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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKamala Harris will be the first (and maybe only) Gen X President
Carter, Reagan, HW Bush, Ford, Nixon, Kennedy, LBJ were the Greatest Generation (born 1901-1924)
Biden was Silent Generation (1925-1945).
Obama, Clinton, W Bush and Trump were Boomers (1946-1964) (with Clinton, W, and Trump all born the same year)
No Presidents yet from Gen X (1965-1980).
Many up and comers are Millennial (e.g., Buttigieg). In some workplaces, Millennials are taking reigns from Boomers with Xers ever taking the lead.
Kamala Harris is on the cusp. Older categorizations used to cut off Boomers at 1963 and start Gen X in 1964. So maybe we Gen Xers can claim her. I would be proud to do so.
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EDITED: To correct info on President Biden, which I confused as I transposed info from a Generation website and a Presidential Bio website. I also added context on why I say Kamala may be the only Xer.
JustAnotherGen
(38,113 posts)It's our turn.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)I dont think Gen X will ever get a president. As an Xer, Ive come to terms with it.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)And will take what we can get. She will be great.
eShirl
(20,438 posts)I was born in the 2nd half of 1964 and I am no baby boomer, I am sorry. Solid GenX in every way.
"Generation Jones" is not a thing.
jimfields33
(19,382 posts)you cant change course now to suit our desires. Thats not how it works.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)So why can they not change and update to enhance their explanatory value?
misanthrope
(9,629 posts)Most of the hallmarks of my life fall in line with Gen X. I was a latchkey kid from my parents' divorce. I savor learning new skills. I have a distinct skeptical streak and am cynical about politics. I'm definitely a DIYer. I have a dressed down sartorial style, good work-life balance, prefer a casual work place and am tech savvy without being tech dependent. The underground and alternative music of the late 1980s and early 1990s feels like the music of "my generation." My peers that saw military action did so in Desert Storm.
I was a precocious kid who learned to read at age 3. My memory of events and culture stretch back earlier or more extensively than some of my peers -- I recall the first lunar landing and the Watergate hearings, for example -- but I don't feel like a Boomer.
Elessar Zappa
(16,385 posts)He was born in 1942.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 22, 2024, 02:08 PM - Edit history (1)
Correcting right now. Obvs had trouble pulling data from too many websites, and transposed the numbers!
Deep State Witch
(12,756 posts)As a Joneser myself (1964), I don't like being lumped in with the Boomers. My husband (1963) and I both identify more with Gen X than Boomers.
hlthe2b
(114,716 posts)The stereotyping of Baby Boomers totally fails to recognize that.
That said, Harris is a Boomer, if only on a technicality.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)Deep State Witch
(12,756 posts)People born between 1954-1965.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generation_Jones
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)What was going on in the US politically or socially has nothing to do with the label. The Baby Boom was a real phenomenon spurred by the postwar era and policies like the GI Bill and favorable tax rates for being married. Birthrates went way up for 18 or 19 years before going into a steep decline.
Island Blue
(6,287 posts)I have much more in common with Gen X.
Prairie Gates
(8,479 posts)Oh nooooo! Did I say "too old..."?!? Aaaargh.... (Yeeted into the sun)
FHRRK
(1,410 posts)Born in '62.
We were too young for the Vietnam, Woodstock stuff. Music, culture more aligned with Gen X.
Had tricycles, not Big Wheels, you might have got into Sesame Street, I was too old for that.
valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)It is birthrates. Period. The Baby Boom was from 1946-1964. The end.
FHRRK
(1,410 posts)Don't take is personal, but I have very little in common with my oldest brother born in the late 40's. No draft, no service record, vastly different music tastes, etc.
valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)WarGamer
(18,863 posts)I'm a 1965 Mid Westerner born/bred and my sleepy little town still had 1950's Coke machines in stores when I was a little kid...
I watched Gunsmoke, I Dream of Jeannie and Gilligans Island and Twilight Zone.
I grew up in a town where you got a job at the factory and put in your 30 years... one income bought a house and supported a family with a summer vacation every year... by car.
Music Man
(1,664 posts)Biden is not of the Greatest Generation, by the way. Being born in 1942, he is of the Silent Generation. Closer to Boomer than anything else.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)And agree. She was a young kid in the 70s and young adult in the 80s. Her shaping influences were more similar to late 60s kids than late 40s and early 50s kids.
Music Man
(1,664 posts)It's easy to think of Joe as "the greatest"
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)She was convinced she was in her mid 40s - that's the energy she projects.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)Not that these things are requirements to be a good President. But they can certainly serve her well as a candidate, no matter her age or generation.
lapfog_1
(31,981 posts)Biden is not 100 years old. so he cannot be part of the Greatest Generation. Born in november 1942. much closer to the boomers than the Greatest generation.
That would make Biden part of the "silent generation" but just barely.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 22, 2024, 02:06 PM - Edit history (1)
I transposed the birth dates and the generations, resulting in an incorrect categorization.
Maru Kitteh
(32,015 posts)Celerity
(54,896 posts)I personally would be good with a boundary of 10 years, 1957 to 1966, so the first two Gen X birth years tossed in, much like my own (I am late 1996-born) micro gen, the Zillennials, who are 1992/93 born to 1998 born, so it contains the first 2 Gen Z birth years.
Generation Jones: teens of the '70s
Born 19551964
While Early Boomers had major icons to look up to, Generation Jones was too young to remember these icons in their zenith. These Gen Jonesers were too young for Woodstock, the I have a Dream speech, and the assassination of the first Catholic president. The youth-driven counter-culture movement had accomplished many of its goals, and those kids that had been fighting for change were fighting for career growth by the 1970s. Instead of the idealistic and optimistic outlook of the Early Boomers, this generation was experiencing the backlash of an economy that was falling dramatically. This economic hardship and slipping post-war optimism defined the atmosphere that Gen Jonesers experienced as they were coming into their formative years.
Life at home was more different for Gen Jones than the more traditional setting that Early Boomers experienced. More homes were being forced into having two working parents due to changes in the economy and job availability. When Gen Jones went to school, there were not enough desks or books in the classroom because the school system wasnt ready for this large cohort. They werent ready to put their kids in the same situation, so families were beginning to shrink in size. The pill became available so birth control and family planning were easier than in the past. With the competitive job market and economic stresses, divorce was on the rise as Gen Jones entered their formative years, causing teens to spend more time working independently and caring for themselves. While this wasnt the generation of latch-key kids, Generation Jones was on the trailing edge of Generation X, which saw a dramatic spike in divorce rate and latch-key kids.
While the economy took a nose-dive, fuel prices spiked, the oil embargo impacted the nation, and job opportunities shrunk. Gen Jones had to become more independent and learn to fight for their future, because they quickly understood that nothing would be handed to them. With the tight job market, they knew they had to put their head down and work hard, dress for the jobs they wanted not the jobs they had, and develop methods of standing out. This was important for career growth, but at the time the main focus was on simply keeping their jobs. This period of fierce competition for job stability has stayed with the Gen Jonesers, who earned their names because they were constantly striving to keep up with the jones or jonesin for something more.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)His approach to economic issues seemed very Boomer to me in that it emphasized individualistic solutions rather than solidaristic solutions (i.e., Obamacare but no public option; largely silent on unions; economic development policy largely relied on individual education and training rather than addressing systemic issues such as monopolies and wage suppression).
Celerity
(54,896 posts)We have elements of both Gens due to our cusp births.
I do not relate all that much to early born Millennials (say 1981 to 1986 or so), and also do not relate all that much to post 2000 born Gen Zers.
I also have a not so common background which pushes me more towards the Millennial typology, as I skipped multiple grades in the British school system (I was born in Los Angeles, but left before I turned 2 and was raised in west London mostly). I also started uni less than 2 months before I turned 15 (due to the skipped grades), so most of my classmates since I was 9, 10, 11yo or so have been 2, 3, or even (in uni) 4 or 5 years older than me. I find the birth-years I relate to the most are around 1992 to 1997/1998 born (which are the same birth years as my micro Gen, called Zillennials or Zennials).
I would say I am 2/3rds to 3/4ers 'last halfish' millennial in outlook, and 1/3rd to a quarter early Gen Z in outlook.
Obviously this all is pretty inexact, as people mature at different ages, and also have incredible variety in all things to do with their lives.
Celerity
(54,896 posts)A significant degree of consensus exists around the date range of the baby boomer cohort, with the generation considered to cover those born from 1946 to 1964.
lapfog_1
(31,981 posts)The baby boom happened because the returning WW2 vets immediately starting having children... lots of children. My sister and brother were boomers... I came along much later... all of the attention from marketers to the fashions and trends in the late fifties and especially 1960s and the "tune in and drop out" and the age of Woodstock were things my sister and brother experienced as touchstones of "their" generation. Not me. I was too young. All of the new schools were now looking a bit dated by the time I got to attend them.
I have no description for "my generation"... as I think I was in between.
Celerity
(54,896 posts)lapfog_1
(31,981 posts)but I have always hated being lumped in with Boomers... and I sort of resent the entire "name that generation" as if all members of the generation experience things exactly the same and grow up with similar attitudes and outlooks.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)There are some similarities and shared experiences that people born at similar times experience similarly. So it is fair to try to make generalizations about how AIDS impacted those who entering sexual maturity in the early 80s or some such. But these are only generalizations.
Clearly, not everyone born at a similar time has similar experiences. Other things obviously color those experiences (region, religion, gender, class, ethnicity, race, gender identity and on and on). I would say Generational categories are not determinative by any means but in some cases potentially add insight.
Regardless of their value, the categories exist. And as a life long Gen Xer I am glad to see a cusp Gen Xer excel at something when weve been repeatedly categorized as slackers. Thats all Im saying.
lapfog_1
(31,981 posts)I like some of the music of the 60s, very little from the 70s (disco still sucks), a little from the 80s... quite a lot from the 90s.
My fashion trend that I have held since I turned like 26 is what I wear today... post pandemic casual (glad to see the rest of the world join me!)
I remember the JFK assassination... but only because we were sent home from kindergarten and when my parents came home I was watching the news on TV and my parents started crying.
I helped invent a lot of the things the young people today use ( like the Internet, the use of emojis, web browsing, etc ). I find it funny that the 20 somethings think boomers have no idea how these things work or how to use them. In general it is probably true, but not for everyone my age. After all, I didn't start working on the Arpanet until 1976 and by then, the idea was over 10 years old.
Everyone who is wondering just HOW OLD the technology we use everyday right now is should watch the following.
It's from 1968... and is called the "Mother of all Demos"
It is good to remember that we stand on shoulders of giants... and be a bit humble about what we add.
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)But as a relatively early Xer, I can tell you that 20 years ago the cutoff varied between 1963 to 64 to 65. I know this because I had friends I grew up with debating whether they were Boomers or Gen X like me. The years were not so cut and dried back then.
After all, we were named Gen X because we were a mystery. X represented mysteriousness, the unknown. It didnt represent the antepenultimate letter in the alphabet (which is what those who named Gen Z seem to think X represents). The social scientists developing generation categories at the time didnt know who we were just like they didnt know exactly where we started or ended.
All I am saying is that we can claim a person on the cusp if we want to. Just like someone who is maybe a Capricorn and maybe Aquarius can decide what they are.
Celerity
(54,896 posts)OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)This is one of the weaknesses of the categorization approach. Those on the fringes of the defined band of birth years will feel less represented than those in the center of the band.
I think they tried to correct that problem for Gen X and Millennials by making the band smaller (15 instead of 20 years), but that doesnt solve the problem.
Celerity
(54,896 posts)micro gen, the one for the Gen X/Millennial boundary.
Roughly 1977 to 1980 (with some extending it to 1982)
They are called Xennials (and also Carter Babies, Generation Catalano, or the Oregon Trail Gen).
Generation Catalano
Were not Gen X. Were not Millennials.
OCT 24, 2011
https://slate.com/human-interest/2011/10/generation-catalano-the-generation-stuck-between-gen-x-and-the-millennials.html
Last week in New York magazine, 27-year-old Noreen Malone (a former Slate staffer) wrote that her generation, the Millennialsbattered by the economy and yet still somehow convinced that theyll do better than their parentswere hoping for the chance to put on a tie and report to their cubes. In response, Gizmodo writer Mat Honan, who turns 39 this week, posted a screed on his blog that read in part: Generation X is tired of your sense of entitlement. Generation X also graduated during a recession. It had even shittier jobs
Generation X is used to being fucked over. Im older than Noreen but younger than Mat, and neither characterization rang exactly true to me (most demographers place me and my peers at the tail end of Generation X). I was born during Jimmy Carters presidency, a one-term administration remembered mostly for the Iran hostage crisis, the New York City blackout, and stagflation. The Carter babiesanyone born between his inauguration in January 1977 and Reagans in January 1981are now 30 to 34, and, like Carter himself, the weirdly brilliant yet deeply weird born-again Christian peanut farmer, this micro-generation is hard to pin down. We identify with some of Gen Xs cynicism and suspicion of authoritywatching Pee-Wee Herman proclaim, Im a loner, Dottie. A rebel, will do that to a kidbut we were too young to claim Singles and Reality Bites and Slacker as our own (though that didnt stop me from buying the soundtracks). And, while the proud alienation of the Gen X worldview doesnt totally sit right, we certainly dont yearn for the Organization Man-like conformity that the Millennials seem to crave.
So, half in jest, I posted on Twitter: Im not Gen X and Im not a Millennial either; Im some low-birthrate in-between thing. WHO WILL SPEAK FOR ME. To my surprise, replies flooded in: I was thinking the same thing today. I vote Generation Jem. Generation I Watched Saved By The Bell during its first run. Im born 77, I claim the Xers, just because its better than the alternative. But what seemed to be the best moniker for our micro-generation was a Teen Vogue editors suggestion: Generation Catalano. Jared Letos Jordan Catalano was a main character in the 1994-95 ABC series My So-Called Life, a show that starred Claire Danes as Angela Chase, a high school sophomore struggling with the thing that teenagers will struggle with as long as there are high schools: who she is. People are always saying you should be yourself, like yourself is this definite thing, like a toaster. Like you know what it is even, she says in a voice-over in a midseason episode. So even though the themes of the show are in many ways timeless, today, My So-Called Life also seems like a time capsule, and not just because of the Scrunchies. Theres no texting; Jordan leaves a note for Angela in her locker. Theres also no Facebook or instant-messaging or cyberbullying (just regular old bullying). It was a show that most accurately portrayed my high school experience, minus the dating of Jared Leto, in part because it aired while I was actually in high school.
Claire Danes Angelaand Heathers Veronica Sawyer and Freaks and Geeks Lindsay Weiralso fall into a trope of television and film thats an especially apt representation of Generation Catalano (or at least those of us who were white and from the suburbs): the girl who doesnt know where exactly she fits in, because shes smart (full disclosure: the struggle Lindsay has over whether to stay on the Mathletes hit a little too close to home), wants to be popular, and has to leave her old, dorky friends behind. The show or movies dramatic tension is then largely about her identity crisis as she ping-pongs among different cliques and wrestles with the seemingly monumental decision of whether to stay in on a Friday night and do her calculus homework or go to a keg party in the woods. Yet My So-Called Life and Freaks and Geeks each only made it through one season before being canceled; they failed to resonate with a broader audience. In contrast, the relatively bland main characters on much more successful, Millennial-targeted shows of the late 1990s and early 2000s, like Dawsons Creek, One Tree Hill, and The O.C., presaged the current crop of high school-centric series like Glee, Pretty Little Liars, and Gossip Girl, whose lead charactersmuch like Millennials themselvesare convinced that its not just possible, but expected to be pretty, popular, and go to Brown. (My Millennial sisterwho was born in 1984, and is now a lawyerwatched Legally Blonde and found much to admire in Elle Woods equal devotion to her wardrobe and her legal career.) Meanwhile, the post-Millennials seem solely obsessed with fame; hugely popular shows like Hannah Montana and iCarly reinforce the idea that you can be a regular kid whos also world-famous.
This urge to define generations is also about a yearning for a collective memory in an increasingly atomized world, at least where my generation is concerned. Indeed, where the Millennials tend to define themselves in terms of the way they live now, people in my cohort find fellowship more in what happened in the past, clinging to cultural totems as though our shared experiences will somehow lead us to better figure out who we are. The Internet is littered with quick-hit nostalgia websites like Im Remembering, which posts pictures of toys and TV characters and old photos from the 80s and 90s. Certainly, discovering that someone else also had a Cabbage Patch Kid does immediately create a sense of shared history, no matter how superficial. This aligns us more with Gen X, which has also always bonded through nostalgia. Millennials, on the other hand, seem to be always looking forward, imbued with a sense of optimism and hope that to us reads as naive. In her story, Malone writes that every generation finds, eventually, a mode of expression that suits it, but perhaps every generation is also granted, eventually, a name that it deserves. Though Douglas Coupland didnt invent the term Generation X (that credit goes to the photographer Robert Capa, who used it to describe the generation of kids growing up after World War II), his 1991 book of the same name was what made it apply to this age group. Millennials, on the other hand, have Ad Age to thank for helping define their generation; the advertising trade publication first used the term Generation Y in 1993 to characterize the post-Gen X cohort. Later, William Strauss and Neil Howes 2000 book Millennials Rising would become instrumental in defining this group; in his review of the book for the New York Times, David Brooks noted that kids have a much more positive attitude toward parents and adult authority figures than earlier cohorts did.
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Ex Lurker
(3,968 posts)Unlike "Leading-Edge Boomers", most of Generation Jones did not grow up with World War II veterans as fathers, and, as they reached adulthood, there was no compulsory military service and no defining political cause, as opposition to United States involvement in the Vietnam War was for the older boomers. Their parents' generation was sandwiched between the Greatest Generation and the Baby Boomers.[11] Also, by 1955, a majority of U.S. households had at least one television set,[12] and so unlike Leading-Edge Boomers born from 1946 to 1953, many members of Generation Jones (trailing-edge boomers) have never lived in a world without televisionsimilar to how many members of Generation Z[13][14] have never lived in a world without personal computers or the internet,[15] or mobile phones.[16] Generation Jones were children during the sexual revolution of the 1960s and 1970s and were young adults when HIV/AIDS became a worldwide threat in the 1980s. The majority of Joneses reached maturity from 1972 to 1979, while younger members came of age from 1980 to 1983, just as the older Baby Boomers had come of age from 1964 to 1971.
The name "Generation Jones" has several connotations, including a large anonymous generation, a "keeping up with the Joneses" competitiveness and the slang word "jones" or "jonesing", meaning a yearning or craving.[17][18][19] Pontell suggests that Jonesers inherited an optimistic outlook as children in the 1960s, but were then confronted with a different reality as they entered the workforce during Reaganomics and the shift from a manufacturing economy to a service economy, which ushered in a long period of mass unemployment. Mortgage interest rates increased to above 12 percent in the mid-eighties,[20] making it virtually impossible to buy a house on a single income. De-industrialization arrived in full force in the mid-late 1970s and 1980s; wages would be stagnant for decades, and 401(k)s replaced pensions, leaving them with a certain abiding "jonesing" quality for the more prosperous days of the past.
Generation Jones is noted for coming of age after a huge swath of their older siblings in the earlier portion of the Baby Boomer population; thus, many note that there was a paucity of resources and privileges available to them that were seemingly abundant to older Boomers. Therefore, there is a certain level of bitterness and "jonesing" for the level of doting and affluence granted to older Boomers but denied to them.[21]
The term has enjoyed some currency in political and cultural commentary, including during the 2008 United States presidential election, where Barack Obama (born 1961) and Sarah Palin (born 1964) were on the presidential tickets. As of 2024, the current and preceding vice presidents, Kamala Harris (born 1964) and Mike Pence (born 1959) respectively, are members of Generation Jones.[22]
OrwellwasRight
(5,317 posts)valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)The Baby Boom in the United States was 1946 to 1964 and is based SOLELY on birth rates. It has nothing to do with what was going on in the country. Birth rates are what decided the US Census to label this generation, and this generation alone, as the "baby boom." Understand that the Baby Boom was a real demographic phenomenon and formally recognized by the US Census. All other "generation cohorts" are fabricated by demographers and popular writers. They are meaningless.
FHRRK
(1,410 posts)I think the cutoff used to be '60. Much different experience growing up as compared to the first decade of Boomers.
For example, I am amazed at what my kids and others musical choices. At 12 years old I NEVER listed to music that was prior to about '68. Fifties music was completely foreign to me. Might have listened to some of the early Beatles and Stones stuff released prior to '68 but that was about it.
Coming out of college we had some very basic computer skills. Remember being one of two people (she was the same age) in my work environment who could use a spreadsheet or Word processing software. That was a foreign concept to people born in the 40's and 50's.
So it might be a fabrication, but it is real. Different experiences and skills.
tinrobot
(12,115 posts)Early Boomers came of age when the economy was great. They saw Beatles hit big. The men had to deal with the draft. Early Boomers protested the war, civil rights, and women's rights. They started the sexual revolution.
Generation Jones weren't subject to the draft, they also didn't get to protest much. Instead of a post-war economic boom, we had an oil crisis and a recession. Divorce rates boomed in the 70's, so lots of latchkey kids. We also got to see Nixon resign, which lead to a healthy dose of cynicism about politics.
Even the music and film was different. Instead of classic rock, psychedelia, and Motown, we had stadium rock, disco, and punk rock.
tinrobot
(12,115 posts)We came of age in the 70's, not the 60s's.
Generation Jones was home watching Saturday Morning cartoons while our older siblings went to Woodstock.
FHRRK
(1,410 posts)We had one, maybe two options of which cartoon shows to watch.
Below is my favorite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ramjet
Gaytano70
(1,279 posts)I am a proud Gen X'er (1970), and I think Kamala Harris is one of us (I think Obama is Gen X too)!
valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)which is the only thing that counts.
Gaytano70
(1,279 posts)Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)WarGamer
(18,863 posts)I'm mid-1965 and a borderline X'er
And even I don't feel like clean Gen X'er...
My High School didn't get a Computer Lab until the year AFTER I graduated.
I feel more related to my friends and relatives born in the late 50's early 60's...
valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)BTW, the other "generation" cohorts are mere fantasies and not real demographics recognized by the US Census. Only the postwar Baby Boom, from 1946 to 1964, is recognized.
Sky Jewels
(9,148 posts)How appropriate. We are the anonymous, forgotten, nothing generation. I don't even feel like I'm a Gen Xer, nor do I feel like a Boomer. I'm in that weird mid-1960s-born group -- the extra-nothings with even less of an identity than "classic" Gen Xers born in the 1970s.
valleyrogue
(2,795 posts)during the second half of the Baby Boom. They weren't "generation Jones" or any other phony baloney label. They were and are full-fledged Baby Boomers.
I was born in the middle of the Baby Boom, 1955. No way in hell am I anything other than a Baby Boomer. The Baby Boom was about NOTHING other than birthrates. It is right in the label, people. People who were born on December 31, 1964, are Baby Boomers because 1964 was the last year the US experienced a sustained high birthrate. These people aren't anything other than Baby Boomers.
ibegurpard
(17,081 posts)Is generally accepted to be 1965. She is 1964. So the last of the boomers. You can fudge it though and I'll take her. Probably the only one we GenXers will ever see.
MaineBlueBear
(457 posts)Obama as one of our own. There are different cohorts in every generation. Geography can influence these non-homogeneous delineations, too.
chowder66
(12,516 posts)I grew up watching tons of re-runs. Playing with their old toys.
When I hit my teens the late Boomers b. 1963, 64 and 65 were the kids that introduced me to my own generation.
They were still in their teens in the early '80s.
I find I have nostalgia for things I saw on TV. Like anything in Technocolor and a lot of 1950's stuff that was either from hand me downs or in our grandparents house.
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