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speak easy

(12,591 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 10:43 PM Jul 2024

Trump (reportedly) dumbfounded by the president's decision on Sunday.

He could not believe that Joe Biden would willingly give up the power of the presidency. All the effort was going into securing a landslide victory. Only a skeleton staff were working on Harris oppo. No ads were being prepared against her; the RNC convention went ahead unchanged. Trump's team feared Harris; Trump did not: Biden would stay the course. Then, all hell broke loose.

Trump Is Planning For A Landslide Win
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campain-election-2024-susie-wiles-chris-lacivita/678806/

This Is Exactly What the Trump Team Feared
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/trump-campaign-biden-dropping-out/679183/

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Trump (reportedly) dumbfounded by the president's decision on Sunday. (Original Post) speak easy Jul 2024 OP
I am sure Trump was. bottomofthehill Jul 2024 #1
Trump's not that bright and the folks he thinks are smart, are just ass-lickers. OAITW r.2.0 Jul 2024 #2
Do not be naive, Trump's campaign managers are very smart. Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #50
+1, MAGA mistakes conniving for intelligent uponit7771 Jul 2024 #62
Of course he is. He literally doesn't understand people with motives other RockRaven Jul 2024 #3
Literally can't process what it means to act in the public good instead of his own. meadowlander Jul 2024 #14
The Sick Fuck is dumbfounded dweller Jul 2024 #4
That is why he talks about flushing the toilet so often! murielm99 Jul 2024 #55
He's just fucking dumb. spanone Jul 2024 #5
To be fair, things like calculators and probably keychains leave him dumbfounded as well. nt Carlitos Brigante Jul 2024 #6
and showers, and toilets, and home faucets, and electric boats, and empathy RussBLib Jul 2024 #9
And books with words in them. CentralMass Jul 2024 #29
Yes Surprise! TY.. That was fun to read Cha Jul 2024 #7
Here are the links Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #20
Mahalo, Ms Toad ! Cha Jul 2024 #21
Those archive links didn't work for me. SunSeeker Jul 2024 #22
It did for me... it was a really interesting Cha Jul 2024 #23
Hmmm. Not sure what to say. Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #26
Switch your DNS servers away from your isp. IbogaProject Jul 2024 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author IbogaProject Jul 2024 #28
Thank YOu! That ws really interesting.. Cha Jul 2024 #24
Worked for me! sheshe2 Jul 2024 #30
In a tiny, weeny nutshell canetoad Jul 2024 #8
Trump is incapable of unselfish acts that benefit other people. lees1975 Jul 2024 #10
lol blogslug Jul 2024 #11
Cry me a river in Alabama. speak easy Jul 2024 #17
Heh - the ol' Statue of Liberty play... Pinback Jul 2024 #12
They are running anti-Kamala ads all MotownPgh Jul 2024 #13
(no ads prepared before the convention) speak easy Jul 2024 #15
Sacrifice and selflessness seems to not compute to him. liberalmuse Jul 2024 #16
Narcissists like trump always assume that everyone is as selfish as they are... Wounded Bear Jul 2024 #18
One just has to look at Trump's comments about wounded military heroes. LudwigPastorius Jul 2024 #19
Looong way to go ... krkaufman Jul 2024 #25
It will be interesting to see this plays out. The polls seem to have show CentralMass Jul 2024 #31
People don't know Kamala yet. mwb970 Jul 2024 #35
Well, she has my vote and I am willing to be impressed. CentralMass Jul 2024 #36
If it wasn't planned, so glad the switch happened after the maga lovefest Hassler Jul 2024 #32
you could've just left it at: "trump (reportedly) dumb" nt orleans Jul 2024 #33
The loser is going to lose. mwb970 Jul 2024 #34
this just gets better and better Skittles Jul 2024 #37
Sauron's fatal weakness, in Lord of the Rings, anamnua Jul 2024 #38
Trump's campaign team are amateurs. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #39
Actually, if you read the first article, you will realize they are not amateurs. Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #51
I reject your premise. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #54
it is not my premise that is the issue. Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #57
I still don't see a lot of superior skills in Trump's campaign staff. Irish_Dem Jul 2024 #60
The only way to get it, is to spend about 45 minutes reading the Atlantic article. Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #63
Because Trump is NEVER WRONG . . . . . no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #40
I admit,after the statements made by the president that he was staying in, being very surprised when he changed his mind MichMan Jul 2024 #41
So, he's only for celebrating and naming things after people who fought for the United States. Mountainguy Jul 2024 #42
Trump would like to rename everything after him, speak easy Jul 2024 #43
I doubt the story. former9thward Jul 2024 #44
They did not have ads ready before the RNC convention. Or that is what the reporter was told. speak easy Jul 2024 #45
I am not sure what that convention has to do with it. former9thward Jul 2024 #46
They would have had something about Harris speak easy Jul 2024 #47
Read both articles; I assure you, you will believe it. Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #49
I don't know what Trump insiders thought, former9thward Jul 2024 #56
I just read both of these incredibly sobering articles. OMG Big Blue Marble Jul 2024 #48
Poor Donald. Biden never even consulted him first. DFW Jul 2024 #52
A necessary change of campaign slogan. keithbvadu2 Jul 2024 #53
TFG cannot conceive of someone carrying for our country and not carrying for solely for himself LetMyPeopleVote Jul 2024 #58
Some understand true power, some will never understand. republianmushroom Jul 2024 #59
MAGA isn't full of dynamic thinkers uponit7771 Jul 2024 #61

OAITW r.2.0

(31,305 posts)
2. Trump's not that bright and the folks he thinks are smart, are just ass-lickers.
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 10:49 PM
Jul 2024

That can't think their way out of a paper bag.

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
50. Do not be naive, Trump's campaign managers are very smart.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:11 AM
Jul 2024

Read the articles; they will chill you to the bone.

RockRaven

(18,617 posts)
3. Of course he is. He literally doesn't understand people with motives other
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 10:50 PM
Jul 2024

than his own -- which are sick and twisted if you recall.

meadowlander

(5,065 posts)
14. Literally can't process what it means to act in the public good instead of his own.
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:07 PM
Jul 2024

We already know he thinks soldiers are suckers and losers. What in his life has prepared him to understand what Joe did?

murielm99

(32,630 posts)
55. That is why he talks about flushing the toilet so often!
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 04:43 AM
Jul 2024

He probably stands there and watches the toilet flush, over and over. It is fascinating for his tiny mind.

RussBLib

(10,399 posts)
9. and showers, and toilets, and home faucets, and electric boats, and empathy
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 10:57 PM
Jul 2024

The lies about every little thing can wear you down if you let them. Kamala hasn't let them wear her down. Every Dem I know is PUMPED, and it's been a long time since I felt that.

https://russblib.blogspot.com

Cha

(316,394 posts)
7. Yes Surprise! TY.. That was fun to read
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 10:56 PM
Jul 2024

but when I go to the link it fades away. I'm too tired for a free trial..

Ms. Toad

(38,078 posts)
20. Here are the links
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:45 PM
Jul 2024
https://archive.li/MIx6G

https://archive.li/rh9bZ

(Just an FYI: You can get around most paywalls by copying the URL, then going to archive.li and pasting the URL in the first box. If it's been archived before it will come up. If not, it will take several minutes. Both of these were already archived.)

Cha

(316,394 posts)
23. It did for me... it was a really interesting
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:27 AM
Jul 2024

article.. I just went to the 2nd one.

Good Luck!

IbogaProject

(5,546 posts)
27. Switch your DNS servers away from your isp.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 01:05 AM
Jul 2024

Your ISP likely has archive.is on block, you have to move your name servers to someone else. It's how the web urls get pointed to an ip address.
Search this plus your operating system.

how to change dns server
Google
8.8.8.8
&
8.8.4.4
There are also
1.1.1.1
9.9.9.9
and others.

Response to SunSeeker (Reply #22)

Cha

(316,394 posts)
24. Thank YOu! That ws really interesting..
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 12:31 AM
Jul 2024
On the Republican side, it caps a frenetic four-month stretch in which Trump’s campaign went from cocky about Biden’s deficiencies to fearful of his ouster to stunned at the sudden letter from Biden doing the thing Republicans thought he’d never do.

They thought his "Irish Ego was too stubborn."

sheshe2

(95,518 posts)
30. Worked for me!
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 01:13 AM
Jul 2024

Thank you, Ms. Toad.

Will check them out tomorrow...late and I gotta sleep.

canetoad

(20,053 posts)
8. In a tiny, weeny nutshell
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 10:56 PM
Jul 2024

Part of being a stoic involves preparing yourself by considering every possible option. Both adverse and beneficial. In this preparation lies the path of success and happiness.

Suck on it repubs.

lees1975

(6,888 posts)
10. Trump is incapable of unselfish acts that benefit other people.
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:02 PM
Jul 2024

He measures the worth of everything by monetary value. The kind of consideration that went in to Biden's selfless act is beyond is ability to understand.

And this is the guy Evangelical Christians have turned to as their new savior.

blogslug

(39,074 posts)
11. lol
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:05 PM
Jul 2024

I know. I know. A lot can happen between now and election day but my goodness, these maga tears are tasty.

MotownPgh

(455 posts)
13. They are running anti-Kamala ads all
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:07 PM
Jul 2024

evening in the Pittsburgh market. I'd say about 2 an hour on both stations we've watched tonight. Border and lying about Joe Biden's condition. (With video of Present Joe falling down)

liberalmuse

(18,881 posts)
16. Sacrifice and selflessness seems to not compute to him.
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:12 PM
Jul 2024

They guy who called our troops, “suckers and losers” will soon be both.

Wounded Bear

(63,746 posts)
18. Narcissists like trump always assume that everyone is as selfish as they are...
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:31 PM
Jul 2024

That's how they justify cheating and gaming the system. They think "everybody does it" so are surprised when other don't.

LudwigPastorius

(14,034 posts)
19. One just has to look at Trump's comments about wounded military heroes.
Mon Jul 22, 2024, 11:40 PM
Jul 2024

"I don't get it. What was in it for them?"

He is mentally incapable of understanding altruism, patriotism, and self sacrifice.

CentralMass

(16,824 posts)
31. It will be interesting to see this plays out. The polls seem to have show
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 01:17 AM
Jul 2024

The Orange Anus up by 1.9% on Biden after the debate and up on Harris by 1.5%. Not an insurmountable lead but with a consensus that tha race will be won or lost in the electoral college and that Biden would probably lose the swing states and the election as as a result
Is it PA. WI and MI? I think so. The hope/bet is that VP Harris will poll/do better.in the swing states.

mwb970

(12,052 posts)
35. People don't know Kamala yet.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 01:35 AM
Jul 2024

As they find out about her they will realize that now they have someone to vote for, instead of against.

I haven't been this optimistic in years.

Hassler

(4,733 posts)
32. If it wasn't planned, so glad the switch happened after the maga lovefest
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 01:20 AM
Jul 2024

Happened after the Chump spectacle. If it was planned, even better.

anamnua

(1,493 posts)
38. Sauron's fatal weakness, in Lord of the Rings,
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 03:17 AM
Jul 2024

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:01 PM - Edit history (1)

which was correctly identified by Gandalf and formed the cornerstone of his strategy, was that he could not conceive of anyone voluntarily giving up the ring of power.
Here’s looking to Mordor crashing down in November.

Irish_Dem

(79,267 posts)
39. Trump's campaign team are amateurs.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 04:41 AM
Jul 2024

They did not have contingency plans ready.

Also the Dems are running a tight ship.

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
51. Actually, if you read the first article, you will realize they are not amateurs.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:17 AM
Jul 2024

They are surprisingly and scarily smart. And if Biden had not dropped out
they were probably guiding the campaign to a landslide and loss of both
house. in other words, a nightmare.

Even now, the Harris campaign will be wise to not underestimate them.
And we should not either. (The long article is really worth your time)

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
57. it is not my premise that is the issue.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 12:55 PM
Jul 2024

It was theirs. This was most likely this article that convinced Pelosi, the majority of Congress,
and maybe even Biden that he had step aside. It is chilling.how close they came to it working.

It was predicated on the perceived weakness of Biden and the actual lack of enthusiasm in
the base, plus making inroads into the minority votes in the swing states. And it was
clearly working. They and all of us were looking at realignment election that would have
destroyed our constitutional democracy.

Irish_Dem

(79,267 posts)
60. I still don't see a lot of superior skills in Trump's campaign staff.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:27 PM
Jul 2024

All the cheating, gaslighting, and election crimes are not a skillful campaign.
It is a sign of weakness that they have to cheat to win.

They are good crooks, I will agree to that.

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
63. The only way to get it, is to spend about 45 minutes reading the Atlantic article.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 02:47 PM
Jul 2024

The author explained that this was a far better and much more organized campaign than
2016 or 2020.

These campaign managers were implementing their theory of the campaign and it
was working. If you need proof, look at the CNN poll released today. Look where the country was
headed Sunday morning. They had substantially weakened Biden's 2020 coalition.
The only thing that was going to change the trajectory or the election, was for Biden to step down.

Of course it is a moot point now and they are undone. I would not be surprise if
Trump fires them.

And stop underestimating Trump, the cheating, lying and attempted steal of the government,
even the crimes and conviction do not matter to one half of American citizens.
Why? I do not know, but they just do not. Gaslighting works. That is why demagogues always use it.

MichMan

(16,514 posts)
41. I admit,after the statements made by the president that he was staying in, being very surprised when he changed his mind
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 06:46 AM
Jul 2024

I think most people here were as well

 

Mountainguy

(2,145 posts)
42. So, he's only for celebrating and naming things after people who fought for the United States.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 06:46 PM
Jul 2024

I guess that means he wants to rename everything named after a Confederate. I guess he also favors renaming his home state.

Somebody should ask him.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
44. I doubt the story.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 07:25 PM
Jul 2024

Minutes after the Biden announcement the Trump campaign had anti-Harris ads running in the battleground states. They were prepared for it.

speak easy

(12,591 posts)
45. They did not have ads ready before the RNC convention. Or that is what the reporter was told.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:11 PM
Jul 2024

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
46. I am not sure what that convention has to do with it.
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 09:14 PM
Jul 2024

Do you think the convention would have had a different result if they knew Biden would drop out?

speak easy

(12,591 posts)
47. They would have had something about Harris
Tue Jul 23, 2024, 11:20 PM
Jul 2024

or perhaps other contenders. Alternative History. Who knows?

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
49. Read both articles; I assure you, you will believe it.
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 01:07 AM
Jul 2024

They had a brilliant strategy that was working all too well. His campaign managers are
serious professionals who had became overly confident that Biden would not drop out.

They will have to reshuffle much of their campaign and are not really prepared
at all for what has occurred,,thankfully as they were planning to for a landslide
and a down ballot wipe out and it was working.

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
56. I don't know what Trump insiders thought,
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 10:26 AM
Jul 2024

but if they thought that then they were aligned with the vast majority of DU who insisted Biden would never drop out.

Big Blue Marble

(5,666 posts)
48. I just read both of these incredibly sobering articles. OMG
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 12:51 AM
Jul 2024

That was terrifying to read how effectively they were running a campaign based on
the perceived weaknesses of Biden's age and mental health.

It is amazing how close we were to the abyss. Thank you President Biden and thank your
VP Harris. Now we are all going win. it was the right thing to do.

LetMyPeopleVote

(174,158 posts)
58. TFG cannot conceive of someone carrying for our country and not carrying for solely for himself
Wed Jul 24, 2024, 12:56 PM
Jul 2024
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