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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAt this point does anybody have any doubt that it is gonna be Shapiro?
obamanut2012
(29,369 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,960 posts)which is something that cannot be forgotten.
catbyte
(39,152 posts)the US may not be ready for an all-female ticket. Dang, that pains me but there are a lot of misogynists out there. Maybe I'm just gun-shy over 2016.
PhilosopherKing
(416 posts)Right?
Also, Hilary chose Tim Kaine who did nothing for the ticket.
lindysalsagal
(22,915 posts)ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)Is there someone in PA who can replace him easily?
ColinC
(11,098 posts)Although I dont know thats the worst case scenario
ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)That Republicans have and will try to pull with nullifying elections the loss of a critical governorship is a real threat
ColinC
(11,098 posts)So thats somewhat of a relief anyways
lindysalsagal
(22,915 posts)With any questions. I heard them both speak live, in a parking lot, at just a few steps away from me, no sound system. Both very impressive.
Wiz Imp
(9,996 posts)Austin Davis - also a democrat - would take over as Governor and serve until the next election in 2026. Note that dems have won the last 3 Governor elections in PA with the closest being by 55% to 45%, so they will be in good position to win again in 2026 regardless.
Frasier Balzov
(5,061 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)BlueSky3
(733 posts)a lot. And he may appeal to Independents for his ability to work across the aisle.
Fiendish Thingy
(23,234 posts)They are vetting the front runners as we speak, and will probably wait for some internal polling to come in before making a final decision.
debm55
(60,612 posts)went for President Biden.
is why he will be the pick.
Roy is 67 years old...even as a good friend of Kamala, it doesn't help the future of the USA.
Andy Beshear....actually is a pretty good option too...but
think Shapiro is the strongest.
It will be between Cooper (just the friend angle is keeping him in), Shapiro and Beshear.
Take away the friend and strategic miscalc of NC,
and it's between Shapiro and Beshear.
Shapiro is the CLEAR choice, and to be honest, it isn't even close.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)radius777
(3,921 posts)though of course it shouldn't be, but this is America, and it would probably be safer to choose a Christian white guy like Cooper, who has a weighty resume. If we fail to win this election there is no future. He would reassure alot of whites and moderates that Harris is 'safe' to vote for the way Biden did for Obama.
Diraven
(1,898 posts)Before the Supreme Court decided otherwise.
Ursus Rex
(486 posts).. refusing to work on Fridays, mealy-mouthing platitudes, little or no fight in the vote count. I still have no good idea why Gore (or more likely the DNC) picked him, other than to normalize the Gore campaign after Clinton. In retrospect, Gore should have rolled out Bill as a surrogate instead of running away from him and his record.
spanone
(141,609 posts)Josh Shapiro...!
At less than 24 hours since the announcement, I'm holding all assumptions.
Man, DU is chomping at the bit like the media right now.
marybourg
(13,640 posts)Im sensitive to antisemitism. You know, with Doug AND Josh.
LisaM
(29,634 posts)The last thing we need is ugly - and they would be ugly - pro-Hamas demonstrations at the convention in Chicago. It would completely dominate coverage and disrupt the proceedings.
I am appalled by the anti-Semitism that's been uncovered since October 7, but I want the convention to go off without a hitch.
still-prayin4rain
(525 posts)ITAL
(1,323 posts)Could definitely see Kelly selected. Basically any high profile Governor or Senator from a swing state.
Music Man
(1,664 posts)*Twice-elected in a state that leans right, the second time by a larger margin.
*Accomplished a lot of progressive victories in state with a Republican supermajority.
*North Carolina is in play this time. Honestly, many polls show it not much different than Pennsylvania.
*He was highly respected as an Attorney General--four terms as AG, actually.
*Harris and Cooper were AGs at the same time, so their relationship goes way back. Given the short timeframe to selecting a VP, that matters.
*He finishes his term this year, so we're not losing a good Democrat somewhere.
*Grew up working on a tobacco farm. A bit more "working class" bona fides than JD Vance.
*Finally, good debater and speaker.
BlueSky3
(733 posts)info. Id love to see us win NC.
Botany
(77,323 posts)I like the cut of his jib.
nycbos
(6,715 posts)I have also heard Mark Kelly, and Pete Buttigieg, both have a military record so that could be beneficial.
A few people have mentioned former Joint Cheif chair Bill McRaven.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._McRaven
Irish_Dem
(81,266 posts)Renew Deal
(85,151 posts)Did something happen?
He just seems like the most practical choice in a lot of ways: midwesterner, popular charismatic governor in a key state -and hes on the short list. Nothing beyond that really.
hlthe2b
(113,967 posts)Beshear could be impactful in neighboring states, but KY is certainly not going to go our way--nor would it really help much if they did. Still Beshear would be good on the campaign trail with undecideds. Buttigieg is a tremendous spokesperson for us--presumedly would fulfill that role regardless, but he is smart as a whip and very capable. Those who want to go after him for his being gay are hardly going to vote for anyone but the bigoted head MAGAT and I can't really think those non-Trumpist indies would let that influence them.
Kelly brings a lot to the table but AZ is still iffy going forward and he may be even more important remaining in the Senate. (although I'd love to see Gabby Gifford resume an even more significant role as 2nd lady with her voice amplified by the WH).
I think the key remains both strategic considerations and Harris' relationship with them.
NoRethugFriends
(3,752 posts)ColinC
(11,098 posts)Although I would still maintain that he would have Midwest appeal. But man, I always assumed it was kinda considered Midwest/ or at least like a hybrid.
Metaphorical
(2,634 posts)is a curious critter - one part industrial Midwest, one part gentrified Mid-Atlantic state, one part Appalachia. It's the eastern half of the United States in microcosm. It's also the fifth most populous state in the Union, just edging out Illinois, and tying with Illinois for electoral votes. It also tends to be closest to Michigan politically - the two usually vote the same way up and down the ticket, so if you can take Pennsylvania, you probably have Michigan as well, so yeah, it's usually considered part of the Midwest.
lindysalsagal
(22,915 posts)It's a medium-religious state, too. So, it has, as a whole, an educated, mostly-employed electorate. So, yeah, mid-westerly.
They call the part between Philly and Pittsburgh Pennsyltucky.
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . although It shares some common interests with it.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)No name recognition for the masses.
Beachnutt
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underpants
(196,495 posts)flying_wahini
(8,275 posts)But if wishes were fishes
Metaphorical
(2,634 posts)AOC needs to stay in the House. I've pegged her as one of Pelosi's pet projects, with a Speakership in the next ten years or so.
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)Metaphorical
(2,634 posts)I think Shapiro would be a good fit too, but I think a decision has to be made about whether the Dems want the Midwest or want to make inroads into the South more. Both Shapiro and Whitmer give them the Midwest. I like the idea of an all-female ticket, but if it was purely pragmatic then I think it's a toss up. North Carolina would be an interesting flip - it's trending purple, but it's risky.
For that matter, I think choosing Mark Kelly COULD move AZ into the blue column more completely, and may take NV with it. Mark also brings an astronaut into the White House on the Dem side, which is likely to get the science nerds like me even more fired up (there are a lot more science-nerd-type techies out there than there are Tech Bros, FWIW). It's also an implicit FU to Eloon Musk and his Martian Chronicles, which is always a plus in my book.
It is nice to have a deep bench to choose from.
splat
(2,356 posts)As a New Englander, I've never heard of Shapiro or Cooper, and only a bit about Beshear.
Mark Kelly would bring the macho, hero vibe.
Pete Buttigieg would bring together the three-legged stool of women, LBGQT and people of color.
(I wonder if we outnumber the yeehaws?}
LeftInTX
(34,294 posts)kentuck
(115,406 posts)She is good friends with Governor Roy Cooper, I have heard.
But, it should be a strategic choice in a tight race like this. She needs Pennsylvania.
WarGamer
(18,613 posts)Not sure about the coattails in PA, although Gore may have helped Clinton take TN in 92....
Fingers crossed.
valleyrogue
(2,715 posts)displacedvermoter
(4,501 posts)wants Pete Buttigieg or Phil Scott (our Republican governor!)
Interesting woman, my mother
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