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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm sort of over everything now. The tiny bit of belief that I had in my party is broken now.
I’ll still vote for Harris. I’d vote for a rock with googly eyes over Trump.
I’m 48 years old and I feel like the last bastion of hope, the twinkle in my eye that the world can be what we want it to be if we all stand together. That’s gone. It left today.
I’ve realized that I’m beholden to the same forces I detest from the other side. We’re all just pawns to the 1%. We’re pawns because our politicians choose to be their pawns. We’ve lost our voice.
I think what bothers me the most about this is that we’re supposed to be the party that stands on the sanctity of the election process. We should have held primaries. Now we’re being force fed a candidate because the donors have spoken. I don’t think I’ve ever been this upset when it comes to politics, especially from my own party.
I understand that Joe is old, but the people that made this decision don’t care if it’s the end of something that we believe in, they don’t give a shit about any of us. They don’t like workers, unions, or the middle class. They only care about more money.
Today was the day that this party diverged from being about the worker and officially became about the corporate oligarchy.
Harris has my vote, but she’d better win or the party that I was raised on is dead.
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TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)The person who ultimately made this decision was the president. Insisting that one knows his true motivations when one wasn't privy to the discussions he had with his advisors and family is presumptuous.
His brother says that it came down to overall health and vitality and the need for Trump to be defeated in November. Maybe a billionaire paid him to say that.
https://democraticunderground.com/100219201678
Amishman
(5,918 posts)But last week he was adamant that he had what it takes, the only thing that changed was increased pressure from donors (directly and directly via Joe's peers).
I cannot fully express myself here without getting rather close to crossing some lines.
sir pball
(5,306 posts)After a night of (not) sober reflection and pondering, I'm kind of leaning towards this bout of COVID kicking his ass hard enough (I mean, he's gonna be fine, but that doesn't mean it didn't suuuck) that he did honestly ask himself if he has 4.5 more years of fight in him, battling both the GOP and his own "allies".
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)But it was still his choice. He could’ve hung tough until the convention and his delegates would’ve nominated him. He decided otherwise. I’m sad he’s gone but we gotta get over it and support our eventual nominee, who in all likelihood will be Harris.
DURHAM D
(32,990 posts)Most Democrats are.
beaglelover
(4,449 posts)
Captain Zero
(8,814 posts)BannonsLiver
(20,317 posts)These tales of woe posts are about past their expiration dates.
displacedvermoter
(4,185 posts)Another post intended to "unite" us by belittling people with sincere concerns.
BannonsLiver
(20,317 posts)Hope your day gets better! 
PatSeg
(52,617 posts)Less than 24 hours??? You make it sound like it happened last week or last month.
Sorry that some of us cannot adapt that quickly after hearing shocking news.
Bayard
(29,017 posts)I felt like I was punched in the gut by the news. I'm depressed as hell.
I'll 100% support Kamala, but I'm not ready to stop mourning Joe yet.
Human emotions don't work like that. There's also a feeling of betrayal when it comes to some people that I'd respected and trusted.
newdayneeded
(2,493 posts)in 4 hours. I think you should re-think the all is lost thing.
over 66% + of polled dems thought he should step aside. that means 66%+ were not very excited about seeing Joe not looking very well.
I feel today the excitement and check writing is back in full force.
Metaphorical
(2,605 posts)just shy of $50 million dollars yesterday, and that amount is rising.
Remember, Musk made a promise of donating $50mil a MONTH towards Trump. Now, suppose he stays true to form and Trump (as I predict) starts to drop in the polls like mouldy bread. In that case, I rather doubt that Musk (or others with deep pockets) will continue to shell out that kind of money, particularly since, for all his billions on paper, he's probably not all that liquid right now. Even he can't go to the bank for a loan if it's used as a political donation.
uponit7771
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CTyankee
(67,922 posts)color, to become the POTUS! Our party is one that supports women, fights for reproductive rights, fights for rights of minorities, for gay rights. I am not even considering a "nasty convention."
I hope we all here at DU can be helpful and productive in this election.
onenote
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Vogon_Glory
(10,235 posts)The prospect of another Trump presidency is enough to frighten most of the party into line.
AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)You know he is a scrapper!! He does not throw the towel in because someone tells him to. If he chose to step away, it's because he needs to and he's doing it for the good of both the party and the country.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)I mean Joe is all of that.
But you cannot look past the donor threats. Hell we were clued in about it here. That happened and Biden is the best pres of my life and I thought Obama would be hard to beat, but the orocess being pushed aside???? It is a bad taste in my mouth and I din’t think it will ever wash out.
I loved Kamala when she declared on 2015z I remember watching her declaration speech and called my wife into the room and said “You gotta see this”. So I am a kamala believer….
But the democrats calling for the change at the behest of the donors….. That troubles me… A lot. Like REALLY a lot. So much so that the only way to get past it is to work to primary those dems next and future elections. To pay closer attention to candidates funding sources because if we atay beholden to the mega donors….. we won’t be looking out for most Americans.
PatSeg
(52,617 posts)I know what you mean about "a bad taste in my mouth". I have a feeling I'll have it for quite awhile.
crimycarny
(2,069 posts)When he had his bad debate I know he must have felt he let us down, he wasn't worried about his ego.
So he picks himself back up, does two media interviews (Stephanoupolus, Lester Holt), and an hour-long NATO press conference. The NATO press conference in particular he showed he still had it cognitively with his grasp of complex foreign policy, but the media latched on to two misspeaks (VP Trump and President Putin). Everyone, including the press, knows Joe didn't confuse Kamala with Trump or Zelensky with Putin--it was a misspeak like all of us do even when not being watched on TV by millions knowing every word will be parsed--yet that's what the press focused on.
I truly believe Biden tried to fight back for his supporters. So many were asking him to stay in. I also think he knows he can do the job or he wouldn't have fought so hard to prove that. But I think it became obvious to him that the media was not going to cover his agenda, his accomplishments, and Trump's unfitness for office. The media was going to constantly sound the drumbeat of "Biden is old" and top Dems worried about their own elections stabbed Joe Biden in the back. That had to have hurt deeply.
President Biden ultimately did what was best for the country, but I feel like so many in his party broke his heart and it breaks mine. He will recover, but it literally made me sob knowing how painful it must have been to see so many turn on him.
PatSeg
(52,617 posts)I agree completely.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)Right at those who were told he was in it to win it yesterday.
CoopersDad
(3,296 posts).
...is an insult to him, think about that.
Desert grandma
(1,075 posts)he made the choice after his advisors told him he had no path to victory. Why was that?? Because the elite donor class was with holding their money and there was strong media bashing as well as other politicians urging him to drop out.
lapfog_1
(31,785 posts)that he was too old, that he didn't have the support.
He ignored them then, used his connection with Jim Clyburn to win South Carolina... and it was off to the races.
But do you think that he could do as well today in a debate with the other Democrats?
but I do not believe that anyone made him leave the race.
Desert grandma
(1,075 posts)This time we had people publicly coming out against a sitting President..yes, you Raskin, Heinrich, and all the other members of congress that were not going to get their donor money if they didn't come out and urge the man to step down. He was not supported by friends he should have been able to count on. It is what it is, but I for one will not forget this betrayal of 14 million voters. Heinrich is my senator and i supported him in his very first campaign and ever since. I will vote for him over his R opponent, but he will get no more money or time from us. I let him know that on his website. He has been a big disappointment. So much for standing up to the "Special Interests". Biden would have won if the politicos and donors had his back IMO. Too bad we will never know for sure.
thucythucy
(9,063 posts)Maybe, maybe not.
But knowing folks who've been through Covid, it was a gut punch when it was announced he had caught the virus. My admittedly uninformed thinking is that the diagnosis and it's implications for his health over the next five years was the deciding factor, for him and his family.
Running his administration while campaigning for president while ill with a potentially fatal disease would have been daunting for a person half his age.
I trust his judgment, and assume he made what he thought was the best decision for the country.
But I agree--the public calls for him to step down were shocking, in fact infuriating. And I hope President Harris and her team, once elected, will do something to reign in the influence of Big Money that has been a pox on our politics ever since Citizens United, if not before.
Not we have a campaign to win. As Franklin supposedly said at the signing of the Declaration of Independence, "Now we must all hang together, or surely we will all hang separately."
Best wishes.
Frasier Balzov
(4,948 posts)This should be reassuring.
Plus there's so much winning positivity happening!
bamagal62
(4,407 posts)I love Joe and I trust his decision.
DoBW
(3,143 posts)flying_wahini
(8,254 posts)And for our younger generation I am pretty psyched.
I’m old enough to remember crush on JFK that got lots of younger kids involved with politics.
Then Bill Clinton did it. Then Obama did it. Now
Biden is the end of the Old Guard.
Joe is a real class act. I love him.
Kamala will be our first Woman President.
(Still sore about Hillary) but I hope to hell she gets someone not over 60.
Feed the young and their dreams. It’s time for the old guard to pass the torch .
alarimer
(17,146 posts)Like Carlin said, we’re not in the club.
thucythucy
(9,063 posts)At the very least that was the implication of that particular riff on politics. A variation on the old "there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans" BS.
I admire Carlin and love much of his comedy, but that part of his patter always turned me off.
It's easy for millionaire stars to push that line--Susan Sarandon I'm looking at you--but for the rest of us the consequences of elections are too significant to ignore.
alarimer
(17,146 posts)I don't agree but I don't really believe in our system anymore. I think there is a very good reason almost no other country does it this way. Because it seems fundamentally broken. Having only two choices seems wholly inadequate. One is very extreme and very bad, the other is better, but often too moderate. There is a whole lot of room to the left that we just can't have because of the structure.
And there is way too much money involved. That would be the thing to change, if possible. Especially "dark money". No idea how since apparently money = speech somehow.
GoreWon2000
(1,461 posts)Too many who could've made a difference in the fight to count the uncounted Florida votes looked the other way in order to further their own self interests rather than help Al Gore defend we the people's right to vote in Florida so I left. I knew 2000 would result in the overturning of Roe. I came back in 2022 to support pro choice candidates. Now Joe Biden has been treated in a similar manner as Al Gore was in 2000. While I strongly support V.P. Harris, I'm done with the party for good after this election cycle. The elites who trample the will of the people are only in it for themselves and not to help we the people. I'm done putting up with that hypocrisy.
Prairie Gates
(7,580 posts)I'll just add, and I think I'm within the Primary Rules here, that I don't see at all how Harris wins. Yes, yes, I will vote for whomever is nominated, etc. But I think it's going to be a wipe-out. I also don't see how anyone but Harris can be nominated. Quite the pickle.
Make plans, think about your vulnerabilities, and batten down the hatches. It's going to be rough seas.
DeepWinter
(931 posts)Going to see a dead-cat bounce then next week or two rallying behind her, but then conversations will gravitate to her significant accomplishments, which are few.
Still pissed at the Party elite power players making it crystal clear my voice doesn't count, take a seat in the back of the bus, we still want your money.
My heart still wants to write in Joe. But I'll back blue.
thucythucy
(9,063 posts)She's been Vice President, and a major player, during the most productive and progressive presidency since LBJ.
She was an integral part of the successful 2020 presidential campaign.
Before that she represented California in the US Senate, and before that was the California's Attorney General for six years.
Before that she was a prosecuting attorney for various localities, and then city attorney for San Francisco.
I consider those to be "major accomplishments." You don't?
Now let's look at the "significant accomplishments" of her opponent.
Multiple bankruptcies
Botched response to a pandemic leading to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Multiple felony convictions
Adjudicated rapist.
Twice impeached twice time loser of the popular vote.
Oh, and a bogus "reality" TV show.
I'll take Vice President Harris's record over that of the Slobfather any day of the week.
happy feet
(1,266 posts)cue the moving goalposts and extra high expectations...it's maddening.
yardwork
(69,111 posts)
I'm trying to be patient with people's emotions but I'm not happy with some of these comments... dead cat bounce, no accomplishments, forced on us...
Kamala Harris was elected as the vice president in 2020 and she's been on the ticket for 2024. It's not like she's an unknown.
orange jar
(878 posts)it's like some don't want her to win rather than genuinely believing she can't.
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)I am voting blue no matter who, and ready to defeat Trump!
LeftInTX
(34,031 posts)I was depressed, I guess. Hubby woke me up (yeah that's why this has been doing to my sleep), "Biden withdrew". So, I'm like, "It's over"
I was one of the loudest screaming about the donors etc. But in the end, it's over and now I'll make the best of it.
I hope Harris's nomination goes off without a hitch. I don't trust those big donors and some of the "Quit Joe" crowd.
johnnyplankton
(616 posts)The word I heard most was "feeble." He did a great job, yes, and the media sucks yes, but we all have eyes and what we saw was not the man who inspired confidence going forward.
PikaBlue
(474 posts)I feel your anguish and resentment and I am vehemently anti-oligarchy. When the news first broke that Joe would not seek re-election, I burst into tears before my brain had time to process that information. It's as if my heart absorbed the pain before I had formed a conscious thought. In the hours since, I thought about the archetypes that are the foundation of our myths, our legends, our collective family of man stories. I thought about the story of Moses. He brought his people a set of ethical principles, he led them out of captivity, and into a land where they could begin anew. But he, himself, was not permitted to enjoy the fruits of his labor or to remain among the people for whom he had sacrificed so much. I'm not citing this story in a religious context. I see Joe as the archetype expressed in the story of Moses. He is the wise, strong, leader who kept us together in the wilderness, and who brought us to a place where we must now work very hard to build a new community. I think Joe fulfilled the purpose of his life's journey. His story will last through generations. He will be the American archetype that so many of us will remember with admiration, deep affection, and gratitude. It's painful, it feels so unjust; however, Joe has led us to a place where we can start anew. Sadly, he may not have been fated to dwell among us in the same position as a leader, but he will always have a place in our vision of how we know things can and should be and in our collective story.
Skittles
(170,278 posts)LET'S MOVE ON
Blue_Adept
(6,499 posts)move on, ya wimps! grow a pair? Ah, you know the old canards.
PatSeg
(52,617 posts)most of us heard Biden was stepping down and somehow we haven't magically bounced back.
Many of the people who are acting insensitively possibly weren't big Biden supporters in the first place and they are relieved he's withdrawn.
ramapo
(4,775 posts)I love Biden but was hoping he didn't seek a second term. His polling wasn't great and he is 81. But I was all in.
The debate was his idea. Biden was going to show us. And sadly he did. I haven't watched it but I believe it was shocking.
It set off alarm bells everywhere. Joe is a fighter. And you don't give up the presidency on a bad night....but there was more to it.
The drip, drip, drip of pundits and politicians and friends telling him to steo out was maddening. Hey we voted for the guy....nobody ran against him. WTF.
The behind-the-scenes story will tell that there would've been a much uglier scene had Biden not bowed out today. It wasn't about money or policy or personalities. His poll numbers sucked and were getting worse and he was the central story.
I was sad to hear the news. I was relieved. And now I am excited.
Let us help Harris and her running mate kick Trump's ass.
johnnyplankton
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radius777
(3,921 posts)A landslide loss became more likely after the debate debacle, considering Biden was already behind, with very low approval numbers. No incumbent has ever been reelected with approval numbers under 40%.
The debate and subsequent interviews showed that he lacked the energy to make up that ground.
The fact that Pelosi (the greatest Dem political mind of a generation) moved to get Biden to step aside shows that this was not at all about oligarchy but about democracy and the fear of losing it.
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Deminpenn
(17,337 posts)donors. No nominee will ever be safe again because now the folks with big money know all they have to do is make a few threats and they'll get what they want. Just peruse the replies in this thread all saying some variation on "I'll still vote for Dem candidates". The powers that be gambled the 99% Dems would stick with them no matter what and they appear to have been right. Suckers is the word that comes to mind.
SoCal Roomba
(70 posts)Give the people a primary vote.
This shit stinks to high heaven. I’d have loved to have a primary, just to get some of the people I think are worthy out there.
Instead we get force fed someone who isn’t necessarily what we may have wanted.
Harris is going to have a ton of issues to overcome within her voting base, never mind the racist and misogynist “undecided voters” that everyone is so worried about.
Young voters hate Harris and think of her as a “cop” because she was a hard ass AG. Forget about them saving us.
Our only hope now is the women pissed off about Roe, and it’s going to take them voting in droves to win. Every Republican that just wasn’t going to vote at all will go to the polls, and it won’t be for Harris.
radius777
(3,921 posts)Recent polls show that she does significantly better with youth than Biden does. They don't love her (like they did Bernie) but they don't hate her either. She's a generic and acceptable Dem to most, which is good enough at this point.
There are Haley voters and pro-choice Repubs who will vote for Harris.
Deminpenn
(17,337 posts)young voters are, unfortunately, the most unreliable voters.
themaguffin
(5,007 posts)edisdead
(3,396 posts)especially if you go by our insider on the forums story here.
They forced him out. It smells really really bad.
obamanut2012
(29,257 posts)Mister Ed
(6,873 posts)The situation may have been forced on you, but Harris wasn't. She was the choice not of donors, but of Joe Biden and those who supported his ticket.
That, I hope, should cheer you and strengthen your resolve.
UniqueUserName
(403 posts)Not the nominee yet.
If Harris becomes the official nominee and soon, it will do a lot to restore confidence in me personally. If we get another swap to milquetoast white man, well, I will vote with the enthusiasm that that choice inspires. (I'm an old white man).
Doodley
(11,785 posts)Saving America from fascism is more important than any one person.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)it is time to remain vigilat from this day forward that the party NEVER does this again.
This was a terrible misstep. Just knowing that Dean Phillips was in part behind this makes my skin crawl.
My trust is shattered.
Doodley
(11,785 posts)
CincyDem
(7,344 posts)I’ve spent 65+ years believing we, as a party, are better and it breaks my heart to learn we’re only different.
Different in so many ways that are so critical to so many constituencies, but only different and only for so long as those ways sit well with our “donor class”.
I know so many of our party leadership are, in fact, better people so this isn’t a question of Harris being better than Trump. That’s a slam dunk. But she, and all the other really better people in our party are only where they are because the “donor class” allows it and…as demonstrated by the last several weeks…until they don’t.
My job in all this…voting straight ticket D in every election…will never change. But the joy in that job is gone and I don’t know that I’ll ever get that back.
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displacedvermoter
(4,185 posts)people who are genuinely saddened that they are engaging in "whiny nonsense"? Kind of like MAGAs and their "Fuck your
Feelings" shirts. Good way to unify people.
Arazi
(8,782 posts)Today.
Takes more than $$.
Get out there and do the actual fucking work of having face to face convos, talk to strangers and have actual conversations.
Use your enthusiasm to do something instead of deride folks who are uncomfortable with how this played out
Scrivener7
(58,920 posts)themaguffin
(5,007 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,185 posts)everything has become. We see the MAGA GOP where the felon's felonies and rapes and crudeness are ignored and even beatified, and we then equate that tribal sickness to fundamental loyalty to a long serving party leader. And we demean ourselves in the process.
Being upset about how President Biden is not the same as putting a maxipad on one's ear in solidarity with a thief. And we shouldn't belittle our allies by equating these things.
themaguffin
(5,007 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,185 posts)honest.abe
(9,238 posts)And they had these doubts long before the infamous debate.
Many feel just opposite of you and are now are totally excited and invigorated by the prospects of a Harris nomination.
Give it a few days and I suspect things will become more positive for you and others who have same feelings.
Cheers. Abe
displacedvermoter
(4,185 posts)telling us everything is going to be fine, and no caps! 🙂
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)
displacedvermoter
(4,185 posts)of people who are genuinely upset, and are sincere in trying to bring people together, that is the way to go! 😀
honest.abe
(9,238 posts)The alternative is disaster.
msfiddlestix
(8,172 posts)Harris will wipe that stinking pig off the map come election day.
When the convention rolls around in a few weeks, there will be a tremendous show of unity which we will of course need from this moment onward.
I'm saddened that Biden's health dictates the course of action taken, however I am happy for him and his family that he will be enjoying his remaining years with his family and doing the things he loves and not have to be burdened with the heavy load the office demands.
We are living in very weird times, things aren't normal and I don't think things will ever be "normal" again.
A few years ago, I worried it would be Kamala Harris up against the likes of Liz Cheney or Niki Haley. A few years ago, I was certain TSF would not be in the position to be a candidate much less the head of his ticket again, cuz logic would have it he would have been convicted of all manner of crimes including treason.
He's going to get creamed by Harris. I take great comfort knowing that, I beg you to think the same.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)I will never be able to ignore that this happened. Regardless of the outcome this happened. And it isn’t good.
I love Kamala and think she will ve a great president. But we gave into the money and that will be forever an issue now.
MaryMagdaline
(7,952 posts)I knew that when I voted for Joe in 2020 that Kamala might have to step in. I thought he might consider a single term only. When Congress dragged out aid to Ukraine, I prayed every day that Biden would live another week, another month. He did so great at the SOU, that I had hope that he could get through the campaign. Then I prayed he would live to be inaugurated in January.
I was equally worried about Kamala being ready to run for office - her political skills, not her competence. She’s more than ready to step in as President. She’s well known internationally. She’s been handling Ukraine and NATO. Our Allies trust her.
It’s quite possible that Joe was waiting for a good time for Kamala to jump start her campaign. She had to be as flat-footed as he was. Here she is running as VP and now all eyes are on her. She had to be emotionally and mentally ready. Her family had to be ready.
Long and short, when I voted for Joe, I knew that there was a good chance that the heir apparent would have to step in. It was never going to be pretty. God bless Joe for picking a VP who is competent and making sure that she was front and center on the world stage. She cast so many tie-breaking votes in the Senate. She shares in those hard-fought victories.
I always thought my vote was a team vote so Kamala stepping in and Joe stepping back was sort of on the to-be-expected list. This is not death; it’s not the 25th Amendment. Joe even got a slight advantage by waiting until RNC concluded.
The level of pain I felt this last month was like the slow death of a family member. Except that the death was by other family members knifing Joe in the back. It became clear to me that the number one issue with democrats and independents was Joe’s age. I didn’t see any way out of this mess. Joe found a way to bring honor to himself and the Democratic Party.
I know others who feel exactly like you. My cousin wrote on FB “I will never get over this. Never.” My heart goes out to you and all others on DU who feel this level of pain.
Chakaconcarne
(2,775 posts)You're going to forget all of the things these party leaders have done over the years....their fight, trials, investigations into TSF??
Makes perfect sense.
Deep State Witch
(12,658 posts)And the beginning of a new one. Joe was the last gasp of the "Baby Boomer" presidents that were born after WWII. Obama, born in 1961, could probably be considered the first "Generation Jones" president, but he was strongly influenced by the post-WWII generation. Kamala was born in the crucible of the Civil Rights Era. She will carry the torch into the future.
I understand that a lot of people are upset about Joe stepping down. I agree that it's disappointing. However, we don't know the circumstances of his decision yet. He may have decided this last week or earlier, but didn't want to announce during the RNC. A Harris win will cement Joe's legacy as one of the best Presidents ever.
Metaphorical
(2,605 posts)Interesting on Generation Jones—I'd not heard the term before, but I have long held the belief that we should be measuring generations (via family-size or fertility measures) from peak to trough or trough to peak rather than from midpoint to midpoint. This means that the Boomers would be from 1936 to 1954, and GenX would be from 1955 to 1973 (which agrees very closely with the way that most of the people in my general cohort see themselves, FWIW).
Harris is a year younger than I am (she was born in 1964). Most of this cohort is highly pragmatic, quietly political, lean liberal (but are outwardly apolitical), tend to be introverted and are usually scientifically or technically oriented. Most of us can remember being young children who watched Neil Armstrong first step out on the Moon, and many of us played with model rockets and similar toys when we were older. We were the ones that built out the Internet.
Like any generational clustering, it's a very broad brush, but I think what excites me so much about Harris is that she is typical of this generation in that she is quietly competent - she gets things done, though I think she is a bit more extroverted than Biden. She also has a sense of humour. This is something that no one in MAGA-land has, from Trump on down.
birdographer
(2,937 posts)That's it. End of post.
Deminpenn
(17,337 posts)I think there are still some politicians in it for the right reasons like Sen Casey, for whom I'll happily vote in Nov, and Fetterman, but most of the rest not so much.
I'll concentrate on making my little corner of the world a better place, help out my friends when they need it, continue to donate investment proceeds back into my community, look for opportunities to make a difference and support others doing the same.
Goodheart
(5,760 posts)The primaries were conducted before the debate disaster.
It's a GOOD thing that the current situation could be assessed and rectified. This is not just about you... this is about saving our country.
This election is not about what happened in the past, including your vote, but about what's going to happen in the future. I feel that your overall sentiment right now should be one of relief rather than anger.
lees1975
(6,958 posts)I've been wondering, ever since the name Donald Trump first came up as a possible GOP nominee, how this was possible in the United States. Here's a guy who has managed to destroy American idealism and democracy, make a mockery out of law and order and justice, and win nomination to serve as our President from one of its major parties.
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