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Quixote1818

(31,158 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:05 AM Jul 2024

Something that has been bothering me about the photo of the bullet going past Trump. The bullet is too low

The bullet hit the top of his ear and this bullet appears to be near the very bottom of his front ear. If you draw in where his other ear would have to be on the opposite side to be hit near the top of the ear, it doesn't seem possible that is the right bullet. The top of the ear is around eye level. Look at where Trump's right eye is and how much above the bullet it is. I still think he was probably hit in the ear by a bullet, but I don't think this photo is of the bullet that hit his ear.


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Something that has been bothering me about the photo of the bullet going past Trump. The bullet is too low (Original Post) Quixote1818 Jul 2024 OP
There is another thread here birdographer Jul 2024 #1
That was the first thing I noticed when that image was posted. Although niyad Jul 2024 #2
Maybe, but knowing that the photographer is looking up from ground level, it's hard to say. CincyDem Jul 2024 #3
I thought about that too. Calculating that in, I still think that would put his other ear too low. Again, look at where Quixote1818 Jul 2024 #4
Yeah.. Trajectory analysis is complex so I'll butt out on this. It will be completed, I'm sure.. hlthe2b Jul 2024 #12
The photographer did an incredible job MichMan Jul 2024 #16
You are failing to consider sarisataka Jul 2024 #5
I am 100% considering that but it's still way too low. Look at where his right eye is in the photo Quixote1818 Jul 2024 #6
I am not a forensic photographer sarisataka Jul 2024 #9
Right. I thought about the airplane example. CincyDem Jul 2024 #8
That logic only works with distance between the objects whopis01 Jul 2024 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author sl8 Jul 2024 #20
A bullet with that muzzle velocity hitting his ear would not have gone through. Lochloosa Jul 2024 #7
No it wouldn't sarisataka Jul 2024 #11
Those objects were much closer (bullets moving faster) Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #14
Look at it this way whopis01 Jul 2024 #21
Just don't see how it matters. He was shot at. We weren't voting for him before, and not voting for him now. Silent Type Jul 2024 #13
Just because it is a bullet, doesn't mean it is the bullet. n/t Ms. Toad Jul 2024 #15
That's the bullet before the bullet lame54 Jul 2024 #17
I believe the shooter fired 8 rounds. sl8 Jul 2024 #18
Not worth discussing. nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #19
In case ForgedCrank Jul 2024 #22

birdographer

(2,937 posts)
1. There is another thread here
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:13 AM
Jul 2024

that shows what happens when a bullet "grazes" an ear, and it is very obvious that no bullet touched or got very close to his ear. Like those around him, he was hit by debris.

niyad

(133,973 posts)
2. That was the first thing I noticed when that image was posted. Although
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:13 AM
Jul 2024

several people agreed, others basically told me I was wrong. I still say. . .

CincyDem

(7,409 posts)
3. Maybe, but knowing that the photographer is looking up from ground level, it's hard to say.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:15 AM
Jul 2024

The kid shot 8 rounds in fast sequence. Could be any one of them. Could be half a dozen feet above trumps head if it’s 8-10 feet behind him. Perspective and create a lot of illusions in photography.

Only way to really know is the trajectory analysis knowing where the bullets started and where (or in who) they landed. Even then, with wind and exact position errors, we’ll probably never be able to really know for sure how close this ear-miss was.

IMHO.

Quixote1818

(31,158 posts)
4. I thought about that too. Calculating that in, I still think that would put his other ear too low. Again, look at where
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 2024

his right eye is in the photo. His right ear should be very close to where the bullet went.

hlthe2b

(114,628 posts)
12. Yeah.. Trajectory analysis is complex so I'll butt out on this. It will be completed, I'm sure..
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:45 AM
Jul 2024

I will say that photo is pretty amazing.

MichMan

(17,387 posts)
16. The photographer did an incredible job
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:30 PM
Jul 2024

Standing his ground like that while bullets were flying showed incredible dedication to his craft. He deserves every accolade coming his way.

sarisataka

(22,818 posts)
5. You are failing to consider
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:19 AM
Jul 2024

the bullet is in a different vertical plane than the ear we can see. They are not so perspective must be taken into account.

As an extreme example, imagine there was an airplane in the same position in the photo as the bullet. No one would claim it was at the level of his ear.

Also we have no idea if this bullet is the one he claims hit his ear.

Quixote1818

(31,158 posts)
6. I am 100% considering that but it's still way too low. Look at where his right eye is in the photo
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:21 AM
Jul 2024

That is where the bullet would be passing to hit the top of the ear on the right side. His right eye would need to be near his mouth for the bullets placement to make sense.

sarisataka

(22,818 posts)
9. I am not a forensic photographer
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:25 AM
Jul 2024

who can analyze the relationship between him and the bullet. To my untrained eye it does seem too low. But as I said it may not be the one he is claiming hit him.

I don't believe the photo proves/disproves anything except the claims he wasn't shot at.

CincyDem

(7,409 posts)
8. Right. I thought about the airplane example.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:24 AM
Jul 2024

The other ones are the pics of holding the Eiffel Tower in the palm of your hand or pushing the leaning Tower of Pisa over. Always fun with the kids on vacation, especially the first times when they’re young. lol

whopis01

(3,931 posts)
10. That logic only works with distance between the objects
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:26 AM
Jul 2024

The bullet has to be very close to his head in the depth of that frame (otherwise it could not have hit him). So no matter what the angle of the shot is, it isn't going to be that far off.

The example of the plane only works because it is so far distant in the depth of the field of view.

Response to whopis01 (Reply #10)

sarisataka

(22,818 posts)
11. No it wouldn't
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 10:34 AM
Jul 2024

There is a huge difference in energy transfer between direct hits and a grazing wound

Ms. Toad

(38,806 posts)
14. Those objects were much closer (bullets moving faster)
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:38 AM
Jul 2024

And none were grazing shots, and those hittng the watermelon after it was on the ground (with the bullet hitting watermelon + ground) aren't the dynamic equivalent of clipping the edge of the ear and continuing on loading virtually none of its energy.

whopis01

(3,931 posts)
21. Look at it this way
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:49 PM
Jul 2024

If a bullet were to pass two inches outside his ear, it would miss and do no damage.
If a bullet were to pass two inches inside his ear, it would have done massive damage and killed him.

There is a point between those two where the bullet grazes his ear and does a small amount of damage.

It isn't as if you can go from it missing to blowing his ear off by just changing the path by a fraction of a millimeter. There is a point where it grazes.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
13. Just don't see how it matters. He was shot at. We weren't voting for him before, and not voting for him now.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 11:13 AM
Jul 2024

sl8

(17,147 posts)
18. I believe the shooter fired 8 rounds.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:34 PM
Jul 2024

Is there a reason to believe this one is the one that grazed him? Has anyone credible said that this is "the" bullet?

Also, the position of the photographer could be a factor in how the relative locations of the bullet and head appear.

ForgedCrank

(3,120 posts)
22. In case
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 12:53 PM
Jul 2024

you weren't aware
First, there were 8 bullets, we don't know which one this is.
Secondly, this photo was taken from a ground position probably 6-8 feet below Trump, pointing upwards. That shot is almost exactly where it needed to be in order to hit his ear.
Also, the Earth is a sphere.

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