Looks like James Carville is out their trying to tap down the enthusiasm over VP Harris

[JohnSJ]

Carville: Democrats’ ‘giddy elation’ over Harris won’t be ‘helpful much longer’

"Democratic strategist James Carville warned that Democrats’ “giddy elation” over Vice President Harris’s presidential campaign won’t be “helpful much longer” as Republicans seek to regain lost ground after President Biden’s withdrawal from the race.

“They’re coming at us, and they’re gonna keep coming,” Carville said during an interview with MSNBC’s Ari Melber of the GOP attacks. “And this kind of giddy elation is not going to be very helpful much longer ‘cause that’s now what we’re gonna be faced with.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4794138-carville-democrats-giddy-elation-over-harris-wont-be-helpful-much-longer/

I am not a Carville fan. No one is naive about what we are up against, and from now until the end of August we will be having our virtual convention, an in-person convention, and get to know and introduce our candidate VP Harris and her VP selection to the public, and why anyone would want to throw cold water on the enthusiasm that will be generated from those events is just plain nonsense.

Typical Carville, and completely unecessary.

[jmbar2]

1. I don't get what's gotten into him

Last gasps of a dinosaur. Not worth platforming any more.

[getagrip_already]

4. Afraid of disapearing into that dark, quiet night

Of irrelevance. Lot of that going around.

So people make outragious statements to grab a mention or two.

[smb]

6. Carville Has Delusions Of Relevance nt

[Easterncedar]

41. That.

[Attilatheblond]

48. Someone should arrange a cage fight between Carville and Newt Gingrich

The Battle of the Bygoners.

[Autumn]

7. His wife is a Republican. IMO she gave birth to the rise of Empty Greene and the rest.

He's beginning to morph into her.

[Ghost of Tom Joad]

69. Where is his wife?

Has she been around lately? I haven't seen her in years.

[Lonestarblue]

2. I get Carville's emails ll the time, and they are annoying.

I have tried unsubscribing several times, but they’re back within a week.

[XanaDUer2]

3. We know this already

Democrats will have to be naieve. But jfc, can we be happy after the nightmare weeks after the debate

[Susan Calvin]

5. I've never trusted somebody who's married to a Republican.

To me, that's an indication that he views politics as a game.

[BComplex]

16. People who are democrats and republicans have totally different sets of values and ethics. How can one be married

to the other? Values and ethics are what, to me, makes the partnerships whole.

[Pendrench]

59. Hi BComplex - my wife is a registered Republican, and we've been happily married for almost 30 years.

Do we disagree on some things? Of course - but I would say that overall we share similar values and ethics.

I will also say, however, that she is definitely not a "MAGA/Trump Republican".

Take care!

Tim

[karynnj]

73. In their case, both are political operatives

The winning of the game likely matters more than governing, policies and values. Same as learning Karl Rove and Donna Brazille were good friends.

As to Carville, he may be the most overrated operative ever. I seriously think that ANY Democrat would have won in 1992, given how toxic Bush became and the relentless attacks of Perot on Bush for more than a year. He and Begala's "war room" made the race iconic. In fact, Clinton was a charismatic candidate with baggage.

[SoFlaBro]

8. He has fucking been suspect since he married a GQP puke. Your fucking judgement is flawed when you do this fuck shit.

[radius777]

9. Carville is just trying to focus the troops.

He knows how campaigns work, and how vicious the Republicans are.

All he's doing is letting our side know that it's going to take alot of work to win this.

[Ocelot II]

27. Like we didn't know! He's insulting the intelligence of a lot of people - women in particular -

by suggesting Harris' campaign is just a bunch of happy fluff (women, you know) and they don't know what they'll have to face. Like a black woman in politics doesn't know at least as much as an old white guy about the shit that will be thrown at her. He's become an arrogant old asshole.

"Focus the troops," my fat old pink ass. I've never seen troops more focused in my whole life.

[radius777]

33. Carville wanted Biden out more than anyone,

and was very happy when Harris was chosen.

He isn't speaking about Harris herself or her campaign - but about the Dem base and those on social media.

Carville's role usually is that - in 2020 when many Dems on election night felt all was lost - I remember him getting on TV and rallying the troops to hold on and believe.

[mucholderthandirt]

68. We don't need him for that.

We know this is going to take work. We know it better than he does.

Carville is irrelevant to today's political scene. He needs to shut up and go away.

I tried that being married to the enemy crap. It doesn't work, for me or for him, unless he isn't what he claims to be. There's no middle ground between R and D, in life, in marriage, in work. There's no reaching across the aisle with those people. There's no amicable sharing of a marriage bed between two opposing beliefs.

People who are only Republican because of conservative financial concerns, that's what moderate Democrats are for.

[honest.abe]

10. I tend to take note when Carville speaks but this seems like attention seeking on his part.

Enthusiasm is just what is needed right now given how horrible most of felt just a week ago.

[Rebl2]

62. Wish he

would just go away.

[Politicub]

11. I haven't been able to stand his mansplaining for years.

His brand became a Democratic Party scold long ago.

He’s always game for throwing water on excitement and enthusiasm.

I suspect that young people have no idea who this bitter guy is. And he comes across as so out of touch.

[brooklynite]

12. Doesn't bother me.

Being prepared for what’s coming shouldn’t “tamp down enthusiasm”, and if it does, perhaps people should ask why their enthusiasm is so shallow.

This is going to be tough, close campaign. Be prepared for it.

[gab13by13]

18. It isn't people whose enthusiasm will be tamped down

it's Carville claiming the enthusiasm will wane.

Do you agree with Carville?

Ari Melber and the right wing rag "The Hill" are giving Carville a platform. He has been washed up for a long time. maybe he wants a spot on Fox?

Ah, now I see, Carville pushes for Moderate Democrats like he pushed for Lamb in Pa.

[brooklynite]

39. Sorry to disappoint you...

My opinion on Lamb vs Fetterman came from my meetings with both. Given the Republican alternative, either was likely to win.

Perhaps your engagements with them were different?

[BumRushDaShow]

55. Like Summer Lee

who had no chance?

[brooklynite]

60. Does Ms. Lee agreed with DSA's stated goal of "defeating capitalism"?

She might be disappointed by by the policies of the Harris Administration.

https://www.dsausa.org/statements/status-of-dsa-national-endorsement-for-rep-ocasio-cortez/

[BumRushDaShow]

64. In this context, it doesn't matter her agenda...

just that she was not electable and "unlikely to win" in a thoroughly un-researched answer.

She knows what the priorities are, for example - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218086259

[Charlie Chapulin]

13. Well...

…James Carville is an old white guy from Louisiana.
Just sayin’.

[Paladin]

14. If you haven't abandoned Carville, please do so, immediately.

His positive Democratic credentials are a thing of the past. He talks so much shit about Democrats now, he might as well be part of the NY Times opinion section. Leave him to the vicious (Bill Maher) or the clueless (Ari Melber). He is of no further use to for-real Democrats.

[flying_wahini]

15. He's becoming too much a curmudgeon. Always pissing on our parade.

I guess he thinks that is his role in the party.

[irisblue]

17. From Carville wiki page. The 2020 haven't been his decade it seems

..."In January 2020, Carville endorsed Colorado Senator Michael Bennet's ultimately unsuccessful campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination."

..."In February 2020, Carville suggested jettisoning the Democratic presidential primaries and caucuses, letting House Speaker Nancy Pelosi select the Democratic Party's presidential and vice-presidential candidates, and suggested Mitt Romney should "resign from the Senate to save the Democratic Party's ass, and run our convention." Carville further added he might cast a write in vote for Nancy Pelosi when he votes in Louisiana."


..."Carville's Super PAC bankrolled TV ads which sought to portray one of Lamb's primary opponents, Lieutenant Governor John Fetterman as a "self-described democratic socialist." Within a day of airing, PolitiFact and Factcheck.org called the attack ad false,[188] The Philadelphia Inquirer commented that Fetterman had never actually described himself that way,[189] the ABC affiliate in Philadelphia, stopped broadcasting the ad,[190] and Senator Elizabeth Warren called on Lamb to disavow it.[191] Echoing a fanciful attack by Pennsylvania Republican Party chairman Val DiGiorgio, Carville himself re-tweeted news coverage on Fetterman being labeled a "silver spoon socialist."



Mayhaps he would consider retirement? Naah, he is still living and making bank off 1992.

[orange jar]

25. Exactly.

He doesn't seem to have a functioning sense of judgment. Not exactly someone I'd currently trust to advise Democrats what we should and should not be doing.

[krawhitham]

19. Carville has not had a valid political thought since October 1993, but swing state polling is still horrible

https://redfieldandwiltonstrategies.com/latest-us-swing-states-voting-intention-22-24-july-2024/

[Aepps22]

26. Still too Early

Any polling right now both positive and negative is still too early to extrapolate. I’d be interested to see where things are in a few weeks once the news of Kamala has been fully absorbed

[radius777]

35. And recent polls showed she has

closed some of the gap from where Biden was - and those polls were taken before she's campaigned or selected a VP or we've had our convention.

Trump has reached his ceiling - there's lots of upside for us as long as we run a good campaign.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

31. When I look for opinions on American elections, I always go to right-wing British tabloids NT

[krawhitham]

36. It's not just just one poll, don't bury your head in the sand. This is not over & we are not winning yet

[AZSkiffyGeek]

40. Who said anything about burying heads in sand?

I said the Telegraph is a right wing tabloid. There’s a rule about that, I believe.

[krawhitham]

42. You didn't like the results of a Poll so you rejected it by calling it "right-wing", that's pretty much text book

BURYING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND

What's next unskewing the polls

[AZSkiffyGeek]

43. Hey, I'm not the one peddling right-wing sources here

I'm also not the one accusing another DUer of "burying their head in the sand". No matter how many times you shout it.
But thanks for your concern about my opinions of polls (which, psst, were never given).
OR SHOULD I SHOUT THAT AT YOU?
"I NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT THE POLL RESULTS"
But your concern is noted.

[senseandsensibility]

52. The poster you are responding to never said anything about the polls

He or she commented on the publication, which is indeed rightwing, and a rag. If you don't agree with that you might want to say why. Otherwise your comment is irrelevant and has no merit.

[Emrys]

65. Correction: The Telegraph isn't and has never been a tabloid

As for being right-wing ... guilty as charged. Boris Johnson used to refer to it as his "boss". During the debates after the Brexit referendum its front page rabble-roused against judges who ruled the government should follow the law with the headlines "The judges versus the people" and "Don't defy the people, judges told".

And Redfield & Wilton's polling in the UK has always been sub-par, skewing right.

[Bengus81]

49. LOL...she's been out there for less than 5 days. Hasn't even been officially nominated but they have polls?

I guess the "polling" missed the boat load of contributions she's received mainly from small $$ donors.

[LAS14]

74. Thanks for this! I think it's important...

... that we not retreat into a bubble. We need clear eyes to get to the prize.

[calguy]

20. I think he's keeping our eyes on the prize

It's easy to feel over confident after the week we've had, but Carville knows they're coming for us with everything they got. Love him or hate him, we shouldn't just write off everything he says, because he's been there, he's seen it all.

[edisdead]

21. The ragin hemaroid.

[Cirsium]

22. Offense, not defense

There is a great advantage in being on the offensive rather than worrying about and creating to what the Republicans are doing, or might be doing.

I am reminded of of Grant's remarks to his panicky officers during the battle of the Wilderness.

"Oh, I am heartily tired of hearing about what Lee is going to do. Some of you always seem to think he is suddenly going to turn a double somersault, and land in our rear and on both of our flanks at the same time. Go back to your command, and try to think what we are going to do ourselves, instead of what Lee is going to do."

Let's think about what we are going to do, instead of what the Republicans might do, and let's retain the momentum and initiative we now have.

[beaglelover]

23. After he said this, he then watched her statement on Isreal and then he was all giddy himself! Said she did a great job

[Sunsky]

24. Carville is doing what Carville does

Stifle Democratic enthusiasm and create chaos within the party. I don't pay attention to him.

[Mountainguy]

28. This thread is full of terrible takes

Hes right. The race is going to be a dog fight so get ready

[Bengus81]

50. Which everyone knows but Carville is trying to come off as some genius?

No one here has said this has now become a landslide for Dems. If Dems and the Harris campaign thought that she wouldn't be out on the road since Sunday/Monday.

I think Carville looks lonely......

[brush]

29. Carville has turned into an old get-off-my-lawn curmudgeon, but you must not have watched...

Melber's show to the end. Later during the show a clip was played of VP Harris' brief presser, with Netanyahu right there, she was firm in her potition that Israel has the right to defend itself but stressed that it is time for the war to end and the suffering in Gaza end with a ceasefire and negotiations towards a two-state solution.

Why Carville was beside himelf with giddinesss as he marveled at her ability and strength to Netanyahu's face. He called it her first foreign policy address.

You probably should add that to your post. And I'm no fan of Carville but I believe in reporting the whole story.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

30. 'Debbie Downer' James Carville bashed by MSNBC panel for panic over Kamala Harris

I stopped paying attention to Carville a while back.

Link to tweet

https://www.rawstory.com/carville-kamala-harris/

Reacting to an appearance by veteran Democratic strategist James Carville on MSNBC Thursday night in which he attempted to pour cold water on enthusiasm for Vice President Kamala Harris, the panel on "Morning Joe" hammered him for underestimating what is going on.

With Carville giving a dark warning that Donald Trump and his allies are going to come after Harris hard with an avalanche of attacks, former Hillary Clinton spokesperson Jennifer Palmieri all but rolled her eyes and stated that his point was more than obvious — and he needed to dial down the doom.

"I don't understand why James has to be a Debbie Downer," the exasperated Palmieri complained. "I don't know why we need to step on our enthusiasm, seriously. Democrats are enthusiastic, they're excited to have an answer to the question about who is the best person to take on Donald Trump."

"I don't think anybody is unaware of how nasty the Republicans can get and that it is a difficult race," she continued while speaking to host Jonathan Lemire. "You know, the vice president has seen a big jump in polling, right? That's sort of what is hard, is the last two, three percentage points, right? That's what the whole game is about. "

"We've had really great week, her numbers are improving and I think it's true that the Republicans are caught off guard," she added. "They don't quite know how to attack her or, you know, what her ticket is going to end up being."

[hlthe2b]

32. People seem to think he was big time helping the Hillary camp. I don't remember that. He was always a Bill Clinton guy

and it is not clear to me that he has ever felt similarly toward a female candidate. I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but that is how I remember it.

[angrychair]

34. Speaking of old people

We need to send into retirement...we need to put Carville out to pasture so he can keep some semblance of his dignity.
Coming out just to piss in the Democrats Wheaties is not helpful and to be clear, no one asked his opinion.

[Sky Jewels]

37. Did he catch brain worms from RFK Jr.?

[maxsolomon]

38. He's not wrong.

But we can spare a week for giddy elation.

[BannonsLiver]

44. It's "tamp down" and he wasn't wrong about everything he said.

[Buckeyeblue]

45. Carville helped end 12 years of Republican presidents, he stills what he's talking about

He sometimes gets a little out there but we all do from time to time. He said last fall the Biden wouldn't end up being our candidate. He was right.

When he talks, I listen. Sometimes I laugh but I listen.

[BluenFLA]

46. He was like this in the 2020 election

All gloom and doom, saying Biden could not win and kept promoting Bennett as the one who should get the nomination. Yes, that Sen. Bennett who called for Biden to drop out.

[Gore1FL]

51. He lost all credibility when he helped oust Howard Dean as DNC chair. nt

[LearnedHand]

53. STFU Carville!

Not only do we need the joy right now, I’m sick to DEATH of the dour scolding and cruel taunting of the Repukes. Fuck them and their god-bothering, Middle Ages vision for the US. And fuck Carville for trying to push us back there.

[SWBTATTReg]

54. carville is a wet sock, and he is realizing that he no longer has the relevance that he formerly had (I IMHO

never really liked him, for some reason they keep bringing him back on).

Go away carville. Go crave your initials on a tree or something.

[Skittles]

56. first there was disillusionment, now there is overconfidence

I've seen posts declaring WE'VE WON!

NO. WE. HAVE .NOT..

THERE IS LOTS OF WORK TO BE DONE!!!

[Oopsie Daisy]

57. What the fuck is his problem? He's turning into another Michael Moore and Bill Maher *

* a self-serving know-it-all who stops at nothing to cause doubts and worry... to suppress the vote... then to stand back and say "WELL, I TOLD YOU SO!" if the efforts are successful!

[AverageOldGuy]

58. Obsolescence

Carville knows he’s drifting into irrelevancy and fighting it.

[sagetea]

63. He really needs to

see "Monsters, Inc." As the gen Z'ers learned, you can generate more energy with laughter than you can with fear.

sage

[BigDemVoter]

66. I don't know what he's had up his ass. . . .

I used to like him pretty well. . . He married Mary Matalin who worked for Reagan, George H.W. Bush, and the war criminal, George W. Bush. . . .She was full of shit in all of her roles. I can only conclude that being full of shit is contagious, and that explains Carville's recent behavior.

[dsharp88]

67. I think he's just making sure we don't assume the election is already won

We’re going to have to work like we’re behind even while we are trending up

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

70. He can't help being a wet blanket

It's not about you James.

[alarimer]

71. Every time Trump or Vance says anything, they lose ground.

They can’t help themselves.

So, I’m not sure what Carville is talking about.

[LAS14]

72. I'm personally energized by plain speaking Dems. Let's get out and fight!! nt