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FarCenter

(19,429 posts)
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:30 PM Dec 2012

Downward mobility haunts US education

The idea of going to college - and the expectation that the next generation will be better educated and more prosperous than its predecessor - has been hardwired into the ambitions of the middle classes in the United States.

But there are deep-seated worries about whether this upward mobility is going into reverse.

Andreas Schleicher, special adviser on education at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD), says the US is now the only major economy in the world where the younger generation is not going to be better educated than the older.

"It's something of great significance because much of today's economic power of the United States rests on a very high degree of adult skills - and that is now at risk," says Mr Schleicher.

"These skills are the engine of the US economy and the engine is stuttering," says Mr Schleicher, one of the world's most influential experts on international education comparisons.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20154358

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jody

(26,624 posts)
1. Three oft ignored facts. 1. Not all children are capable of STEM programs, 2. there are not millions
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:45 PM
Dec 2012

of STEM jobs available, and 3. non-STEM degrees are a dime a dozen and too often the result of diploma mills.

I personally know several people who began as welders, plumbers, electricians, and carpenters who are millionaires.

They make more money and contribute more jobs to society than than many lawyers and arguably all politicians.

I also have many, too many friends with non-STEM degrees with jobs not more demanding than "Welcome to WalMart".

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
3. As the holder of one of these so-called STEM degrees, you are absolutely correct.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:00 PM
Dec 2012

There is no shortage of STEM workers, there is simple widespread collusion to not hire those of us that once made a good living and have passed the magic age of 40.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
4. Laughs because you are correct at age 40 so imagine the dismay at age 77!
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 07:14 PM
Dec 2012

Want to wish you a good day but I sense that would be unsuitable.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
5. Not at all. Every day is a good day to me (well, almost), I just can't work in my field.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 09:10 PM
Dec 2012

I have other interests and am lucky enough to be good at whatever I do and have a wonderful woman and friends around me.

So thank you very much, and a very good to you as well.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
7. yes and no
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 02:14 AM
Dec 2012

I agree that not every child will excel at STEM, and I think Obama is putting too much emphasis on STEM. Our entire public school system needs more funding, flexibility in its curriculum, and more focus on critical thinking, not just more STEM. However, engineering jobs are almost always in demand as are healthcare jobs. My husband was a telecom engineer and they always had a hard time filling positions because they couldn't find qualified applicants.

 

jody

(26,624 posts)
9. Agree STEM jobs are hard to fill because there are not enough "qualified" applicants. Agree with you
Tue Dec 4, 2012, 08:16 AM
Dec 2012

our education system is broken particularly for gifted students.

Gathered data a decade ago that showed for every $11 we spent on the bottom 2.5% of students in all K-12 schools, we spent 2 cents on the top 2.5% of students.

Those in the top 2.5% and others near the top are the ones best qualified for STEM degrees and similar fields.

I don't want to take away funds from the bottom 2.5% in fact I want it increased but, I do demand equal funding for the top 2.5%.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
2. downward mobility haunts US, period. 2000-to present median household income declined 8%.
Mon Dec 3, 2012, 06:56 PM
Dec 2012

The bottom 25% of the population already experienced this downward mobility in the previous decades. welcome to capitalism.

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