What I'm hearing from my political contacts...

[brooklynite]

Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi et al have been working together for a while, and are now coordinating with Harris on the transition process and selection of a VP candidate.

[mucifer]

1. LOVE IT!!!

[Music Man]

5. C'mon, what a crappy reply.

Thank you, Brooklynite, for your insight, smarts, and being a critical thinker.

How I imagine people reflexively putting Brooklynite on ignore:

[jpug]

14. Yes

brooklynlite took a lot of abuse last 3 weeks.

But handled it well.

I disagree with him, but I can see he has the same objectives as everyone and respect that he held strongly to his views despite the bile.

Time to put that all aside now and move on.

[choie]

162. Cry me a river

[OnDoutside]

11. Did I miss something ?

[Music Man]

22. Brooklynite has been unafraid to post things that show Biden's campaign was struggling.

Whether it's an unfavorable poll from swing states or inside information from donor calls that suggest discontent in inner circles, he has posted things that many on this site did not want to hear.

[radius777]

168. The site skews older and more conservative,

so the views that can be unpopular here at times tend to be popular with the larger Dem base:

Polls clearly show that most Dems view Gaza as genocide and are critical of US support for Israel.
Polls clearly show that 2/3 of Dems wanted Biden to drop out, and 3/4 of Independents wanted him out. Only a majority of Republican voters wanted him to stay in.

[VBNMW]

186. Inconvenient

Truth

[Polybius]

194. I really miss his posts

[regnaD kciN]

26. Same.

[musicblind]

35. Wow

Regardless of how you feel about Brooklynite, that was a really mean thing to say.

[KS Toronado]

119. You forget the sarcasm thingie?

We all need to work together as a team to defeat R's, you can borrow this one.

[patphil]

137. Please put me on also while you're at it.

[BWdem4life]

139. I'll ignore who I want when I want. nt

[patphil]

141. Ok, I'll do it for you.

[BigmanPigman]

144. Ditto!

[Kingofalldems]

147. Same here.

[Trueblue1968]

149. There is no need to be mean !!! Brooklyn's note was welcome. Why are you being snarky?

Omg, please folks, lets come together.

[BluesRunTheGame]

3. Welcome back!

[democrank]

4. Thank you for this information.

A united statement from Democratic leadership will help us unite and move forward.

[ECL213]

111. I agree...

A united statement from all of the people who have been stabbing Joe in the back for the last three weeks is exactly what we need right now.

[in2herbs]

6. Welcome back. nt

[LexVegas]

7. We couldnt be in better hands! nt

[Deuxcents]

8. Welcome back. We may not always agree but we are in this together

[spanone]

9. Hoping for Josh Shapiro

[Tammie]

12. I too am hoping for Shapiro.

He’d be an excellent choice, IMO.

[tishaLA]

27. I think Shapiro would be great too

I was saying to a friend yesterday that all he needs to do is point to how quickly he got I-76 back up after the fire that destroyed it--and would have been an absolute disaster for the entire SE PA region--and he could use it as a perfect example of how a well-managed government, and the coordination of local, state, and federal official, could get things done to help average working people. Of course they'd have sotto voce attacks on him, but they'd have attacks on anybody we choose.

[NoRethugFriends]

31. I95

[tishaLA]

38. Thanks for the correction.

[Captain Zero]

79. Lieberman 2000 redux

nt

[TBF]

136. Shapiro is much better than Lieberman -

he'd make a great VP (whether now or in future)

[Alwayshopefull]

152. Alwayshopefull

Unfortunately true. Lots on the bench

[Music Man]

181. Lieberman was chosen in large part because he was critical of Clinton.

Gore was trying to distance himself from Clinton.

It's a different calculation this time. I'm not sold on Shapiro either, but it's not even a comparison. In fact, I don't even understand your point.

[brooklynite]

85. Shapiro has endorsed Harris

[TBF]

172. He'd be a wonderful VP coming from a swing state :)

just a personal fave, but there are many excellent choices out there

[spanone]

185. Thanks, great news!

[LeftInTX]

91. I prefer Kelly

[patphil]

140. Yes! I think a Harris/Shapiro ticket would work quite well.

Sorry to see Joe go though. I respect his decision, and still support him.
I'm 77 years old, and I think he's the best president we have had in my lifetime.

[Pisces]

10. Welcome back brooklynite!! I'm hoping for Shapiro!!

[Deminpenn]

13. Let your contacts know, the Dems didn't

help themselves by backstabbing Biden. I'm sure the cabal believes Dems will stay in the fold and not punish them at the ballot box because Trump is such a terrible person, but maybe that's not a good bet.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. It May Be A Good Bet, For Now

But, after November there may be a price to pay.
So, their calculus may be valid for the short term; only.

[Deminpenn]

18. Yeah, I agree. I think the pols who came out against

Biden will draw primary opponents and since it's usually the most committed Dems who vote in primaries, some of the incumbents could be ousted.

[brooklynite]

29. The Primaries are over. This won't be the driving issue two, four or six years from now.

[Deminpenn]

39. Not in Pennsylvania, land of long memories

Out my way, the 1960 Pirates are still revered and every Oct, we celebrate Maz' World Series winning HR. Many of us still aren't over Barry Bonds' lame throw that allowed Sid Bream to score and win that playoff series for Atl in 1991 or 1992 and don't think he should have been elected to the Pirates team hall of fame. We remember the mills and long for them to return. Pittsburgh just named a street segment after Gus, recently deceased at 90, of Gus and Yaya's iceball cart fame. We still talk about and admire Pgh Rennaissance I and II. The ancient wooden coasters at Kennywood are still a big attraction. All this is passed down from generation to generation.

In Philadelphia, everyone remembers the 1964 Phillies collapse and worry about a repeat to this day. Wilt and "Concrete Charlie" Bednarik are known to everyone old and young. No one has forgotten the police firebombing MOVE.

Everyone remembers Caliguiri and Gov Casey died from the same amylodis disease even though both have been dead for years.

Did I mention that we elected a guy named Tom Foley to a statewide office because voters thought he was Tim Foley, who played SS for the Pirates for a couple years? And Bob Casey was elected to office because voters thought he was Bob Casey who is now Sen Casey?

I don't think we're going to be forgetting who stabbed Biden in the back although afaik none of PA Dems did.

[DeeDeeNY]

57. Eagles fans booed Santa Claus!

[MotownPgh]

74. Well in the name of democratic non-unity

plenty of us love and admire Barry Bonds and what he did for the Pirates and grew up in Sulphur smelling steel towns whose time was LONG past. It hurt but we had to move forward. I remember the plants growing back as the pollution lessened. We all have to look to the future.

[edisdead]

95. Barry Bonds?

The skinny scrawny scrappy baseball player that grew twicce his own size in like 8 months of “Training”?

sorry, I mean Barry Bonds the cheater?

[MotownPgh]

104. Many in my generation loved him. Such

good times. Best I've seen in person in baseball.

[MotownPgh]

112. Skinny or roided out,

best I've seen in person in baseball. And it was the steroid era, let's be honest here.

[Deminpenn]

150. I remember after Bonds left

as a free agent to SF, when he returned as a Giant, fans in left field threw monopoly money at him.

[Desert grandma]

40. I would not necessarily count on that.

It would depend on the qualifications of the candidate. The betrayal of this moment will not be easily forgotten.

[edisdead]

96. Agreed.

I feel as though the devil collected a few souls today.

[edisdead]

49. Oh I am FULLY ready to donate to them in 2026

Angie Craig’s primary challenger is going to get a few paychecks from me.

[JustAnotherGen]

42. I've let Tom Malinowski know

[phylny]

90. It would've been so much better if they had just shut their freaking mouth and done all of this under the radar

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As it is, I am sad to see Joe go and I’m enthusiastically behind Harris and whoever the vice presidential nominee will be. Too much at stake.

[Big Blue Marble]

94. It does not seem that Biden feels stabbed.

He has passed the torch. The Party is coming together with enthusiasm! We are grateful to
Joe and excited to join Harris in her coming victory.

[Eliot Rosewater]

151. Well, Joe puts country first. So no, he is not bitter...he is a patriot!

[Big Blue Marble]

167. Biden is and will be regarded as one of the greatest presidents in our history.

He is a patriot of the highest order.

[mcar]

15. Then why did they publicly humiliate Biden?

[sheshe2]

20. Excellent question.

I will wait right here with you for the answer to that,

[DiceK]

53. Well

Those who worked behind the scenes were back stabbers, those who commented publicly were humiliating the president. Exactly where was the safe space to be in all this?

[Hope22]

82. Either way...MSMBC talking heads are beside themselves with glee tonight! Fresh meat to pick!

All I can think is how nice it would have been to have this choice at the Primary Election where my voice could be heard too. I hear Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries will all have a very strong voice. At what point did they all decide to take Democratic voters out of the mix. They could have saved a whole lot of heartache! First time voters must be thrilled to come back in November to what…cast a vote?

[wackadoo wabbit]

180. Oh, I don't know. MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE LET THE PERSON THAT WE THE PEOPLE VOTED FOR ACTUALLY RUN!

[JohnSJ]

80. An excellent question. For now I will hold my tongue, unless they try to push out

Harris over a "no labels" or some other such candidate.

There are reports that some donors are trying to push manchin to challenge Harris.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015

If something like that actually happens where Harris is forced out, I am done with the Democratic party.
It's all yours, Citizen United, and corporate donors.

Enjoy your autocracy.

That being said, I highly doubt that will happen, and that even these wealthy donors realize that would be self-destruction.

[SocialDemocrat61]

189. Manchin said this morning

that he’s not running. But didn’t endorse Harris.

[JohnSJ]

192. Thanks. Good. Don't need his endorsement either.

[Bettie]

171. Probably because the large donors

told them they had to in order to get the money.

I'd like to think it wasn't because they wanted to humiliate him.

[mcar]

188. That makes them even more pathetic

Caving to bullies. Now we know they cannot be trusted.

[honest.abe]

16. Not surprised. This would be expected given the situation.

Thanks for posting! Your POV is valuable here.

[msfiddlestix]

19. no doubt. they have been working on this plan apparently for weeks.

And though I did have misgivings about this, I no longer have issues with it.

Obviously, Party Leadership is required to handle these matters for the best outcome.

The stakes could not be more serious and grave.

Ordinarily, we would be facing and competing against an opponent with deplorable policy positions.
Incredibly, we are facing far worse. We are competing with psychopaths and religious extremists, mobster ties, and traitors.
So, I'm taking solace in knowing Party Leadership is doing the ground work in this regard.

Also, it's kinda standard procedure in normal times. It just how this works,

[Polybius]

21. Yesssssss!!!!!!!

Welcome back, my friend!

[ecstatic]

23. I hope they're going to meet and beat all the deadlines

We cannot afford to have anything in the Supreme Court's hands regarding our candidates.

[ismnotwasm]

24. Well that's good.

I adore Kamala Harris, but I’m very sad about Biden.

[ForgedCrank]

25. Good to

see you back. This place could use more of the brutal truth, regardless of how painful it can sometimes be.

[Polly Hennessey]

28. Welcome back. 😊

[JohnMFWayne]

30. Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi et al have been working together for a while

Stabbing Joe in the back for a while, you say?

[Desert grandma]

34. Exactly.

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And I just wonder why Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi et al think they should choose our candidates. Don't regular grass roots base voters have a voice?? It appears to me to be very disrespectful of base Dem voters to push out the primary nominee winner and then "work together" to choose a ticket. I am disappointed to say the least.

[PatSeg]

83. This is so disappointing

I heard all of them publicly supporting Joe as the Democratic candidate, but meanwhile they were planning behind the scenes how they were going to replace him. I suppose some of the support was a little too scripted.

[wackadoo wabbit]

163. I'm not just disappointed, I'm actually disgusted

I kept writing more and then deleting it, so I guess I'll just leave it at that.

[dickthegrouch]

44. The saboteurs now want to help right the ship

At least they apparently agree that VP Harris is at the top of the new ticket.
If they don't, they can explain to us why not, TONIGHT Sunday July 21st.

[edisdead]

52. Exactly!

[onetexan]

103. I'm sure we're not prevy to information our leaders have so let's not rash judge.

I trust all 3.

[Desert grandma]

166. Not me.

My trust is broken.

[Tribetime]

32. Welcome back nt

[MissB]

33. Welcome back

Good to see you posting

[bluestarone]

36. Welcome back!

Gotta keep TFG and cultists out of our White house.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

37. Have missed your insight, even though I disagree with you many times. :D

[IbogaProject]

41. I wasn't happy with the push out

But Brooklynite is an active practicing Democratic Party, or PAC fundraiser, so he has an ear on the dirty business of raising pools of donations. He had an somewhat unique viewpoint as was able to inform us about that part of this story. Thanks for all your work working for the party, Brooklynite!

[Rubyshoo]

51. Exactly

[LeftInTX]

87. He is involved with a fundraising group (committee)? Based in NYC, where alot of money is.

Sounds like they raise general funds for Democratic candidates. Fundraising involves working with donors, planning events etc.

[IbogaProject]

193. I don't know specifics

But he has raised a little over a million, not sure the exact time frame just saying he may know some of our Brooklyn Politicians, which include Senator Schumer.

[macwriter]

43. Welcome Back? right

To: All the relentlessly negative Du-ers who breathlessly reported every poll, every defection and every criticism they could find to push the president out this race --
Congrats on a job well done. Biden naysayers all played a part in this betrayal. Take your victory lap. Don't expect some of us to pat you on the back.
Poor heroic figures attacked by pro Biden folks? Let's not be so dramatic. How about being a bit gracious for your role in humiliating one of the best presidents from the D party in my lifetime.
Yes, we'll continue to fight and cast our votes in November with the hope that we'll all be doing a victory lap the day after the polls close.
Meanwhile, have the good grace not to self-congratulate your efforts to throw this election into chaos or post things you think will justify what's happened or assure us that everything is all okay now. And give some of us, who still remember that LBJ's decision to drop out in 1968 and a chaotic convention in Chicago that gave us Nixon, time to lick our wounds.
I'll be living in a DU -free zone for a while. I don't want to be here right now.
Tomorrow with a heavy heart I sign up to send postcards -- whenever the dream team of Pelosi, Schumer Jeffries and the megadonors make up their minds about our ticket.
That is all.

[brooklynite]

48. You seem unhappy with the decisions Party Leadership made...

Perhaps you should take it up with them. I’ll be busy working with my funding circle to help get the Harris campaign off the ground.

[macwriter]

59. so you consider megadonors who pulled the strings to set this in motion party leadership?

Good to know.

[Yorkie Mom]

63. This was not a megadonor conspiracy.

[brooklynite]

65. No, Inconsider Leadership to be Leadership

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Schumer
Jeffries
Pelosi
Etc.

FWIW I know plenty of donors in the $250-$500 range who supported Biden stepping aside. They’re delighted to have Harris as our prospective nominee.

[macwriter]

71. I'm sure you're delighted, as well. NT

[brooklynite]

155. I -AM- delighted... that the Democratic party has rebuilt unity around a candidate.

I never endorsed Biden dropping out, because I didn't see a process that would quickly unify Leadership, elected officials, candidates, activitists and donors. Fortunately, I was wrong.

[macwriter]

169. I hope no one betrays you the way Biden was betrayed NT

[brooklynite]

170. Joe Biden is a politician.....

He's intelligent enough to read the handwriting on the wall. Party leadership was considerate enough to tell him privately what the handwriting was and give him public support until he made a decision.

"Politics ain't beanbag"

[macwriter]

173. Private?

I guess you didn't see the non-stop public rejection and 24/7 belittling of the president for the past 3 weeks. Please, let's be realistic about what went on

[brooklynite]

174. I knew that the private entreaties were occurring a week before they were reported...

There were initially kept private. "Leaking" occurred when the campaign resisted the data presented. You can object, but that's standard Washington behavior.

[macwriter]

175. I respect you, but...

This is how NBCNEWS reported the aftermath of the debate:
June 27: "Biden and Trump debate in Atlanta, with many Democrats panning Biden’s poor performance. Immediately following the debate, several former Democratic elected officials and political advisors suggest Biden should end his re-election bid."

And that's all that was needed to start the snowball down the hill.

The knives were out before he left the building.

Look, I am a fan of your reporting here. But the piling on here over the past three weeks has been shameful. Every single poll -- some of which completely unvetted -- were breathlessly reported here with the most sensationalized headlines. It seemed at times DU had turned into a troll propaganda factory.

I am demoralized and discouraged. I will do my bit to help elect a Democratic ticket, but I am imposing a blackout after tonight to all news and DU. I won't be back for the foreseeable future. My heart hurts for this country and our party

I truly wish you the best, but I believe since Citizen's United we have been edging toward Oligarchy. My mistake was that I thought it was just coming from the GOP. Now I see this is an election that is between Oligarchy and Authoritarianism. The choice was set when Big Donors held back money as a ransom and the payment was Biden's exit and the disenfranchised votes of 14 million primary voters. You may say I'm wrong to see that as plain awful, and that's the way Washington works. Call me naïve, but I thought America was better than that.

Be well and keep up the fight.

[brooklynite]

176. It didn't take NBC or CNN or ABC or CBS or the NYT or anyone else to say that President Biden had a disastrous debate...

I watched it live. My wife watched it live. My mother watched in live.

People HERE watched it live. Go back to the debate thread and look at all the excuses people were offering up for Biden's performance.

The same applies to senior elected officials and donors. How many were respected for their thoughtfulness and effort until they expressed a opinion different from yours?

[macwriter]

177. wow. never said he didn't have a terrible debate

I was trying to end this discussion on an amicable note. You got what you was convinced needed to happen. Agree to disagree. I am hoping you are right. The decision to force Biden out may have been the best for the country and the party, but the way it was handled left many of us feeling as if the primaries were a farce and our votes didn't count. Will we feel that way forever? No. But it did leave a mark.

I still respect you and what you report whatever you may think of me and my opinion.

[brooklynite]

178. No - I didn't...

It seems to be an article of faith in some quarters that I wanted Biden to step aside. I didn't and I never said I did.

[macwriter]

179. Good. We can agree on something, at least. My apologies. Horrible day, hope for better tomorrow NT

[wackadoo wabbit]

182. I will feel that way forever. I have a very long memory for betrayals like this. ... n/t

[displacedvermoter]

101. Until Manchin decidess he wants to jump in?

Kinda just kidding.

[calguy]

73. It's good for you to voice your anger to get it out of your system

I'm not happy about Joe stepping aside, but I can read tea leaves. I saw our prospects for November dwindling by the day after his disastrous debate performance, and once a snowball like that gets rolling, there's no way to stop it.
Rest assured that the party will unite behind Kamala Harris with or without you. She might not have been my first choice in a field of primary opponents, but she's the strongest person available right now, and she's the only one connected to the organization ready to hit the ground against Donald Trump.

[macwriter]

88. Condescending much?

"with or without me"? Seriously? I already stated starting tomorrow I am on a postcard volunteer list. And I will support the ticket in every way I can. Climb off your high horse and realize anger about pissing on our president takes a little time to process.

24 hours, 48 hours? by all means tell me what's acceptable to you?

And oh, about the snowballing, thanks for man-splaining it to me.

[calguy]

135. Sorry if my words offended you

I've already accepted the new reality. I realize for some it will take a little longer.

[Desert grandma]

146. Maybe a lot longer

[edisdead]

46. So you are saying Pelosi is a liar?

She just said that she supported Biden fully.

[brooklynite]

50. One. I'm telling you what she's doing NOW.

Two, Pelosi may have supported Bide personally, but she also shared with him the hard data about where his campaign stood. As did Schumer and Jeffries.

[edisdead]

56. Maybe you aren't in the loop....

She said it hours before he stepped down… Or maybe she isn't in the loop?

[brooklynite]

66. You can say you support a candidate...

…while privately telling him the long odds of succeeding.

If you don’t think leadership prevailed on Biden to drop out, it sounds like you think he couldn’t stand up to “them” (whomever “them are”) could you clarify who you’re blaming and how they pulled this off?

[edisdead]

122. That's called lying to the public.

She was working on a plan to oust him and tried to make it look like she wasn’t. To make it worse she said “he had to make a decision”.

it is pretty grotesque what went down. If what you say is true.

[displacedvermoter]

123. God you are condescending!

You do not seem to be the least bit concerned that many, many party faithful are feeling pain over this. I understand that money is the key issue that determines who is a Good Democrat now, but I am just appalled by the callousness and scorn you seem to be showing to people.

Welcome back, and I trust you will continue to share your expertise and insider information. But will you at least, perhaps, take a few minutes to let some of your important friends know that this decision really hurt people who love a man we've never met, but who really seemed to care about us, whether or not we could afford a five figure donation.

[brooklynite]

153. There is nothing condescending about facts.....

I'm not here to make people feel hopeful; I'm here to get Democrats elected. To that end, data that explains past actions or informs future ones is useful, in my opinion.

[displacedvermoter]

158. I am talking about people

being concerned about comrades, for lack of a better term. But never mind, again, it is all about money and you clearly know all about that.

[choie]

164. You got it

[choie]

165. And duplicitous

[vercetti2021]

47. Oh welcome back

So when we lose don't blame the trans or gay people because I'm not taking responsibility for this party's fuck up

[beaglelover]

142. Me and all my gay friends are over the moon by today's news and fully support Kamala Harris as our next POTUS.

You should get on board the Harris train. We WILL win in November and you will continue to live happily in the USA under a POTUS Harris. I understand you are feeling angry today so take a moment and then come back and fight, fight, fight for Kamala Harris and whoever her excellent VP pick will be!

[FoxNewsSucks]

154. Well, we can blame the billionaire & corp donors,

but they'll just pay to gloss right over that.

[Yorkie Mom]

54. Thank you! And... Welcome Back!!

[joanbarnes]

55. I'll take a refund for all the $ wasted on state primaries.

[Captain Zero]

81. I want $ back from Tester and Brown

nt

[Big Blue Marble]

187. Do you really want Harris to have a Republican Senate and the return of Mitch?

Do you want more Republican Supremes? Do you want Harris's judicial nominations blocked?
Tester and Brown are in red states and they were going down. It would be
the loss of two great senators. Now they have a fighting chance and we have
a chance to hold the senate.

[Alliepoo]

58. I'm glad you're back!

Thanks for this info- it’s good to know.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

60. Welcome back. NT

[Prairie Gates]

61. LOL

[ZonkerHarris]

62. Glad to have your conditional support for our candidate back.

Hope we all abide by your elites' rules in the future.

[NameAlreadyTaken]

64. Are they proud of what they did to Biden?

[ramapo]

68. No

I'm sure they wish they didn't have to do what they did. But this is bigger than Joe Biden. Biden knows that

[Desert grandma]

98. BS

They did not have to publicly humiliate him. THEY ARE COWARDS! They think they know everyrhing...well...we will find out in November.

[edisdead]

125. Sounds like another form of authoritarianism.

“Don’t worry we know whats best for you”

[PatrickforB]

67. Yes!!!! Harris is going to do great. We're really jazzed. Hey, can someone put in the Act Blue link?

I want to give the Harris campaign a donation.

[jumptheshadow]

69. Welcome back (nt)

[debm55]

70. Welcome back, Good to read you posts

[Turbineguy]

72. Thanks and welcome back.

[JoseBalow]

75. So much to be disappointed about here

[Joe Cool]

76. Shapiro for VP

No other pick makes more sense.

[TBF]

138. I'd really like that - he is from a swing state

and would complement Harris well. Best of all Josh Shapiro has a lot of charisma. I'm not one to donate that much (not one of those big crypto people, mine are much more frugal) - but I did send Shapiro a donation or two from here in TX when he was running for governor.

[madaboutharry]

77. Glad to see you back, Brooklynite.

[JohnSJ]

78. It needs to be someone with experience, especially foreign affairs.

[Hope22]

84. Maybe Blinken would be a good choice.

He seems level headed, versed in the state of the planet and could probably use the rest!😂

[JohnSJ]

86. That sounds actually pretty good. I am just saying I think it needs to be someone with

extensive foreign policy experience.

[Ligyron]

143. Needs to be Shapiro cause he gives us the best shot at winning the EC.

Plus he's bright, articulate and a Gov so we don't loose a Senate seat.

[wss2001]

89. They own this...

I hope they’re happy, because if Trump beats Kamala they own this loss, and we all are a world of shit because of it. That being said I’m all in for Kamala I just hope that enough of the American people will be too.

[BunkieBandit]

92. Welcome Back !!

n/t

[JohnSJ]

93. If you really have connections with the big money donors, and they are considering challenging

Harris with Joe Manchin, and if there are enough of these "big donors" to put Manchin in as the nominee, as a life long Democrat since McGovern, this would the first election I will refuse to vote in if they are that self-destructive.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015

[brooklynite]

99. Question: why do you think Manchin is considering running for President?

[Just_Vote_Dem]

102. I really don't know

Does he think current Democratic thinking is too liberal?

[JohnSJ]

108. Because the reporting is saying there are donors asking him to challenge Harris

and he told Jake Tapper that he is considering changing his party affiliation back to Democrat, to run as the Democrat for President in the primary.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015

[Just_Vote_Dem]

113. Yep, I think I misunderstood Brooklynite's question

I thought he was asking about Manchin's motives for possibly entering.

[JohnSJ]

116. I don't think any significant pledged delegates would vote for him, but if that actually

happened, and he became the Democratic nominee, I think we would lose at least 50% of the Democratic base, including me.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

118. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell IMO n/t

[JohnSJ]

121. I think so too, but things are so crazy with money in politics I just don't know anymore.

[brooklynite]

156. And that reporting is from the "mainstream media" that I'm continually told makes up stories.....

Think about it.

[JohnSJ]

159. It was verified by Manchin himself

[JohnSJ]

105. Because it is being reported that some of the donors are asking Manchin to challenge

Harris:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015

In addition, Jake Tapper on CNN has said that Manchin is considering changing back from independent to Democrat, to run as the Democratic nominee.

[edisdead]

130. Seriously how did people not know this

Especially plugged in folks?

[JohnSJ]

133. I don't think he stands a chance, and by all appearances it seems that Biden's pledged delegates

so far are coming out for her.

[emulatorloo]

115. Axios: "Manchin eyes presidential bid as Democrat"

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143276885

Source: Axios

Manchin eyes presidential bid as Democrat

Sen. Joe Manchin (I-W.V.) is considering re-registering as a Democrat and entering the 2024 presidential race, Axios has learned.

Why it matters: Manchin left the party in May, but could see an opening to run as a moderate option after President Biden withdrew from the race on Sunday.

Manchin is considering coming back to the party and putting his name into the running for the Democratic nomination, two sources familiar with his thinking told Axios.

The West Virginia centrist is retiring from the Senate when he term ends in January.

Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/21/joe-manchin-democrat-presidential-run-bid

[JohnSJ]

124. Psst. He really isn't a centrist.

[edisdead]

128. Hmmm because he said so?

How do you NOT know this???

[Ace Rothstein]

184. Manchin somehow being the candidate would get me to buy into the conspiracies that people here have proposed.

He'd be a massive L and cause us catastrophic losses down ballot.

[Martin Eden]

100. That implies the Harris heads the ticket, correct?

Hopefully she can attract swing voters in key states.

[PCIntern]

106. Wow...

One would need a gifted intuition to come up with THAT scenario.

My sources are telling me that the Sun is rising in the East on the morrow.

[edisdead]

131. Hahahahaha well played.

[NoMoreRepugs]

107. Is it possible JoeB agreed with them for a while now but messaging was structured so as to not

give the RNC lovefest in Milwaukee a centerpiece - “Biden bows out rather than face the all powerful Trumpinator.”

It is a possibility….

[VMA131Marine]

109. So we're letting a few elites at the top of the party

choose our candidates now?

I love our Veep, but that doesn’t mean I think she’s best positioned to beat Trump and there should at least be a conversation about who is having not had a primary process where we could do that.

[wackadoo wabbit]

183. Apparently so.

It was so silly of me to imagine that my vote counted.

[LAS14]

110. Thanks for the post. Interesting. But what's with all the Welcome Backs????

Did you go somewhere? If you did, how did people know?????

[honest.abe]

129. Brooklynite was FFR'd as was I and many others who spoke against the grain here.

He and I and others got reinstated once Biden stepped down today.

[tishaLA]

114. I've avoided logging on for months

...perhaps more than a year, but I've read your truth-telling posts and seen the reaction to them for the past several weeks. It's good to see you again and I hope you never stop giving fact-based info no matter how many reject hand vilify it.

[ramen]

117. Apologies for the ugliness in this thread firing your way.

Thanks for sharing information with us.

[ellie]

126. Ugh

For fuck's sake.

[Eliot Rosewater]

127. And I love how Rachel

Describes President Biden and team waiting for Von shits in pants to nominate the most radical pile of shit on earth as his vice president and then drops this on everybody. boom!!!!

[cachukis]

132. Valued voice.

[TBF]

134. Well I don't thank you often but I do appreciate what you are able to tell us

The president resigning for such reasons is unprecedented as far as I know, but we've never faced a threat quite like Trump before either. I'm actually really glad Nancy is involved because she is so savvy.

[mountain grammy]

148. I'm glad you're back

But I wonder if heaven forbid republicans win, will our party leadership look at us and say “we gave it all we could?”
That would be a bit of irony right there.
Anyway I missed your updates and insight even if it increased my anxiety and I do think we’ll beat that lunatic.

[FoxNewsSucks]

157. While I dislike your often-condescending tone,

I'm also glad you're back. There have been too many voices silenced over the years just because some didn't like what they said. I'd much rather have all of them, including the ones with whom I have some disagreements.

A site where everyone agrees would be dull and far less informative.

I hope those who defended Biden were also given the same dispensation.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

160. Thank you !

Welcome back ...

[choie]

161. Oh goody

I will withhold my thoughts because I’ll be removed. But suffice it to say, I know a lake they can jump in

[LAS14]

190. Thanks!

Now that I understand better why the "Welcome back"s, I'd like to thank you for standing up for complexity and nuance.

[LAS14]

191. And facts. nt