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Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi et al have been working together for a while, and are now coordinating with Harris on the transition process and selection of a VP candidate.
mucifer
(24,668 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Music Man
(1,561 posts)Thank you, Brooklynite, for your insight, smarts, and being a critical thinker.
How I imagine people reflexively putting Brooklynite on ignore:
brooklynlite took a lot of abuse last 3 weeks.
But handled it well.
I disagree with him, but I can see he has the same objectives as everyone and respect that he held strongly to his views despite the bile.
Time to put that all aside now and move on.
choie
(4,396 posts)OnDoutside
(20,633 posts)Music Man
(1,561 posts)Whether it's an unfavorable poll from swing states or inside information from donor calls that suggest discontent in inner circles, he has posted things that many on this site did not want to hear.
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radius777
(3,768 posts)so the views that can be unpopular here at times tend to be popular with the larger Dem base:
Polls clearly show that most Dems view Gaza as genocide and are critical of US support for Israel.
Polls clearly show that 2/3 of Dems wanted Biden to drop out, and 3/4 of Independents wanted him out. Only a majority of Republican voters wanted him to stay in.
VBNMW
(21 posts)Truth
Polybius
(17,279 posts)regnaD kciN
(26,522 posts)musicblind
(4,558 posts)Regardless of how you feel about Brooklynite, that was a really mean thing to say.
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KS Toronado
(19,325 posts)We all need to work together as a team to defeat R's, you can borrow this one.
patphil
(6,867 posts)BWdem4life
(2,368 posts)patphil
(6,867 posts)BigmanPigman
(52,147 posts)Kingofalldems
(39,176 posts)Trueblue1968
(17,924 posts)Omg, please folks, lets come together.
BluesRunTheGame
(1,783 posts)democrank
(11,230 posts)A united statement from Democratic leadership will help us unite and move forward.
ECL213
(295 posts)A united statement from all of the people who have been stabbing Joe in the back for the last three weeks is exactly what we need right now.
in2herbs
(3,063 posts)LexVegas
(6,500 posts)Deuxcents
(19,301 posts)spanone
(137,463 posts)Tammie
(387 posts)Hed be an excellent choice, IMO.
tishaLA
(14,305 posts)I was saying to a friend yesterday that all he needs to do is point to how quickly he got I-76 back up after the fire that destroyed it--and would have been an absolute disaster for the entire SE PA region--and he could use it as a perfect example of how a well-managed government, and the coordination of local, state, and federal official, could get things done to help average working people. Of course they'd have sotto voce attacks on him, but they'd have attacks on anybody we choose.
NoRethugFriends
(2,892 posts)tishaLA
(14,305 posts)Captain Zero
(7,416 posts)nt
TBF
(33,972 posts)he'd make a great VP (whether now or in future)
Alwayshopefull
(8 posts)Unfortunately true. Lots on the bench
Music Man
(1,561 posts)Gore was trying to distance himself from Clinton.
It's a different calculation this time. I'm not sold on Shapiro either, but it's not even a comparison. In fact, I don't even understand your point.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)TBF
(33,972 posts)just a personal fave, but there are many excellent choices out there
spanone
(137,463 posts)LeftInTX
(29,689 posts)patphil
(6,867 posts)Sorry to see Joe go though. I respect his decision, and still support him.
I'm 77 years old, and I think he's the best president we have had in my lifetime.
Pisces
(5,784 posts)Deminpenn
(16,082 posts)help themselves by backstabbing Biden. I'm sure the cabal believes Dems will stay in the fold and not punish them at the ballot box because Trump is such a terrible person, but maybe that's not a good bet.
ProfessorGAC
(69,459 posts)But, after November there may be a price to pay.
So, their calculus may be valid for the short term; only.
Deminpenn
(16,082 posts)Biden will draw primary opponents and since it's usually the most committed Dems who vote in primaries, some of the incumbents could be ousted.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Deminpenn
(16,082 posts)Out my way, the 1960 Pirates are still revered and every Oct, we celebrate Maz' World Series winning HR. Many of us still aren't over Barry Bonds' lame throw that allowed Sid Bream to score and win that playoff series for Atl in 1991 or 1992 and don't think he should have been elected to the Pirates team hall of fame. We remember the mills and long for them to return. Pittsburgh just named a street segment after Gus, recently deceased at 90, of Gus and Yaya's iceball cart fame. We still talk about and admire Pgh Rennaissance I and II. The ancient wooden coasters at Kennywood are still a big attraction. All this is passed down from generation to generation.
In Philadelphia, everyone remembers the 1964 Phillies collapse and worry about a repeat to this day. Wilt and "Concrete Charlie" Bednarik are known to everyone old and young. No one has forgotten the police firebombing MOVE.
Everyone remembers Caliguiri and Gov Casey died from the same amylodis disease even though both have been dead for years.
Did I mention that we elected a guy named Tom Foley to a statewide office because voters thought he was Tim Foley, who played SS for the Pirates for a couple years? And Bob Casey was elected to office because voters thought he was Bob Casey who is now Sen Casey?
I don't think we're going to be forgetting who stabbed Biden in the back although afaik none of PA Dems did.
DeeDeeNY
(3,455 posts)MotownPgh
(347 posts)plenty of us love and admire Barry Bonds and what he did for the Pirates and grew up in Sulphur smelling steel towns whose time was LONG past. It hurt but we had to move forward. I remember the plants growing back as the pollution lessened. We all have to look to the future.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)The skinny scrawny scrappy baseball player that grew twicce his own size in like 8 months of Training?
sorry, I mean Barry Bonds the cheater?
MotownPgh
(347 posts)good times. Best I've seen in person in baseball.
MotownPgh
(347 posts)best I've seen in person in baseball. And it was the steroid era, let's be honest here.
Deminpenn
(16,082 posts)as a free agent to SF, when he returned as a Giant, fans in left field threw monopoly money at him.
Desert grandma
(1,040 posts)It would depend on the qualifications of the candidate. The betrayal of this moment will not be easily forgotten.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)I feel as though the devil collected a few souls today.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)Angie Craigs primary challenger is going to get a few paychecks from me.
JustAnotherGen
(33,273 posts)phylny
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As it is, I am sad to see Joe go and Im enthusiastically behind Harris and whoever the vice presidential nominee will be. Too much at stake.
Big Blue Marble
(5,437 posts)He has passed the torch. The Party is coming together with enthusiasm! We are grateful to
Joe and excited to join Harris in her coming victory.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,429 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,437 posts)He is a patriot of the highest order.
mcar
(43,366 posts)sheshe2
(86,941 posts)I will wait right here with you for the answer to that,
Those who worked behind the scenes were back stabbers, those who commented publicly were humiliating the president. Exactly where was the safe space to be in all this?
Hope22
(2,507 posts)All I can think is how nice it would have been to have this choice at the Primary Election where my voice could be heard too. I hear Schumer, Pelosi, Jeffries will all have a very strong voice. At what point did they all decide to take Democratic voters out of the mix. They could have saved a whole lot of heartache! First time voters must be thrilled to come back in November to what cast a vote?
wackadoo wabbit
(1,214 posts)JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)Harris over a "no labels" or some other such candidate.
There are reports that some donors are trying to push manchin to challenge Harris.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015
If something like that actually happens where Harris is forced out, I am done with the Democratic party.
It's all yours, Citizen United, and corporate donors.
Enjoy your autocracy.
That being said, I highly doubt that will happen, and that even these wealthy donors realize that would be self-destruction.
SocialDemocrat61
(2,643 posts)that hes not running. But didnt endorse Harris.
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)Bettie
(16,849 posts)told them they had to in order to get the money.
I'd like to think it wasn't because they wanted to humiliate him.
mcar
(43,366 posts)Caving to bullies. Now we know they cannot be trusted.
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)Thanks for posting! Your POV is valuable here.
msfiddlestix
(7,721 posts)And though I did have misgivings about this, I no longer have issues with it.
Obviously, Party Leadership is required to handle these matters for the best outcome.
The stakes could not be more serious and grave.
Ordinarily, we would be facing and competing against an opponent with deplorable policy positions.
Incredibly, we are facing far worse. We are competing with psychopaths and religious extremists, mobster ties, and traitors.
So, I'm taking solace in knowing Party Leadership is doing the ground work in this regard.
Also, it's kinda standard procedure in normal times. It just how this works,
Polybius
(17,279 posts)Welcome back, my friend!
ecstatic
(34,245 posts)We cannot afford to have anything in the Supreme Court's hands regarding our candidates.
ismnotwasm
(42,419 posts)I adore Kamala Harris, but Im very sad about Biden.
ForgedCrank
(2,093 posts)see you back. This place could use more of the brutal truth, regardless of how painful it can sometimes be.
Polly Hennessey
(7,368 posts)JohnMFWayne
(19 posts)Stabbing Joe in the back for a while, you say?
Desert grandma
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And I just wonder why Schumer, Jeffries, Pelosi et al think they should choose our candidates. Don't regular grass roots base voters have a voice?? It appears to me to be very disrespectful of base Dem voters to push out the primary nominee winner and then "work together" to choose a ticket. I am disappointed to say the least.
PatSeg
(49,589 posts)I heard all of them publicly supporting Joe as the Democratic candidate, but meanwhile they were planning behind the scenes how they were going to replace him. I suppose some of the support was a little too scripted.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,214 posts)I kept writing more and then deleting it, so I guess I'll just leave it at that.
dickthegrouch
(3,503 posts)At least they apparently agree that VP Harris is at the top of the new ticket.
If they don't, they can explain to us why not, TONIGHT Sunday July 21st.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)onetexan
(13,786 posts)I trust all 3.
Desert grandma
(1,040 posts)My trust is broken.
Tribetime
(6,064 posts)MissB
(16,024 posts)Good to see you posting
bluestarone
(18,014 posts)Gotta keep TFG and cultists out of our White house.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,378 posts)IbogaProject
(3,497 posts)But Brooklynite is an active practicing Democratic Party, or PAC fundraiser, so he has an ear on the dirty business of raising pools of donations. He had an somewhat unique viewpoint as was able to inform us about that part of this story. Thanks for all your work working for the party, Brooklynite!
Rubyshoo
(1,959 posts)LeftInTX
(29,689 posts)Sounds like they raise general funds for Democratic candidates. Fundraising involves working with donors, planning events etc.
IbogaProject
(3,497 posts)But he has raised a little over a million, not sure the exact time frame just saying he may know some of our Brooklyn Politicians, which include Senator Schumer.
macwriter
(200 posts)To: All the relentlessly negative Du-ers who breathlessly reported every poll, every defection and every criticism they could find to push the president out this race --
Congrats on a job well done. Biden naysayers all played a part in this betrayal. Take your victory lap. Don't expect some of us to pat you on the back.
Poor heroic figures attacked by pro Biden folks? Let's not be so dramatic. How about being a bit gracious for your role in humiliating one of the best presidents from the D party in my lifetime.
Yes, we'll continue to fight and cast our votes in November with the hope that we'll all be doing a victory lap the day after the polls close.
Meanwhile, have the good grace not to self-congratulate your efforts to throw this election into chaos or post things you think will justify what's happened or assure us that everything is all okay now. And give some of us, who still remember that LBJ's decision to drop out in 1968 and a chaotic convention in Chicago that gave us Nixon, time to lick our wounds.
I'll be living in a DU -free zone for a while. I don't want to be here right now.
Tomorrow with a heavy heart I sign up to send postcards -- whenever the dream team of Pelosi, Schumer Jeffries and the megadonors make up their minds about our ticket.
That is all.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Perhaps you should take it up with them. Ill be busy working with my funding circle to help get the Harris campaign off the ground.
macwriter
(200 posts)Good to know.
Yorkie Mom
(16,522 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 21, 2024, 09:23 PM - Edit history (1)
Schumer
Jeffries
Pelosi
Etc.
FWIW I know plenty of donors in the $250-$500 range who supported Biden stepping aside. Theyre delighted to have Harris as our prospective nominee.
macwriter
(200 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I never endorsed Biden dropping out, because I didn't see a process that would quickly unify Leadership, elected officials, candidates, activitists and donors. Fortunately, I was wrong.
macwriter
(200 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)He's intelligent enough to read the handwriting on the wall. Party leadership was considerate enough to tell him privately what the handwriting was and give him public support until he made a decision.
"Politics ain't beanbag"
macwriter
(200 posts)I guess you didn't see the non-stop public rejection and 24/7 belittling of the president for the past 3 weeks. Please, let's be realistic about what went on
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)There were initially kept private. "Leaking" occurred when the campaign resisted the data presented. You can object, but that's standard Washington behavior.
macwriter
(200 posts)This is how NBCNEWS reported the aftermath of the debate:
June 27: "Biden and Trump debate in Atlanta, with many Democrats panning Bidens poor performance. Immediately following the debate, several former Democratic elected officials and political advisors suggest Biden should end his re-election bid."
And that's all that was needed to start the snowball down the hill.
The knives were out before he left the building.
Look, I am a fan of your reporting here. But the piling on here over the past three weeks has been shameful. Every single poll -- some of which completely unvetted -- were breathlessly reported here with the most sensationalized headlines. It seemed at times DU had turned into a troll propaganda factory.
I am demoralized and discouraged. I will do my bit to help elect a Democratic ticket, but I am imposing a blackout after tonight to all news and DU. I won't be back for the foreseeable future. My heart hurts for this country and our party
I truly wish you the best, but I believe since Citizen's United we have been edging toward Oligarchy. My mistake was that I thought it was just coming from the GOP. Now I see this is an election that is between Oligarchy and Authoritarianism. The choice was set when Big Donors held back money as a ransom and the payment was Biden's exit and the disenfranchised votes of 14 million primary voters. You may say I'm wrong to see that as plain awful, and that's the way Washington works. Call me naïve, but I thought America was better than that.
Be well and keep up the fight.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I watched it live. My wife watched it live. My mother watched in live.
People HERE watched it live. Go back to the debate thread and look at all the excuses people were offering up for Biden's performance.
The same applies to senior elected officials and donors. How many were respected for their thoughtfulness and effort until they expressed a opinion different from yours?
macwriter
(200 posts)I was trying to end this discussion on an amicable note. You got what you was convinced needed to happen. Agree to disagree. I am hoping you are right. The decision to force Biden out may have been the best for the country and the party, but the way it was handled left many of us feeling as if the primaries were a farce and our votes didn't count. Will we feel that way forever? No. But it did leave a mark.
I still respect you and what you report whatever you may think of me and my opinion.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)It seems to be an article of faith in some quarters that I wanted Biden to step aside. I didn't and I never said I did.
macwriter
(200 posts)wackadoo wabbit
(1,214 posts)displacedvermoter
(2,886 posts)Kinda just kidding.
calguy
(5,733 posts)I'm not happy about Joe stepping aside, but I can read tea leaves. I saw our prospects for November dwindling by the day after his disastrous debate performance, and once a snowball like that gets rolling, there's no way to stop it.
Rest assured that the party will unite behind Kamala Harris with or without you. She might not have been my first choice in a field of primary opponents, but she's the strongest person available right now, and she's the only one connected to the organization ready to hit the ground against Donald Trump.
macwriter
(200 posts)"with or without me"? Seriously? I already stated starting tomorrow I am on a postcard volunteer list. And I will support the ticket in every way I can. Climb off your high horse and realize anger about pissing on our president takes a little time to process.
24 hours, 48 hours? by all means tell me what's acceptable to you?
And oh, about the snowballing, thanks for man-splaining it to me.
calguy
(5,733 posts)I've already accepted the new reality. I realize for some it will take a little longer.
Desert grandma
(1,040 posts)edisdead
(3,250 posts)She just said that she supported Biden fully.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Two, Pelosi may have supported Bide personally, but she also shared with him the hard data about where his campaign stood. As did Schumer and Jeffries.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)She said it hours before he stepped down Or maybe she isn't in the loop?
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)
while privately telling him the long odds of succeeding.
If you dont think leadership prevailed on Biden to drop out, it sounds like you think he couldnt stand up to them (whomever them are) could you clarify who youre blaming and how they pulled this off?
edisdead
(3,250 posts)She was working on a plan to oust him and tried to make it look like she wasnt. To make it worse she said he had to make a decision.
it is pretty grotesque what went down. If what you say is true.
displacedvermoter
(2,886 posts)You do not seem to be the least bit concerned that many, many party faithful are feeling pain over this. I understand that money is the key issue that determines who is a Good Democrat now, but I am just appalled by the callousness and scorn you seem to be showing to people.
Welcome back, and I trust you will continue to share your expertise and insider information. But will you at least, perhaps, take a few minutes to let some of your important friends know that this decision really hurt people who love a man we've never met, but who really seemed to care about us, whether or not we could afford a five figure donation.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)I'm not here to make people feel hopeful; I'm here to get Democrats elected. To that end, data that explains past actions or informs future ones is useful, in my opinion.
displacedvermoter
(2,886 posts)being concerned about comrades, for lack of a better term. But never mind, again, it is all about money and you clearly know all about that.
choie
(4,396 posts)choie
(4,396 posts)vercetti2021
(10,357 posts)So when we lose don't blame the trans or gay people because I'm not taking responsibility for this party's fuck up
beaglelover
(3,938 posts)You should get on board the Harris train. We WILL win in November and you will continue to live happily in the USA under a POTUS Harris. I understand you are feeling angry today so take a moment and then come back and fight, fight, fight for Kamala Harris and whoever her excellent VP pick will be!
FoxNewsSucks
(10,749 posts)but they'll just pay to gloss right over that.
Yorkie Mom
(16,522 posts)joanbarnes
(1,866 posts)Captain Zero
(7,416 posts)nt
Big Blue Marble
(5,437 posts)Do you want more Republican Supremes? Do you want Harris's judicial nominations blocked?
Tester and Brown are in red states and they were going down. It would be
the loss of two great senators. Now they have a fighting chance and we have
a chance to hold the senate.
Alliepoo
(2,446 posts)Thanks for this info- its good to know.
mahatmakanejeeves
(60,515 posts)Prairie Gates
(2,580 posts)ZonkerHarris
(25,171 posts)Hope we all abide by your elites' rules in the future.
NameAlreadyTaken
(1,436 posts)ramapo
(4,718 posts)I'm sure they wish they didn't have to do what they did. But this is bigger than Joe Biden. Biden knows that
They did not have to publicly humiliate him. THEY ARE COWARDS! They think they know everyrhing...well...we will find out in November.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)Dont worry we know whats best for you
PatrickforB
(15,072 posts)I want to give the Harris campaign a donation.
jumptheshadow
(3,307 posts)debm55
(34,097 posts)Turbineguy
(38,245 posts)JoseBalow
(4,859 posts)Joe Cool
(997 posts)No other pick makes more sense.
TBF
(33,972 posts)and would complement Harris well. Best of all Josh Shapiro has a lot of charisma. I'm not one to donate that much (not one of those big crypto people, mine are much more frugal) - but I did send Shapiro a donation or two from here in TX when he was running for governor.
madaboutharry
(41,201 posts)JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)Hope22
(2,507 posts)He seems level headed, versed in the state of the planet and could probably use the rest!😂
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)extensive foreign policy experience.
Ligyron
(7,835 posts)Plus he's bright, articulate and a Gov so we don't loose a Senate seat.
wss2001
(73 posts)I hope theyre happy, because if Trump beats Kamala they own this loss, and we all are a world of shit because of it. That being said Im all in for Kamala I just hope that enough of the American people will be too.
BunkieBandit
(97 posts)n/t
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)Harris with Joe Manchin, and if there are enough of these "big donors" to put Manchin in as the nominee, as a life long Democrat since McGovern, this would the first election I will refuse to vote in if they are that self-destructive.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Just_Vote_Dem
(3,102 posts)Does he think current Democratic thinking is too liberal?
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)and he told Jake Tapper that he is considering changing his party affiliation back to Democrat, to run as the Democrat for President in the primary.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,102 posts)I thought he was asking about Manchin's motives for possibly entering.
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)happened, and he became the Democratic nominee, I think we would lose at least 50% of the Democratic base, including me.
Just_Vote_Dem
(3,102 posts)JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Think about it.
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)Harris:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19207015
In addition, Jake Tapper on CNN has said that Manchin is considering changing back from independent to Democrat, to run as the Democratic nominee.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)Especially plugged in folks?
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)so far are coming out for her.
emulatorloo
(45,520 posts)Manchin eyes presidential bid as Democrat
Sen. Joe Manchin (I-W.V.) is considering re-registering as a Democrat and entering the 2024 presidential race, Axios has learned.
Why it matters: Manchin left the party in May, but could see an opening to run as a moderate option after President Biden withdrew from the race on Sunday.
Manchin is considering coming back to the party and putting his name into the running for the Democratic nomination, two sources familiar with his thinking told Axios.
The West Virginia centrist is retiring from the Senate when he term ends in January.
Read more: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/21/joe-manchin-democrat-presidential-run-bid
JohnSJ
(95,853 posts)edisdead
(3,250 posts)How do you NOT know this???
Ace Rothstein
(3,278 posts)He'd be a massive L and cause us catastrophic losses down ballot.
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Martin Eden
(13,375 posts)Hopefully she can attract swing voters in key states.
PCIntern
(26,744 posts)One would need a gifted intuition to come up with THAT scenario.
My sources are telling me that the Sun is rising in the East on the morrow.
edisdead
(3,250 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(10,431 posts)give the RNC lovefest in Milwaukee a centerpiece - Biden bows out rather than face the all powerful Trumpinator.
It is a possibility
.
VMA131Marine
(4,558 posts)choose our candidates now?
I love our Veep, but that doesnt mean I think shes best positioned to beat Trump and there should at least be a conversation about who is having not had a primary process where we could do that.
wackadoo wabbit
(1,214 posts)It was so silly of me to imagine that my vote counted.
LAS14
(14,442 posts)Did you go somewhere? If you did, how did people know?????
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)He and I and others got reinstated once Biden stepped down today.
tishaLA
(14,305 posts)...perhaps more than a year, but I've read your truth-telling posts and seen the reaction to them for the past several weeks. It's good to see you again and I hope you never stop giving fact-based info no matter how many reject hand vilify it.
ramen
(859 posts)Thanks for sharing information with us.
ellie
(6,953 posts)For fuck's sake.
Eliot Rosewater
(32,429 posts)Describes President Biden and team waiting for Von shits in pants to nominate the most radical pile of shit on earth as his vice president and then drops this on everybody. boom!!!!
cachukis
(2,515 posts)TBF
(33,972 posts)The president resigning for such reasons is unprecedented as far as I know, but we've never faced a threat quite like Trump before either. I'm actually really glad Nancy is involved because she is so savvy.
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mountain grammy
(27,160 posts)But I wonder if heaven forbid republicans win, will our party leadership look at us and say we gave it all we could?
That would be a bit of irony right there.
Anyway I missed your updates and insight even if it increased my anxiety and I do think well beat that lunatic.
FoxNewsSucks
(10,749 posts)I'm also glad you're back. There have been too many voices silenced over the years just because some didn't like what they said. I'd much rather have all of them, including the ones with whom I have some disagreements.
A site where everyone agrees would be dull and far less informative.
I hope those who defended Biden were also given the same dispensation.
obnoxiousdrunk
(3,019 posts)Welcome back ...
choie
(4,396 posts)I will withhold my thoughts because Ill be removed. But suffice it to say, I know a lake they can jump in
LAS14
(14,442 posts)Now that I understand better why the "Welcome back"s, I'd like to thank you for standing up for complexity and nuance.