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(49,020 posts)the fucking republicans is not a bad thing. If they were supporting Hamas shame on them.
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)The incident she's referring to is where protesters burned an American flag, wrote "Hamas Is Coming" on a monument, and displayed symbols used in NAZI concentration camps.
newdeal2
(5,623 posts)Not a good look. We dont need destruction and vandalism in cities to become a topic again
DemocratSinceBirth
(102,012 posts)newdeal2
(5,623 posts)Hope things are peaceful in Chicago
Bucky
(55,334 posts)I'm massively opposed to Israel's actions. They are committing war crimes as a matter of war policy.
That said, if the peace activists can't distance themselves from the over the top violent and pro-Hamas elements, then a lot of us aren't able to join the peace movement. I've had to walk away from two anti war protests this year cause the antisemitic activists were allowed to hijack the events.
There's no place for hate in the peace movement.
stopdiggin
(15,645 posts)"people are walking away .. "
"I cannot have anything to do .. "
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haele
(15,602 posts)They're showing off for their bases and encouraging others to join their mob.
Because somehow, they're pretending yelling, threats and destroying stuff while being protected by laws makes you a Freedom Fighter who Means Business.
Here's the problem they have. Most people deplore what Israeli hardliners lead by Netenyahu are doing in Gaza and on the West Bank. But most people also deplore Hamas, Hezbollah, all the other hard line Islamic organizations because, frankly they're all cowards who don't fight organizationally against those that can fight back, they target those who aren't going to fight them and openly promote indiscriminate annihilation of the other. It's gang warfare at this point. And the Israeli and Palestine civilians who otherwise would be happy enough going about their own business are caught in the crossfire.
Most people recognize pro Hamas does not equal anti-war or anti-colonialism. Being pro Hamas does not feed and shelter Palestinian refugees, nor release the Israeli hostages, nor does it stop border violence, hatred, rapes, illegal land grabs and indiscriminate deaths.
Pro Hamas means pro Islamic extremism; might as say "let's just give up create a strong-arml radical Islamic Caliphate in the region", and live with the weekly religious based public executions of "immoral" or uppity women, people accused of being LGBTQ, apostates or unbelievers, and frankly anyone that falls afoul of that regime on trumped up charges and hauled before a Hamas Court.
Islam can be a beautiful religion, just as Christianity, Judism, Buddhism, Hinduism...there are sects and philosophies within all of the major religions that are thoughtful, generous, tolerant, and full of general wisdom that really do sound like they're coming from a benevolent creator who really wants their complex interconnected creation to thrive.
But in all religions, there are also ulta-orthodoxies; philosophies that are prideful, intolerant, tribalistically bigoted, and fearfully unadaptable to any change within a "true vision" of the mortal leaders who have interpreted those words coming from that creator for their own source of power and enrichment.
The "protestors" who vandalize and celebrate a gang of bullies rather than an actual cause are but useful idiots for those ultra-orthodox terrorists.
Haele
Autumn
(49,020 posts)tritsofme
(19,933 posts)stopdiggin
(15,645 posts)in the deep south ...
and now the go to excuse for every instance of idiocy and the outright ugly and obscene - in the performative protest of today ..
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DeepWinter
(931 posts)It's that kind of crap that makes people lose their empathy. You want to derail your protest and cause? Be an asshole.
I know it's testing my empathy and shutting my pocketbook.
AloeVera
(4,419 posts)Don't focus on the few at the fringes. They are not important. Focus on the millions that marched across the world. Better yet, focus on the suffering in Gaza. They deserve our support and empathy, regardless of what the extremists on either side say or do.
stopdiggin
(15,645 posts)before commenting.
It was very clearly more than anti-Netanyahu. And very clearly deserving of condemnation.
Flat out support for Hamas - calling for the 'final solution' on Jews ...
People need to be a little bit careful about what they're willing to 'support' ...
Autumn
(49,020 posts)I am not and never will be willing to support that SOB being allowed in that building . If you think that he and the fucking republicans didn't know that was exactly what would happen I have a bridge for sale. Think about that
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)Autumn
(49,020 posts)war criminal. Peacefully. As they have every right to do.
Mossfern
(4,782 posts)They should have shunned the Hamas terrorist supporters.
AloeVera
(4,419 posts)Unfortunately, the media only show us the "bad" protests. That then gets amplified. So we don't see much if anything about the "good" protests. There actually were some. There was also a massive police presence blocking off many routes so some of the protests were choked off, leaving mainly the determined fanatics, fringe groups and their assorted provocateurs and infiltrators. The focus on these people is a crying shame. They do not represent the millions who marched across the globe, nor the best interest of Palestinians.
BannonsLiver
(20,859 posts)AloeVera
(4,419 posts)But I hope that efforts to paint the millions of protesters as Hamas supporters and gin up dissent from those millions, many of them Democrats and Independents, will not be successful.
stopdiggin
(15,645 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)burning the American Flag and those supporting Hamas.
The most important thing is for Democrats from the left and right to shelf all differences between themselves and just unite on doing what it takes to keep Trump out of the WH, which means voting for Harris.
After the election after we win we can go back to debating our differences. This election is just too important to get side tracked.
Autumn
(49,020 posts)Deek1935
(1,055 posts)stopdiggin
(15,645 posts)You keep circling back to, "Netanyahu" and "GOP" ...
Which (after this many posts) would kind of suggest that you either support, or have no problem with ...
sarisataka
(22,837 posts)which is exactly what the protesters showed themselves to be.
maxsolomon
(39,144 posts)JVP got inside the Capitol, made noise, got arrested.
Burning American flags and raising Palestinian flags? I'm going to surmise that's Within Our Lifetime (WOL).
AloeVera
(4,419 posts)Whereas there are millions across the globe who are peaceful, ordinary folks protesting who get ignored. Who benefits from all the attention to the wrong few? Hmmm. Not the Palestinians and not those who want an end to the war.
Mosby
(19,491 posts)wonder why.
What if the American flag was taken down and burned, and a confederate flag was raised? wonder what the media would say?
TheProle
(4,117 posts)
orange jar
(878 posts)orange jar
(878 posts)A very loud minority, but still a minority. Most people do not sympathize with nor do they like violent protests. There is no benefit to placating these thick-skulled, immovable morons it would only hurt us. They deserve every bit of condemnation they receive.
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