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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsKamala Harris is not "childless"
She is a stepmother to Doug Emhoff's two children, Ella and Cole. They are not her biological children but she has been a parent to them for the past 10 years, since Cole was 20 and Ella was 14.
Sometimes parents are not beloved by their children and sometimes step parents are like in the bad stepmother fairy tales. Kamala is so beloved by her stepchildren that they gave her the nickname "Momala".
Kamala Harris is not childless.
https://people.com/all-about-kamala-harris-stepchildren-8681626
Kid Berwyn
(22,695 posts)Says a lot of love, that name.
mucifer
(25,498 posts)Celerity
(53,525 posts)
Kamala, Mamale
Why do Yiddish speakers refer to children by terms of endearment seemingly meant for adults?
https://mosaicmagazine.com/observation/arts-culture/2020/11/kamala-mamale/
Americas vice-president-elect has a family nickname that she says shes fond of. Its Momala, and it rhymes with Kamala and was given her, so weve been told, by her two stepchildren, the children of her Jewish husband Douglas Emhoff. Whether they coined it as a fusion of Ma and Kamala, or whether they knew thatgenerally spelled Mamale or Mamalehits a Yiddish term of endearment for a mother, remains, according to the media, an unresolved issue.
What the media have failed to point out is the odd fact that Yiddish mamaleliterally, little mother, a word composed of mama and the diminutive suffix leis used by Yiddish and Yiddish-influenced speakers more as a form of address for children than for mothers, for whom there are more common endearments. (Mamashe and mamenyu are two of them.) Hearing a woman hidden from sight in the next aisle of the supermarket say, Mamaleh, itst koyft men nisht keyn kendy bars, Mamaleh, were not buying candy bars now, you would be right to assume she was talking to her small daughter and not to her elderly mother.
Or else to her son. Calling a little boy mamaleh, little mother, is perfectly normal in Yiddish, as it is in Israeli Hebrew. The reverse, however, is not the case. Although you can also call a boy tataleh or little father, you would not use it for a girl. Its similar to bubbele, little grandmother, the bubbeleh known to many American Jews and even some non-Jews as a way of saying, sometimes affectionately and sometimes dismissively, sweetheart or pal. You wouldnt address anyone as zeydele, little grandfather, unless he was your grandfather for real.
Is there some deep cultural significance in all of this? Calling children mamaleh and tataleh, writes the Yiddish pundit Michael Wex, is a way of wishing that the child grow up to have children of [his or] her own. Leo Rosten makes the same point about bubbele as an endearment for children in his The Joys of Yiddish. It carries the expectation, he writes there, that the child in the crib will one day be a grandparent.
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wnylib
(25,355 posts)especially those from Puerto Rico and Mexico. They say "mamacita," which is "little mama."
madaboutharry
(42,025 posts)Their mother is not Jewish and they were not raised in the Jewish faith nor do they identify as Jews.
Those are simply neutral facts. I think it is important to keep the record straight.
calimary
(88,844 posts)Kid Berwyn
(22,695 posts)Being a Democrat.
calimary
(88,844 posts)Being a Democrat is being in touch with TODAY and TOMORROW.
Being a Republican is desperately clinging to the past - a past they remember in selective points/aspects that THEY approve of.
mobeau69
(12,207 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,089 posts)Same as when the Right insisted Obama was Muslim. No, and so what if he was?
It is important to push back on both assumptions: That being childless is bad, and that there is only one way to have a parent-child relationship.
I was a mother to one of my students long before I had a child of my own, as well as to an individual struggling with their gender identity in my extended faith community when both needed parents other than their own. I still (30 years later) receive mother's day cards from my daughter/former student. This is an extremely common bonding in the LGBTQ community, when we are often kicked out of our families of origin.
My spouse was a mother to our daughter from before she was born, but the legal relationship was not established until our daughter was in her 20s.
And, my daughter has some kind of parental relationship with our (originally unknown) sperm donor and his wife (and sibling relationships with their children and 3-4 other half-siblings for whom the donor was was the same.
It is important to resist attempts to denigrate any parenting choice (the choice to have no biological children, to have some, to be a parent of choice - not kin, etc.)
PeaceWave
(2,624 posts)Ms. Toad
(38,089 posts)we need to call them on it and also correct both the assumption that women's only value is as a baby factory AND that parenthood only arises when one gives birth or provides the sperm that gives rise to the birth.
My reaction is partly leftover from when Obama was called a Muslim. At least initially his response was limited to, "no, I'm not" without correcting the implied assumption that there was something wrong with being Muslim.
Farmer-Rick
(12,402 posts)Hillary had a child. They treated her like crap.
So as a women in the right wing cult, you have to have children. But if you do, they won't treat you any better for it.
MadameButterfly
(3,724 posts)Kamala's or Pete Buttigieg's children because they didn't fit Vance's idea of a traditional family.
In politics it has long been required even of men to have children and kiss a lot of babies. But women have been in the much more impossible situation of having to be supermoms while running super-careers to be considered both human. and qualified.
Male politicians often shunt child rearing off to their wives and don't have the challenge of the double role. Trump is an extreme example. Ivana said of their young children that Donald "didn't know what to do with them." He doesn't have the capacity to love as children need to be loved no matter how many babies he has sired.
Bev54
(13,147 posts)It is not a prerequisite for any job.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)No it shouldn't matter. But the truth does.
sanatanadharma
(4,075 posts)All that save the child, adopt a child desire for how things should be, requires voluntary motherhood, not biological stretch marks.
joanbarnes
(2,068 posts)progressoid
(52,491 posts)He had no children but helped raise Martha's two children.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)The post was not meant in any way to disparage women who choose not to have children. I'm a male who never wanted kids. The point basically here is that she chose to be an excellent parent to two children who weren't hers in the biologial sense. That to me is just another positive character trait to add to an already long list that she possesses.
TomSlick
(12,865 posts)Ping Tung
(4,119 posts)I reckon it's OK for male presidents to not have kids but a big indication that a woman would not be a good president without bearing children of her own.
Misogyny is OK with Repugs.
Retrograde
(11,370 posts)he helped raise his wife's son from her first marriage.
Harding did have a daughter by Nan Britton: she was supposedly conceived in the White House. Harding's wife was not pleased, which gave rise to rumors that she had him poisoned during his West Coast tour. Garfield also had an acknowledged child before he married, and before he was elected - he won despite his opponents adopting the slogan "Ma, ma, where's my pa?"
agingdem
(8,753 posts)5 children by 3 different women, slept with and then paid off a porn star, had a relationship with a former Playboy Bunny, joined Jeffrey Epstein in his pursuit of underage girls, and wants to date his daughter...and that's ok... but Kamala Harris, an accomplished attorney/former California Attorney General/U.S. Senator/Vice President of the United States and current Democratic nominee for President of the United States, is not qualified to occupy the Oval Office because she hasn't given birth...right?..Welcome to the 1950s'!!!
calimary
(88,844 posts)What you said! Absolutamente!!!
SunSeeker
(57,435 posts)obamanut2012
(29,134 posts)Who also attended the 2020 Inauguration.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)And about the first wife that they can have a positive relationship.
obamanut2012
(29,134 posts)The kids say that there is healthy co-parenting. People on here and other places act like your kids aren't your kids after 18, and just disappear into the world alone.
Tree Lady
(12,972 posts)and on my mind at least a few times a day, sending a quick text to stay in touch at least every few days.
They still need a ear to listen and now that I am older love to give me advice, lol.
obamanut2012
(29,134 posts)AllaN01Bear
(28,465 posts)hibbing
(10,517 posts)I hope women power us through this election...enough!
Peace
calimary
(88,844 posts)Just got a feeling about it. For whatever that's worth.
I am SOOOO eager for my granddaughters to see this, even as young as they are. It'll happen IN THEIR LIFETIME. And it won't be some strange and/or unusual thing. Any more than having a non-white guy as President for two terms.
It's time to turn the page. Let the new era begin!
SARose
(1,822 posts)I am a stepmother going on 48 years now. Yes they are my kids, too. Do they call me Mama? Nope. They had a Mama. I told them years ago that I was not there to be their Mother but to be an advocate for them. I have many, many secrets I will take to my grave because they trusted me.
I bathed them, read to them, bought clothes for them, had tickle, pillow and water balloon fights, fed them, pray for and love them.
I told them a long time ago they may not be the children of my body - they are the children of my heart.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)The point of me posting was that her being a great stepmom shows a lot about her character. And yes she is a parent, just like you are. Your tale shows what a great parent you have been as a stepmother and I have no doubt they are appreciative to have you in their lives.
This reminds me of Lincoln's relationship to his stepmother Sarah. He said that any kindness he had in him was due in large part to his stepmother.
SARose
(1,822 posts)For Hillary to tell JD it takes a village. 🤣
❤️
KentuckyWoman
(7,365 posts)JD Vance is raising kids he didn't birth either. I mean I realize the GOP is full of everything that comes off the stable floor. But... wow.
Attilatheblond
(8,123 posts)...any woman who hasn't given birth!
Just say "Well then, show me ONE male pol or talking head who has given birth. If they haven't given birth, they should be disqualified too by your birth mom requirement".
obamanut2012
(29,134 posts)To him, they are not actually moms, and have no stake in this country.
BurnDoubt
(1,362 posts)We forget the discourse level in "Murkkka" is set to Third Grade by Magalomaniacs.--- They just can't help being obsessed with the Female Reproductive system. Oh yeah... Third Grade... I forgot! Apologies to Third Graders everywhere. Take heart... you can still matriculate. Please Do!!!!!
Martin68
(26,933 posts)How do we lose to such a rotten bunch of losers?
onetexan
(13,913 posts)58Sunliner
(6,273 posts)AloeVera
(3,944 posts)And so true.
Sanity Claws
(22,322 posts)Vance said something about childless women with cats living miserable lives. But you look at Kamala and she has a great laugh and is enjoying her life. The ones who looks miserable are 45 and Vance. They look angry and are totally unable to give a genuine laugh.
MadameButterfly
(3,724 posts)children and or men to justify their existence. This is hard for narcissistic men who have wives as child-nurses to understand.
SunSeeker
(57,435 posts)And the reason is obvious. Moms have 2 full time jobs. The men in their lives, even when progressive, never truly share the work at home. Not even close.
MadameButterfly
(3,724 posts)and thought there are couples who can't have children, women who choose not to have children because they want to pursue other things tend often have some compelling reasons. They've made an independent choice, not the expected choice.
These are all generalizations, obviously. Deciding peoples happiness based on their family structure is probably pretty innaccurate.
VBNMW
(67 posts)No one sane cares.
elleng
(141,926 posts)and a tangent, tho not directly relevant to VPotus' situation:
Many families in similar situations chose to adopt, so the mother is not a 'step.' (This occurred in my family; my and my brother's 'birth-mother' died when she was young, leaving Dad with full parenting responsibilties for 2 young children.)
Dad was fortunate enough to meet a kind, intelligent and willing woman a few years later. They/we married, and thereafter she adopted us; hence not a 'step.'
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)I appreciate the stories of you and another person here relating their personal experience with this situation. I related the story of Lincoln's stepmother Sarah and the crucial impact she and her kindness had on him, and most likely our nation as he navigated it through the Civil War. Obviously your adopted mother had a similar impact on you.
summer_in_TX
(4,007 posts)Very helpful for those of us who want to counter misinformation with positive truths.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)And for understanding the point of the post.
ashaw
(5 posts)Thank you for writing this post. My stepdad has been present for the most important events in our family's life. He was there for my wedding, when my children were born, and we are fortunate to live close by, so we can see him and my mom every week for breakfast. My stepdad has been there for when we were mourning the loss of someone close in my husband's family after that person had gone through a long, painful illness. I admire VP Harris for her role as a mother because stepparents are parents. They support, care, and comfort as any biological parent would do.
bluewater
(5,420 posts)Who the hell is Vance to tell us what a family is?
Initech
(107,232 posts)BeyondGeography
(40,791 posts)They have an incredible relationship. When Kamala says she was crazy about Doug but the kids reeled her in that really resonated with me. Im sure that seeing him as a loving parent did nothing but enhance their relationship and her feelings for his kids.
So many people are in this situation and have had their lives enriched by a stepchild or stepparent, you wonder who the audience is for this nonsense. A lot of people are immediately offended by it. And when Dougs kids take the stage next month to sing Momalas praises the whole world will see what a miscalculation Vance made here.
Thanks for the thread, Doc.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)It's been gratifying hearing from people like you in this situation. I was just thinking about how great it would be to see them as the First Family. Divorce and remarriage, a POC step mom, a Jewish husband and two children who have two wonderful moms who co-parent. In other words, a reflection of America as it really is. It will be inspiring to see Ella and Cole talk about Kamala. I think they will be a hit with America.
oasis
(53,297 posts)until she accepts the nomination and they embrace her on stage. The audience will go wild with enthusiasm.
SunSeeker
(57,435 posts)It's so touching. I love it. ❤️
Plus Kamala is friends with their mom, Douglas' ex-wife. It really shows Kamala's character, doing what's best for the kids. I'm not sure I could do that.
karin_sj
(1,306 posts)So freaking what??! Are women of a certain age required to have children? Ridiculous!
JPPaverage
(620 posts)I have a step daughter who came as a package deal, so to speak, with her mom. I have raised her as my own since she was 4 years old. Shes now a teen and is being difficult, as teens often are. But she still calls me dad and she seeks a lot of advice from me.
I guess the point of all this is that step kids are taken care of and nurtured by the step parents as if they (the kids) were our own. So Kamala Harris is not "childless" like the magats say. Just tell me or TJO, my child, that the parents are "childless." Magats can kiss my ass. On second thought, i don't want their body parts making contact with my body.
krkaufman
(13,957 posts)Whatever benefit they thought that theyd get from it, it seems like they didnt bother contemplating how many step-moms and step-dads are out there. I mean, I know I wouldnt be pleased to have some politician driving a wedge between me and my kids, devaluing our relationship.
mzmolly
(52,585 posts)Not all women want children. This is such a ridiculous talking point by R's.
I agree that step-parents are as, or more beloved than biological parents depending upon the circumstances.
AloeVera
(3,944 posts)He would call me childless too, and that would be ridiculous and insulting. I raised two boys not biologically mine but I am their Mom because that is how they see me and they showed it by choosing to stay with me. Parenthood is so much more than biology. If they call her Momala, no better proof they see her the same way. She is a parent.
ViewObsessed
(70 posts)CommonHumanity
(338 posts)Is the fact that she qualifies a friggin' badge of honor. What the hell? Why is this even a topic. I'm careful to be polite on this site, but this offends me!
JI7
(93,113 posts)while his wife was pregnant.
We aren't the ones that need to be defensive.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)It was about modern families such as hers being different than what the MAGAts want, but moreso about how great she has been as a person coming into that situation and making it a success. She loves those kids and they love her too. She is to be admired for that. A few here did get reflexively defensive and basically misunderstood the purpose of the post. I've written in responses about the post and it's up to 245 recs so I think the majority got it.
poozwah
(390 posts)what the hell does it matter? small minded maggats have nothing other than nonsense such as this.
dawn5651
(743 posts)would he have said this to a man who was running for president...no
when will the republican male realize that no woman would have said to a male he is childless.
having children isn't a measure of you as a human being...having children is because you want them