there's some question about whether or not it's a bullet

[BootinUp]

[Delphinus]

1. Finally!

Someone in a high position thinking what I've been thinking.

[Scrivener7]

2. Or one of those tiny little razors, like the WWF always used so they could give the audience some blood to look at.

He was all involved with the WWF at one point, wasn't he?

[Solomon]

35. Look at the pictures. There's no blood at all on his right hand and shirt sleeve. Its white as the pure driven snow.

He gave two speeches lying about his right hand "covered in blood". I was watching when it happened. My first reaction was he used a razor.

[Bucky]

36. His face was bloody. Or ketchuppy

Of course, given Trump's diet, him bleeding ketchup isn't really proof he wasn't hit by a bullet

[Beetwasher.]

3. Bulletgate? LOL! Leave it to Trump to Fuck Someone Trying to Assassinate Him

Loser.

[Moostache]

51. I would actually laugh loudly if that were true...

Imagine that the shots all missed him, and when he dropped down, a ketchup packet fell out of his suitcoat and was popped open by Secret Service agents...he may have mis-heard the audio, he just slurred his speech and wasn't calling for his shoes...he was saying "I have to get my sauce"!!!!

[brush]

5. Oh, please. Was the man killed hit by shrapnel too?

Or the other two people in the audience who were injured?

[BootinUp]

7. Are you gonna bother to read any further

The various official findings before you spread your version of the truth?

[brush]

8. Not my version of the truth. A man was killed and others injured by bullets.

That's the truth, not a conspiracy theory.

[asm128]

9. And others were injured by shrapnel.

There is NO PROOF that a bullet grazed Trump.

Your office repeated stupid comment of "was it shrapnel that killed the guy" only goes to show you don't pay attention, or can't be bothered with facts.

Or maybe you know more than the FBI?

[brush]

12. Are you contending that the man killed was killed by shrapnel?

[Bucky]

37. There were multiple shots fired by Crooks.

There were both bulleta and shrapnel causing injuries. Comparotore was definitely killed by a bullet. Trump's injury makes better sense if it was shrapnel.

[soandso]

13. The man killed

and those gravely injured were shot. A prize winning photographer captured the bullet that grazed Trump as it passed his head:

?quality=75&auto=webp

[edhopper]

17. But that is headed to the lower ear

And he was bleeding from the top.

[thatdemguy]

53. That is the bullet after it passed his head

and it passed behind his head from that point of view. We dont know if that was the bullet that knicked him.

[edhopper]

55. That makes no sense either

still to low and if it grazed his ear, the trajectory would have changed.

[brush]

26. My office? Whose office? WTH are you talking about?

[Scrivener7]

14. None of which precludes the possibility that the convicted felon was hit by shrapnel.

[brush]

16. Shrapnel or not, he was still shot at. The 20-year-old somehow was able to...

fly a drone over the rally grounds to research it, was able to use a range finder to calculate his distance, found to have explosive devices in his car, and able to climb on the roof of that building and get a clear view of the podium without the Secret Service yanking him down before trump started speaking.

I don't buy for a minute that that 20-year-old kid was able to do all that alone. Somebody, some entity is complicit IMO and that hasn't come out yet.

Those are the questions that need to be asked, not whether it was shrapnel or a bullet.

And btw, didn't photos of the teleprompters IN FRONT OF THE PODIUM after the shooting show they were all intact?

[Scrivener7]

19. Yes. There are many questions. Including the question of what hit him.

Yes. The teleprompters appeared intact. Yet the head of the FBI is saying it is possible he was cut by something other than a bullet.

If he was cut by something other than a bullet, and if we can't readily see the source of that something, and if all that weird shit was going down around the event, I think we need to get to the bottom of it.

[brush]

25. Absolutely we need to get to the bottom of it.

The Secret Service is the outfit that erased all its texts and emails on J6. And I say erased not deleted, as deletions can be recovered.

Something is up. The SS head had to resign because of her evasive answers to Congress.

I used to think that term "the deep state" was just more rethug disinformation. Now I don't know.

And trump is a republican nominee. Who knows what to think?

Are they looking out for best for the nation by trying to take out an unfit candidate?

Time to shut up. I'm about to frazzle my own brain.

[Scrivener7]

27. No. I doubt that's it.

[BootinUp]

24. and there it is: "I don't buy for a minute that that 20-year-old kid was able to do all that alone."

[brush]

28. Thank you. Many questions still unanswered.

[Scrivener7]

30. I totally agree.

[BootinUp]

31. I wasn't agreeing though. I was wishing people would wait for the investigation report

and not participate in spreading conspiracy theories.

[Meowmee]

39. It looks like they were intact

I have my doubts that a bullet from an ar style gun could do so little damage hitting his ear, but my brother said the bullets for the gun used are smaller and he thought that it is possible.

It did not look to me like he was hit by a bullet because he turned his head and then we heard the shot I think, then he looked surprised and simply lifted his hand to his ear. It looked to me like a bug bit him maybe. Then he crouched down or whatever he did when he realized someone was shooting at him and the secret service people jumped on him etc.


As far as people helping the shooter, I think it's entirely possible he did this on his own including the drone. Maybe at some point in time we will find out. He had to be completely insane to think he was going to get out of there alive after shooting etc. So you have to wonder why he did not plant bombs in advance. Apparently he thought he was going to escape and then plant bombs and go after the democratic convention also.

[onenote]

6. Exactly what difference does it make. Was it less of an assassination attempt if it was only shrapnel?

I see no reason to dwell on this. Bullets were directed towards him. Bad aim doesn't change that.

[BootinUp]

10. I won't address that issue. Nt

[Scrivener7]

20. Maybe it was less of an assassination attempt.

[onenote]

22. And what exactly was it, pray tell?

[Scrivener7]

23. Pray tell?

Forsooth!!

[onenote]

32. I thought pray tell fit well as response to someone named Scrivener

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[scipan]

29. It's probably not, but he wouldn't have the same empathy from people.

You have to see the idea of him almost dying but for 1" versus just getting hit by shrapnel.

I doubt that the shooter was purposely missing.

[SupportSanity]

11. When I saw the footage of Trump's ear, I thought Hollywood. It didn't look real. I did an internet search:

What is the smallest squib that Hollywood uses?

Squibs are the very small explosive devices filled with fake blood that Hollywood uses to fake gunshot wounds. They are put on the actors under their clothes and are timed to go off when the fake gun fires. It looks real. Gun fires and it looks like it impacted the actor with blood spurting our of the "bullet's" entry point.

I'm thinking that a very small explosive and fake blood could produce the effect with Trump's ear.

Usually, when I do an internet search, I know if it's a popular topic if it starts autofilling as I type.

But this search had no autofills and no results.

So, are there any squib experts on DU?
Does anyone on DU have friends working with live effects in the Movie industry?

I'd like to know. Thanks.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. Please. No. . . . For your suggestion to be true, he would have to know the game in advance

He'd have to have put the squib on his person. He'd have to know real bullets would be flying.

I don't see it.

Do you? Really?

[Scrivener7]

21. In a heartbeat.

[SupportSanity]

34. Giving the secret away......

"The biggest secret that any magician has, is that he is willing to go to way much more trouble than you would ever believe a person would go to to achieve an effect on stage."

Ray Teller (of Penn and Teller) interviewed on NPR’s All Things Considered 12/2/13

[Stinky The Clown]

40. Are you saying it is possible (likely?) the whole episode was faked?

[SupportSanity]

43. I'm saying I don't know. How small a squib is possible? And does it have to be a squib?

I only have the questions. I don't have the answers. But I think it might be possible.

The movie industry has been using squibs for many years. There are a lot of gunshots in the
movies - but they are all fake. And they are mostly done using gunshot or bullet hit squibs.

Bullet hit squibs on wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullet_hit_squib

Here's a video of hundreds and hundreds of squib shots - there are no bullets used - it's all fake

Homemade Special Effect - Gunshot Squib - no bullets are used - it's all fake

How To Make A Cheap Blood Squib --- no bullets are used - it's all fake

But someone in the industry would know about these and if it's possible to fake a gunshot to the ear.

[Stinky The Clown]

50. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what squibs are. For a squib gag to work, you MUST know a gun is about to be fired.

Unless you know that gunshot report (blank or real) popping the squib accomplishes nothing. Blood without a cause.

For the squib to work, for the fakery to be effective, it is absolutely necessary to know the "shot" is about to be fired.

What is it you say you don't know?

[SupportSanity]

56. How small a squib is available? And does it have to be a squib that is used? Is there a more modern

technology?

Timing:
About the real gunshots. If it had been only one gunshot, fakery would be hard to pull off. Not impossible, I guess. But difficult. I think if one gunshot, it would have to use the most modern of technologies.

With multiple gunshots, timing is easier. Any point from hearing the first gunshot to the last would be a good time to activate the squib (or whatever technology is used).

Thinking about it, if there is good footage. I'd be looking at the footage right before the 'hit' to see if there was a signal, an activation, anything unusual. Split seconds before the 'hit'.

My two cents worth.

[Stinky The Clown]

58. Why would he be ready with a squib (or something else) unless he knew the gunshots were coming?

Or are you saying he might always have a squib behind his ear just in case someone shoots at him?

The whole idea is preposterous. I suggest you stop pushing it.

[SupportSanity]

59. Sure.

Ending this conversation.

[Autumn]

18. So the FBI didn't even get a report on his "injuries"?

[alarimer]

41. It doesn't seem possible that it was a whole bullet at any rate

He was barely scratched.

[elocs]

42. That Trump was injured by shrapnel and another person was killed by a bullet as well as others wounded

are not mutually exclusive events. It needn't have been all one or the other.

Trump is in no way a tough guy and had he been struck by a bullet his screaming would still be reverberating across the universe.

[Jilly_in_VA]

52. EXACTLY!

Finally, someone talking sense! Look, I'm a nurse and I've SEEN bullet wounds. Even grazes, and they look worse than his. A graze from an AE-15 should have taken the whole top of his ear off! It didn't. The fact that someone was killed is, sadly, something else entirely. Would y'all stop and remember that the kid was such a horrible shot that he was cut from his school's rifle club and asked to leaf a shooting range? He may have been aiming for the Slobfather, but he couldn't hit him on a bet and was just shooting in the general direction.....OR.....consider this...It may have been a set-up all along, and Corey Comperatore was only killed because the kid was such a godawful shot and he didn't mean to hit anyone, he was just told to shoot "out there".

[haele]

44. I understand the need to quibble, but it was still an assassination attempt.

Real bullets were fired. A rally goer died.
There was still the significant chance the orange one becomes a Martyr and his base becomes energized. At his age, if a bullet had actually hit him anywhere, he would have been unable to campaign for months, if not forever. He really isn't healthy to begin with. His staff has really been keeping him under wraps and limiting his public appearances since June; I'm wondering if something happened around the time of the debate.
IDK who they would have chosen to replace him during the campaign.

Haele

[BootinUp]

45. Not my intention. I merely shared an FBI update.

[haele]

47. It's all good. I'm just a bit weary on the "dance around the room" the media is doing with Trump.

They're doing as much as they can to avoid the actual health questions about Trump and pivoting to minor quibbles about what caused his shrapnel wound.

I'm just pointing something out much more concerning they should be talking about - his public appearances have been carefully limited and orchestrated since around the first debate. He had more public and impromptu rallies and appearances besides sitting in a courtroom during his trial just months prior.

Is it just that he's getting tired and cranky, and only momentum and spite are keeping him in the campaign, or did the fraud trial break him and he's fading further into dementia and needs heroic efforts to make him publicly presentable?

Haele

[John Farmer]

57. I still think the whole thing can be explained

more easily by incompetence on the part of the SS and local police and good luck on the part of Trump than some conspirator's plan to make Trump the almost-martyr.

[Iggo]

46. I don't see that it matters.

[mucholderthandirt]

48. I say shrapnel.

Something busted off something (not a teleprompter) by one of the other bullets. I am of the opinion that a close shot like that from an AR-15 would have blown half his head off.

There was little blood, even though head wounds bleed a lot. It looked to me like most of the bleeding was done by the time the SS pulled his chicken shit ass up off the platform. That means just barely a nick, likely gets worse shaving every day.

[sarisataka]

49. How much of a miss does it take

Before an AR15 inflicts no damage?

[republianmushroom]

54. No .223 cal. bullet.