I think President Biden should fire the head of the Secret Service as well as the team lead on the ground

[Pisces]

Immediately! Accountability means heads roll now. They failed at their most basic duty and we don’t need these kinds of people looking after any of our ex presidents or current politicians.

This is the least that should be done. It was incompetence of the highest degree. I can not imagine this person in charge of Kamala’s detail. The secret service should have a come to Jesus and heads need to roll and it needs to happen now. That is what true accountability looks like in this situation.

I personally need to see some decisive action taken.

[MaryMagdaline]

1. Agree!

[MayReasonRule]

2. We Really Don't Know

We really weren’t there.

[4139]

4. We don't know but Secret Service does! Been 9 days...

It not about finding out everything about the shooter, that is separate. It’s about the advance planning, and on-site execution of that plan. Secret Service has all the info …. It’s been nine days.

[MayReasonRule]

68. I Do Not Know That The Secret Service "Knows"

There are those within the organization that know.

I do not know that the institution as a whole filtering all the way back to the Director necessarily is yet fully informed.

There would most certainly be those within the organization that would prefer to slow, impede, and forever mask the individuals responsible for the failures.

Additionally I would seriously doubt that the Director would have aired all of the details at this public hearing.

Joe is briefed all day every day, as is Kamala.
I trust that they are paying attention.
I trust that they are much better informed than I.

Hence my deference.

The director resigned.
It doesn't resolve the problem.
She is merely the proverbial whipping boy.

[Pisces]

5. We do know that they failed at their basic duty. Nothing else we need to know.

[Wuddles440]

15. While the initial indication appears to be such,...

any absolute conclusions this early into the investigation is premature. I served 30 years in Federal LE both working and supervising protective details and the information that has been released to date generates more questions than answers. There's actually a lot more that we need to know.

[MayReasonRule]

19. We don't know what happened.

Biden doe.

I’ll wait on rendering a decision until the facts are clear.

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. I read that they warned trump campaign not to hold events out in the open. But since

the trump campaign illegally siphons money to trumps pocket they are under orders to spend as little money on the actual campaign as possible.

So no, dont fire her yet, not even close.

That they need to RENT places to hold events that have security. But they dont when they dont have to so they can put cash in the thiefs pocket.

[tetedur]

55. Before the rally wasn't there a statement from the Erie Pa. mayor how Trump didn't pay their bill

from years past? I don't know if Trump wanted to go to Erie for that Saturday but the mayor's statement must have nixed that possibility.

[MayReasonRule]

22. Yes

Yes there is.

[MayReasonRule]

67. We Do Know That The Agents On The Scene Failed To Secure The Scene

We do not know why that happened.

We do not know where the breakdown within the organization took place.

Time will tell.

I defer to those that receive the highest level of intelligence briefings all day every day.

In this case I was deferring to Joe Biden.
I have great respect for the man.

Happy Tuesday, and here's to Kamala's election and our nation's collective success!

[Irish_Dem]

16. It is a fact the SS screwed up, big time.

It is a fact that the buck stops with the SS Director.

[MayReasonRule]

21. No Doubt Biden Is Better Informed Than Either Of Us

No doubt

[Irish_Dem]

24. Biden has been ill and a bit preoccupied, maybe you did not notice.

No doubt.

Congressional members from both parties were angry and disgusted with the SS director
who was said to be lying and evasive.

[MayReasonRule]

47. Happy Tuesday My Fellow Democratic Party Friend!

I do not assume that Biden is uninformed.

The facts in evidence that I have seen suggest that Biden is in the loop and is being informed via their own channels of communication.

I do not assume that I rather than Biden knows best.

[Eliot Rosewater]

62. It can also be true that they warned Trump campaign

That cutting corners with costs of where to hold events could result in this type of outcome and the warning was ignored because the campaign money mostly goes in the traitor felons back pocket.

[MayReasonRule]

66. POTUS Is Briefed Daily... Each And Every Day... You And I Are Not Privy To The Same Infomation

I defer to those that know when I do not.

Optics vary from individual to individual.
It's what makes our party such a large and inclusive tent of progressive prosperity and mutual enlightenment!

Turns out she resigned.

I'm eager to cast my vote for Kamala and her Vice Presidential pick!

Here's to Kamal's election to the office of POTUS!
Here's to reason's rule!

[Jk23]

58. We know the results and we know who's in charge

If the board fires the CEO of Nike because they basically laid an egg the last 4 years nobody complains that is the poor guys just the CEO and he's friends with somebody on the board so let's not fire him okay.

[MayReasonRule]

65. My Fellow Democratic Party Member We Each Know That Optics Vary From Individual To Individual

It's why the Democratic Party has such a large tent...

We are inclusive of reasoned views.

While I concur that the optics dictated a response be made, I have no idea who failed within the organization.

I do know that POTUS gets daily briefings on all things.
It's what he eats, lives and breathes...
Hence my remark that it's Joe that knows, not I.

Turns out the Director tendered her letter of resignation.

Here's to reason's rule!
Here's to Kamala's election to the office of The President Of The United States Of America!!!

It chokes me up just typing it.
She's an excellent leader!

[ProfessorGAC]

3. The Head Of The Organization...

...likely serves at the behest of the president.
I think the agents are civil servants, so the process to fire them is likely very involved. & time-consuming.

[former9thward]

32. True, but they can be transferred out of the protective detail.

[ProfessorGAC]

46. Good Thought

And, that would be unpalatable to, I'd think, the great majority of these folks who join SS to be on a protective detail.
Yes, that makes sense.
Good call.

[mopinko]

6. fire every agent the dogs bit.

[Hekate]

29. HAH!

[DeepWinter]

52. LOL

LOL, I hate that meme here. "Dog's know."

[LiberalFighter]

7. I disagree.

The fault lays with trump campaign primarily for scheduling events outdoors. That increases problems with protection.

Secret Service provided requests made by the campaign.

[DFab420]

9. Exactly this!

[Disaffected]

14. But that's not the immediate issue.

The main problem lies in having a protection perimeter of much less than the range of most rifles and, not securing a building only a couple of hundred yards from the podium. Add to that failure to respond to warnings that the shooter was spotted and the alarm raised by spectators about 15 minutes before the speech began.

It was a SS cock-up of massive proportions and resignations are certainly called for.

[LiberalFighter]

34. Again it was the fault of the Trump campaign

Scheduling outdoor events.

[Disaffected]

44. And if the event had happened at

an indoor event, would that be the Trump campaign's fault as well?

In any case, there is nothing inherently risky about "outdoor" events if proper precautions and actions were taken which were clearly not in this case.

Furthermore, is there any reason to think the Trump campaign was warned by the SS about outdoor events?

[Jk23]

59. I hate to be the bearer of bad news but all campaigns have outdoor events

Perhaps the Trump campaign didn't fall advice the Secret Service but come on this was a rooftop Within what less than a thousand yards of the speaker this isn't rocket science people.

[bucolic_frolic]

53. It was an interactive with state LE

[Irish_Dem]

17. The problem is the SS thought they took orders from Trump.

Their job is to protect him and save his life.

Not be a Trump stooge.

They need better training and to be rotated frequently so they don't fall under the Trump spell.

[yardwork]

51. Agreed!

The secret service had been treating Trump like a king.

[Historic NY]

57. Most likely there was conflict between Trump palace guard SS

and the presidential campaign detail

[Stinky The Clown]

33. Yes Yes Yes

The protectee bears a level of responsibility.

How cozy was his detail with his campaign? The tell for me was allowing the protectee to stay too long on the stage and that stupid fucking fist bump.

The head of the detail needs to go. Not sure about the director.

[DFab420]

8. Nah, the USSS has been expressing issues with the Trump campaign

For weeks. Telling them about security issues then being ignored

[Bluesaph]

41. would you be able to provide a source for this?

My brother, son in law and I have a running spreadsheet of established facts and this would be great to add to it. thank you.

[IbogaProject]

45. Some issues are not her fault

One there are budget issues from the stupid budget deal the GOP forced on us all during the recent budget and debt ceiling deals. Two it came down to no one in the Secret Service wanted to climb onto that roof. Finally his Detail might not be A-List as they have to accept the assignment and be willing to risk their lives protecting him. We can imagine that is the best filter for quality and physical health, beyond the actual minimum requirements. Again we should punt as much as we can, since the government is divided and the GOP congress are the main problems.

[LonePirate]

10. Dem Reps. Raskin and Frost both called on her to resign. I trust their judgment.

If she does not wish to resign, then Biden should let her go (if he can by law).

[Irish_Dem]

18. I agree, she needs to resign.

[getagrip_already]

30. He can fire any member of the executive branch.. bar none

He is the chief executive. He can exert absolute authority as granted in the constitution.

And, per the recent scotus ruling, he cant even be prosecuted for it if it breaks a law.

Will he?

He certainly doesnt have to worry about re-election impacts now. Just keeping kamala and his family safe.

[onenote]

42. Wrong. Not every action that may be unlawful is a crime. And immunity only applies to criminal acts.

And while the president can fire the Director of the Secret Service, that power does not lawfully extend to firing any employee of an executive branch agency. Firing individual agents would violate the law, but not be criminal. It would, like many actions that the president might take, be subject to a court order reinstating the employees.

[ViewObsessed]

11. No way. She is a close friend of Dr. Jill

She testified very well today

[Disaffected]

12. She did?

I didn't listen to the entire hearing but it sounded to me that she testified to very little.

Even the Dem reps were dissatisfied (with one or two calling for her resignation).

[Jk23]

13. I thought she was evasive. And her friendship with the first lady means nothing.

This is a real job not ambassador to Ireland. More to the point. While the secret service has many tasks it performs, it has one primary job. It failed at that job.

[ForgedCrank]

20. You and I

must have watched 2 different things then.
She is in full CYA mode, refused to answer very basic and obvious questions, and is banking on a doctored up report months from now to hide behind.
Her along with anyone else involved in operating that circus needs to be fired immediately.
We have a President being protected by these same incompetent actors, and they need to go, and right now.

[yagotme]

49. "How many pieces of expended brass from the shooter did you find?"

"I can't divulge that."
Riiiggghhhttt....

[Jk23]

60. It's a ridiculous self own there's a zero reason not to give that information

There's no pending legal case it was a lone shooter that's dead.

[ViewObsessed]

23. She is a strong woman in power in our Administration

I support her 100%

[Sympthsical]

25. Subtle

[Skittles]

27. yeah OK

sure

[TomCADem]

28. The Facts Are That The Trump Campaign Repeatedly Ignores Warnings Re Dangers to Rally Attendees

I am sure that the Trump campaign will insist that they are always concerned about safety and will comply with expert advice, but this just ignores the reality that Trump runs his campaign the same way he ran the country. We have also heard how on January 6, Trump was incensed that his Secret Service agents were ignoring his orders to take him to the Capitol so that he can help lead the insurrection that he incited.

The reports about Trump demanding more and more resources to subsidize the reckless way he runs his campaign should not detract from the facts that Trump has repeatedly ignored warnings and endangered attendees at his rallies. Likewise, the Secret Service has repeatedly warned the campaign about the dangers of his open air rallies where he stands on a stage unprotected by any type of barriers.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/31/trump-study-coronavirus-rallies-433760

Study links Trump rallies to more than 700 Covid deaths

President Donald Trump’s campaign rallies between June and September may have caused some 30,000 coronavirus infections and more than 700 deaths, according to a new study by Stanford University economists.

The working paper, released late Friday, examined the impact of 18 rallies held between June 20 and Sept. 30 by comparing spread of the virus after each event to parts of the country that didn’t host rallies. The findings illustrate the risks of not heeding public health warnings to wear masks and avoid large gatherings to mitigate the risks of Covid-19, the authors — including B. Douglas Bernheim, the chair of Stanford’s economics department — wrote.

“The communities in which Trump rallies took place paid a high price in terms of disease and death,” they wrote. Fifteen of the 18 events studied were held outdoors.
Trump has drawn criticism for continuing to hold events with large, tightly packed crowds in states that are experiencing outbreaks. Many in attendance, including Trump, have not worn masks.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/hundreds-trump-supporters-stuck-freezing-cold-omaha-airfield-after-rally-n1245065

Hundreds of Trump supporters stuck on freezing cold Omaha airfield after rally, 7 taken to hospitals

Hundreds of President Donald Trump's supporters were left in the freezing cold for hours after a rally at an airfield in Omaha, Nebraska, on Tuesday night, with some walking around 3 miles to waiting buses and others being taken away in ambulances.

Seven people were taken to hospitals suffering from a variety of conditions, and a total of 30 were "contacted" for medical reasons, the Omaha Police Department said in a statement. The Omaha Airport Authority had a slightly different figure for the number taken to hospitals — it said six were "throughout the duration of the event" and added that it could not confirm that the people were taken to hospitals because of the cold.

The temperature in the area was in the mid-30s at the time but as low as 27 degrees with wind chill.

https://au.news.yahoo.com/trump-rally-arizona-sees-11-133500809.html

Trump rally in Arizona sees 11 hospitalized due to heat exhaustion

Eleven people were hospitalized for heat exhaustion amid a Thursday Donald Trump rally during high temps in Phoenix.

Lines to the event at a Phoenix church began hours before the presumptive GOP nominee took the stage in the evening, with the temperature surging past 100 degrees Farenheit by then.

Several people waiting outside reportedly fainted from the heat, according to ABC News. Firefighters were observed treating people with ice packs, with 11 people being transported to the hospital. Their conditions were not immediately known.

The National Weather Service had forecast record-breaking temperatures in the region for Thursday. An excessive heat warning was administered for Phoenix through Friday, with residents being urged to limit outdoor activities.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/heat-trump-rally-sends-dozen-attendees-hospital-n1245397

Heat at Trump rally sends a dozen attendees to the hospital

A crowded Trump rally in steamy Tampa, Florida, on Thursday resulted in 17 attendees needing medical attention, with a dozen being taken to the hospital, fire officials told NBC News.

Trump spoke for just under an hour in 87-degree heat at the event outside of Raymond James Stadium to a largely mask-less group of supporters.

A fire truck at the rear of the rally sprayed water in the air to rain down on some rallygoers, but the heat was too much for some attendees, many of whom had been waiting for hours. Tampa Fire Rescue said one of the attendees fainted and another had a seizure. The other 10 who were taken to the hospital were just listed as "sick" with no other details.

The incident came two days after 30 rallygoers in Omaha, Nebraska, needed medical attention after transportation issues resulted in hundreds of attendees being stuck for hours in the freezing cold. Officials said seven were taken to area hospitals with a variety of ailments.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/02/politics/trump-supporters-stranded-at-rallies/index.html

Trump supporters at rallies continue to get stranded in chilly temperatures

Following at least four of President Donald Trump’s rallies in the last two weeks, transportation issues left hundreds of supporters stranded for hours.

In Nebraska, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Sunday night in Georgia, buses struggled to move crowds away from rally sites and through traffic. And after one rally, supporters were left to fend for themselves in freezing temperatures.

For months, the Trump campaign has bussed supporters from parking lots to rally sites as a way to accommodate the large crowds. The events have been held in locations such as small airports that don’t normally draw rally-sized crowds and often don’t have onsite parking available to support the crush of people and crowds.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-supporters-hospitalized-rally-heat-wave-1910311

Donald Trump Supporters Keep Getting Hospitalized at His Rallies

A number of people were hospitalized during former President Donald Trump's campaign rally in Las Vegas on Sunday following similar heat-related issues during an event in Phoenix, Arizona.

The presumptive 2024 Republican presidential nominee took to the stage in the key swing state of Nevada on Sunday amid a heat wave across western parts of the United States. The temperature in Las Vegas reached around 105 degrees Fahrenheit that day.

The Clark County Fire Department said six people were taken to a hospital, while another 24 received medical attention on site. The Associated Press (AP) reported that "most, if not all," of the calls they responded to were due to the heat. A further 97 people utilized the cooling tents emergency services set up on-site to help with the extreme heat.

Last week, the heat wave also caused 11 people who were waiting to see Trump speak in Phoenix to need hospital treatment.

[LiberalFighter]

35. Thank you not reported enough

[RockCreek]

37. This response deserves its own post. n/t

[Bluesaph]

43. thank you for these sources. do you have one for the assertion SS warned trump about not enough

protection ?

[2 Meow Momma]

31. He needs to publicly ask congress to fully fund however many agents they need. nt

[LiberalFighter]

36. Director stated need about 1,500 more

[anglesphere]

38. Before we jump on the SS for it's failures

I think we should look at the violent rhetoric and activities from Trump and Republicans that sanctioned the kind of volatile political atmosphere faced by the SS.

[brewens]

39. Trump has a couple guys that are dedicated Trump goons. I'd say his entire detail needs to be reasigned

and replaced with carefully vetted agents that will do their job. Part of that job of course being reporting any illegal activity they see.

They work for us not Trump. If he wants private security that looks the other way and protects illegal activity, he can pay for that himself. He should get Eric Prince to assign a couple of his scumbags free of charge.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-secret-service-detail-cheered-capitol-riot-author-2022-6

[bigtree]

40. I'll ring him on my red phone. Immediately!

...I have some influence

*Earlier scene in the WH*

"Hey, Joe, your red bigtree-phone's blinking."

"Alright. Joe here."

"Shocking news, Joe. You have more to do."

"What do you mean?"

"We have a demand that's come up from one of your DU supporters. It's a little heated so I'll break it down for you."

"Go ahead, no malarkey"

"Okay, here it is. No malarkey. There were three men in a boat with four cigarettes and no matches. How did they manage to smoke?"

"You know, bigtree, if I go into that I may say some things I shou... (crossing himself) No, I'm serious.

Alright, here it is: Look. It's simple, man. They throw one cigarette overboard and make the boat a cigarette lighter. Get it?"

"Got it"

"Good. See ya in the funny papers."

*click*

[DemocratInPa]

48. She should def be fired..

I don't care who she is friends with, or what political party she is associated with on this matter.. She failed at her job, then hasn't provided any information to the failure and why it happened.

The fact that people in the audience were pointing to and even warned the SS of the shooter and nothing was done is crazy. If it happened to Biden I would be up in arms and demanding that person be canned and as much as I hate Trump I really don't see much difference here.

The fact several Dems gave asked for her resignation is pretty eye opening.

[ecstatic]

50. True but aren't they already short staffed?

And now that clown RFK Jr has a detail as well.

I think Biden needs to shuffle the deck and maybe she should be fired if the issue is coming from the top.

Right now they need an immediate surge of thoroughly vetted agents. Obviously they will need to be trained and I'm not sure how long that takes.

Also, there should be a moratorium on outdoor rallies for now.

Lastly, in my opinion, Secret Service agents need to be more assertive in their recommendations on how to keep their protectees safe. The incident with drump insisting on getting his shoes and fist pumping should not ever happen again. It's reminiscent of the time when he tried to steer the car to the Capitol before the insurrection. He is completely unhinged and they should have knocked his ass out.

[moniss]

54. I'm not ready to call for her head

before we know more facts. The SS detail he has are his hand picked choices and are the same ones who are apparently nothing more than potted plants down at Mar-Ugh-Ghaslty since they allow anybody and everybody to just wander in and out of the place. That is all on record ever since 2017. So I guess maybe if you choose people who "play to the boss" rather than ever say no to him then maybe this is what happens.

[MichMan]

61. She had every opportunity to provide relevant testimony yesterday and refused to answer the most basic questions

She came to that hearing woefully unprepared and was an embarrassment to both herself and the Secret Service.

[moniss]

64. So think about it this way.

Since it is an active investigation is it smarter to not make definitive statements of fact in response to gotcha questions or is it more responsible to defer until the facts are known? So if she would have said, "Look you f'ing morons and duplicitous weasels. I know you want to roast my backside and you said it before I even came here. This is an active investigation involving hundreds of people to talk to at the scene and both federal and local. Sorry I couldn't just snap my fingers and make every bit of information jump into a sworn report within a couple of days for you but then again not a f'ing one of you wanted to ask my department and me how long it would take for us to complete the investigation. You f'ing geniuses and worthless boils on the side of humanity have never given the resources asked for and now you think I can just squat and crap out a 500 page report for you on demand with all the details of every possible thing that took place or didn't take place for days leading up to this Pennsylvania Klan gathering, what happened during and what happened for days after. Well stick your gavel and your lobbyist bribes right straight up your backside because we're conducting what's called a thorough examination and not some half-baked knee-jerk one like you clowns conduct so you can grandstand for the cameras and have your 30 second soundbite of righteous yet ignorant indignation. That concludes my opening statement" would that have possibly gotten through to anybody? I doubt it. I am no apologist for the SS and have stated criticism of them many times here. But at the same time what I am saying is also true about it taking time to do a thorough investigation rather than going with information and statements that you are not sure are verified and then having to walk them back later.

[CincyDem]

56. Looks like a moot point now. Reporting that she's resigned.

[yardwork]

63. Agreed. It's essential that he lead with this.

Right now, the Republicans are seizing the opportunity to create a spectacle,

[VBNMW]

69. Traitors shouldn't be allowed secret service detail to begin with.

That's not wishing or condoning harm. If you steal nuclear secrets, share them, wage a coup against the government while still president, no, you should get government, taxpayer funded, security.

Clear and Present Dangers to the country shouldn't be PROTECTED. He's a "billionaire" and he has a cult following, he could afford his own protection, or have his proud clowns protect him.