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[Lovie777]

1. Nope.....................

[MacDo]

5. Agreed.... N/T

[Arne]

2. Still believe trump has one foot in a jail cell.

[ecstatic]

3. sorry, but it's time to get over it and work hard for whoever our nominee is.

We don't need negativity right now.

[Wicked Blue]

8. Give us a chance to grieve

and get over our anger. I am not going to play happy face until I've done that.

[ecstatic]

13. Understood. Sorry. nt

[demmiblue]

18. No kidding, this JUST happened.

Many DUers have probably not even seen the news!

The finger-waggers need to give it rest.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

25. I'm stunned

Heartbroken. And completely PISSED OFF.

I feel like the earth is shifting under my feet.

3 - 2 -1 til MAGAts start in on VP Harris.

To imagine MAGAts had nothing to do with this effing nightmare, NO.

I'm truly devastated.

[Wicked Blue]

27. It's the oligarchs and their billions

They are in charge now thanks to Citizens United.

[intheflow]

82. My slim hope is that many conservative women

will vote for a woman of color after the draconian abortion bans across the country. Add in Trump’s rape conviction , and cheating on his with a porn star while his wife was home pregnant, maybe some trad wives will put their personal safety and rights above racism or party politics.

[Volaris]

75. Im with you. The people who called for this to happen, had their reasons,

and it might end up those reasons were correct. If so, I'll be the first to say 'good call, yall were right.'
But if Convict wins.. will those people take any responsibility for that, at all?
FUCK NO they won't.

I need to get over my anger at THAT, and then I'll do everything I can to make sure that what they've now demanded into reality doesn't turn into a clusterfuck that ends up electing an outright fascist.

I'm voting for whomever our nominee is, no doubt.

[Attilatheblond]

80. Most of us get that & ARE grieving too. But ask yourself: WWJD? What would Joe WANT us to do?

Pretty sure he wants us to face the fact and get back to work.

[Ninga]

10. Ya, buck it up! The announcement is less than an hour. We can't let Biden supporters mourn can

we.

[Bettie]

29. We don't even HAVE a nominee or even a presumptive one

just the certain knowledge that

A. the convention will be a shitshow. and

B. whoever the oligarchs choose will come out damaged.

C. Our chances of winning just went to approximately zero.

I will vote for whichever rich white dude the oligarchs put up, not that it will do much good.

[MaryMagdaline]

32. Agree. Time to pick a new leader and don't look back.

Joe is already in fighting mode. We need to be there too.

[sunnybrook]

76. Time to get over it?

It literally JUST HAPPENED! Show some grace to those of us who are hurt, angry, heartbroken etc.... we are good Democrats. We will march forward for whoever it is. But newsflash - I am not over it just yet!!!

[Wicked Blue]

4. I am sick to my stomach at the ugliness of this

Money talks

[GreenWave]

6. It ain't over til it's over.

Repugs ran on the too old agenda, now they have the too old guy.

[Different Drummer]

48. Good point!

[anglesphere]

7. Hopefully you'll feel different

when a black woman is in the presidency to preside over Trump's arrest.

[Demsrule86]

20. sure, I have heard that she will not be offered the nomination...I hope that i not true.

[ramen]

78. Any links on that? I have seen others say that but have not seen any sources. nt

[Scrivener7]

9. You're wrong. I wanted Joe, but she's going to win.

[Bettie]

30. Do you think the crypto bos and tech bros

will allow a woman on the ticket at all?

[TiredGenXFemme]

74. If they have an ounce of brains, they will.

The economy would collapse under Donald Trump with the backwards, isolationist policies he wants to put in place. I think for most of them, their love for the green $$ outweighs their racism and misogyny.

[haele]

85. Most Crypto and Tech Bros are Libertarian.

They don't want democracy, because the takers suck off the makers, dontchaknow.
The Heritage Foundation wants the freedom for Landed Gentry and other property owners to do what they will with what they "make", and everyone else will just fall in line and die in a charity house or ditch if they can't keep up.
Tech Bros are all for that.
They also like the idea of Sci-Fi Dystopia, because it's big money guys against big money guys with cool technology. Ego-boos for their fossilized inner 13 year old. The world is all about them, or making more money, with very few of them thinking about the greater world outside their wealth bubbles.

Haele

[MorbidButterflyTat]

11. I am SICK

It won't be "president" felon; it will be king felon.

Partying in Moscow tonight.

[beaglelover]

12. Disagree 100%

[BannonsLiver]

14. I'm gonna go ahead and vote anyway, but thanks.

[hlthe2b]

15. I get it. But we simply cannot let that happen. The malaise and anger we are feeling has to be put aside IMMEDIATELY

[Demsrule86]

23. Sure, People like us will put it aside but the rank and file...I don't know if they will. I may not be able to

vote in Ohio.

[we can do it]

50. Not happening, not sorry.

[bdamomma]

16. do you really think

we are going to lay down on this???? No fucking way, we need to support Democracy over Dictatorship period.

And that means we will support the Democratic ticket!!!

[SDANation]

17. You can be upset

But no way does it hand trump the presidency. Regardless of what everyone says here, there was significant concern among independents and democrats following the debate, perception is huge in politics, I.e Kennedy vs Nixon. Joes performance solidified concern regarding Joes age.

I think independents and undecideds are looking for anyone competent to vote for instead of Trump.

[MaryMagdaline]

34. Agree. We need to present a credible candidate.

[TnDem]

19. Not necessarily

I wouldn't count on anything right now...Let's see what they come up with as to a strategy.on this.

We might be pleasantly surprised.

[newdayneeded]

21. not a chance!

This is voting blue for whoever against Donny.

You want to be pissed off, read project 2025. There's your enemy!!

[Lancero]

22. The only people who'll hand him the office will be Bidenbros who refuse to vote as 'protest'.

[emulatorloo]

37. Nonsense, there will be no Biden-or-Busters. No Biden-to-Stein or RFK jr or Trump voters

Biden voters know the stakes and they are going to vote to defeat Trump.

[Lancero]

40. So, why all the fear that Biden not being nominated means we lose?

Any Democrat is as good as any other in this instance - But I can point out, topic after topic, about people proclaiming that we're going to lose. Because, somehow, Joe Biden is the only one who can draw in enough votes?

If you've got a better name for the group of people who proclaim that only Biden could ever hope to beat Trump, something that you feel would be more appropriate or accurate than Bidenbro or Biden or busters, then by all means. What it is?

[emulatorloo]

43. Prople are upset, they'll cool off.

I’m not going to waste time today discussing hypotheticals that arent going to happen.

Much better things to do w my Sunday afternoon.

Knock yourself out though.

[ms liberty]

61. Why so eager to come up with a derogatory name for a nonexistent segment of Democrats?

Yes, a lot of us believe that this is a disaster and it almost guarantees us a loss in November.
But I haven't seen people saying they wouldn't vote for Democrats in this election, so how's about you wait until there's a group of people saying those things before you start creating an out-group to ostracize?

[Lancero]

69. "It almost guarantees us a loss in November"

...Your own comment proves my point.

If these people did not exist, in any way, shape, or form... Then why do you think that Joe Biden stepping down "almost guarantees us a loss in November"?

[ms liberty]

77. That has been discussed ad nauseum on this site over the last three weeks

If you'd like to know why, read the multitude of posts about it. You can't make people feel like their vote doesn't count, you can't use backroom politics to change things after the voters have spoken without ending up with less voters. People feel demoralized, disregarded, and their voices ignored in favor of the wealthy and powerful. This is how you shrink your base, not grow it.
Those of us who are committed will vote because we know what the choices are. But apparently, the wealthy, powerful and connected have different rules, and if they don't like the choice, they just change it.
And that's why some people are definitely going to stay at home. They've seen that movie before, day after day in their real lives. It's not Democrats, Independents, Bidenbros or Berniebros. It's people who wash their hands of the whole process because "it's dirty" or "they're all crooks " or "they don't care what we think" and they see this as the evidence of that. It's called voter apathy, not somebodybros.

[Lancero]

86. We've been discussing this group of people over the last three weeks?

...Whatever happened to them being a "non-existent segment"?

You want to claim that the group of people I'm referring to doesn't exist, while simultaneously claiming that DU has been discussing their existence - or at least the potential existence of - for almost a month now?

Whatever.

You know why I recycled that name? Because of the shared ideology. They felt that their votes didn't count. They felt that they were screwed over by shady backroom deals. They believed that wealthy and powerful donors wanted to pick the nominee.

And, of course - "And that's why some people are definitely going to stay at home."

They did that too.

[RandomNumbers]

84. Not true: "Any Democrat is as good as any other in this instance"

Sorry, your statement isn't true.

It can be argued whether Harris or any other specific Dem would be better or worse than Biden.

For those on this board, 98% or better of us are "Democrat or bust", at least when we vote.

But to win the election requires appealing to a lot of other voters.

I'll keep my opinion to myself, in this moment at least, but it is NOT a foregone conclusion that just ANY Democrat can step in for Biden.

[Lancero]

87. With polling data sure. But large swaths of people here debate just how valid that polling data is too.

The only evidence that would show how better or worse any Democrat can do over another is also evidence that most here would consider inaccurate at best.

It's why voting blue no matter who is so important. It's why we made it our slogan in 2020. Because we knew the risks, we knew the alternative. Sadly, at least given the sheer amount of topics alleging that we've somehow already lost, many here have forgotten those risks.

[ecstatic]

42. yikes. Too soon

I don't think they'll turn into bros. At least, I hope not!

I think they should have the rest of tonight to mourn and adjust to the news.

Tomorrow, we all need to get to work!!!

[bdamomma]

57. Read Project 2025

that will change your outlook quickly.

[Lancero]

58. And? I know the risks, it's why I'm voting blue no matter who.

Sadly, as this topic shows, their are people who think that we have to run Joe Biden to have any hope of winning.

I don't need my outlook changed. The Bidenbros do.

[bdamomma]

64. Who are

the Bidenbros?? Just asking???

[Azathoth]

24. Latest Michigan poll: Trump beating Biden by 7 points

Yeah, this was definitely the "elites" conspiring to force out the "working class man of the people" who has been a continuous Washington insider since he was 30 years old (that's 51 years in the most elite corners of Washington for those counting).

[emulatorloo]

35. Right, the most pro-union president we've had in ages is an evil elite. /s

Yeah, this was definitely the "elites" conspiring to force out the "working class man of the people" who has been a continuous Washington insider since he was 30 years old (that's 51 years in the most elite corners of Washington for those counting).

Nice spin, Azathoth /s.

[emulatorloo]

45. Sorry your primary choice lost in 2020. That's no excuse to falsely shit on Biden, especially today.

[Midwestern Democrat]

65. I don't know what our chances of beating Trump are now, but I do know our chances with Biden were ZERO.

Just the massive increase in the campaign energy level alone ought to help.

[AkFemDem]

26. Nah, I'm gonna congratulate President Harris

[samnsara]

28. im not getting that vibe so to speak...all of us who love and support Joe have been

given permission to exhale. Joe gave us that permission. Of course we are all going to vote Blue and for the first time in months and months i really feel we are going to win.

[AleksS]

31. Yup. I'll vote for whoever is the D on the ticket,

But as soon as the election season is over, it is open season on the f**ks who drove him out.

And of course, I'm sure God-Emperor Trump will come after them anyway too. There's a reason he tells that snake/woman story all of the damn time. He's the snake. (Every accusation is a confession.) These people decided to help Trump, towed (toe-ed?) the republican line and drove Biden out, to help usher Trump in. Do they really think they aren't on his "enemy" list though? That's not getting them off of it. They'll be in the camps alongside the rest of us.

[MineralMan]

33. Defeatism. Get over it. Move on.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

36. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[emulatorloo]

38. Blue no matter who. We're gonna beat Trump.

[VBNMW]

39. Defeatism

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!

That's all it will take. It's a 34 count convicted felon who is looking to end democracy.

VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!< Why aren't we seeing this message around here any more?

[Blue Full Moon]

44. Agree

[edisdead]

46. I hope Bisen outlives everyone of the fuckers that pushed him out

[bdamomma]

47. Just Stop.

We are uniting for the Democratic ticket Period.

Stop with the crazy talk, don't we get enough from TSF.

[edisdead]

52. What ticket is that?

There is no plan that they have shared with us. My vote is gone. And there have been no reassurances at all.

It is what it is. A complete shitshow. Until it isn’t a shitshow that's what we have.

We do not have time to waste so by this evening there had better be some reassurances from party leaders.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

79. Good question.

Who are we expected to support now?

I am not over it.

[still-prayin4rain]

49. No they didn't! I think President Harris and President Kelly both have a nice ring to them. nt

[liberal N proud]

51. With toxic attitudes like this?

[Freethinker65]

53. It will depend on what, if any, policy proposals Democrats had to give up along with Biden to get mega donor campaign $$

[StarryNite]

54. I think a big tell was that those who backstabbed and

took part in the oust have offered no plan for once their coup succeeded. Nothing. They just wanted him gone...period.

[LizBeth]

55. BS. This situation is unique. I was not calling for it but the more I sit with it,

The more confident and comfortable I am with this move.

[Raftergirl]

56. My 95 year old mom just donated to Kamala.

Joe dropping out is going to reenergize the D’s. And the big donors are now going to open up their pocketbooks.

I’m as big a Joe supporter as anyone, but decision has been made and everyone needs to pull up their big boy and girl pants and support whoever is on the ticket. And even though I am a big Joe supporter, I have pretty much sequestered myself from all the news. It was just too depressing and stressful for my health and so I deliberately made the decision to disengage. But I’m very excited now and I think I’m not alone in feeling this way.

H and I will both be donating now - we have been holding out.

[2 Meow Momma]

59. Be mad today. Get to work tomorrow. nt

[LudwigPastorius]

60. Nope.

Joe has a spine. He could have defied those calling for him to drop out and soldiered on if he thought that was the right thing to do. Here's the crux: He didn't.

He knows more about the mood of the voters, what the job requires, and his own personal health than any one, and he decided his own political fate.

I respect his decision.

[Phoenix61]

66. Me too!

He also knows a whole lot more about what’s going on behind the scenes. IMHO, he was waiting to get confirmed endorsements for Kamala.

[Happy Hoosier]

63. Delete this shit.

I understand the anger. But now is not the time for histrionics. We need to solidify behind a candidate and fight!!!

[EdmondDantes]

67. I still have faith

Trump's a moron, anyone with half a brain can beat him. Why are we suddenly doubting again?

The only reason I can see someone despairing is if that person really think the rethugs have a better candidate. Who thinks that?

[Buckeyeblue]

68. I don't think so. Their only issue--Biden's age--is gone

Now what do they run on? Cutting SSI? A national ban on abortion? Banning birth control? Eliminating no fault divorce? Giving Putin free reign in Europe?

[Sogo]

70. Nonsense.

It may take a day or two, but we will re-group, and we have an extraordinary candidate in Kamala Harris.


Shake it off, shake it off, shake it off....

[kentuck]

71. Disagree.

Joe's decision will energize the Party.

[TiredGenXFemme]

72. Strong disagree!

I have many Gen Z folks in my life (kids, students, my patients). They felt completely unheard and unseen with two 80ish men running. They felt unheard and less motivated. This is going to motivate them. The torch needs to be passed. He should have announced he wouldn't run a year ago. I would have voted for Biden, you would have voted for Biden. Most of us here would have, but that wasn't enough to win this election and to think otherwise is out of touch with every voter under the age of 35. We need their votes to win! We need a new generation in charge.

[RussBLib]

73. Doom! Gloom! All is lost!

...not.

How does that go....when life hands you lemons.....??

We can STILL beat Trump.

[honest.abe]

81. Nonsense

I predict a Harris / [some VP] landslide.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

83. It was not the Elites, it was the everyday Dem Voter and Father Time.

Something changed in Biden's abilities and Dem voters saw that. This is different than your historical comparisons.
The vast majority of Dem voters wanted Biden to step down.