]

102. What,

now?!

[Ocelot II]

104. It's Kamala Harris and it's a done deal.

[flying rabbit]

105. You must be really bored. nt

[tritsofme]

106. You must be bored kicking a thread from yesterday afternoon!

[dweller]

107. Me , after realizing my feelings over losing MY candidate President, is minuscule

compared to watching it now devolve into an greater shitshow of conflicting Democrats fighting over the inevitable Convention floor fight I could have predicted …




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[onenote]

110. Inevitable floor fight?

Really. You sticking with that?!