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BluenFLA

(229 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:10 PM Jul 2024

Expanded electoral map?

With the Harris campaign is it possible to expand the electoral map and win states that were not won in 2020?

I noticed Harris was in TX and IN recently. I know it's too early to speculate but can she win any other states like NC?

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Expanded electoral map? (Original Post) BluenFLA Jul 2024 OP
Yes. JustBeGood Jul 2024 #1
My dream is FL and NC obamanut2012 Jul 2024 #2
I would love for he to win the states Obama won 2008 Dem4life1234 Jul 2024 #4
I feel confident we can get NC --- Obama did. Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #7
"Winnable" or not, she needs to... pat_k Jul 2024 #3
She can win in NC. paleotn Jul 2024 #5
Even though polls are unpolular right now... they're all we've got. WarGamer Jul 2024 #6
Unlikely but it lowers the risk of AZ, GA and NV brooklynite Jul 2024 #8
Absolutely not. That type of hubris fucked us in 2016. TX, IN, and FL are not realistic (NC is) and TX and FL are so Celerity Jul 2024 #9
Here's the thing - nothing has changed getagrip_already Jul 2024 #10
I learned the hard way not to trust polls BluenFLA Jul 2024 #12
Thing is duncang Jul 2024 #11
The problem with tx is active voter suppression and negation getagrip_already Jul 2024 #15
So give up? duncang Jul 2024 #16
AZ, PA, WI, MI, GA, NV, and NC are in play. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2024 #13
NC is the most likely flip from 2020 Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #14
I wish TX were in play but we are highly gerrymandered TBF Jul 2024 #17
 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
7. I feel confident we can get NC --- Obama did.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:37 PM
Jul 2024

Large Black population, large college degree population (Research Triangle), plus it's the most evenly split state in terms of D/R.

pat_k

(13,484 posts)
3. "Winnable" or not, she needs to...
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:19 PM
Jul 2024

... be out there in red states too. If we are serious about reaching across divides and uniting, there should be no "flyover" states. Part of the problem is that red staters believe Democrats have not just ignored them, but hate them. We MUST find our way out of the Us v. Them death spiral. I know time is short and she can't be everywhere, but right now all America is the "battleground " I would love to see her in as many red states as possible, in play or not.

paleotn

(22,384 posts)
5. She can win in NC.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:33 PM
Jul 2024

Every 4 years, that state turns more and more purple. Migration and demographic shift diluting the Jesse Helms set.

WarGamer

(18,708 posts)
6. Even though polls are unpolular right now... they're all we've got.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:35 PM
Jul 2024

Right now I'd say GA is close and reinforce VA to keep it blue.

NV, AZ and the blue wall are certainly under threat.

The last Trump v Biden poll in NC was T+7... we need to see Harris v Trump numbers to see if it's improving.

Celerity

(54,621 posts)
9. Absolutely not. That type of hubris fucked us in 2016. TX, IN, and FL are not realistic (NC is) and TX and FL are so
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:42 PM
Jul 2024

expensive to play in their media markets you will choke off other vital races and states.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
10. Here's the thing - nothing has changed
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 01:59 PM
Jul 2024

We were going to win with joe, and we will win with kamala.

But, but, the polls! Garbage. Fabricated.

They dont know, and cant predict, Who is going to show or in What numbers. Sure, people were depressed by the polls, and constant msm lies and attacks, but depressed or energized, you can only vote once.

And people are motivated by roe, and project 2025, and the threats of retribution, and deportations, and assaults on lgbtq+ rights, and womans rights, and the environment, and their support of putin and xi and kim, and a hundred other vital issues.

Our voters were not going to stay home for the election. But they werent showing up in the polls.

Oh to be sure, pollsters will play a cute game and give kamala a bounce, tighten things up. And then in a few weeks, after the convention they will rejigger the constructs and the bubble will burst and we will be behind again.

Then we will be bemoaning our choice of candidate and vp. Second guessing will be viscious.

And it will all be driven by the msm.


BluenFLA

(229 posts)
12. I learned the hard way not to trust polls
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 02:08 PM
Jul 2024

Polls have been off mark for years, and they're going to fluctuate all over the place since many junk and right leaning polls will gum up predictions. FWIW, I still believe Biden would have pulled it off given the threat Trump is.

duncang

(3,767 posts)
11. Thing is
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 02:04 PM
Jul 2024

If we never try we will never learn or possibly turn a state.

Texas was one of three states that were the closest for tfg. Following Florida and North Carolina. A lot of people think Texas is deep red. But it’s closer than most think. It doesn’t show in the state congress since we are so gerrymandered.

Biden got 46% of the vote in Texas.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
15. The problem with tx is active voter suppression and negation
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 02:20 PM
Jul 2024

They are just out and out corrupt and dont even try to hide it with the 5th circuit covering them.

TBF

(36,856 posts)
17. I wish TX were in play but we are highly gerrymandered
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 03:57 PM
Jul 2024

and I just don't see it yet. I got very excited that Beto might have a chance against Cruz, and currently Cruz is only leading Allred by 3 points. But those gaps tend to get higher when we get to election day. A lot of it is turnout - we need the young people to turn out as reliably as the seniors do.

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