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Harris slams 'despicable' protests at DC's Union Station during Netanyahu visit (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2024 OP
I think protesting a war criminal giving a speech in our house at the behest of Autumn Jul 2024 #1
The incident DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2024 #2
The graffiti was all over newdeal2 Jul 2024 #4
What I don't understand is how they think those tactics will win hearts and minds. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2024 #7
I'm still worried about the convention newdeal2 Jul 2024 #9
They won't be Bucky Jul 2024 #22
thank you. for putting it in terms that are starkly clear - and personal. stopdiggin Jul 2024 #28
They don't think it will change hearts and minds. haele Jul 2024 #14
I think it was a lot of outside agitators. nt Autumn Jul 2024 #15
lol. nt tritsofme Jul 2024 #19
as said by every Jim Crow sheriff and politician stopdiggin Jul 2024 #27
Yep DeepWinter Jul 2024 #16
Please don't let these people do that to you. AloeVera Jul 2024 #29
you probably should have investigated the actual details of this protest stopdiggin Jul 2024 #10
Netanyahu never should have been allowed in there to speak in our house. Autumn Jul 2024 #17
That does not excuse praising Hamas, a terrorist organization that murdered babies and raped girls. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #20
Not all protesters are responsible for the actions of a few. The majority was protesting a Autumn Jul 2024 #24
How do you know what the majority were protesting? Mossfern Jul 2024 #26
Interesting question. AloeVera Jul 2024 #30
I don't think efforts to gin up dissent via this topic before the convention will be very successful. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #32
I'm not the one doing that. AloeVera Jul 2024 #33
one thing does NOT excuse the other. isn't that considered fairly elementry .. ? - - (nt) stopdiggin Jul 2024 #23
It wasn't the protest she was pushing back on, but those protesters JohnSJ Jul 2024 #11
And you think the Pukes and Netanyahu didn't know that would happen? Autumn Jul 2024 #18
That's no excuse for praising the Hamas terrorists and spray-painting "Hamas" on statues. That is WAY over the line. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #21
Are you continuing to support the damage and vile nature of these protests? stopdiggin Jul 2024 #25
"I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas" sarisataka Jul 2024 #3
There's several protest groups competing here. maxsolomon Jul 2024 #5
The fringe extremists suck up all the oxygen. AloeVera Jul 2024 #31
The flag incident isn't getting much attention. Mosby Jul 2024 #6
Keepin' it classy.... TheProle Jul 2024 #8
And people wonder why Harris isn't going to try and appeal to these types. orange jar Jul 2024 #12
These protestors are an extreme minority. orange jar Jul 2024 #13

Autumn

(49,020 posts)
1. I think protesting a war criminal giving a speech in our house at the behest of
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 12:10 PM
Jul 2024

the fucking republicans is not a bad thing. If they were supporting Hamas shame on them.

DemocratSinceBirth

(102,012 posts)
2. The incident
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 12:34 PM
Jul 2024

The incident she's referring to is where protesters burned an American flag, wrote "Hamas Is Coming" on a monument, and displayed symbols used in NAZI concentration camps.

newdeal2

(5,623 posts)
4. The graffiti was all over
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 12:38 PM
Jul 2024

Not a good look. We don’t need destruction and vandalism in cities to become a topic again

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
22. They won't be
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:45 AM
Jul 2024

I'm massively opposed to Israel's actions. They are committing war crimes as a matter of war policy.

That said, if the peace activists can't distance themselves from the over the top violent and pro-Hamas elements, then a lot of us aren't able to join the peace movement. I've had to walk away from two anti war protests this year cause the antisemitic activists were allowed to hijack the events.

There's no place for hate in the peace movement.

stopdiggin

(15,645 posts)
28. thank you. for putting it in terms that are starkly clear - and personal.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:55 PM
Jul 2024

"people are walking away .. "
"I cannot have anything to do .. "

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haele

(15,602 posts)
14. They don't think it will change hearts and minds.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:39 PM
Jul 2024

They're showing off for their bases and encouraging others to join their mob.
Because somehow, they're pretending yelling, threats and destroying stuff while being protected by laws makes you a Freedom Fighter who Means Business.

Here's the problem they have. Most people deplore what Israeli hardliners lead by Netenyahu are doing in Gaza and on the West Bank. But most people also deplore Hamas, Hezbollah, all the other hard line Islamic organizations because, frankly they're all cowards who don't fight organizationally against those that can fight back, they target those who aren't going to fight them and openly promote indiscriminate annihilation of the other. It's gang warfare at this point. And the Israeli and Palestine civilians who otherwise would be happy enough going about their own business are caught in the crossfire.

Most people recognize pro Hamas does not equal anti-war or anti-colonialism. Being pro Hamas does not feed and shelter Palestinian refugees, nor release the Israeli hostages, nor does it stop border violence, hatred, rapes, illegal land grabs and indiscriminate deaths.
Pro Hamas means pro Islamic extremism; might as say "let's just give up create a strong-arml radical Islamic Caliphate in the region", and live with the weekly religious based public executions of "immoral" or uppity women, people accused of being LGBTQ, apostates or unbelievers, and frankly anyone that falls afoul of that regime on trumped up charges and hauled before a Hamas Court.

Islam can be a beautiful religion, just as Christianity, Judism, Buddhism, Hinduism...there are sects and philosophies within all of the major religions that are thoughtful, generous, tolerant, and full of general wisdom that really do sound like they're coming from a benevolent creator who really wants their complex interconnected creation to thrive.
But in all religions, there are also ulta-orthodoxies; philosophies that are prideful, intolerant, tribalistically bigoted, and fearfully unadaptable to any change within a "true vision" of the mortal leaders who have interpreted those words coming from that creator for their own source of power and enrichment.
The "protestors" who vandalize and celebrate a gang of bullies rather than an actual cause are but useful idiots for those ultra-orthodox terrorists.

Haele

stopdiggin

(15,645 posts)
27. as said by every Jim Crow sheriff and politician
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:51 PM
Jul 2024

in the deep south ...
and now the go to excuse for every instance of idiocy and the outright ugly and obscene - in the performative protest of today ..

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DeepWinter

(931 posts)
16. Yep
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:34 AM
Jul 2024

It's that kind of crap that makes people lose their empathy. You want to derail your protest and cause? Be an asshole.

I know it's testing my empathy and shutting my pocketbook.

AloeVera

(4,419 posts)
29. Please don't let these people do that to you.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:18 PM
Jul 2024

Don't focus on the few at the fringes. They are not important. Focus on the millions that marched across the world. Better yet, focus on the suffering in Gaza. They deserve our support and empathy, regardless of what the extremists on either side say or do.

stopdiggin

(15,645 posts)
10. you probably should have investigated the actual details of this protest
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:03 PM
Jul 2024

before commenting.
It was very clearly more than anti-Netanyahu. And very clearly deserving of condemnation.
Flat out support for Hamas - calling for the 'final solution' on Jews ...

People need to be a little bit careful about what they're willing to 'support' ...

Autumn

(49,020 posts)
17. Netanyahu never should have been allowed in there to speak in our house.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:49 AM
Jul 2024

I am not and never will be willing to support that SOB being allowed in that building . If you think that he and the fucking republicans didn't know that was exactly what would happen I have a bridge for sale. Think about that

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
20. That does not excuse praising Hamas, a terrorist organization that murdered babies and raped girls.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:31 AM
Jul 2024

Autumn

(49,020 posts)
24. Not all protesters are responsible for the actions of a few. The majority was protesting a
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:38 PM
Jul 2024

war criminal. Peacefully. As they have every right to do.

Mossfern

(4,782 posts)
26. How do you know what the majority were protesting?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:48 PM
Jul 2024

They should have shunned the Hamas terrorist supporters.

AloeVera

(4,419 posts)
30. Interesting question.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:29 PM
Jul 2024

Unfortunately, the media only show us the "bad" protests. That then gets amplified. So we don't see much if anything about the "good" protests. There actually were some. There was also a massive police presence blocking off many routes so some of the protests were choked off, leaving mainly the determined fanatics, fringe groups and their assorted provocateurs and infiltrators. The focus on these people is a crying shame. They do not represent the millions who marched across the globe, nor the best interest of Palestinians.

BannonsLiver

(20,859 posts)
32. I don't think efforts to gin up dissent via this topic before the convention will be very successful.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 05:04 PM
Jul 2024

AloeVera

(4,419 posts)
33. I'm not the one doing that.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 06:23 PM
Jul 2024

But I hope that efforts to paint the millions of protesters as Hamas supporters and gin up dissent from those millions, many of them Democrats and Independents, will not be successful.

stopdiggin

(15,645 posts)
23. one thing does NOT excuse the other. isn't that considered fairly elementry .. ? - - (nt)
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jul 2024
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
11. It wasn't the protest she was pushing back on, but those protesters
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:26 PM
Jul 2024

burning the American Flag and those supporting Hamas.

The most important thing is for Democrats from the left and right to shelf all differences between themselves and just unite on doing what it takes to keep Trump out of the WH, which means voting for Harris.

After the election after we win we can go back to debating our differences. This election is just too important to get side tracked.


 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
21. That's no excuse for praising the Hamas terrorists and spray-painting "Hamas" on statues. That is WAY over the line.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:34 AM
Jul 2024

stopdiggin

(15,645 posts)
25. Are you continuing to support the damage and vile nature of these protests?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:40 PM
Jul 2024

You keep circling back to, "Netanyahu" and "GOP" ...
Which (after this many posts) would kind of suggest that you either support, or have no problem with ...

sarisataka

(22,837 posts)
3. "I condemn any individuals associating with the brutal terrorist organization Hamas"
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 12:38 PM
Jul 2024

which is exactly what the protesters showed themselves to be.

maxsolomon

(39,144 posts)
5. There's several protest groups competing here.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 12:43 PM
Jul 2024

JVP got inside the Capitol, made noise, got arrested.

Burning American flags and raising Palestinian flags? I'm going to surmise that's Within Our Lifetime (WOL).

AloeVera

(4,419 posts)
31. The fringe extremists suck up all the oxygen.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:35 PM
Jul 2024

Whereas there are millions across the globe who are peaceful, ordinary folks protesting who get ignored. Who benefits from all the attention to the wrong few? Hmmm. Not the Palestinians and not those who want an end to the war.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
6. The flag incident isn't getting much attention.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 12:46 PM
Jul 2024

wonder why.

What if the American flag was taken down and burned, and a confederate flag was raised? wonder what the media would say?

orange jar

(878 posts)
13. These protestors are an extreme minority.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:34 PM
Jul 2024

A very loud minority, but still a minority. Most people do not sympathize with nor do they like violent protests. There is no benefit to placating these thick-skulled, immovable morons — it would only hurt us. They deserve every bit of condemnation they receive.

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