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Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:15 PM Jul 2024

New FOX News swing state polls:

Michigan 🟦 Harris 49% 🟥 Trump 49%
Minnesota 🟦 Harris 52% 🟥 Trump 46%
Pennsylvania 🟦 Harris 49% 🟥 Trump 49%
Wisconsin 🟥 Trump 50% 🟦 Harris 49%



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New FOX News swing state polls: (Original Post) Self Esteem Jul 2024 OP
She still has some work to do ColinC Jul 2024 #1
Good starting point. I'm hoping the convention, like in 1992, cements her lead and she doesn't look back. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #2
I think she will likely make up a lot of ground before then, and hopefully the convention just propels her far over the ColinC Jul 2024 #3
With Kennedy in the race, she's ahead in 2 states kerry-is-my-prez Jul 2024 #41
Yeah it's also still very early. But it's not a bad place to start. ColinC Jul 2024 #42
Poll Was For Republican Voters NonPC Jul 2024 #28
*Ahem* ... We still have work to do Bucky Jul 2024 #21
WE still have work to do! ColinC Jul 2024 #26
Don't call, text or knock on my door lame54 Jul 2024 #40
Okay. Please PM me your exact address... Bucky Jul 2024 #45
And as of Saturday it hasn't even been a week yet. elocs Jul 2024 #37
A great start. But, complacency is our enemy. The other side WILL try to divide us... PeaceWave Jul 2024 #4
news cycle favors dems to the end of convention...trump will try stuff that gives him maximum attention nt msongs Jul 2024 #5
Wh would anyone take a foxnews poll seriously? Think. Again. Jul 2024 #6
This year, Fox polls have been more in line with polling trends than the NYT polls. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #7
I can't for one minute believe... Think. Again. Jul 2024 #8
And yet, the truth is their polls tend to be more favourable to Dems than the NYT polls. Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #10
That isn't saying much, though. Is a little lie better than a big lie? Think. Again. Jul 2024 #11
Their polls are legit. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2024 #16
Is there a source for how legit FAUX Polls are? I agree with being a sceptic of FAUX News anything uponit7771 Jul 2024 #23
No FOX News is actually higher quality than CNN kansasobama Jul 2024 #15
FOX's polls are actually legitimate, even if their spin on them is not. BlueCheeseAgain Jul 2024 #13
Their polls are pretty good democrattotheend Jul 2024 #29
I usually say wait a week before believing the polls, so it coming time now... Wounded Bear Jul 2024 #9
Just about zero undecideds. The ground game will win it for the Democrats. everyonematters Jul 2024 #12
Ironically speaking, FOX News polls are high quality kansasobama Jul 2024 #14
After the sentencing in September, there will be a swing to Kamala's favor. ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2024 #17
Michigan? edhopper Jul 2024 #18
By how much did Biden win those two states? Iggo Jul 2024 #19
Biden was down in PA and MI before he got out. BannonsLiver Jul 2024 #25
Turn out is very important Johonny Jul 2024 #30
How is Minnesota a swing state? SocialDemocrat61 Jul 2024 #20
Minnesota polls were tied up just a week ago Bucky Jul 2024 #22
The problem in 2016 wasn't Trump overperforming but rather third party candidates taking away from Hillary. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #34
I've never believed in the "we was ROBBED by 3rd parties" excuse Bucky Jul 2024 #46
You're arguing about something I never said. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #54
Then I apologize Bucky Jul 2024 #56
I did. Self Esteem Jul 2024 #57
One of the little discussed (here, due to the terms laid down) but crucial components Celerity Jul 2024 #44
For me, the turning point was when NJ came down to 1% difference Bucky Jul 2024 #47
Good catch! I forgot to list NJ. I think even ME was starting to slide (not to the same point as the others, but still) Celerity Jul 2024 #48
We lost the Iron Range union vote to the GOP NickB79 Jul 2024 #55
Is there a link to polling internals? I don't trust FAUX News about anything ... nothing good or bad ... nothing uponit7771 Jul 2024 #24
Not believing these. The same wall of poll hype Biden faced, & they'll try to confound public perception with these. ancianita Jul 2024 #27
Even if you are suspicious about the percentages the trend is favorable Trekologer Jul 2024 #31
Yes, there's a silver lining playbook factor in corporate media polls. ancianita Jul 2024 #43
These are significant improvements from Biden's numbers. Sky Jewels Jul 2024 #35
I'm so tired of "swing states" getting all the love RainCaster Jul 2024 #32
Do you know how to "get rid of" the electoral college? Bucky Jul 2024 #50
I'm with you, RainCaster! I'd LOVE to see us amend the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College. BComplex Jul 2024 #52
Don't give up! Who ever thought we'd have a black POTUS? RainCaster Jul 2024 #53
Much better! Johnny2X2X Jul 2024 #33
Thank You - K & R !!! Rubyshoo Jul 2024 #36
More completely meaningless polls except to show what the previous ones did. A close race. Poll obsession is POINTLESS. Deek1935 Jul 2024 #38
and Wisconsin...what the hell is wrong with Wisconsin..... a kennedy Jul 2024 #39
Well, this is cheerful! Thanks for the post. nt LAS14 Jul 2024 #49
Looking good republianmushroom Jul 2024 #51
 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
2. Good starting point. I'm hoping the convention, like in 1992, cements her lead and she doesn't look back.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:18 PM
Jul 2024

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
3. I think she will likely make up a lot of ground before then, and hopefully the convention just propels her far over the
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:19 PM
Jul 2024

finish line.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,283 posts)
41. With Kennedy in the race, she's ahead in 2 states
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 09:56 PM
Jul 2024

Kennedy actually helps her in 2 states, makes no difference in another, and fall behind in another.

Pennsylvania

Harris:
Tie. - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
+2 Harris -7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)


Wisconsin (10 EV)

Harris:
+1 Tr - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
Tie - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)


Minnesota

+6 Harris - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
+6 Harris - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)


Michigan (15 EV)

Harris:

+.3 Harris - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
+2 Tr - 7/22-7/24 - Fox News
(W/Kennedy)

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
21. *Ahem* ... We still have work to do
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:09 PM
Jul 2024

You can phone bank from anywhere in the country.

I'm weighing to see if I can move to a swing state in October & early November to block walk for Kamala

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
37. And as of Saturday it hasn't even been a week yet.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:54 PM
Jul 2024

But it has been a week of enthusiasm and hope among Democrats and those on the Left as well as some non-maga Republicans.

PeaceWave

(3,384 posts)
4. A great start. But, complacency is our enemy. The other side WILL try to divide us...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:22 PM
Jul 2024

Trump and his minions will try to make the entire election all about race. That's always been their modus operandi.

msongs

(73,755 posts)
5. news cycle favors dems to the end of convention...trump will try stuff that gives him maximum attention nt
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:28 PM
Jul 2024
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
8. I can't for one minute believe...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:41 PM
Jul 2024

...that foxnews would ever present anything, ever, that isn't intended to hurt Democrats somehow.

DemocratSinceBirth

(101,853 posts)
16. Their polls are legit.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:52 PM
Jul 2024

Some of the questions Fox has them ask are tendendentious. It doesn't matter as long as the horse race questions are first.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
23. Is there a source for how legit FAUX Polls are? I agree with being a sceptic of FAUX News anything
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:19 PM
Jul 2024

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,983 posts)
13. FOX's polls are actually legitimate, even if their spin on them is not.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:49 PM
Jul 2024

They contract with a pair of Dem/GOP pollsters to do their polls: Beacon Research (D) and Shaw & Company Research (R).

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
29. Their polls are pretty good
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:26 PM
Jul 2024

The way they report them is often slanted, but the polls themselves are legit polls with live interviews, done by a reputable Democratic and Republican pollster, and well rated on 538. They don't usually tilt any further right than other news organizations' polls.

Wounded Bear

(64,328 posts)
9. I usually say wait a week before believing the polls, so it coming time now...
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:43 PM
Jul 2024

to pay attention to the trends we are seeing. Positive movement towards the blue is about all we can ask for these days, so improving news.

everyonematters

(4,158 posts)
12. Just about zero undecideds. The ground game will win it for the Democrats.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:45 PM
Jul 2024

Democrats will get out the early vote. Republican don't do it which means some of them won't make it on election day.

kansasobama

(1,750 posts)
14. Ironically speaking, FOX News polls are high quality
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:50 PM
Jul 2024

FOX News polling is handled by a very good group.

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,898 posts)
17. After the sentencing in September, there will be a swing to Kamala's favor.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 06:56 PM
Jul 2024

For Judge Merchan will brief and follow the law. No way is he going to drop the verdict.

edhopper

(37,370 posts)
18. Michigan?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:01 PM
Jul 2024

Whitmer won by 10 percent, how can it be tied?

Same with PA where Shapiro won by 15%

I don't see how they are so close.

BannonsLiver

(20,595 posts)
25. Biden was down in PA and MI before he got out.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:35 PM
Jul 2024

These results are an improvement over previous surveys.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,648 posts)
20. How is Minnesota a swing state?
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:08 PM
Jul 2024

They haven’t voted for a republican for president since Nixon over 50 years ago.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
22. Minnesota polls were tied up just a week ago
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:16 PM
Jul 2024

In 2016 Clinton only won the state by 46.4% to 44.9%, a 1.5% difference.

We should never underestimate how destructive and divisive... and how seductive... appeals to hate and resentment can be.

Republicans sure haven't

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
34. The problem in 2016 wasn't Trump overperforming but rather third party candidates taking away from Hillary.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:48 PM
Jul 2024

In the last three presidential elections, here's the percentage won by the GOP nominee in Minnesota:

2012: 45%
2016: 45%
2020: 45%

My guess is that Trump probably wins 45%. If Minnesota is close it'll be due to third party candidates.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
46. I've never believed in the "we was ROBBED by 3rd parties" excuse
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:18 AM
Jul 2024

Sorry, but if we did our jobs right, 3rd parties wouldn't win over the margins of victory from us.

No voter owes their vote to the Democratic Party. It's our jobs as loyal partisans to earn the votes of the general electorate. If another party outhustles us, well that's just how democracy works.

I'm a Democrat, but I'm a democrat ahead of that.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
54. You're arguing about something I never said.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:37 PM
Jul 2024

I never once said Hillary was robbed. Never said anything remotely about it. I did point out that Minnesota was closer than it's been in the most recent election cycles because third party candidates did much better there than we've seen - not that Trump somehow expanded typical GOP support. That's all.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
56. Then I apologize
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 08:56 AM
Jul 2024

Perhaps I misunderstood what you meant by "but rather third party candidates taking away from Hillary." From the context I thought you meant votes

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
57. I did.
Sun Jul 28, 2024, 05:49 PM
Jul 2024

They did take away from Hillary. That's a fact based on what we know from previous elections. That doesn't mean there wasn't reasons for those voters, who likely voted Obama in 2012 and Biden in 2020, not voting Hillary. But those third party candidates did take votes from Hillary.

Celerity

(54,410 posts)
44. One of the little discussed (here, due to the terms laid down) but crucial components
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:38 AM
Jul 2024

in terms of Biden dropping out was the expansion (via both public and internal polling) of seriously at-risk states to include NH, NM, MN, VA, and even CO and NE-2 towards the end. That is on top of being consistently down, for months, in the core swing states of AZ, GA, WI, MI, PA, NV, and (the only real remotely flippable chance from Red to Blue) NC.

Do not forget that Minnesota was pretty damn close in 2016. It was one of only two states I missed on the EC map. I had it going Red (following the rest of the Midwest collapse) and FL going Blue (will not make that mistake again, did not in 2020, and certainly do not see it going Blue this time either, unfortunately).

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
47. For me, the turning point was when NJ came down to 1% difference
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:23 AM
Jul 2024

If Jersey ever becomes a swing state, we're "screwn" (remember that?)

Things are getting set back to normal now. My blood pressure is back to sane levels. But our Titanic was cruising toward an iceberg for a couple of months there. It was an important history lesson for all of us.

Celerity

(54,410 posts)
48. Good catch! I forgot to list NJ. I think even ME was starting to slide (not to the same point as the others, but still)
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:30 AM
Jul 2024

NickB79

(20,357 posts)
55. We lost the Iron Range union vote to the GOP
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:39 PM
Jul 2024

Northern Minnesota was once reliably blue thanks to unions working the taconite mines. That's gone now. And rural Minnesota is far more red now, where 50 yr ago farmers like my grandfather were Democrats.

All the major cities are still blue, but our margin of victory has been eroding lately.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
24. Is there a link to polling internals? I don't trust FAUX News about anything ... nothing good or bad ... nothing
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 07:21 PM
Jul 2024

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
27. Not believing these. The same wall of poll hype Biden faced, & they'll try to confound public perception with these.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:09 PM
Jul 2024

Trekologer

(1,078 posts)
31. Even if you are suspicious about the percentages the trend is favorable
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:35 PM
Jul 2024

In less than a week Harris has managed to reverse Biden’s slide. If the trends continue…

ancianita

(43,307 posts)
43. Yes, there's a silver lining playbook factor in corporate media polls.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:15 AM
Jul 2024

"Trends" are a whole other kind of narrative used by corporate media, and that's for another discussion.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
35. These are significant improvements from Biden's numbers.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:48 PM
Jul 2024

After less than a week!

Stuart Rothenberg was surprised and encouraged by how quickly this has happened. He thought it would take another week or two for the polls to reflect improvement.

She's going to gain momentum and pass Trump soon. The narrative will change. She'll be the frontrunner, and then the Inevitable Loser Stink will settle on Trump, and he'll be done.

RainCaster

(13,721 posts)
32. I'm so tired of "swing states" getting all the love
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:38 PM
Jul 2024

Let's do away with the Electoral College and then the press can treat all of us voters the same.

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
50. Do you know how to "get rid of" the electoral college?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:39 AM
Jul 2024

Sorry, but that's just not a constructive suggestion.

In a "Best of All Possible Worlds" universe, then yes, a popular vote system would be more just. But we don't live there and the obstacles to getting there are effectively insurmountable. ☹️

BComplex

(9,914 posts)
52. I'm with you, RainCaster! I'd LOVE to see us amend the constitution to get rid of the Electoral College.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:57 AM
Jul 2024

But I'm afraid we're a long way from getting that done. It's just too big of an ask with the country so split up.

RainCaster

(13,721 posts)
53. Don't give up! Who ever thought we'd have a black POTUS?
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:24 PM
Jul 2024

I'm thinking positively about this. It will happen sooner than we think.

Johnny2X2X

(24,210 posts)
33. Much better!
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:44 PM
Jul 2024

Had dinner with a very conservative friend tonight. He is not counting for Trump. He usually has a pretty good reason things from a conservative perspective.

He thinks Harris is going to win in a landslide. And he really doesn’t like her.

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
38. More completely meaningless polls except to show what the previous ones did. A close race. Poll obsession is POINTLESS.
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:56 PM
Jul 2024

a kennedy

(35,995 posts)
39. and Wisconsin...what the hell is wrong with Wisconsin.....
Fri Jul 26, 2024, 08:58 PM
Jul 2024

Not for long…..K A M A L A Is going to kick arse in Wisconsin…..it’s only July 26th. Gonna kick arse in November.

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