BLM leadership is demanding DNC hold a snap primary before the virtual primary

[JohnSJ]

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/black-lives-matter-demands-dnc-host-virtual-primary-2024-07-23/

[msongs]

1. I demand that costco bring back the combination pizza and coke instead of pepsi nt

[Renew Deal]

13. I demand they bring back the churros

[LeftInTX]

35. I demand the convention serve churros!

Everyone would want to be a delegate!

[question everything]

43. Eww, they were terrible

[dem4decades]

36. I demand the sausage, peppers and onions return.

[Jk23]

61. You are the hero America needs.

Seriously, we need the Combo pizza back.

[edisdead]

75. oh yeah I can get behind the combo pizza drive!

wtf happened?

[Zeitghost]

83. Let's bring back chopped onions for the hotdogs while we're at it

n/t

[msongs]

84. hawaii costcos have chopped onions

[yardwork]

2. I demand that we all have the month of August off.

This is nonnegotiable.

[ColinC]

10. I second this demand

[yardwork]

15. We will not be ignored!!!

[a kennedy]

14. Right, I hate the month of August......

[question everything]

45. Hey! That's when my birthday happens. Will this mean that I will be 20 years younger?

[Walleye]

3. I demand that everybody stops making demands

[hlthe2b]

4. When you hold the gun to your own head

Probably best to keep your finger OFF the trigger

This is self-defeating…

[JohnSJ]

6. Sure seems that way.

[barbtries]

5. not this one.

#BlackLivesMatter

whatever org this is does not speak for everyone by any means.

[JohnSJ]

7. From the article

“ He noted that the statement represents the views of many stakeholders in BLM’s Global Network, but that individual chapters of the group are autonomous and may have a different view.”

[Bev54]

20. Global so does that mean chapters in other countries?

[sheshe2]

8. Yep, from the link.

He noted that the statement represents the views of many stakeholders in BLM’s Global Network, but that individual chapters of the group are autonomous and may have a different view.

[JohnSJ]

12. It is also vague in regard to those number, high or low?

[sheshe2]

24. I don't get why they are even doing this.

There really is no more time to FA! I wish that Biden had not been railroaded out the door by the big, self important money men, but he did.

Biden was able to get the last word though, when he endorsed Kamala. In my opinion she was the best choice after Biden, Looks like she hit the ground running and has garnered lots of support.

One point, when we voted for Biden in the primaries, we were also voting for Harris so I don't feel that my entire vote was taken away from me as it would have been if the "mega donors" had made a different selection.

[JohnSJ]

29. Jamie Harrison won't let this interfere with the process. They have no

standing in DNC rules.

[sheshe2]

34. I figured that was the case.

They just want to be assholes.

Have you watched the news? Two days in a row of non stop POSITIVE coverage of Biden and Harris. A huge focus on Harris and her accomplishments.

Also, some very uncomplimentary coverage of TSF and the idiot he chose as his running mate.

[JohnSJ]

38. It has been great Sheshe.

[LeftInTX]

62. It's been such a great thing. I think things are turning around!

I've been bummed since June 27th.

I even remarked how Trump was now Marcia, Marcia, Marcia and Biden was Jan.

However, now the MSM has said positive things about Kamala and negative stuff about Trump!

[wnylib]

41. Your last paragraph was exactly what I was going to say.

When people voted for Biden, they knew that it was the Biden/Harris package. So they already did vote for Harris.

On a technicality, they did not vote for her in the role of President, but in a second term for Biden, as in the first term, she would take the role of president if something happened to Biden. So when they voted in the primary, they chose Harris to become president in Biden's place.

Besides, members of a global organization have no say in this if they are not US citizens.

[sheshe2]

46. Great minds think alike!

Thanks, wnylib, exactly right. We DID vote for her.

[wnylib]

50. I edited my post to add that members of a global organization

have no say in this if they are not US citizens.

The whole idea has the scent of external influence - or attempted influence - from somewhere outside the Democratic Party, either domestic or foreign.

[Bucky]

9. This isn't fun for us, but this is how a pluralistic democracy works

BLM voters, if not BLM leaders, are än important constituency. I didn't think a pre-vote before the pre-zoomcall virtual primary before the actual convention is a great idea.

But people who stand 4square for civil rights protection do deserve some shoring up of the Democrats' commitment to their issues (just like labor or farm or homeowner or consumer protection or other interest groups do).

Give em a speech, a policy commitment, a cabinet slot. We're a Madisonian democracy: this only works if there's a lot of seats at the table.

[yardwork]

19. I voted for a ticket in my primary

Kamala Harris was on the ticket. The VP is there if the Pres can't serve. Joe stepped aside and Kamala stepped up. We already decided this in the primaries.

[LeftInTX]

21. The roll call vote is more important. I don't think they were really Biden supporters to begin with.

I know the article states they are, but they were anti-Biden due to his stance on Gaza.

We need that roll call vote, so that Kamala's fundraising is legit and so that we can have her name on the Ohio ballot.


I also would not want a nominating process that takes three days. And that is exactly what would happen. Then we would lose quorum and the convention would be adjourned. (This actually happened at the TDP convention last month)
It would make horrific TV....

In Texas, everyone was fighting, in the meanwhile hundreds of delegates had left El Paso. Someone requested a roll call. It was established there was no longer quorum. The convention was adjourned without further business.

The delegates were pissed....

We could end up without a nominee before the state deadlines. (Which is like a day after the convention is scheduled to adjourn)

[Ms. Toad]

23. The Democratic nominee for president will be on the Ohio ballot,

Whether the vote is held remotely or at the convention. The deadline is September 1 . The law amending the statute to provide for the September 1 deadline passed by a bipartisan vote in special session, called by a Republican Governor, will be in effect then, as confirmed by the Republican SOS - charged with administering election laws.

[LeftInTX]

31. AOC mentioned something about the effective date of the law, which indicated it could possibly be repealed if they

wanted to pull dirty tricks.

[Ms. Toad]

63. It can't be repealed by the legislature.

There would be the same 90-day problem for a legislative repeal that makes the tight timing for the fix in the first place. The earliest date of a legislative repeal would be October 22nd, long after the ballot was settled and early voting had begun.

The 90 days is to allow for the possibility of a voter referendum to prevent a law from taking effect. They would have to collect signatures and put a referendum on the ballot to allow voters to vote on it. I am not aware of that process ever being used by voters to prevent a law passed by the legislature from taking effect. (It is used to pass constitutional amendments, and less frequently laws - but I don't recall, and can't find, any law prevented from taking effect because of a voter referendum.)

[Bucky]

30. That's several good points

No one's gonna muddy the nomination process. That's all but a done deal now. I'm not saying capitulate to them. I literally said a snap primary is "not a great idea." I'm saying listen to them. Throw them a bone.

Frankly we need to throw a bone to the Gaza-sympathetic voters too. They're also an interest group that sway voters.

The leaders of these fringe groups won't ever be happy. Their positions depend to an extent on maintaining the latitude to gripe. Tell me the Democratic interest group that that is not true of.

But the multi-issue voters who listen to the activist voices on a number of progressive causes (you yourself might be one of them -- AARP, much?) truly do need to hear that we take issues like Gaza and police violence seriously and are offering real solutions.

Real leaders like Kamala & Joe can at least sit down with and listen to the dissident groups in our society. That's literally what makes us civil.

[LiberalFighter]

22. Those seats at the table are for the delegates

Not for a power grabbing jerk from an outside group that may or may not represent anyone.

I may be wrong but their status as a Section 501(c)(3) organization may make involvement in politics a violation.

[Bucky]

37. Sorry, appeal to authority arguments will never work on me

Saying "only the delegate get a vote" is at its roots is an undemocratic argument.

Protestors & dissidents matter in a real democracy. Voting alone, in primaries, conventions, and general election are not the only way democracy works.

The public discussion, the messy airing of grievances, the angry blog post, the public demonstration... this is the soul of democracy. (You may note I just described the First Amendment)

So yes, the movement/activist progressives who look too the Democratic Party to get a fraction of their issues head play a critical role in our system... and in our party's success frankly. We blow them off at our peril. That's the lesson of Chicago 1968. The protestors weren't wrong; the authorities were too inflexible. If NYC's Lindsay had been mayor of Chicago instead of Daley, we could've won in November '68.

Let's not repeat that mistake. Let's listen to all factions, get their followers a reason to vote for us, and not be so cocky with the complainers. They really are patriots.

[LiberalFighter]

40. The delegates consist of many factions.

[Bucky]

51. That's a much better argument

But not being a delegate shouldn't mean you can't raise your voice and concerns at a representative assembly like the DNC. Refusing to listen to activists who speak to our own issues* is hubris.

*( for the purpose of this discussion I'm assuming that reducing police violence is a shared concern of the Democratic Party; ymmv )

[stopdiggin]

53. nobody (that I see) is saying anything about taking away anyone's 1st Amend rights

The public forum is not closed - and these people have a perfect right to air what grievance or issues they might have. Additionally, if any 'members' here are in fact delegates - they have a right to bring those issues along with them to the convention. The objection here is that non delegate, and non party interests be allow to dictate 'process' (for the convention and nomination)

[LeftInTX]

54. It's in the rules. If you don't like it, join the DNC be a member of the rules committee.

But if you wanna join the DNC, you first must be elected and there is competition and campaigning. https://www.texasdemocrats.org/executive-committee


https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/2024-Call-for-Convention.pdf

https://democrats.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/DNC-Charter-Bylaws-10.09.2021.pdf

[Bucky]

55. Thank you. Mayor Daley would be proud

I'm more relieved that you haven't joined the DNC if your approach to activists & demonstrators is "shut up and go away"

Real leadership involves dialog. I'm sorry you can't see that

[LeftInTX]

56. I'm not a member of the DNC or even the TDP. I am a member of the Bexar County Dem Party CEC.

These rules and laws are also governed by states and federal laws. We can't have a "free for all".

All CEC's and the two state parties are covered by the Texas Election Code: https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/EL/htm/EL.171.htm

Presidential candidates must be certified 74 days before the election to be on the Texas ballot
https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/Docs/EL/htm/EL.192.htm


Order is part of every organization. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert's_Rules_of_Order

A U.S. Army officer, Henry Martyn Robert (1837–1923), saw a need for a standard of parliamentary procedure while living in San Francisco. He found San Francisco in the mid-to-late 19th century to be a chaotic place where meetings of any kind tended to be tumultuous, with little consistency of procedure and with people of many nationalities and traditions thrown together.

[Bucky]

58. You and I are having two different, non mutually exclusive discussions

I didn't even think you're reading my posts accurately.

[LeftInTX]

59. I am, but we've already delegated the process to delegates who were elected at the state conventions.

They are the ones who will be nominating the candidate. The parties are not activist organizations. Nominating a president is the most serious business of the party and it is done by elected delegates.

But the delegates don't make the rules. The DNC makes the rules for the delegates to follow.

[Renew Deal]

11. How are we doing that?

[Bucky]

47. BLM has a beef with Kamala.

It's only cause she was a DA & AG.
Their leaders shout "ACAB" like a mantra. Their leaders aren't swayable.

But for every committee of 10 inflexible activists, there are 1000 voters who listen to them and there are 10,000 voters who get their newsletters and take in what they say in their decision making. You didn't go for the ten, you market to the eleven thousand.

Talking to the ten, making it a photo op, giving some public assurance of how we will tackle their legitimate issues, getting our policy proposals in the news or in the Xitter feeds of the eleven thousand.... that's how you get the concerned & frustrated voters to come over and vote for us in November. Maybe not all, but you add to our vote total (and you might even do the right thing).

People don't need their issues entirely solved; they just need hope and dialog and a legit sign of progress.

[LiberalFighter]

16. What gives Shalomyah Bowers the idea he can make the demand?

I doubt he has the support to make the demand

[lindysalsagal]

17. Huh? Primary? What?

[Retrograde]

18. How and by whom will this "snap primary" be done?

And who is going to pay for it?

This sounds like the mini-primary proposals that were going around last week, proposed by people who don't know what goes in to running a primary, or other elections for that matter.

[BlueTsunami2018]

25. Not going to happen.

Get on board or get out of the way. We didn’t have time for their nonsense before, we really don’t have time for it now.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Black Voters Matter

Wants a word with them. You guys seen the founder of BVM?

I think BLM is going to be going through some things.

[LeftInTX]

33. Awesome!!!

https://blackvotersmatterfund.org/

[JustAnotherGen]

73. LaTosha Brown is a co-founder

https://blackvotersmatterfund.org/our-purpose/

She's just amazing!

[MoonchildCA]

27. She doesn't even have an opponent.

Who is supposed to participate in this primary?

[captain queeg]

28. Trump demands he be reimbursed for all the millions he's wasted on anti Biden adds.

[Cha]

66. lol

[Traildogbob]

32. Let's just see

How Chief Advisor the President Trump, Stephen Miller, will listen to a damn word they have to say if they destroy this momentum and victory by throwing sticks into the spokes at this time.
Not much demanding gonna go any damn where then. BLM will be the first rounded up under Trump regime.

[ViewObsessed]

39. We need unity!

[Cha]

42. What does that mean and why?

Thanks I’m on the bus 🚎.

[iluvtennis]

44. We really don't need this divisive shit right now - stop it. n/ t

[ViewObsessed]

57. Yes!

Dissent is wrong!

[obamanut2012]

67. Welcone to DU

[GoneOffShore]

69. Welcome to DU - Now read the rules.

[Torchlight]

82. It does not follow.

But I'm sure it's very serious. Now good luck!

[live love laugh]

48. I demand that idiots recognize BLM is a sentiment

moreso than an organization.

Just because somebody decided to prop themselves up as the “head” of an organization with the BLM name. — conveniently giving Republicans a target to try to destroy the sentiment — it doesn’t mean the organization represents the millions who simply believe in the sentiment.

[B.See]

60. THIS. BLM is a sentiment, a movement, and even as an organization not centralized...

It's comprised of many factions, and sometimes not ALWAYS in agreement. So Bowers doesn't speak for the whole of BLM contrary to Reuter's implying otherwise.

It's just unfortunate, I think, when those who claim to, occasionally do a disservice to the whole.

[ecstatic]

64. Bingo! It is decentralized.

There is no leader really. Some of the posts that were made today were clearly from someone from another country. Definitely not anyone with the authority to speak on behalf of black Americans.

[captain queeg]

71. Bureau of Land Management.

[Wednesdays]

49. How is a snap primary different from a virtual primary?

[ms liberty]

52. And I demand Bojangles bring back their delicious Roasted Chicken Bites

[Charmin One]

65. It's a moot point now

Just about all the potential candidates put their support behind Kamala.

[JohnSJ]

68. I agree and Jamie Harrison is not going to let anything divide or derail

[electric_blue68]

70. If it was mostly from a non-USA'r their opinion has no weight...

I'm white, and i have listened, read, seen some videos Pre-George Floyd about police aggresiveness, and violence towards Black people for decades, including infamous cases here in NYC.

I seriously empathize with the anguish of BLM, and trying to change policy. Bring bad police individuals to justice, and eliminating racist perceptions that translate into bad policing practices.
The slog to equality continues!

I wouldn't know if some small amount cases that KH in California dealt with were erroneous.
Otoh - she has certainly spoke of Voting Rights/Freedom pre this change in her status, and recently adding Project 2025 - so she has serious commitments to these issues.

I was saddened to see Biden drop out. And I really like KH, and will enthusiastically campaign for her, as well as against drumphf.

[MistakenLamb]

72. No one cares about "official' BLM like no one every black activist I follow rolls their eyes at them

They are grifters and a joke

[Kid Berwyn]

74. Guy must need money.

Otherwise, why open his mouth when his org has zero legal standing with the DNC?

[karynnj]

76. In a nonhierarchical organization, who can be called the leadership

It seems to me that the slogan and its meaning are the essence of Black Lives Matter. It seems that many people in many places have defined themselves as the local "black lives matter".

Here, they speak of the snap primary to let black voices to be heard. However if insuring that all Democrats be heard, isn't this an instances when all voices are heard? The fact is it would be exceedingly difficult to design that snap poll. What would the logistics be and what population could vote? Only registered Democrats and people who voted in the Democratic primary? We already voted and the delegates reflect that vite.

[JohnSJ]

78. African American voices in Congress through the Congressional Black Caucus have

overwhelmingly endorsed VP Harris for President.

[karynnj]

80. Absolutely true and they and others are elected African American leaders.

[Voltaire2]

77. That is literally nonsense.

First BLM is a decentralized organization, so this is some self appointed ‘leader’ of some blm group.

Secondly there is simply no process or mechanism to hold primaries outside of state operated and regulated elections.

Even if magically the infrastructure for a national primary existed, there is insufficient time before state deadlines get in the way, which is why the DNC had already organized a virtual roll call to complete the nomination before the end of this month.

And finally- fuck this noise. We need zero more internal drama.

[JohnSJ]

79. It won't go anywhere.

[TheRealNorth]

81. Could care less

We have enough divisions that I don't think we need to start stoking racial ones as well.

Besides, there are a lot of "demands" other special interest groups make - you just don't hear about them because there are donations and other quid pro quo attached.