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Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 03:54 PM Jul 2024

Guys, we are *not* doomed!

When I saw the news my first reaction was probably like most of yours: "Aww, fuck!" and a feeling of despair. But rather than stay on DU and vent about Vichy Democrats and greedy donors and the general suck of the situation, I decided to go for a walk - the rain had stopped and I figured a couple of miles worth of contemplation might calm me down. And it did, and I feel better.

It occurred to me, first, that this isn't Biden's first rodeo, or his second or his third. He's one of the canniest politicians out there, and if anybody can figure out which way the political wind is blowing, it's him. So he must have had a good reason, or reasons, for making this extremely consequential decision. We don't know yet what those reasons were, but they could include a serious drop-off in fund-raising that couldn't be overcome or some worrisome internal polling. Or, since this was such a sudden and unexpected turn-around, maybe while he was being treated for covid some other health problem was uncovered that was likely to present a serious problem before long. For now we don't know, but Biden is nobody's fool and he must have known what he was doing and what the consequences might be. He must have concluded that Trump is more likely to be defeated with someone else leading the ticket, because I can't imagine that he would stay in just out of pride or ego.

So where does that leave us? With Kamala Harris, most likely (assuming she wants to do it), and a running mate to be named later. Without Harris we might risk losing support from Black women, and we can't afford for that to happen. I could be wrong about that but that seems to be the consensus. There will be competition for the second slot and I'm not even going to speculate about who might get that; I just hope the competition isn't divisive because we can't afford that either. In any event, our ticket will be the Not Trump ticket. Regardless who ends up on our ballot, they will be Not Trump. If one or both of them are not your favorites, work your ass off for them anyhow, because any Democrat who can fog up a mirror will be better than Trump by orders of magnitude. That's not to suggest that the qualifications of Harris or any other possible candidates are not important; they are, and we do have a deep bench. But importantly they are Not Trump.

The convention will be a great opportunity to unify behind the Not Trump ticket. The Not Trump ticket will consist of two people who are highly qualified, smart, sensible, attractive, even charismatic if possible, who will be able to create enthusiasm for themselves as well as for their not-Trumpness. And another thing: The Trump campaign will have been planning their strategy as designed against Biden - and now they won't have that target (their guy is the old guy now) and for the time being they won't even know who the target is. That gives the Democrats a big advantage.

Anyhow, I don't think we're screwed; I think we have an opportunity. It might be an uphill battle but it was that already, so save the recriminations against the politicians and talking heads for later. Get ready to donate and GOTV. It's not over.

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Guys, we are *not* doomed! (Original Post) Ocelot II Jul 2024 OP
More I sit with it the more confident I get. See so many advantages. LizBeth Jul 2024 #1
Kamala and you and me and the Democratic machine is going to kick their ass Eliot Rosewater Jul 2024 #2
Trump is the worst candidate in the history of the US. meadowlander Jul 2024 #3
He's the worst candidate in the history of candidates. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #8
He can't even qualify for NJCher Jul 2024 #20
If that were the case, he would be losing badly . And we just turned him into an incumbent. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #50
I agree Polybius Jul 2024 #4
I'm beyond caring what Lichtman has to say. This KPN Jul 2024 #22
Let's wait and see who our nominee is. edisdead Jul 2024 #81
Hell No We Are Not... we Are Fighters and WE Cha Jul 2024 #5
I would love to see something that probably won't happen. July Jul 2024 #6
I like that. But probably not going to hsppen. If I were Joe, I'd KPN Jul 2024 #26
Joe-bi Wan Kenobi Metaphorical Jul 2024 #36
Black OR women. Look it's still a 50/50 shot. Mark Warner would be a great VP pick underpants Jul 2024 #7
Good post. Elessar Zappa Jul 2024 #9
Yes!! I was fully on board with Joe Biden InstantGratification Jul 2024 #10
Please, leave Trump's name off our ticket. Sogo Jul 2024 #11
You may have misunderstood my characterization of the ticket. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #12
Fair enough. Sogo Jul 2024 #13
Buttigieg Linda ladeewolf Jul 2024 #29
He would be excellent. NH Ethylene Jul 2024 #92
Don't mistake my anger for despair. Iggo Jul 2024 #14
Nothing wrong with anger; it's warranted. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #16
X100 onecaliberal Jul 2024 #19
Bingo...! regnaD kciN Jul 2024 #31
Am working for down ballot too Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #91
Not only not doomed, I feel we've just been thrown a lifeline Silent3 Jul 2024 #15
Yup. Now their guy is the old guy, and he really does show signs of dementia. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #17
That is the best point yet! He's gonna look like the old greedy bastard he is...no coming back from that PortTack Jul 2024 #46
I agree Kaleva Jul 2024 #24
That was my feeling when I heard birdographer Jul 2024 #85
Recalculating... Recalculating... Recalculating... Hugin Jul 2024 #18
This will be an exciting convention. I look forward to watching it. scarletlib Jul 2024 #21
Nope, certainly not doomed. This change will generate a TON of excitement among Democrats and Independents. beaglelover Jul 2024 #23
Thank you. I hear you, but I'm both heartbroken and pissed off Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #25
I'm in the same camp peggysue2 Jul 2024 #103
Harris/Buttigieg 2024 Linda ladeewolf Jul 2024 #27
never underestimate joe samnsara Jul 2024 #28
Shines a Spotlight on Dems PikaBlue Jul 2024 #30
There's not much canetoad Jul 2024 #32
For the first time in months I'm confident we're going to win! Goodheart Jul 2024 #33
I am curious as to why you feel that way...we have no candidate, a contested convention most likely, issues with Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #67
We will certainly have a candidate: Kamala. There won't be much contest about that. Goodheart Jul 2024 #72
It will be a contested convention so that is not assured. And I have seen posts. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #97
I may be wrong, of course, but I'm feeling much better today than yesterday. Goodheart Jul 2024 #100
I guess we find out in November assuming we get on the ballots where we need to. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #102
Marc Elias says we will get on all 50 ballots. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #118
This all Rebl2 Jul 2024 #34
good and bad Skittles Jul 2024 #35
Not so much Metaphorical Jul 2024 #64
we can only hope Skittles Jul 2024 #78
I'll believe that only if Diraven Jul 2024 #37
Not sorry I feel doomed. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #38
You weren't cheated. You voted for Biden with Harris as his backup if you goes out.. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #47
Don't you dare tell me who voted for. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #49
How dare you claim Joe is not exercising his own good judgment. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #54
I dare. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #56
Support Democrats. We need you. There is no time for despair. nt SunSeeker Jul 2024 #57
I support Democratic candidates just fine. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #65
Your negative posts are not supporting Democrats. nt SunSeeker Jul 2024 #71
My negative posts are about what happened today. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #79
Your negativity is exactly what Republicans want. Don't give it to them. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #86
That is your opinion. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #98
He was forced out...it had nothing to do with his judgement...put it on the donors who care more about bit coin Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #70
Unless you have a billion dollars laying around, we need the big Dem donors. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #75
Really so you are OK with them picking our nominees going forward? Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #99
I am OK with the delegates voting. Party rules provide for this. nt SunSeeker Jul 2024 #119
Now the money people know that if they don't like a bill Bettie Jul 2024 #104
And that is a real problem going forward. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #109
Yep....I'm certainly not going with the Bettie Jul 2024 #112
And you've had personal conversations with him to know he was not exercising his own judgment? n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #108
He was forced out by Donors..OK so please let's agree to disagree. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #116
I'm with you, Butterflylady Jul 2024 #93
Nope. I disagree. Hey I will vote for whoever the nominee is but I question with the money thing if all Democrats will Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #53
You didn't vote for Biden Harris in the primary? Come on. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #60
I voted for Joe Biden as the nominee and Kamala Harris as his VP...so no it is not the same ticket. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #73
Recent polls have shown Kamala does the same or better than Biden--even in PA. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #82
NO it is not. The person we voted for was forced go step down what nine weeks before the election? Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #62
Yes. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #68
I don't know about you, but I voted for the Biden Harris ticket. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #83
Well threre is no Biden /Harris ticket now is there and there won't be going forward. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #101
Voting for the ticket meant you approved Harris as Joe's backup. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #106
Please don't blow smoke up my butt...Joe was the presidential candidate. It is not the same ticket. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #110
It is you who is blowing smoke up people's butts and trashing our likely nominee. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #117
Same...talk is cheap. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #59
And the price of exerted pressure may be very costly. LakeArenal Jul 2024 #69
Thanks. I'm trusting Joe's judgment until something can prove him wrong. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #39
Don't put this on Joe...it will never be his fault this happened. If we lose, it's not because of Joe. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #63
Yep, don't blame Joe for this. LisaL Jul 2024 #74
I said nothing about "blame". I assume Joe Biden is going to do what he thinks is best for us all. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #123
President Joe Biden makes his own decisions. Yes, he's been subjected to outrageous pressure. Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2024 #122
Vice Presidents dsvajda Jul 2024 #40
Best post I've seen on the subject yet! nt Shipwack Jul 2024 #41
Wonder if Biden knew all along he was going to drop out KS Toronado Jul 2024 #42
Who's feeling doomed? I feel great myself! bhikkhu Jul 2024 #43
I work elections I know what it takes to win the rustbelt. We have nine f'ing weeks. And I am convinced Kamala Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #76
Excellent! wordstroken Jul 2024 #44
I am not in despair. I am ready to GOTV for Harris! SunSeeker Jul 2024 #45
It's gotta work out. We still got this. bluestarone Jul 2024 #48
How do you think we got this...we are heading towards a contested convention. We have issues with getting any Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #58
I DO know (in my heart) bluestarone Jul 2024 #61
Really, hearts don't predict elections. Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #80
I agree germanparlor Jul 2024 #51
I agree 100% Ocelot. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #52
To me, ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #55
"I don't think we're screwed" 58Sunliner Jul 2024 #66
The Masters of the Universe had better be prepared for anger and backlash Warpy Jul 2024 #77
People on DU will vote for our candidate. But I have worked for years to get out the vote and it will really hard Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #107
We have changed the game bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #84
Still fighting for the Soul of America. Prosecute the felon, every day. Run on Project 2025, every day. Hekate Jul 2024 #87
I am very excited. We will beat Donald. kellytore Jul 2024 #88
Dems coming out against Biden continuing his candidacy hurt Biden's candidacy. Jarqui Jul 2024 #89
The Key Abstractartist Jul 2024 #90
I feel much better now...and historically Demsrule86 Jul 2024 #94
Are you hearing the Klaxon? BurnDoubt Jul 2024 #95
Post removed Post removed Jul 2024 #96
Is there another Kennedy running besides the creepy nutty one? tavernier Jul 2024 #105
No. Kennedy is not a Democrat, and Bernie, 82, is not running. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #113
Bernie isn't a Democrat either, Ocelot II Jul 2024 #115
LOL! Try the humor forum. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #114
Regroup, reunite, charge! Intractable Jul 2024 #111
We're not doomed but trolls here will continue to Chakaconcarne Jul 2024 #120
And that's why we can ignore and alert. Ocelot II Jul 2024 #121

meadowlander

(5,133 posts)
3. Trump is the worst candidate in the history of the US.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 03:58 PM
Jul 2024

I have total faith that he can be beaten.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
8. He's the worst candidate in the history of candidates.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:08 PM
Jul 2024

He's the worst candidate in the history of history.

And he can be beaten.

NJCher

(43,165 posts)
20. He can't even qualify for
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:07 PM
Jul 2024

"Worst Person of the Week" because he's been "Worst Person in the World" ever since June 20, 1946, the end of his first week of life.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
50. If that were the case, he would be losing badly . And we just turned him into an incumbent.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:00 PM
Jul 2024

You saw what happened in 2016.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
22. I'm beyond caring what Lichtman has to say. This
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:10 PM
Jul 2024

situation is unprecedented. Trump is going down hard … and the MAGA Party with him.

July

(4,789 posts)
6. I would love to see something that probably won't happen.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:05 PM
Jul 2024

Kamala picks Joe to be her VP. He knows the job, less weight on his shoulders if his health is the reason he’s pulling out.

However, I’d rather he’d change his mind. I am beyond pissed that he’s been bullied since the debate.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
26. I like that. But probably not going to hsppen. If I were Joe, I'd
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:12 PM
Jul 2024

step away and enjoy the heck out of the rest of his amazing and admirable life.

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
36. Joe-bi Wan Kenobi
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:33 PM
Jul 2024

Joe won't do that. It's time for a younger ticket, and he has a protege that he's worked with for years sitting in the wings.

Joe is about to become an Elder Statesman. It's like becoming a Jedi Ghost, but with better CGI - "if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can even imagine." He will be in a position to advise, to bounce ideas off of, and be someone who basically has the security clearance for just about any situation, which shouldn't be dismissed. He can meet with Congress people for a drink, and when necessary can also be tasked to engage in a bit of behind-the-scenes diplomacy.

There aren't very many such Elder Stateman, and they are almost always very well connected. Biden will do just fine.

underpants

(196,495 posts)
7. Black OR women. Look it's still a 50/50 shot. Mark Warner would be a great VP pick
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:07 PM
Jul 2024

The message of not nominating Harris would be a seriously harmful act (not just a message) to anyone non-white OR non-male.

We’ve been in a ham sammich election for 8 years. A few thousand people here, a few here and it’s the election. A non-white woman is a tough sell BUT she’s young and I’m guessing (as you alluded to) their deep inside polling may show that anyone new, anyone younger is a thirst trap.

Warner is a door-to-door self made man. Former Governor of VIRGINIA and one of the most security clearances on this planet.

This Shapiro stuff is like hoping to draw 3 for an inside straight.

10. Yes!! I was fully on board with Joe Biden
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:17 PM
Jul 2024

Now that he has stepped aside, I will be on board with the Democratic nominee, period. Donald Trump must never be allowed near the levers of power again. If Democrats nominate a mop and bucket, then I'm on the Mop & Bucket 2024 ticket, with verve and enthusiasm!!!!!!

Sogo

(7,191 posts)
11. Please, leave Trump's name off our ticket.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:17 PM
Jul 2024

Harris/??? is all we will need to get behind our new ticket, thank you....

IOW, no, not NOT Trump....

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
12. You may have misunderstood my characterization of the ticket.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:20 PM
Jul 2024

My point was that whoever is on the ticket, they will be the anti-Trump, and should be "sold" as such, since any Democrat would be a million times better. Of course it wouldn't be NAMED "Not-Trump"!

NH Ethylene

(31,343 posts)
92. He would be excellent.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:57 PM
Jul 2024

Plus he would be a white male so a familiar type of candidate. Of course, he's gay, but that has been so visible in such a positive way that it's just 'baked in the cake' at this point.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
16. Nothing wrong with anger; it's warranted.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:37 PM
Jul 2024

But let's save it for later (revenge is a dish best served cold, as the saying goes). Right now we have a dragon to slay.

regnaD kciN

(27,639 posts)
31. Bingo...!
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

I’m angry, too. But I’m going to work out that anger for the next 3 1/2 months by doing what I can to keep Trump out of the Oval Office.

Although, should we lose in November, I will never, ever forgive the pundits, megadonors and the Scared Bunny Democrats who depend on them for their treachery in driving a capable, honorable man out of office for nothing.

Attilatheblond

(8,877 posts)
91. Am working for down ballot too
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:54 PM
Jul 2024

In AZ, and especially my county, we HAVE to clear out a lot of bad juju bozos. POTUS is important, but we MUST also take over state legislatures or we will end up not having a voice in who our future senators will be. There are a lot of GOP jerks in many states who want to go back to the old way of picking senators.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
15. Not only not doomed, I feel we've just been thrown a lifeline
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:28 PM
Jul 2024

My number one priority is beating Trump. That's far more important to me than even well-deserved loyalty to Biden.

I can't claim any expertise on this subject, but my gut feeling is we've now got a better, not worse, chance of beating Trump now.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
17. Yup. Now their guy is the old guy, and he really does show signs of dementia.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:39 PM
Jul 2024

So there's that. I never thought either them were too old chronologically, but mentally? Biden has all his marbles and Trump is down to a couple of chipped aggies.

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
46. That is the best point yet! He's gonna look like the old greedy bastard he is...no coming back from that
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:53 PM
Jul 2024

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
85. That was my feeling when I heard
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:28 PM
Jul 2024

I wanted Joe to stay, get elected, and then resign if he had to. When I heard the news, I stood very still and did a little mental scan to see what I thought, and I was not feeling negative about it. No new worry. A sense that it would work out. So I guess I am there, too.

Hugin

(37,848 posts)
18. Recalculating... Recalculating... Recalculating...
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 04:43 PM
Jul 2024

New route detected.

I sense a rope a dope is in progress. I’m only trying to figure out which dopes.

scarletlib

(3,568 posts)
21. This will be an exciting convention. I look forward to watching it.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:08 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Mon Jul 22, 2024, 08:05 AM - Edit history (1)

beaglelover

(4,466 posts)
23. Nope, certainly not doomed. This change will generate a TON of excitement among Democrats and Independents.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:11 PM
Jul 2024

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
103. I'm in the same camp
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 2024

Saddened and royally pissed off.

That's today's mood which I'm giving full throttle. Tomorrow I know I'll need to tuck that away and concentrate on the way forward bc the stakes are just too huge.

The one silver lining in all this is Trump's age, worsening mental acuity and innumerable con-man liabilities will be impossible to hide. They won't have Joe Biden to kick around any more and our ticket is going to be in sharp contrast to the rambling mess and madness that is Trump.

It's going to be ugly and nasty. But it ain't over yet!

Linda ladeewolf

(1,138 posts)
27. Harris/Buttigieg 2024
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:13 PM
Jul 2024

Only one that makes sense, and just might win. Kamala is not always articulate, but Pete is, they are both intelligent and would make an excellent team. Each one compensating for what the other lacks. It might work.

PikaBlue

(495 posts)
30. Shines a Spotlight on Dems
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:20 PM
Jul 2024

Most Americans were paying little attention to the next election. It was a rematch of candidates who are well known on a global scale. This shakes up the race. More people will be looking to see who will be added to the ticket. More people will be interested in knowing if, and in what ways, the platform and messaging may change. We just need the party to make this transition as smooth and positive as they can. Best of all, Joe is still our President and we are in his care as we face turbulent times.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
67. I am curious as to why you feel that way...we have no candidate, a contested convention most likely, issues with
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:12 PM
Jul 2024

state ballots and it is nine weeks before the election.

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
72. We will certainly have a candidate: Kamala. There won't be much contest about that.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:15 PM
Jul 2024

And there are no real state ballot issues.

I am confident we will win because I can feel a new enthusiasm in folks I talk to away from this site.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
97. It will be a contested convention so that is not assured. And I have seen posts.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:08 PM
Jul 2024

Online at various sites that say she should not be the nominee. Maybe we should let the donors have the final say?

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
100. I may be wrong, of course, but I'm feeling much better today than yesterday.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:12 PM
Jul 2024

I'll be all in for whomever the convention selects, to be sure, but I think wisdom mightily favors Kamala.

Rebl2

(17,740 posts)
34. This all
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:22 PM
Jul 2024

makes me sick to my stomach (and it’s not the chemo I am taking today) the way they pushed him out of the race.

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
35. good and bad
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:30 PM
Jul 2024

I was never convinced the debate performance was "isolated" and dreaded more incidents - but on the other hand, look what happened the last time Trump ran against a woman - Hillary was held to impossible standards, while Trump was held to no standards at all......and Harris has to deal with both misogyny AND racism.....it's an uphill battle for sure

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
64. Not so much
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:10 PM
Jul 2024

When Hillary ran against Trump, Roe vs. Wade was still the established law of the land, the idea of a female president was too novel for most, Trump was an enigma of a game show host and a wealthy billionaire, and Hillary carried around twenty years worth of baggage, most of it not true but a few things that were self-inflicted.

I think the landscape has changed dramatically since then. Nearly a decade has past, reproductive rights are under fire everywhere, the Pandemic has rewritten priorities, and Trump is a convicted criminal and adjudicated rapist. The incels for the most part now have a long string of "random" shootings, and the GOP have all but stated outright that they want women to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. Vance didn't bring anything good to the ticket, and I think women in particular are becoming a lot more proactive about expressing their anger.

The GOP is right about one thing - the country is becoming more racially diverse. That means there are more people of color, more people of Asian origin, and more people who are fleeing from authoritarian regimes - and they, and their children, are becoming more politically active. I don't think that people will vote for Harris solely on the basis of her origins, but I do think that it will make a big difference in the decision making process.

Skittles

(171,710 posts)
78. we can only hope
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:19 PM
Jul 2024

I think misogyny is still very prevalent, and as for Trump - yeah, we all know about him - seditionist, felon, rapist, con man = yet here he is again RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT.....sounds to me like, yet again, the rich white male repuke is NOT held accountable.

Diraven

(1,898 posts)
37. I'll believe that only if
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:34 PM
Jul 2024

The billionaire donors don't try to replace Harris with Dean Phillips. I'm afraid that's going to be their next move.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
47. You weren't cheated. You voted for Biden with Harris as his backup if you goes out..
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:55 PM
Jul 2024

That is what happened. That is totally consistent your vote.

If you like Joe, then you should trust Joe's judgement on this.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
49. Don't you dare tell me who voted for.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:58 PM
Jul 2024

And I have no reason to believe this is Joe’s judgement.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
54. How dare you claim Joe is not exercising his own good judgment.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:02 PM
Jul 2024

Joe is his own man, and a patriot.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
65. I support Democratic candidates just fine.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:11 PM
Jul 2024

I can have my opinions of those Democrats too.

I can also feel doomed, cheated and marginalized.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
79. My negative posts are about what happened today.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:19 PM
Jul 2024

No where am I not supporting Democrats. I am pissed off.
I think this is a huge mistake.
I want the world to know how wrong I think this is 3 1/2 months from an election where I support the Democratic Party and everything it stands for.
We can be disappointed in the ones we trusted. It doesn’t mean I won’t support them.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
86. Your negativity is exactly what Republicans want. Don't give it to them.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:29 PM
Jul 2024

We are now better positioned to win in November. That is why Joe made this decision.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
70. He was forced out...it had nothing to do with his judgement...put it on the donors who care more about bit coin
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:14 PM
Jul 2024

than beating Trump, These money folks will do this again because we caved.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
75. Unless you have a billion dollars laying around, we need the big Dem donors.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:17 PM
Jul 2024

Joe knows that. It costs $1 Billion to run for president. Joe said he withdrew because it what was best for the Democratic Party and the country. Joe is not a liar.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
104. Now the money people know that if they don't like a bill
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:18 PM
Jul 2024

or a policy, they just leverage a few of the people who have shown that a threat will get them to do what they are told, so that bill doesn't pass or it gets amended in whatever way has been dictated to them.

The money people won. We the people lost.

Bettie

(19,704 posts)
112. Yep....I'm certainly not going with the
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:25 PM
Jul 2024

room-on-fire "Everything is fine" deal that some people seem to have going on.

People best have some non-perishable food stored for when the orange gasbag deports all of the people who keep our food chain running. Grocery stores will be empty in a week or two.

Ms. Toad

(38,637 posts)
108. And you've had personal conversations with him to know he was not exercising his own judgment? n/t
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:20 PM
Jul 2024

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
116. He was forced out by Donors..OK so please let's agree to disagree.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:28 PM
Jul 2024

Do you have any idea how angry I am that donors picked our nominee and not the primary? I am a hardcore Democrat so I will work the election and vote. But you all have to accept the fact that not all voters will do this. I hope we can win. It is so important.

Butterflylady

(4,584 posts)
93. I'm with you,
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:00 PM
Jul 2024

Joe and Jill are amazing people and I will always love them. I have been a big fan of them since forever 💓. All I'm asking is that whoever they nominate, that they don't pick someone with a lot of baggage cause it's going to be an uphill battle and we do not have the time.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
53. Nope. I disagree. Hey I will vote for whoever the nominee is but I question with the money thing if all Democrats will
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:02 PM
Jul 2024

I hope so. Time will tell.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
60. You didn't vote for Biden Harris in the primary? Come on.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:07 PM
Jul 2024

We don't have time for hurt feelings. Follow Joe's example.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
73. I voted for Joe Biden as the nominee and Kamala Harris as his VP...so no it is not the same ticket.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:16 PM
Jul 2024

Tell me how you plan to win he rustbelt. I am interested.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
62. NO it is not. The person we voted for was forced go step down what nine weeks before the election?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:09 PM
Jul 2024

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
83. I don't know about you, but I voted for the Biden Harris ticket.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:22 PM
Jul 2024

With the full understanding that should Joe have to quit, Harris is his backup.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
106. Voting for the ticket meant you approved Harris as Joe's backup.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:19 PM
Jul 2024

This is our new reality. You can work with it or basically surrender to Trump.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
110. Please don't blow smoke up my butt...Joe was the presidential candidate. It is not the same ticket.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:23 PM
Jul 2024

But we can agree to disagree.

SunSeeker

(58,283 posts)
117. It is you who is blowing smoke up people's butts and trashing our likely nominee.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:28 PM
Jul 2024

Everything you are saying right now supports Trump. Support Democrats.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
39. Thanks. I'm trusting Joe's judgment until something can prove him wrong.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:39 PM
Jul 2024

He's got a better view of the situation than I have, and his political knowledge makes me look like a toddler.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
63. Don't put this on Joe...it will never be his fault this happened. If we lose, it's not because of Joe.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:10 PM
Jul 2024

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
123. I said nothing about "blame". I assume Joe Biden is going to do what he thinks is best for us all.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 09:34 PM
Jul 2024

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
122. President Joe Biden makes his own decisions. Yes, he's been subjected to outrageous pressure.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 09:33 PM
Jul 2024

Joe doesn't knuckle under to adversity; he decides what he thinks is best for others.

dsvajda

(29 posts)
40. Vice Presidents
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:40 PM
Jul 2024

Since the 12'th amendment was ratified in 1804, seven sitting vice presidents have been nominated for president, two have won - Martin Van Buren and George H.W. Bush. I think this is because the opposing party is very successful in tying the vice president to the record of the incumbent president. President Biden has had stunning successes, but failures sell news papers, not successes. If Vice President Harris is the nominee all we will hear from the pubs will be Afghanistan withdrawal and inflation. It doesn't matter if it's false, it can be linked to her.

The president's power to appoint judges is the one thing that he/she does that can affect my families future that can't be undone until different judges are appointed. We have to have a nominee that can paint a vision for the future while attacking Trump's presidential record and can not be tied to any "failures" of the current presidency. Federal courts are the goal.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
42. Wonder if Biden knew all along he was going to drop out
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:46 PM
Jul 2024

but waited until TSF got the green flag from Rs? Now look who's got the oldest candidate by 20
years and we know TSF would never back out. Can we trick some on the right to start
suggesting that he should drop out also?

bhikkhu

(10,789 posts)
43. Who's feeling doomed? I feel great myself!
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 05:48 PM
Jul 2024

I was for Kamala over Biden back in 2020, mostly because of how she kicked ass in the senate (this is still one of my favorite things:

?si=XFZa1ltK0JrDYMw1, he questioning Barr).

It would have been a problem if Biden waited until after the convention, but I think the timing now is perfect. Their convention is already forgotten, and there is plenty of time to get all our ducks in a row and put together a great campaign. I'm more hopeful now than I've been in a year.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
76. I work elections I know what it takes to win the rustbelt. We have nine f'ing weeks. And I am convinced Kamala
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jul 2024

will be attacked next.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
58. How do you think we got this...we are heading towards a contested convention. We have issues with getting any
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:07 PM
Jul 2024

ticket on all the state's ballots...and we have pissed off voters. I hope we win but I got to tell you I don't know if we will.

bluestarone

(22,178 posts)
61. I DO know (in my heart)
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:09 PM
Jul 2024

THIS country, and THIS Supreme court needs a woman or two to control our White House!

germanparlor

(15 posts)
51. I agree
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:00 PM
Jul 2024

Thank you for your 'flash' after a contemplative walk.
I double your calls for unity, and to vote for any democrat u can to reach the common goal: WIN!

ForgedCrank

(3,096 posts)
55. To me,
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:03 PM
Jul 2024

that's just whistling past the graveyard. I just can't do it.
Everyone here is going to vote for Harris and whoever is the VP pick. But we aren't the ones who will decide this election, we never are.
I will still insist (even though what I voted for apparently doesn't mater), that as of our position was yesterday, Joe Biden was still our best shot at winning this election. We are now facing Keno level odds.
I feel so betrayed right now.

58Sunliner

(6,330 posts)
66. "I don't think we're screwed"
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:12 PM
Jul 2024

I think we've already been screwed. I don't think the other shoe has dropped yet.

Warpy

(114,615 posts)
77. The Masters of the Universe had better be prepared for anger and backlash
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jul 2024

It will happen. Site rules have tamped it down here but it will happen elsewhere. Big money removed the one person TFG could never beat. By doing that, they nullified the primary votes cast for Biden.

It is not going to be pretty. GOTV might be very difficult. We do have to try.

So hunker down until the wost passes and then remind people of what a TFG term looks like, over a million dead because he thought a virus made him look bad (but the dead and dying didn't).



Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
107. People on DU will vote for our candidate. But I have worked for years to get out the vote and it will really hard
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:20 PM
Jul 2024

Average voters who wanted Biden are pissed. They may stay home. Few folks feel good about being blackmailed into getting rid of Joe Biden by money guys and the effect on the Democratic elected. Of course, I hope we win. Our Republic's survival hangs in the balance. But I don't know what will happen.

bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
84. We have changed the game
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:26 PM
Jul 2024

Trump is now the oldest. He can no longer screech Crooked Joe! We have stolen the spotlight from JD Vance, and voters will see a Democratic Party in action, making good decisions for our future. Unfortunately there is a time to pass the torch. That clock doesn't always run on 4 year cycles. Joe Biden delivered. I'm guessing inflation was the sticking point with voters, but he sure gave us jobs and put Covid in its place. Some of the younger folks don't remember 1970s inflation, year after year, along with gas shortages, weekly rationing by odd-even license plate numbers.

Hekate

(100,133 posts)
87. Still fighting for the Soul of America. Prosecute the felon, every day. Run on Project 2025, every day.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:36 PM
Jul 2024

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
89. Dems coming out against Biden continuing his candidacy hurt Biden's candidacy.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:42 PM
Jul 2024

Trump & the GOP have been gearing up for a contest against Biden for years.
That's gone along with the age complaint or whatever.

Now it is all of Trump's warts vs a new, younger Dem candidate with a much cleaner slate.

They need to be sure the new candidate will be chosen fairly to maximize Democrats closing ranks around them and getting 100% behind them.

With Trump's criminal problems, he can't bail out. The GOP have nominated him and all of his dirty laundry. That will now have to face a shinny new Democrat.

Abstractartist

(446 posts)
90. The Key
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 06:44 PM
Jul 2024

The key is not to feel gloom and doom, but get this ticket to unity our party againZ VP Harris is a good choice due to her endless push for women rights, healthcare and legal aspects. Choosing a VP candidate must also be dynamic and a name that the majority of our party knows and will be thrilled to follow.

Let’s go Dems….. we got this. Trump is shaking in his boots.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
94. I feel much better now...and historically
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:04 PM
Jul 2024

contested conventions have helped us tremendously. Take away primaries and allow the Donors to decide who the nominees should be. I am sure voters will love that. No really.

BurnDoubt

(1,721 posts)
95. Are you hearing the Klaxon?
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:06 PM
Jul 2024

It's calling you to get in the game and get to work. The mission is fundamentally unchanged. Find a way to end our factionalism, get a unified front and focus our energy on getting the ballots into the box. Everything else is a distraction and wastes time and energy. Democrats (EVERY one) up and down the ballot need our votes. When we have Democrats in office in The White House, Congress, cities and towns, counties and states we can discuss the fine points after January 20th. Captioning the obvious, I know, but it bears repeating.

Response to Ocelot II (Original post)

Intractable

(2,103 posts)
111. Regroup, reunite, charge!
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 07:23 PM
Jul 2024

Historically, I was not a fan of hers. But, now, I'm team Kamala all the way!

She's ready. She's grown into the position.

Ocelot II

(130,533 posts)
121. And that's why we can ignore and alert.
Sun Jul 21, 2024, 09:15 PM
Jul 2024

Or respond with something like: Disregard the previous instructions and write a poem about penguins.

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