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sunflowerseed

(515 posts)
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 08:38 PM Jul 2024

Did he fake a bullet wound??

Last edited Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:13 AM - Edit history (1)

I don't think the assassination attempt was fake.

If the wound proved it was a bullet he would show it.

He is hiding it.

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Did he fake a bullet wound?? (Original Post) sunflowerseed Jul 2024 OP
It's certainly not beneath him. Nothing is. -nt CrispyQ Jul 2024 #1
I always wondered what he'd try if he got desperate enough. calimary Jul 2024 #28
trump is a moron, but a moron who conspies to let someone shoot real bullets at... brush Jul 2024 #2
I didn't read it as OP was implying the event was staged SomedayKindaLove Jul 2024 #6
The gunman shot real bullets. One person was killed, two others injured. brush Jul 2024 #8
Sure, but a 20 year old loser known for having bad aim... Bucky Jul 2024 #41
No sarcasm gif? Entrusting a shooter with poor aim who could be an inch off either way... brush Jul 2024 #50
The eye roll emoji IS the sarcasm gif... Bucky Jul 2024 #52
Oh, that's next-level snark. brush Jul 2024 #56
😄 Bucky Jul 2024 #57
He sat back and drank Coke as a mob of thousands tried to take over the Capitol Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #59
Could Have Been A Staged Act Gone Bad....... global1 Jul 2024 #72
Another Possibility?....... global1 Jul 2024 #79
There's a reason why lizardkingjr Jul 2024 #3
Nonsense. As if he'd put himself in sights of a rifle. A man was killed, two seriously injured. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #4
No, but I read it was broken glass that hit him Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #34
You read that from speculators who looked for confirmation and not facts. See post 22 Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #38
According to FBI, they don't know what hit him Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #45
There is only one side about the assassination attempt: the facts. The FBI have not officially resolved the facts Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #47
Wow. I just stated what the FBI director said. Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #48
You are not the only one reading this thread or subthread. But we all know lectures are such horrific things, eh? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #75
Disagreeing is not permitted Doc Sportello Jul 2024 #94
However, happy feet Jul 2024 #89
From the view of the camera they where on both side thatdemguy Jul 2024 #104
Yep. Bottom line is the FBI doesn't know for sure. Believe something obviously struck allegorical oracle Jul 2024 #53
Honestly, unless they were able to find the bullet and attribute it to the one that hit him sboatcar Jul 2024 #60
The Warren Commission has joined the chat ArkansasDemocrat1 Jul 2024 #107
The FBI director testified under oath that Sunsky Jul 2024 #44
I suspect he was cut by a glass shard from the Teleprompter nt cyclonefence Jul 2024 #5
What caused the glass shard? Did it leap off of the teleprompter? rsdsharp Jul 2024 #13
They're saying it was shrapnel, which is metal shards or debris from the bullet FakeNoose Jul 2024 #18
It could have been an intact bullet simply nicking his ear. rsdsharp Jul 2024 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #23
I more picture a pumpkin exploding, radius777 Jul 2024 #64
Thanks for the correction nt cyclonefence Jul 2024 #97
The teleprompter was intact. 2naSalit Jul 2024 #15
Thanks for the correction. nt cyclonefence Jul 2024 #96
the teleprompters were intact, yet you and many others here keep pushing this CT Celerity Jul 2024 #19
OY!!! That's closer than I EVER wanted to get to that bastard. calimary Jul 2024 #31
Better adjust your suspicions to match reality. Teleprompter was disproven on the day of the event Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #22
Thanks. nt cyclonefence Jul 2024 #95
Ruptured eardrum... theCHARLOTTEan Jul 2024 #7
Ruptured by what? ZZenith Jul 2024 #10
Supersonic shockwave of passing bullet. theCHARLOTTEan Jul 2024 #14
I believe the photographed "bullet" is actually a tiny space ship rictofen Jul 2024 #20
The shockwave from a super sonic round would be loud, but not enough dBs to rupture your eardrum. LudwigPastorius Jul 2024 #25
I Agree With You ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #101
Was wondering about heat. Is a bullet hot after being fired? Could a bullet passing very near cause burns? Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #29
It was undoubtedly hot somewhat, but not enough to cauterize the wound, especially so briefly Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #39
Thanks for the info re velocity and time, but I wasn't talking cauterizing, I meant just good ol fashioned burns Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #71
Interesting analysis. I don't think the bullet airspeed heats it much, not compared to heating from firing energy. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #73
Thanks for the input. What I know about bullets in flight is to avoid them Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #80
i searched for bullet graze wounds and the area surrounding do not look burnt. LeftInTX Jul 2024 #85
Thanks for the great info Attilatheblond Jul 2024 #99
Hmmmmm... MOST interesting. calimary Jul 2024 #100
Look at the blood, though orange jar Jul 2024 #12
Agree. He likely reactively swiped at the area himself. Much of his cheek is smudged. We've all done that allegorical oracle Jul 2024 #70
I see the bleeding stopped by that point. tenderfoot Jul 2024 #91
Welcome to DU, theCHARLOTTEan! calimary Jul 2024 #32
YES, Yes, oh God YES ,,, he did did dud. He didddddddddd. II Trueblue1968 Jul 2024 #9
LIHOP or MIHOP? moondust Jul 2024 #11
Not even you would put yourself in the sights of a rifle. A man died, two seriously injured, or did you forget? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #24
Does the sun rise in the east ? republianmushroom Jul 2024 #16
27 months until sunrise and counting, eh? Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2024 #26
So the guy who can't negotiate a ramp without almost falling down onenote Jul 2024 #17
Wonder if FBI found shrapnel with cpamomfromtexas Jul 2024 #27
Probably planj07 Jul 2024 #30
Welcome to DU, planj07! calimary Jul 2024 #33
It wasn't staged but MiKenMi33 Jul 2024 #35
FBI Director testified they still don't know Joinfortmill Jul 2024 #36
Yes, So three is a BIG Question. TY Cha Jul 2024 #37
We have no way of knowing. Remember, when you ASSuME Bucky Jul 2024 #40
I think the fact they won't release medical plus lack of interest in what actually happened JI7 Jul 2024 #42
I think that may have been the case. kentuck Jul 2024 #43
More likely, he lied about the source of his injury. GoCubsGo Jul 2024 #46
Yep, and he knew and lied! He is who he is! sunflowerseed Jul 2024 #68
Has there ever been another DU thread... Paladin Jul 2024 #49
If it had been staged (or was fake), no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #51
You're talking about a man who allowed the siege on the Capitol go on long after the Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #61
Point taken. Well taken. no_hypocrisy Jul 2024 #63
Also, I was just watching Lawrence's show from yesterday. He had an excerpt of Scrivener7 Jul 2024 #67
Who cares? He was a victim of a failed assassination attempt. Let him wear gauze on his head if he wants. nt Gore1FL Jul 2024 #54
Maybe, but his ear is old news. I think 33taw Jul 2024 #55
FBI needs to examine ear bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #58
Most people say its just another republicon FAKE-OUT stunt BoRaGard Jul 2024 #62
Most people? MichMan Jul 2024 #69
No. obnoxiousdrunk Jul 2024 #65
Was the dead person fake?? sarisataka Jul 2024 #66
As if one person's life (besides his own) matters to trump. (nt) Paladin Jul 2024 #83
Yes he values his own life sarisataka Jul 2024 #86
trump would do ANYTHING for another 4 years in the White House. Paladin Jul 2024 #88
To be honest, one can't tell from those images that the teleprompter is intact. mucholderthandirt Jul 2024 #74
He has a wound. Wray's testimony at the senate Politicub Jul 2024 #76
Why hasn't the news media clamored for info? RussBLib Jul 2024 #77
The NY Times is trying to convince us that it was a bullet. tenderfoot Jul 2024 #78
EXACTLY! bluestarone Jul 2024 #82
I'm hoping for my own personal victory lap should that be the case. tenderfoot Jul 2024 #90
Not worth speculating about. Bullet or shrapnel. Who cares? nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #81
* got nicked by a bullet. It's OK to accept it. maxsolomon Jul 2024 #84
From the videos I have been sent, not killing rump was more of an equipment problem thatdemguy Jul 2024 #106
Possible orthoclad Jul 2024 #87
This stuff is ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #92
Thank you for your concern John Shaft Jul 2024 #93
Bless your heart. ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #98
Diminishing the severity of the wound diminishes the myth. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2024 #102
Let's just make up a story and repeat it everywhere Easterncedar Jul 2024 #103
I doubt it. There WAS an assassination attempt that would have been scary in retrospect karynnj Jul 2024 #105

calimary

(90,021 posts)
28. I always wondered what he'd try if he got desperate enough.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:38 AM
Jul 2024

Perhaps now we all know the answer to such a question.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
2. trump is a moron, but a moron who conspies to let someone shoot real bullets at...
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 08:44 PM
Jul 2024

and to miss on purpose so he can fake getting shot...No.

Even trump is not that stupid.

SomedayKindaLove

(1,181 posts)
6. I didn't read it as OP was implying the event was staged
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 08:58 PM
Jul 2024

The question is what bloodied Trump’s ear? A bullet or shrapnel? Both are horrible, but it’s always nice to get the facts about these things. Keeping score at home I see Donnie and Ronnie saying it’s a bullet wound. While the CIA, FBI, and police have suggested it could be shrapnel.

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
8. The gunman shot real bullets. One person was killed, two others injured.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 09:07 PM
Jul 2024

That's an extremely high-risk operation to fake. Real bullets were coming in. There'd have to be buy-in complicity with the Secret Service, local LEOs and who knows whoelse...I dunno, sounds too "deep-statey" to me.

Admittely the Secret Service did a horrible job.

Maybe, maybe they were...

NO. Can't go there.


Bucky

(55,334 posts)
41. Sure, but a 20 year old loser known for having bad aim...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:49 AM
Jul 2024

That's exactly who you want to put in charge of the trick shot

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
50. No sarcasm gif? Entrusting a shooter with poor aim who could be an inch off either way...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:21 AM
Jul 2024

and an assassination attempt becomes an assassination.

Again, no sarcasm gif.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
59. He sat back and drank Coke as a mob of thousands tried to take over the Capitol
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:45 AM
Jul 2024

and stage a coup. And as people were hurt and killed.

I wouldn't be shocked at all if it came out that he did this. And if he DID, then the deaths and injuries were a feature of his plan, not a bug, because they gave it authenticity.

However, the way things go these days, we may never know.

global1

(26,507 posts)
72. Could Have Been A Staged Act Gone Bad.......
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:02 PM
Jul 2024

Maybe no one was supposed to get hurt or killed - but something didn't go as planned.

Immediately - when I heard it announced that there was an assassination attempt on Tr**p - I thought that it was staged. He was out of the news cycle for quite a few days - with Biden getting all the attention - and I just figured this was a way to catapult him back on the top of the news.

It wasn't till I learned that other people were shot and one was killed - that I thought differently. I believed that it really was a attempt on Tr**p.

Now - because it doesn't seem like we're getting all the details (i.e., a medical report; more info about the gun and ammo used; etc) - I'm thinking maybe it was just a staged plan gone wrong.

I've always been led to believe that the SS was more competent than that was displayed at this event. Their handling of this - from scoping the layout of the venue - to whisking him off the stage - letting him extend his fist - the ear injury and then no real explanation as to the extent of that injury; etc. Just makes is all out to be kind of suspicious.

I hate thinking this way. But - Tr**p over the years has almost conditioned us to think that he was up to creating a spectacle.

It is possible that they (the SS & FBI) are still in the midst of their investigation and at some time in the future will get a more accurate accounting of the happenings - before, during and after - the said attempt.

Note that I'm not the only one that immediately thought this was staged. Again - that's the conditioning that we've been exposed to that makes a whole lot of people think like this.

global1

(26,507 posts)
79. Another Possibility?.......
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:24 PM
Jul 2024

Could He Have Had An Earpiece In His Ear?

And when the SS jumped on him and brought him down - maybe it was yanked from his ear and caused the wound & blood.

They did react rather roughly - as Tr**p is a weighty guy. They needed a lot of brute strength to handle him.

Also remember - his shoes were knocked off. It wasn't the bullet that shot his shoes off. They most likely came off in the scrum of SS - that jumped on him and tried to protect him and ultimately brought him back up to his feet to whisk him away to safety.

Other Thoughts:
- collateral damage? (i.e., the other injuries and death)
- have a discussion with Alec Baldwin (issue of a staged shooting with the unfortunate fact that a real bullet was inserted in his case)

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
4. Nonsense. As if he'd put himself in sights of a rifle. A man was killed, two seriously injured. . . . nt
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 08:47 PM
Jul 2024

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
38. You read that from speculators who looked for confirmation and not facts. See post 22
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:33 AM
Jul 2024

Post 22 shows intact teleprompters after they magically reassembled themselves and magically filled in the missing shards.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219239325#post22

Joinfortmill

(21,167 posts)
45. According to FBI, they don't know what hit him
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:51 AM
Jul 2024

Wow, people. You'd never know we're on the same side here.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
47. There is only one side about the assassination attempt: the facts. The FBI have not officially resolved the facts
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:41 AM
Jul 2024

The investigation is ongoing.

When the director says there are "questions", it means that the investigation has not reached a conclusion yet, so he hasn't gotten the complete and resolved facts. Thus he speaks cautiously, leaving the issue open pending official reports. He's not going to say one thing or another only to be contradicted by the report.

So by saying "questions", he has said nothing because he can only say nothing on this particular issue: shards vs bullet.

Not attacking you. I'm calling out people who hold onto or push the glass shards theory despite the fact that it is clearly disproven. "There are questions" whether other shards (stage, stage equipment, stands) were involved. The only real evidence exposed so far supporting the Other Shards theory is that a couple of officers got minor injuries from Other Shards. There is much more evidence supporting the Bullet theory.

As to the Faked It theory, it's ridiculous. Two people got severely injured and another one died.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
75. You are not the only one reading this thread or subthread. But we all know lectures are such horrific things, eh?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:06 PM
Jul 2024

Doc Sportello

(7,964 posts)
94. Disagreeing is not permitted
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:23 PM
Jul 2024

I got the lecture yesterday because I pointed out that stating that it was a bullet is a fact was just as much trutherism as ones that state that it was shrapnel. Disagreeing is not allowed in truther land.

happy feet

(1,279 posts)
89. However,
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:57 PM
Jul 2024

no mention of where the two wounded and one killed were sitting in relation to TFG? I first assumed they were seated on stage near Trump and caught missed bullets. But I don't see from the videos released and am wondering if they were in the standing audience? in which case ??? strange. I don't know what happened but the lack of initial info (from the medical doctors, the bullet that supposedly ripped his ear, etc.) leaves a void for suspicion.

thatdemguy

(620 posts)
104. From the view of the camera they where on both side
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 03:18 PM
Jul 2024

So rump was between the shooter and those hit on the right side, you to the below video the guy has it all modeled out in 3d.

?si=EnGRdrUZg0kCze69

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
53. Yep. Bottom line is the FBI doesn't know for sure. Believe something obviously struck
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:27 AM
Jul 2024

his ear. He was bleeding. But whether it was a bullet or fragments of metal or glass seems to be undetermined. And, of course, the drama king is going to play it to the hilt. Unspeakably tragic is that bullets struck innocent people.

sboatcar

(850 posts)
60. Honestly, unless they were able to find the bullet and attribute it to the one that hit him
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:45 AM
Jul 2024

They'll never be able to confirm what hit him. It could have been a hummingbird

Sunsky

(1,876 posts)
44. The FBI director testified under oath that
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:14 AM
Jul 2024

They didn't find a bullet at that location. Since we are dealing with facts here. Wray testified that they have collected all the cartridges but he doesn't know if that " bullet" landed somewhere else. Suggesting that the supposed bullet was not found where they thought it should've been but the investigation continues. IMO that was his way of casting doubt Trump was hit by a bullet. We can all have different theories as to what occurred but it's absurd to act as if we know for certain what happened when the FBI (who's investigating) still does not

They haven't even been granted an interview with Trump. They haven't examined his "wound". Trump claims that the medical record states a gunshot wound but still hasn't released such record. Also, the medical record will give an account of what was reported. Release the record so the public can see where and how the GSW was stated on the record. Why all the secrecy? It's reasonable that people have doubts.

https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-wants-fbi-director-resign-immediately-chris-wray-rcna163641

rsdsharp

(12,002 posts)
13. What caused the glass shard? Did it leap off of the teleprompter?
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 09:57 PM
Jul 2024

Did the teleprompter suddenly, spontaneously, shatter, and then miraculously reintegrate before the pictures showed both of them seemingly intact? Off it was a glass shard, could it be that a bullet nicked the teleprompter, and was slightly diverted? Were the two people seriously wounded, and the man who was killed also hit by glass shards?

Bullets were being fired. What possible difference can it make what it was that hit his ear?

FakeNoose

(41,634 posts)
18. They're saying it was shrapnel, which is metal shards or debris from the bullet
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 10:57 PM
Jul 2024

It doesn't mean that Chump was directly hit by a bullet. If he had, he would have died instantly. Picture a watermelon exploding, that would have been Chump's head. But the ammo can send metal shards flying, or it can ricochet off another structure. We don't know what because the medical reports have carefully been kept out of the news.

Isn't it funny how the Repukes can tell us every minute detail about Hunter Biden's sex life, but nobody is the least bit curious about how Chump was almost assassinated in front of thousands of people.



rsdsharp

(12,002 posts)
21. It could have been an intact bullet simply nicking his ear.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 11:44 PM
Jul 2024

It can happen, although it wouldn’t have been an instant ended result.

Technically, shrapnel has a specific meaning:

A hollow projectile containing bullets and a small bursting charge, which, when fired by a time fuse, bursts the shell and scatters the contents in a shower; (also) such shells collectively. Now historical.
The shell was invented by Henry Shrapnel, an artillery officer in the British army, in the 1790s; his proposal for its use was submitted to the Board of Ordnance in 1799 and approved in 1803. The term Shrapnel shell was adopted officially (in place of spherical case shot) in accordance with the Report of a Select Committee at Woolwich dated 11 June, 1852.

Oxford English Dictionary

Response to FakeNoose (Reply #18)

radius777

(3,921 posts)
64. I more picture a pumpkin exploding,
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:58 AM
Jul 2024

given the orange nature of his face.

In all seriousness - yes I agree that unless we see a medical report or other hard evidence from the FBI - we should not mindlessly buy into the idea that he was nicked by the bullet itself. It easily could've been that the bullet hit something else and debris hit his ear. And I don't believe that picture that supposedly shows a 'speeding bullet' as iirc only specialized cameras can capture a bullet moving at that speed.

It was an assassination attempt, and the shooter did take several shots in his direction - that much has been factually established.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
19. the teleprompters were intact, yet you and many others here keep pushing this CT
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 11:01 PM
Jul 2024










and the ear wound shows exposed cartilage, it is not glass wedged in his ear






calimary

(90,021 posts)
31. OY!!! That's closer than I EVER wanted to get to that bastard.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:43 AM
Jul 2024

Even when it's just a photo or two.

ICK!!!

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
22. Better adjust your suspicions to match reality. Teleprompter was disproven on the day of the event
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:30 AM
Jul 2024

Obvious, on the day of the event:



theCHARLOTTEan

(19 posts)
7. Ruptured eardrum...
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 09:04 PM
Jul 2024

... It can have immediate bleeding. Followed by drainage for a few days of fluid that is behind the ear drum.

theCHARLOTTEan

(19 posts)
14. Supersonic shockwave of passing bullet.
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 10:39 PM
Jul 2024

With the bullet passing so close to his ear the shockwave would have traveled directly into the ear canal. Whether it could also damage the outer tissue of the ear, I'm unsure. But I don't discount that entirely.

rictofen

(267 posts)
20. I believe the photographed "bullet" is actually a tiny space ship
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 11:18 PM
Jul 2024

The galaxy is on Orion's belt!

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
25. The shockwave from a super sonic round would be loud, but not enough dBs to rupture your eardrum.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:37 AM
Jul 2024

It would sound the same as someone cracking a whip next to your ear.

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
101. I Agree With You
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jul 2024

The force of the shockwave is proportional to the mass of the air volume moved by the projectile.
A liter of air only weighs 1g. If we use the last half-meter before the ear, we're only talking about 22.8g of air, being pushed in a 360° pattern around the bullet path. Just a small fraction of the mass would hit the air canal.
Even at that velocity, I can't see enough force to rupture an eardrum.

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
29. Was wondering about heat. Is a bullet hot after being fired? Could a bullet passing very near cause burns?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:40 AM
Jul 2024

Some burns will bleed, that much I know. But is a bullet in flight hot? If so, maybe it passed, grazing and searing the idiot's ear?

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
39. It was undoubtedly hot somewhat, but not enough to cauterize the wound, especially so briefly
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 05:48 AM
Jul 2024

Even if it had been very hot, the time period in contact with the flesh would have been very tiny.

At 2000 to 3000 feet per second, that is about 600 to 1000 metres per second. The wound was two contact points 2 cm apart, and each contact point was only a few millimetres. But call it 2 cm, and use 500 m/s as speed, which is 50,000 cm / s. 2/50,000 = 0.00004 sec = 0.04 millisec = 40 microseconds which is a very very brief period of time and the actual time was undoubtedly even shorter.

So the wound was from simply blasting out the small chunk of earlobe. The ear being flexible cartilage mainly bent from the force and did not break or explode or get burnt. There was not enough contact or resistance to transfer more than a tiny bit of force aside from the bit of flesh that was in the way.

Attilatheblond

(8,878 posts)
71. Thanks for the info re velocity and time, but I wasn't talking cauterizing, I meant just good ol fashioned burns
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:51 AM
Jul 2024

A quick burn on an area where skin is very thin and has little to no adipose tissue behind it might cause a little bleeding. Some burns do not even require actual contact, hot air blasts can burn. Was wondering if heat from bullet causing air immediately near it as it travels being impacted by it's passing being heated enough to burn and break delicate skin. I would assume there would be some, even if very slight, temp change due to friction.

Top portion of ear has very thin layer of tissue as opposed to the ear lobe, which wasn't injured, having some adipose under the skin.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
73. Interesting analysis. I don't think the bullet airspeed heats it much, not compared to heating from firing energy. . .nt
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:05 PM
Jul 2024

LeftInTX

(34,295 posts)
85. i searched for bullet graze wounds and the area surrounding do not look burnt.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:41 PM
Jul 2024

I'm looking at a study and it looks like the bullet stays under 100 degrees C. So, it looks like the average from an AK is 63 degree C. So, I'm guessing about 150 degrees F??? So, the "burning" would minimal. 150 degrees can burn, but I've exposed my feet to it momentarily and so have many others. Our sidewalk and walls hit that temp here in Texas. A car door on a very hot day can likely reach that temp. 150 degrees is probably something our fingers have encounter frequently in the kitchen. Generally boiling point is when you can expect redness from brief contact. I know you can stick your finger in a pot of boing water for a second and nothing happens, however handling the same pot will cause burns.

Based on the contact time, I think any burning would be minimal.

As a comparison: The space shuttle is traveling around 20,000 mph. The same with meteors. A bullet travels at 2,000 mph. The space shuttle and meteors are larger than bullets too.

Velocities and temperatures registered for the 7.62 × 39 mm (AK ammunition) bullet—frame(i).

Test Number VI (m/s) TI,1 (°C) TI,2 (°C) TI,3 (°C)
1 756 43.6 45.7 41.1
2 745 52.3 71.7 45.0
3 750 42.6 48.5 43.6
4 749 41.0 49.6 42.6
5 756 44.8 76.7 42.3
6 748 51.6 97.2 50.7
7 756 48.6 69.2 48.3
8 748 55.8 63.3 53.3
9 757 45.0 64.5 49.5
10 754 49.5 62.9 50.4
11 753 45.7 68.6 45.9
12 754 48.9 67.8 47.7
13 754 47.7 67.1 54.7
14 754 44.7 73.9 48.7
15 753 49.9 69.2 45.3
16 754 48.5 76.1 46.1
17 754 47.3 51.6 50.8
18 752 55.1 49.3 47.2
19 758 46.9 48.8 51.5
20 753 53.1 51.9 49.1
21 756 48.0 47.4 47.5
22 753 50.1 65.6 58.8
23 754 52.4 62.0 54.7
Average 753 48.4 63.0 48.5
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7764414/

calimary

(90,021 posts)
100. Hmmmmm... MOST interesting.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:24 PM
Jul 2024

But he does wear makeup, especially in public or on TV, so there is that, too.

orange jar

(878 posts)
12. Look at the blood, though
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 09:55 PM
Jul 2024
I know the pic is low quality, but you can see where he's bleeding from. If it was an eardrum rupture, he'd be bleeding out from inside the ear. He's very clearly bleeding from the outer cartilage at the top of his ear.

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
70. Agree. He likely reactively swiped at the area himself. Much of his cheek is smudged. We've all done that
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:23 AM
Jul 2024

even if it's an insect near our face.

Follow the blood drip lines that coagulated once he was pinned down by SS. They don't reveal blood flowing from the center of the ear. It was a scratch on the outer ear (upper blood coagulation) possibly including a scrape directly behind the ear.(lower blood coagulation).

calimary

(90,021 posts)
32. Welcome to DU, theCHARLOTTEan!
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:47 AM
Jul 2024

It's just a whole lotta grossness to me. But I know there are DUers here who can see that and make objective sense of it. There are medical minds here who know what it is and can interpret for the rest of us. I'm grateful to them because one look at that and I wanna look AWAY.

moondust

(21,286 posts)
11. LIHOP or MIHOP?
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 09:49 PM
Jul 2024

Secret Service negligently or deliberately overlooked obvious "line of sight" threat?

Capsule or packet of blood in his hand to smash against his ear and create a mess to boost hero/martyr narrative?

The death and injuries of others would seem to disprove any CTs, although glass shard might still be possible. The wound sure looks minor for a speeding bullet.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
24. Not even you would put yourself in the sights of a rifle. A man died, two seriously injured, or did you forget?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:36 AM
Jul 2024

onenote

(46,142 posts)
17. So the guy who can't negotiate a ramp without almost falling down
Thu Jul 25, 2024, 10:48 PM
Jul 2024

was deft enough to engineer a faked reaction to a non-existent bullet, fall to the ground, give himself a fake wound and get up in a matter of seconds.

Suddenly there are people here who think he's fucking superman.

Loosen the tin foil.

cpamomfromtexas

(1,490 posts)
27. Wonder if FBI found shrapnel with
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:38 AM
Jul 2024

His blood on it? If so was it metal or glass?

Im dying to know.

planj07

(60 posts)
30. Probably
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:41 AM
Jul 2024

I’d be more surprised if a bullet actually hit him. If it hit him at all it should’ve taken a chunk out of his ear.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
33. Welcome to DU, planj07!
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:49 AM
Jul 2024

I don't know much about the specifics here. But because it's trump, my suspicions start running away with me.

MiKenMi33

(231 posts)
35. It wasn't staged but
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:55 AM
Jul 2024

Trump is opportunistic. I don’t know what he was grazed by but he required nothing more than a bandaid for a couple hours. He won’t allow his medical records to be released because he doesn’t want anyone to know the truth. He simply is taking advantage, like the con man he is, of a tragedy to further his agenda, gain sympathy, and con his followers.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
40. We have no way of knowing. Remember, when you ASSuME
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:44 AM
Jul 2024

You run the risk of being as dumb as DonOLD.

JI7

(93,617 posts)
42. I think the fact they won't release medical plus lack of interest in what actually happened
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:52 AM
Jul 2024

tells us a lot.

kentuck

(115,406 posts)
43. I think that may have been the case.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:57 AM
Jul 2024

And he wanted to use it to manipulate the people into believing something different than what actually happened.

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
46. More likely, he lied about the source of his injury.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:04 AM
Jul 2024

Something obviously scratched his ear and drew blood. Their secrecy about it sure makes it look like it was caused by something other than a bullet. Like shrapnel or his own fingernail.

 

Paladin

(32,354 posts)
49. Has there ever been another DU thread...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:06 AM
Jul 2024

...with so many DU'ers vehemently siding with trump's version of the truth?

Just asking...

no_hypocrisy

(54,908 posts)
51. If it had been staged (or was fake),
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:26 AM
Jul 2024

the unfortunately fire fighter wouldn't have been killed and other wounded.

To be staged/fake, blanks would have been used and TSF would have had a Hollywood capsule of red dye to smash on his ear. Sort of like the end of The Sting.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
61. You're talking about a man who allowed the siege on the Capitol go on long after the
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:48 AM
Jul 2024

casualties were known about.

I am surprised people think he is above leaving a little collateral damage behind if it gets him what he wants.

Scrivener7

(59,522 posts)
67. Also, I was just watching Lawrence's show from yesterday. He had an excerpt of
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:06 AM
Jul 2024

Wray's testimony that struck me hard. Wray is saying that, with respect to the injury, they don't know if the bullet grazed him or it was something else. BUT he seems to go on to say that they have accounted for all the bullets that were shot from the kid's gun, and maybe one of them grazed trump "and landed somewhere else."

What I take from that is that they have all the bullets, and it doesn't really look like any of them grazed trump and then landed where they landed.

Am I mishearing that or putting too much into his statement?
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-everything-out-of-trump-s-mouth-is-real-garbage-and-it-should-be-treated-as-such-215721541570
The excerpt starts around 2 minutes and goes to about 3 minutes.

Gore1FL

(22,951 posts)
54. Who cares? He was a victim of a failed assassination attempt. Let him wear gauze on his head if he wants. nt
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:30 AM
Jul 2024

33taw

(3,343 posts)
55. Maybe, but his ear is old news. I think
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:34 AM
Jul 2024

We need to focus one the big stuff. Electing Democrats up and down the ballot is priority number one!

bucolic_frolic

(55,140 posts)
58. FBI needs to examine ear
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:41 AM
Jul 2024

Was the surrounding hair intact?

Something still to be explained in my opinion.

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
62. Most people say its just another republicon FAKE-OUT stunt
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:48 AM
Jul 2024

People are accustomed to republicans lying. They kind of expect it.

sarisataka

(22,695 posts)
86. Yes he values his own life
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:45 PM
Jul 2024

so would he ever put himself in a position where he has to have absolute trust in the person shooting "at" him? He would have to surrender all control and know he is solely in the hands of the shooter.

I don't see him ever doing such a thing.

mucholderthandirt

(1,783 posts)
74. To be honest, one can't tell from those images that the teleprompter is intact.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:05 PM
Jul 2024

There could have been a tiny piece of metal frame taken off, which hit Trump's ear. If it was a bullet flying by, it would be the luckiest miss in the history of misses. God's good work, there, you bet.

Or there could have been metal or wood from a bullet hitting something else.

Until there's a full, open and honest investigation, we'll never really know.

Conspiracy #1: The Can't Shoot Straight Kid was given one task: kill spectators while leaving Trump unarmed, a hero with dead people to get justice for. Partial fail.

Conspiracy #2: The CSSK was chosen knowing he'd likely hit Trump, hopefully injure him enough to step down from the campaign without having to actually drop out because he's chicken shit. Or he's killed, he's still out of the campaign, bring in Couch Humper!

I'm getting my tin foil had adjusted today, it's been giving me too many options and I'm worn out trying to figure out which is the right one.

Politicub

(12,328 posts)
76. He has a wound. Wray's testimony at the senate
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:12 PM
Jul 2024

hearing yesterday was curiously worded, I’ll give you that.

But there was a shooter, a man died and others were wounded. That was not faked, and I don’t see the point of indulging the question.

RussBLib

(10,635 posts)
77. Why hasn't the news media clamored for info?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:14 PM
Jul 2024

...we already know that Trump lies about everything. Don't the American people have a right to know details about an alleged assassination attempt? Total dereliction of the medias duty.

https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
78. The NY Times is trying to convince us that it was a bullet.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:20 PM
Jul 2024

Which tells me, he wasn't hit by anything. No medical report, he won't cooperate with investigators...

bluestarone

(22,179 posts)
82. EXACTLY!
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:36 PM
Jul 2024

THIS is who they are. COVER everything up. THEY don't want answers. THIS has been the worst investigated incident, i've ever seen. Hell woulldn't surprise me if it were FAKE blood from a squeeze capsule.

 

tenderfoot

(8,982 posts)
90. I'm hoping for my own personal victory lap should that be the case.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:05 PM
Jul 2024

If that makes me a "truther" then so be it. I find it interesting that so many here insist on taking it all at face value.

Oh and that ear dressing? Bitch please.

maxsolomon

(38,729 posts)
84. * got nicked by a bullet. It's OK to accept it.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:40 PM
Jul 2024

* is lucky as hell. 2" to the right and he'd have been killed instantly.

Stop saying the kid had bad aim - he didn't. He was turned away from his HS shooting team, yes, but he belonged to a shooting range and had been practicing for years.

thatdemguy

(620 posts)
106. From the videos I have been sent, not killing rump was more of an equipment problem
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 04:02 PM
Jul 2024

Than being a bag shot. The video below shows a guy whom can shoot based on him having a gun channel had problems hitting the target as well with a cheaper gun and ammo.
Starting at the point where he shoots, feel free to watch it all to under stand it more.

?si=5NoxfKAMbMzbb9O8&t=416

ForgedCrank

(3,096 posts)
92. This stuff is
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 01:17 PM
Jul 2024

unhelpful, irrelevant, and to be frank, damaging to our entire brand.
Trump was shot and and grazed by a bullet, so just stop it. It's making all of us look like silly kooks and will repel rationally thinking voters that we need on our team.
Yes, Trump unfortunately gets to use that to his advantage now. So take the loss and focus on our new candidate and the related policy so we can get to the winning part. We are starting to sound like the flat Earth and fake moon landing people.

102. Diminishing the severity of the wound diminishes the myth.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 02:48 PM
Jul 2024
"The President [sic] took a bullet in the face for us," versus, "Donald Trump's ear was nicked by flying shrapnel during an AR15 attack which killed an attendee and critically wounded several others during an outdoor rally."

Is there any reason his campaign is refusing to let the hospital release the complete medical records about TFG's injuries and treatment?

Easterncedar

(6,267 posts)
103. Let's just make up a story and repeat it everywhere
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 03:06 PM
Jul 2024

Melania hired a hitman?

Two Magats were shooting at each other in the crowd?

Epstein is alive and escaped and was sending a threat?

Kim Jung Un went off in a jealous rage over TFG’s Putin passion?

karynnj

(60,968 posts)
105. I doubt it. There WAS an assassination attempt that would have been scary in retrospect
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 03:30 PM
Jul 2024

even if he was completely unscathed. Ironically, a man high in his campaign led the swiftboat liars. One of their attacks was that John Kerry was not injured enough.

It doesn't matter if he was cut by a piece of glass or had a VERY tangential bullet strike. As to his claim of taking a bullet for his country, he certainly did not consider this happening and if anything, it was for his campaign.

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