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I don't think the assassination attempt was fake.
If the wound proved it was a bullet he would show it.
He is hiding it.
CrispyQ
(40,969 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)Perhaps now we all know the answer to such a question.
brush
(61,033 posts)and to miss on purpose so he can fake getting shot...No.
Even trump is not that stupid.
SomedayKindaLove
(1,181 posts)The question is what bloodied Trumps ear? A bullet or shrapnel? Both are horrible, but its always nice to get the facts about these things. Keeping score at home I see Donnie and Ronnie saying its a bullet wound. While the CIA, FBI, and police have suggested it could be shrapnel.
brush
(61,033 posts)That's an extremely high-risk operation to fake. Real bullets were coming in. There'd have to be buy-in complicity with the Secret Service, local LEOs and who knows whoelse...I dunno, sounds too "deep-statey" to me.
Admittely the Secret Service did a horrible job.
Maybe, maybe they were...
NO. Can't go there.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)That's exactly who you want to put in charge of the trick shot
brush
(61,033 posts)and an assassination attempt becomes an assassination.
Again, no sarcasm gif.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)for smart people
brush
(61,033 posts)Thank you
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)and stage a coup. And as people were hurt and killed.
I wouldn't be shocked at all if it came out that he did this. And if he DID, then the deaths and injuries were a feature of his plan, not a bug, because they gave it authenticity.
However, the way things go these days, we may never know.
global1
(26,507 posts)Maybe no one was supposed to get hurt or killed - but something didn't go as planned.
Immediately - when I heard it announced that there was an assassination attempt on Tr**p - I thought that it was staged. He was out of the news cycle for quite a few days - with Biden getting all the attention - and I just figured this was a way to catapult him back on the top of the news.
It wasn't till I learned that other people were shot and one was killed - that I thought differently. I believed that it really was a attempt on Tr**p.
Now - because it doesn't seem like we're getting all the details (i.e., a medical report; more info about the gun and ammo used; etc) - I'm thinking maybe it was just a staged plan gone wrong.
I've always been led to believe that the SS was more competent than that was displayed at this event. Their handling of this - from scoping the layout of the venue - to whisking him off the stage - letting him extend his fist - the ear injury and then no real explanation as to the extent of that injury; etc. Just makes is all out to be kind of suspicious.
I hate thinking this way. But - Tr**p over the years has almost conditioned us to think that he was up to creating a spectacle.
It is possible that they (the SS & FBI) are still in the midst of their investigation and at some time in the future will get a more accurate accounting of the happenings - before, during and after - the said attempt.
Note that I'm not the only one that immediately thought this was staged. Again - that's the conditioning that we've been exposed to that makes a whole lot of people think like this.
global1
(26,507 posts)Could He Have Had An Earpiece In His Ear?
And when the SS jumped on him and brought him down - maybe it was yanked from his ear and caused the wound & blood.
They did react rather roughly - as Tr**p is a weighty guy. They needed a lot of brute strength to handle him.
Also remember - his shoes were knocked off. It wasn't the bullet that shot his shoes off. They most likely came off in the scrum of SS - that jumped on him and tried to protect him and ultimately brought him back up to his feet to whisk him away to safety.
Other Thoughts:
- collateral damage? (i.e., the other injuries and death)
- have a discussion with Alec Baldwin (issue of a staged shooting with the unfortunate fact that a real bullet was inserted in his case)
lizardkingjr
(95 posts)the medical report has not been released to the public.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Post 22 shows intact teleprompters after they magically reassembled themselves and magically filled in the missing shards.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219239325#post22
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)Wow, people. You'd never know we're on the same side here.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)The investigation is ongoing.
When the director says there are "questions", it means that the investigation has not reached a conclusion yet, so he hasn't gotten the complete and resolved facts. Thus he speaks cautiously, leaving the issue open pending official reports. He's not going to say one thing or another only to be contradicted by the report.
So by saying "questions", he has said nothing because he can only say nothing on this particular issue: shards vs bullet.
Not attacking you. I'm calling out people who hold onto or push the glass shards theory despite the fact that it is clearly disproven. "There are questions" whether other shards (stage, stage equipment, stands) were involved. The only real evidence exposed so far supporting the Other Shards theory is that a couple of officers got minor injuries from Other Shards. There is much more evidence supporting the Bullet theory.
As to the Faked It theory, it's ridiculous. Two people got severely injured and another one died.
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)No need for a lecture.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)I got the lecture yesterday because I pointed out that stating that it was a bullet is a fact was just as much trutherism as ones that state that it was shrapnel. Disagreeing is not allowed in truther land.
happy feet
(1,279 posts)no mention of where the two wounded and one killed were sitting in relation to TFG? I first assumed they were seated on stage near Trump and caught missed bullets. But I don't see from the videos released and am wondering if they were in the standing audience? in which case ??? strange. I don't know what happened but the lack of initial info (from the medical doctors, the bullet that supposedly ripped his ear, etc.) leaves a void for suspicion.
thatdemguy
(620 posts)So rump was between the shooter and those hit on the right side, you to the below video the guy has it all modeled out in 3d.
allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)his ear. He was bleeding. But whether it was a bullet or fragments of metal or glass seems to be undetermined. And, of course, the drama king is going to play it to the hilt. Unspeakably tragic is that bullets struck innocent people.
sboatcar
(850 posts)They'll never be able to confirm what hit him. It could have been a hummingbird
ArkansasDemocrat1
(3,213 posts)Magic bullet, anyone?
Sunsky
(1,876 posts)They didn't find a bullet at that location. Since we are dealing with facts here. Wray testified that they have collected all the cartridges but he doesn't know if that " bullet" landed somewhere else. Suggesting that the supposed bullet was not found where they thought it should've been but the investigation continues. IMO that was his way of casting doubt Trump was hit by a bullet. We can all have different theories as to what occurred but it's absurd to act as if we know for certain what happened when the FBI (who's investigating) still does not
They haven't even been granted an interview with Trump. They haven't examined his "wound". Trump claims that the medical record states a gunshot wound but still hasn't released such record. Also, the medical record will give an account of what was reported. Release the record so the public can see where and how the GSW was stated on the record. Why all the secrecy? It's reasonable that people have doubts.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trump-wants-fbi-director-resign-immediately-chris-wray-rcna163641
cyclonefence
(5,151 posts)rsdsharp
(12,002 posts)Did the teleprompter suddenly, spontaneously, shatter, and then miraculously reintegrate before the pictures showed both of them seemingly intact? Off it was a glass shard, could it be that a bullet nicked the teleprompter, and was slightly diverted? Were the two people seriously wounded, and the man who was killed also hit by glass shards?
Bullets were being fired. What possible difference can it make what it was that hit his ear?
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)It doesn't mean that Chump was directly hit by a bullet. If he had, he would have died instantly. Picture a watermelon exploding, that would have been Chump's head. But the ammo can send metal shards flying, or it can ricochet off another structure. We don't know what because the medical reports have carefully been kept out of the news.
Isn't it funny how the Repukes can tell us every minute detail about Hunter Biden's sex life, but nobody is the least bit curious about how Chump was almost assassinated in front of thousands of people.
rsdsharp
(12,002 posts)It can happen, although it wouldnt have been an instant ended result.
Technically, shrapnel has a specific meaning:
A hollow projectile containing bullets and a small bursting charge, which, when fired by a time fuse, bursts the shell and scatters the contents in a shower; (also) such shells collectively. Now historical.
The shell was invented by Henry Shrapnel, an artillery officer in the British army, in the 1790s; his proposal for its use was submitted to the Board of Ordnance in 1799 and approved in 1803. The term Shrapnel shell was adopted officially (in place of spherical case shot) in accordance with the Report of a Select Committee at Woolwich dated 11 June, 1852.
Oxford English Dictionary
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radius777
(3,921 posts)given the orange nature of his face.
In all seriousness - yes I agree that unless we see a medical report or other hard evidence from the FBI - we should not mindlessly buy into the idea that he was nicked by the bullet itself. It easily could've been that the bullet hit something else and debris hit his ear. And I don't believe that picture that supposedly shows a 'speeding bullet' as iirc only specialized cameras can capture a bullet moving at that speed.
It was an assassination attempt, and the shooter did take several shots in his direction - that much has been factually established.
cyclonefence
(5,151 posts)2naSalit
(102,793 posts)Could have been from something else.
cyclonefence
(5,151 posts)Celerity
(54,408 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)Even when it's just a photo or two.
ICK!!!
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Obvious, on the day of the event:

cyclonefence
(5,151 posts)theCHARLOTTEan
(19 posts)... It can have immediate bleeding. Followed by drainage for a few days of fluid that is behind the ear drum.
ZZenith
(4,469 posts)theCHARLOTTEan
(19 posts)With the bullet passing so close to his ear the shockwave would have traveled directly into the ear canal. Whether it could also damage the outer tissue of the ear, I'm unsure. But I don't discount that entirely.
rictofen
(267 posts)The galaxy is on Orion's belt!
LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)It would sound the same as someone cracking a whip next to your ear.
ProfessorGAC
(76,706 posts)The force of the shockwave is proportional to the mass of the air volume moved by the projectile.
A liter of air only weighs 1g. If we use the last half-meter before the ear, we're only talking about 22.8g of air, being pushed in a 360° pattern around the bullet path. Just a small fraction of the mass would hit the air canal.
Even at that velocity, I can't see enough force to rupture an eardrum.
Attilatheblond
(8,878 posts)Some burns will bleed, that much I know. But is a bullet in flight hot? If so, maybe it passed, grazing and searing the idiot's ear?
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Even if it had been very hot, the time period in contact with the flesh would have been very tiny.
At 2000 to 3000 feet per second, that is about 600 to 1000 metres per second. The wound was two contact points 2 cm apart, and each contact point was only a few millimetres. But call it 2 cm, and use 500 m/s as speed, which is 50,000 cm / s. 2/50,000 = 0.00004 sec = 0.04 millisec = 40 microseconds which is a very very brief period of time and the actual time was undoubtedly even shorter.
So the wound was from simply blasting out the small chunk of earlobe. The ear being flexible cartilage mainly bent from the force and did not break or explode or get burnt. There was not enough contact or resistance to transfer more than a tiny bit of force aside from the bit of flesh that was in the way.
Attilatheblond
(8,878 posts)A quick burn on an area where skin is very thin and has little to no adipose tissue behind it might cause a little bleeding. Some burns do not even require actual contact, hot air blasts can burn. Was wondering if heat from bullet causing air immediately near it as it travels being impacted by it's passing being heated enough to burn and break delicate skin. I would assume there would be some, even if very slight, temp change due to friction.
Top portion of ear has very thin layer of tissue as opposed to the ear lobe, which wasn't injured, having some adipose under the skin.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)Attilatheblond
(8,878 posts)LeftInTX
(34,295 posts)I'm looking at a study and it looks like the bullet stays under 100 degrees C. So, it looks like the average from an AK is 63 degree C. So, I'm guessing about 150 degrees F??? So, the "burning" would minimal. 150 degrees can burn, but I've exposed my feet to it momentarily and so have many others. Our sidewalk and walls hit that temp here in Texas. A car door on a very hot day can likely reach that temp. 150 degrees is probably something our fingers have encounter frequently in the kitchen. Generally boiling point is when you can expect redness from brief contact. I know you can stick your finger in a pot of boing water for a second and nothing happens, however handling the same pot will cause burns.
Based on the contact time, I think any burning would be minimal.
As a comparison: The space shuttle is traveling around 20,000 mph. The same with meteors. A bullet travels at 2,000 mph. The space shuttle and meteors are larger than bullets too.
Velocities and temperatures registered for the 7.62 × 39 mm (AK ammunition) bulletframe(i).
Test Number VI (m/s) TI,1 (°C) TI,2 (°C) TI,3 (°C)
1 756 43.6 45.7 41.1
2 745 52.3 71.7 45.0
3 750 42.6 48.5 43.6
4 749 41.0 49.6 42.6
5 756 44.8 76.7 42.3
6 748 51.6 97.2 50.7
7 756 48.6 69.2 48.3
8 748 55.8 63.3 53.3
9 757 45.0 64.5 49.5
10 754 49.5 62.9 50.4
11 753 45.7 68.6 45.9
12 754 48.9 67.8 47.7
13 754 47.7 67.1 54.7
14 754 44.7 73.9 48.7
15 753 49.9 69.2 45.3
16 754 48.5 76.1 46.1
17 754 47.3 51.6 50.8
18 752 55.1 49.3 47.2
19 758 46.9 48.8 51.5
20 753 53.1 51.9 49.1
21 756 48.0 47.4 47.5
22 753 50.1 65.6 58.8
23 754 52.4 62.0 54.7
Average 753 48.4 63.0 48.5
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7764414/
Attilatheblond
(8,878 posts)Guess I will toss my sort of theory out.
calimary
(90,021 posts)But he does wear makeup, especially in public or on TV, so there is that, too.
orange jar
(878 posts)
I know the pic is low quality, but you can see where he's bleeding from. If it was an eardrum rupture, he'd be bleeding out from inside the ear. He's very clearly bleeding from the outer cartilage at the top of his ear.allegorical oracle
(6,480 posts)even if it's an insect near our face.
Follow the blood drip lines that coagulated once he was pinned down by SS. They don't reveal blood flowing from the center of the ear. It was a scratch on the outer ear (upper blood coagulation) possibly including a scrape directly behind the ear.(lower blood coagulation).
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)It's just a whole lotta grossness to me. But I know there are DUers here who can see that and make objective sense of it. There are medical minds here who know what it is and can interpret for the rest of us. I'm grateful to them because one look at that and I wanna look AWAY.
Trueblue1968
(19,251 posts)moondust
(21,286 posts)Secret Service negligently or deliberately overlooked obvious "line of sight" threat?
Capsule or packet of blood in his hand to smash against his ear and create a mess to boost hero/martyr narrative?
The death and injuries of others would seem to disprove any CTs, although glass shard might still be possible. The wound sure looks minor for a speeding bullet.
Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(60,320 posts)onenote
(46,142 posts)was deft enough to engineer a faked reaction to a non-existent bullet, fall to the ground, give himself a fake wound and get up in a matter of seconds.
Suddenly there are people here who think he's fucking superman.
Loosen the tin foil.
cpamomfromtexas
(1,490 posts)His blood on it? If so was it metal or glass?
Im dying to know.
planj07
(60 posts)Id be more surprised if a bullet actually hit him. If it hit him at all it shouldve taken a chunk out of his ear.
calimary
(90,021 posts)I don't know much about the specifics here. But because it's trump, my suspicions start running away with me.
MiKenMi33
(231 posts)Trump is opportunistic. I dont know what he was grazed by but he required nothing more than a bandaid for a couple hours. He wont allow his medical records to be released because he doesnt want anyone to know the truth. He simply is taking advantage, like the con man he is, of a tragedy to further his agenda, gain sympathy, and con his followers.
Joinfortmill
(21,167 posts)exactly what did hit him.
Cha
(319,077 posts)Bucky
(55,334 posts)You run the risk of being as dumb as DonOLD.
JI7
(93,617 posts)tells us a lot.
kentuck
(115,406 posts)And he wanted to use it to manipulate the people into believing something different than what actually happened.
GoCubsGo
(34,914 posts)Something obviously scratched his ear and drew blood. Their secrecy about it sure makes it look like it was caused by something other than a bullet. Like shrapnel or his own fingernail.
sunflowerseed
(515 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)...with so many DU'ers vehemently siding with trump's version of the truth?
Just asking...
no_hypocrisy
(54,908 posts)the unfortunately fire fighter wouldn't have been killed and other wounded.
To be staged/fake, blanks would have been used and TSF would have had a Hollywood capsule of red dye to smash on his ear. Sort of like the end of The Sting.
Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)casualties were known about.
I am surprised people think he is above leaving a little collateral damage behind if it gets him what he wants.
no_hypocrisy
(54,908 posts)Scrivener7
(59,522 posts)Wray's testimony that struck me hard. Wray is saying that, with respect to the injury, they don't know if the bullet grazed him or it was something else. BUT he seems to go on to say that they have accounted for all the bullets that were shot from the kid's gun, and maybe one of them grazed trump "and landed somewhere else."
What I take from that is that they have all the bullets, and it doesn't really look like any of them grazed trump and then landed where they landed.
Am I mishearing that or putting too much into his statement?
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/watch/lawrence-everything-out-of-trump-s-mouth-is-real-garbage-and-it-should-be-treated-as-such-215721541570
The excerpt starts around 2 minutes and goes to about 3 minutes.
Gore1FL
(22,951 posts)33taw
(3,343 posts)We need to focus one the big stuff. Electing Democrats up and down the ballot is priority number one!
bucolic_frolic
(55,140 posts)Was the surrounding hair intact?
Something still to be explained in my opinion.
BoRaGard
(7,591 posts)People are accustomed to republicans lying. They kind of expect it.
MichMan
(17,151 posts)obnoxiousdrunk
(3,115 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Paladin
(32,354 posts)sarisataka
(22,695 posts)so would he ever put himself in a position where he has to have absolute trust in the person shooting "at" him? He would have to surrender all control and know he is solely in the hands of the shooter.
I don't see him ever doing such a thing.
Paladin
(32,354 posts)Anything.
mucholderthandirt
(1,783 posts)There could have been a tiny piece of metal frame taken off, which hit Trump's ear. If it was a bullet flying by, it would be the luckiest miss in the history of misses. God's good work, there, you bet.
Or there could have been metal or wood from a bullet hitting something else.
Until there's a full, open and honest investigation, we'll never really know.
Conspiracy #1: The Can't Shoot Straight Kid was given one task: kill spectators while leaving Trump unarmed, a hero with dead people to get justice for. Partial fail.
Conspiracy #2: The CSSK was chosen knowing he'd likely hit Trump, hopefully injure him enough to step down from the campaign without having to actually drop out because he's chicken shit. Or he's killed, he's still out of the campaign, bring in Couch Humper!
I'm getting my tin foil had adjusted today, it's been giving me too many options and I'm worn out trying to figure out which is the right one.
Politicub
(12,328 posts)hearing yesterday was curiously worded, Ill give you that.
But there was a shooter, a man died and others were wounded. That was not faked, and I dont see the point of indulging the question.
RussBLib
(10,635 posts)...we already know that Trump lies about everything. Don't the American people have a right to know details about an alleged assassination attempt? Total dereliction of the medias duty.
https://russblib.blogspot.com/?m=1
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)Which tells me, he wasn't hit by anything. No medical report, he won't cooperate with investigators...
bluestarone
(22,179 posts)THIS is who they are. COVER everything up. THEY don't want answers. THIS has been the worst investigated incident, i've ever seen. Hell woulldn't surprise me if it were FAKE blood from a squeeze capsule.
tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)If that makes me a "truther" then so be it. I find it interesting that so many here insist on taking it all at face value.
Oh and that ear dressing? Bitch please.
LAS14
(15,506 posts)maxsolomon
(38,729 posts)* is lucky as hell. 2" to the right and he'd have been killed instantly.
Stop saying the kid had bad aim - he didn't. He was turned away from his HS shooting team, yes, but he belonged to a shooting range and had been practicing for years.
thatdemguy
(620 posts)Than being a bag shot. The video below shows a guy whom can shoot based on him having a gun channel had problems hitting the target as well with a cheaper gun and ammo.
Starting at the point where he shoots, feel free to watch it all to under stand it more.
orthoclad
(4,728 posts)Why no police report on the wound? Criminal case issue, not HIPAA.
ForgedCrank
(3,096 posts)unhelpful, irrelevant, and to be frank, damaging to our entire brand.
Trump was shot and and grazed by a bullet, so just stop it. It's making all of us look like silly kooks and will repel rationally thinking voters that we need on our team.
Yes, Trump unfortunately gets to use that to his advantage now. So take the loss and focus on our new candidate and the related policy so we can get to the winning part. We are starting to sound like the flat Earth and fake moon landing people.
John Shaft
(808 posts)ForgedCrank
(3,096 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(13,291 posts)Is there any reason his campaign is refusing to let the hospital release the complete medical records about TFG's injuries and treatment?
Easterncedar
(6,267 posts)Melania hired a hitman?
Two Magats were shooting at each other in the crowd?
Epstein is alive and escaped and was sending a threat?
Kim Jung Un went off in a jealous rage over TFGs Putin passion?
karynnj
(60,968 posts)even if he was completely unscathed. Ironically, a man high in his campaign led the swiftboat liars. One of their attacks was that John Kerry was not injured enough.
It doesn't matter if he was cut by a piece of glass or had a VERY tangential bullet strike. As to his claim of taking a bullet for his country, he certainly did not consider this happening and if anything, it was for his campaign.






