Just saw Bernie Sanders on Ali Velshi, where Ali was asking him why he hasn't

[JohnSJ]

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endorsed VP Harris.

He wouldn’t answer the question just rattling off a bunch of issues from child care to minimum wage, all which I might add Harris is campaigning on, just saying that I have told my supporters to vote for Harris because we have to stop Trump.

Ali again asked then why won’t you endorse her, and he just continued to rattle of issues, which Harris supports, but refused to answer why he wouldn’t endorse her.

What is going on here?

[Skittles]

1. one trick pony

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[senseandsensibility]

2. Saw that

I thought maybe he was just trying to send a warning that he wouldn't endorse if she backs off those things? But why would he think she is even thinking of that? Usually he is pretty straightforward. He seemed to be beating around the bush.

[Skittles]

6. I guarantee you it has something to do with Israel

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[appmanga]

8. Sanders has been more critical of Israel than Harris. (nt)

[Skittles]

10. well then what is your theory

do tell

[Duncanpup]

209. Yes

[LisaL]

3. Well, he supported Biden, so maybe he is still upset about that?

[LizBeth]

19. Maybe he just has an issue with women leaders.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

36. Interesting....

[sheshe2]

55. ...

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democrats-identity-politics-231710#:~:text=Bernie%20Sanders%20said%20Monday%20that,No%2C%20that's%20not%20good%20enough.

[LizBeth]

57. Yep! I will never forget.

[sheshe2]

69. I will never forget and never forgive.

[LizBeth]

72. Shit... that is the rest of it. Lol. I forgot. Getting old. Bah hhahahaha, thanks.

[sheshe2]

99. You made the point perfectly.

[LizBeth]

100. But but but... ya, that.

[David__77]

76. I believe it's important to avoid making assumptions about others' motives

[LizBeth]

77. I believe when a person tells me who they are.

[David__77]

80. Who did this and what did they say?

[edisdead]

93. Really? Reallllllly?

We don’t make assumptions about people’s motives here?

[The Magistrate]

153. Drawing A Conclusion Is Not Making An Assumption

That Sanders retains all the baked-in misogyny of the campus radical scene in the sixties has been made abundantly clear throughout his career. Sanders has a great deal of trouble with women of accomplishment, particularly accomplishment in his own field. Women are to support, assist, even, shall we say, comfort the bolder radical spirits, but are not to be suffered in the leadership. The best you can say of him in this regard is that he is a creature of his time, and will remain so till the end....

[comradebillyboy]

155. You are being too kind.

[The Magistrate]

165. Now That's Not Something I'm Often Accused Of, Sir

Thank you....

[betsuni]

85. Correct. I knew it.

[Tweedy]

108. No. Before Senator Saunders decided to run

in 2016 he waited for Senator Warren to decline to run. He has no problem with supporting women. He just doesn’t always do it.

My guess is he is waiting for some assurance.

[LizBeth]

111. I disagree.

[Tweedy]

115. With which?

That the Senator wants assurances?

I would like some too although I am voting for Kamala Harris over Mr Trump.

I would like to know she will continue President Biden’s antitrust initiatives which are so long overdue we practically have oligarchs telling us they own us all. I would like to know she won’t back down on regulating cyber currency. I think she will do these things but I would like to know.

We need to do these things even if big money doesn’t like it so we don’t face the same trumpian threat again and again and again until the oligarchs succeed and turn us into a little, petty country run by a dictator who tosses people out windows.

Or that the Senator would support a woman?

I recall the problems between Senators Warren and Saunders in 2020. Yet, in 2016, Senator Saunders specifically waited for Senator Warren to decline to run before declaring because he supported her.

[cliffside]

109. If so then why is he campaigning for her in NH today and Maine tomorrow? nt

[LizBeth]

121. All he did in the clip you gave was reinforce the Repub take care of working class

and the Dems historically turn their backs on working class. If that is what you all feel campaigning for Harris is you are so far off the mark. What a train wreck. He absolutely sat their on tv talking about how they were absolutely right to vote Trump, cause Dems, am I right? Big money. wtf?

[cliffside]

129. I heard him say that the Repubs did a better job with their messaging to working class people although

we know they were lying. He wants the message to be stronger.

I'm done with focusing on trying to take down someone who supports the Dem party. He is out there campaigning for her, actions speak louder than words!

Many on here loved Sanders when he supported Biden to the end and were saying they would not help those who came out against Biden staying in the race.

Let's focus on the person who wants to be a dictator!

[displacedvermoter]

152. Thanks for Perspective

And, by the way, it's not Bernie who dropped the Comey memo a week before the 2016 election. It was that and Russian interference, along with 20 years of anti-Clinton propaganda led by the major media that cost Hillary the election. It was not Bernie's policy disagreements with her, with her husband, and with the concepts of "Triangulation" and Carvillian mainstreaming.

Bernie won the 2016 Vermont Democratic primary overwhelmingly. Hillary carried the state overwhelmingly in the General Election. I personally don't know a single Bernie voter here in Vermont who didn't vote for Hillary, though I am assured they did so in droves elsewhere and got Trump elected. I have never heard Hillary say that.

And Bernie also won the Democratic Primary in 2020, though by a much smaller margin, as many voters, myself included, saw the opportunity to vote for a forcefull woman, Elizabeth Warren. And many voted for Joe Biden. And, again, Vermont Dems voted overwhelmingly for the Party's unified candidate, Joe Biden.

Never met a "Berniebot" though I am told they run rampant and are to blame for many of our woes!

[BComplex]

177. "19. Maybe he just has an issue with women leaders." You know better than that, LizBeth.

Bernie is anything but a sexist/misogynist. It's the bombing/starving of innocent Palestinians that has Bernie all torn up. He's seen the suffering going on & on & on in Gaza, and he just doesn't have the stomach for it. 99% of humanity doesn't have the stomach for it. This is solely on Netanyahu.

[LizBeth]

181. Well if that is not condescending with a dose of parental patting on the head.

You know better LizBeth? Really? Ya, I do know and have watched a consistent pattern. I stand with what I say. As do many and have for years. Never forget. But others chose to forget if they ever allowed themselves to see.

Tell me how getting on national tv and saying Dems historically turn their back on working class, Dems are a party of big money, Harris is going to lose..... helps in campaigning for her?

[choie]

208. The same way Pelosi, Jeffries, Schiff et all

went behind the back of President Biden to get him to withdraw.

[LizBeth]

212. Not the conversation.

[Deuxcents]

4. The Obamas didn't endorse until just today. I'm sure there are reasons..

Maybe he felt like the media is just wanting to be first with the news kinda thing. I wish the media, including Ali, whom I like a lot, would just be patient and let things happen on their own accord.

[relayerbob]

21. The Obama endorsement was clearly staged and intended to be last

She was almost certainly first on their list id Joe dropped out.

As far as Bernie goes .... well. ....

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

103. 100%!!

[Intractable]

5. Twice on Ali's show, Bernie said he'd do everything he could to get her elected ...

but would not respond to the exact question of "endorsement" using precise language.

Mmmm, Bernie.

I am generally a supporter of his.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. What a diva

[SalviaBlue]

50. Yea, I wouldn't give Ari the get either.

Bernie is strategic. He supports Kamala. It’s all about the timing. He’s with us. Ari Melbers show is not the place to announce.

[GreenWave]

90. But too many are too quick to dismiss him based on???

It like someone speculated, next one let me expand upon that with even more speculation.

[Freethinker65]

7. Perhaps he is set to introduce her with an endorsement at a future event?

[OnDoutside]

147. That's what I think too. They filmed the Obama endorsement at her first campaign event but delayed it to yesterday, so

maybe it's the same with Bernie.
I said last weekend that Pelosi and Obama needed to endorse by the end of Monday, which Pelosi did (and killed any contest), and to be fair Obama did the same day but it looks like the delayed the announcement.

[LizBeth]

168. He is not special. He is not Obama. And you dont preempt it with Dems historically turn back

on working class and she is going to lose. You here any Dem talking like that?

[OnDoutside]

172. You want all Dems united, and he's been a significant figure on the left. There's no reason that I know of as to why he

wouldn't endorse her, or that she wouldn't want his endorsement. I'd be shocked if the endorsement doesn't come soon.

[OnDoutside]

234. Did you see he has endorsed her ? Clearly they're spacing

These endorsements out for effect.

[Srkdqltr]

9. Bless his heart. Who knows.

[Skittles]

13. who cares

that's what I'm thinking

[sheshe2]

11. No comment.

[LongtimeAZDem]

75. Takes ya back, doesn't it?

[sheshe2]

87. It sure does.

[questionseverything]

242. Takes me back to " are we going to throw away an election, over old bs?"

[LizBeth]

12. He is such a .... never mind. The only hides I get talking about an Independent on Du

that can trash a dem but can't be called out for it.
Never forget.

[Skittles]

23. I am thinking of the.....BS that helped to torpedo the last woman who ran for president

yup

[LizBeth]

24. Fuckin' right. Never forget.

[Skittles]

31. I have never fogotten

no INDEED

[kerry-is-my-prez]

38. I haven't either.

You would think he would have learned his lesson.

[LizBeth]

46. wrong place

[B.See]

42. As I recall, Bernie endorsed Hillary

[Skittles]

47. yeah, he eventually got around to it

he'll....eventually endorse VP Harris too

whatever

[LizBeth]

48. Mmmmmmmmmmm, kinda sorta a litttttttle bit. Pulling teeth

[B.See]

59. No further comment (tos)

I do however think too much is being made of who does and doesn't endorse and when.

Much bigger fish to fry, I think.

[LizBeth]

64. Nobody cares... He does not matter. Just means I can go around saying I was right, you were wrong

to people in my life. The only thing it matters.....

[B.See]

67. LOL.. if u say so

[LizBeth]

73. Yep....

[Celerity]

166. He seems to matter enough to get you and others all wound up over him yet again.

Funny thing that, I did not see many of the 'Bernie is a bad man and always will be' types offer up even the slightest approval of his consistently having Biden's back in terms of Sanders saying Biden was our nominee and should not drop out, whilst the clear majority of the elected Dems who called for Biden to drop out where from the wings (moderates, centrists, conservatives) of our Party that the perpetually vocal anti-Sanders crew lionise. Same thing applies to AOC having Biden's back.

Also, Sanders has said:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sen-bernie-sanders-says-hell-005015066.html

Sanders said Tuesday evening that he hopes Harris defeats Donald Trump in November, telling reporters: "I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that she becomes president" — but with a caveat that he needs to see more from her. Sanders stopped short of an endorsement, saying Harris needs to outline a specific plan to help working-class people before he will formally back her campaign.

"I look forward to strongly supporting her. But I think if she is going to win, she's going to have to focus a great deal of attention on the plight of the American working class, come up with some very specific suggestions as to how she's going to address the reality that 60% of our people are living paycheck to paycheck," he said, without outlining what specifics he hopes to see from her.

Harris has "to make it clear that she's on the side of the working class of this country. If she does that, she's going to win, and I think she can win big." Asked whether Harris' choice of a running mate is important to his endorsement, Sanders said, "Yes, it is."

Sanders had demanded similar commitments from Joe Biden before he supported him in the past. Sanders has tended to seize opportunities to elevate his key issues, like expanding Social Security and raising the minimum wage. In fact, Sanders had publicly backed Biden up until the moment he dropped out of the 2024 race, saying Biden still had a path to victory if he supported expanded Medicare benefits, a bigger child tax credit and tax hikes on the wealthy to preserve Social Security.

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[Emile]

167. +1 great post!

[LizBeth]

169. Because he supported an old white man he gets a pass with a woman saying she will lose

if she does not do what he says? Truly suggesting that? In this moment we really need him to stand in front of a camera and tell the nation Dems historically turn their back on working class and they are a party of big money and Harris is going to lose.

[Celerity]

178. I agree with Sanders when he says:

https://www.concordmonitor.com/Bernie-Sanders-returns-to-NH-On-the-Trail-by-Paul-Steinhauser-56182052

“I think if the vice president is to win this election and obviously I want her to win, I think she has to start talking about issue of relevance to the working class of this country because there are tens of millions of people who are really hurting,” Sanders said. “They want to know what the next president is going to do for them and I hope very much that Vice President Harris will make that clear.”

“The path towards victory is to talk about issues that are relevant,” Sanders reiterated.

Sanders said Harris should talk about lowering prescription drug costs, getting the wealthiest in this country to start paying their fair share, expanding child care and affordable housing. “I think we’ve got to be very strong on the issue of climate change and make it clear that we’re going to transform our energy system away from fossil fuel if we’re going to save this planet for future generations,” he added.

Obviously we need to attack the monsters that are Trump and MAGAts, as well as talking about things that address the needs and concerns of the working class as well.

It is not an either/or thing and Sanders has certainly not spared Trump in his attacks.


You stated Sanders said:

she will lose if she does not do what he says

Please show me a Sanders quote (not something said by a rando anonymous aide or source) using the language you employed with it (especially 'she will lose' part)

You chose the word 'lose', which ups the ante considerably.

[Nixie]

215. You got it right, and he's doubling down looks like.

What's weird is he accuses oligarchs of corruption by implying that they are demanding something for their contributions, but then he has the same expectations with his endorsement.

[betsuni]

225. Good point!

[Sympthsical]

179. Feels like maybe some people are playing catch up

Because you know Bernie being one of the strongest proponents of their position was an incredibly sour swallow.

[Celerity]

180. +1. You always employ your choice of words rather brilliantly, even on the main subject we we slightly disagree on (over

certain nuanced positions in re the I/P war, although even there, we are, big picture, in concord over most of it IMHO).

[Sympthsical]

239. Thank you, and the sentiment is mutual

In long threads, I always give a scan through to see if your name is in the mix. People like you are why I'm here.

[Celerity]

240. thank you for the kind words

[edisdead]

94. Will never forget that.

[choie]

230. You've got a real chip on your shoulder

[Skittles]

232. very much warranted

yup

[kerry-is-my-prez]

14. I'm sorry but I no longer have any patience w/him

Many say he screwed up the 2016 election by staying too long in the race and not supporting Hillary. Is he trying for a repeat??? I liked Bernie much better when he stayed out of presidential politics. I used to adore him, in fact but not anymore.

[musette_sf]

154. Same here

Used to listen to Breakfast With Bernie every week on Thom Hartmann. I liked him a lot back then.

[Tribetime]

15. I love Bernie but he's starting to wear out his welcome with me

[Srkdqltr]

16. I think he is aging out of politics and he knows it, and does not like it.

And like a lot of old men is not inclined to go along unless pushed.

[displacedvermoter]

52. He and the most Progressive members

of Congress stayed with President Biden till the bitter end because they knew how much progressive legislation was passed over the last three years, as good as they have gotten since LBJ. Bernie said already he, and by inference, most very liberal members, will do whatever it takes to get the VP elected, but I assume there are some talks going on about a Harris administration continuing Biden administration pursuits of progressive goals.

To his very core Bernie mistrusts the kind of big money donors that were so vocal about the President stepping down from the ticket. I assume he may want to see how Kamala responds to pressures from these funders, on issues he finds important.

Bernie has had a very large behind the scenes role -- along with Senator Professor Warren (per Charles Pierce) -- in steering Biden/Harris economic and infrastructure policy.

He is not aging out of politics, he is working to make sure that the gains of the Biden presidency continue and grow.

And he won't, I hate to tell you, "be pushed out of the way" any time soon. Vermonters will overwhelmingly reelect him in November, his reelection win will be among the first calls of Election Night, along with our state going for Kamala. And come 2025, I am sure President Harris will continue to seek out his cranky but wise advice well through her presidential career.

[LizBeth]

56. Yes, he is very comfortable with a white old man. We get that. Good for him.

Thanks Sanders for the support of Biden, wooosh.

[displacedvermoter]

68. You don't think he will support

the younger woman of color?

What does the wooosh mean? I am another old man.

[displacedvermoter]

83. Actually, AOC also supported Biden till the

end. Does that merit a wooosh?

[displacedvermoter]

145. And further actually

all of the "Squad", the Black Congressional Caucus, the Hispanic Caucus, most of the Democratic governors, and Senator Warren all stood by Joe. So did Kamala Harris.

A lot of old white men (Welch, Brown, Manchin, Schiff, Tester, Raskin, etc) bailed on him.

Woooooooooooooosh!!!!???

[Emile]

146. +1

[Srkdqltr]

70. Your guess is as good as mine. Biden didn't want to be pushed either no matter that he was better than all the rest.

He and Bernie are contemporaries . I do understand that Bernie will choose his time and will most likely give her his complete and wholehearted support.
Younger thinking has to be.
The whole thing with both wars going on are old thinking.
BTW I am 2 months younger than Bernie.

[newdayneeded]

171. So Bernie's solution is

not to endorse our most popular candidate since Obama?

[relayerbob]

18. Same as he ever was

Always more interested in Bernie than anything else

[displacedvermoter]

61. You from Vermont?

A Vermont veteran or rural person lacking a health care facility? A local community family flooded out by the Winooski River for the 3rd or 5th time this decade? Any of the millions of people who have benefited from pharmacy cost savings that Bernie helped instigate?

I don't agree with your assessment, most people here in Vermont wouldn't either.

[relayerbob]

65. Maybe he should stick to Vermont local issues

His snubbing of Joh Lewis in his last walk across the bridge and his snubbing of Jim Clyburn, tells me everything I need to know about the guy's ability to connect nationally.

[displacedvermoter]

79. Poverty, health care costs

Child nutrition, labor equity. Those kind of Vermont local issues?

Not really worth the keystrokes, he doesn't need me to defend him.

[relayerbob]

82. His actual record of results speaks for itself

[comradebillyboy]

156. His lack of any actual accomplishment

speaks for itself.

[EX500rider]

206. Well there's this:

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lol

[Voltaire2]

20. He's not going to do that at the behest

of some media news reader. It was a shit question that he of course ignored.

[LizBeth]

26. Asking the man if he supports Harris is a "shit" question? Fug!

[Voltaire2]

32. He will make an official announcement

same way the Obama’s did. The media hack knew this and knew he wasn’t going to answer her question.

[LizBeth]

37. Betcha....

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. He ain't THAT special. He needs to get over himself.

[edisdead]

96. The difference is of course...

The Obamas have done it.

[Deuxcents]

33. The question was from Ali if he'd endorse her.

It was reported that the Obamas waited as not to take Biden’s thunder endorsing her. Let’s not get ahead of what’s going on because we’re all just guessing here.

[LizBeth]

39. As I said above why Obama waited and not a single other Dem has.... for a reason.

[msongs]

22. am thinking adding dental, hearing, and vision to medicare would be a popular campaign promise nt

[betsuni]

132. She's been promoting it for years: "To include dental, vision, and hearing services with Medicare coverage."

[moondust]

25. Maybe waiting for labor unions

to endorse? UAW President Shawn Fain was on and said they (UAW) haven't endorsed her yet because they have an endorsement process that hasn't been fully completed yet.

[LizBeth]

28. What Democrat has "waited" to support Harris? Obama did it out of respect to the active

Dems to take the lead.

[murielm99]

29. Yep. Alert stalked.

[LizBeth]

30. yep

[sheshe2]

35. Yep.

[orange jar]

43. Yeah.

His diehards can be a little bit intense, to put it mildly

[kerry-is-my-prez]

51. He's not a Democrat so it isn't against the rules.

[LizBeth]

58. You wanna bit? Lol. White male privilege? I dunno.

[edisdead]

98. Hahahahahahahaha....

Oh wait. Sorry I thought that was the punchline.

I honestly don’t mean any offense at all. But that was funny!

[Voltaire2]

183. Read the rules again.

[Celerity]

237. False

Don't bash Democratic public figures

Why we have this rule: Our forum members support and admire a wide variety of Democratic politicians and public figures. Constructive criticism is always welcome, but our members don't expect to see Democrats viciously denigrated on this website. This rule also applies to Independents who align themselves with Democrats (eg: Bernie Sanders).

[Emile]

241. Totally FALSE

TOS rules are at the bottom of every page.

[obamanut2012]

62. .....

Yup.

[betsuni]

89. Yes.

[RandySF]

34. I keep reminding people

Bernie is not a Democrat.

[LizBeth]

40. No, he is not.

[getagrip_already]

41. Well, he is 82, so im sure he isnt angling for vp.....

So it must be some issue he is pressing. Or he just wants a little more media time.

Who knows or cares at this point. He isnt opposing or standing in the way.

Jut go right by him.

[TheKentuckian]

44. He isn't ready yet. Probably because he wants a plank or two

Most likely nothing to see here.

[Abolishinist]

49. Our 50 year-old African Grey Parrot

supported him when he was running for President. Even had a little bumper sticker on her cage.

To be clear, she thought his name was Birdie Sanders, so there's that.

[Cha]

95. lol

🕯️🕊️💙🌊🇺🇸🌈

[viva la]

53. I wonder if they are just scheduling

Endorsements. That would be pretty smart to get the snowball effect.

[orange jar]

54. He's so unnecessarily tepid, and for what?

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If he didn't want to be asked a question like that, then why did he even agree to go on Ali's show lol. He must've known it'd be asked at some point

[Blue Owl]

60. Odd, considering he was all for Biden -- how about the other half of the ticket?

[LizBeth]

66. Right??? Oh wait...

[Indykatie]

63. Bernie Gonna Bernie. He Can't Help It.

[LostOne4Ever]

71. He will

Probably waiting for a slow news day to get a positive Harris story going out or maybe for the convention.


He readily endorsed Biden earlier and was one of Biden’s most steadfast and stalwart supporters after the debate. He has more than earned our patience!!!

[Nixie]

74. I'm not surprised it wasn't posted here, but a couple days ago he

was doing his usual antics of insinuating she wasn't doing enough for his pet slogans. She was getting her campaign going, yet that wasn't good enough so he was withholding his endorsement.

I looked here to see if someone would post his negativity, but thankfully I didn't see it. He's still at it, looks like. Very shameful at this point.

[betsuni]

92. I was expecting it. Here it comes again. Democrats/Harris DO NOT ignore the working class,

[LizBeth]

97. ...

[MistakenLamb]

140. Its obvious what Senator Sanders means by "working class"

Sanders keeps wanting to chase WWC voters who have long left the party due to racial resentment back when LBJ was President. (And won't return especially with Trump being a white no college turnout machine) Democrats recognize that the working class is beyond that demo and has supports the whole working class

[betsuni]

142. Yes, he thought white people began leaving the party because of economic anxiety but that happened

during the '60s when economic inequality was at its lowest, taxes for the wealthy and corporations were high, and high-paying union manufacturing jobs plentiful. Wasn't until the '70s that the economy changed from manufacturing to service industry and that had nothing to do with '90s trade deals to blame Bill Clinton for.

[oasis]

78. I'd cut Bernie some slack. The impact of his

endorsement would be far less than earthshaking.

[LizBeth]

81. I do not think anyone thinks he or his endorsement matter.

[oasis]

86. I gotta believe his relevance has shrunk

a bit. Furthermore, I doubt Bernie has the political power to “big foot” any large scale plans.

[LizBeth]

88. He literally does not matter. Zero affect on whether he endorses Harris or not.

Simply confirms and reenforces what many of us believe.

[MistakenLamb]

141. It has

I seens Bernie 16 and 20 voters shaking their damn heads at that man for his NH comments recently

[AkFemDem]

84. Honestly I forgot he existed

Until I read this 🤷🏻‍♀️

[FlyingPiggy]

91. I find that interesting....but, somehow, not that surprising.

[yorkster]

101. To be clear, this was Ari Melber not

Ali Velshi, right?

[JohnSJ]

102. Ali Velshi not Ari melber

[yorkster]

104. I missed this. Ali Velshi is usually

an excellent journalist. I wish I'd seen it.
Maybe he just thought it was a logical
question...oh well.

[yorkster]

133. Was Velshi sitting in for someone?

[Gore1FL]

105. He will.

It just seems like this is stirring unnecessary controversy for unnecessary controversy sake.

[sheshe2]

112. This is a Critical time.

This is no time to be coy. Trump stated tonight that if they elect him they will never have to vote again! There will be no more elections.

This isn't a game. "Stirring Unnecessary controversy"? Our Democracy is at stake here! The election is just three months away! How long will he wait? I don't get why people don't understand this!

[LizBeth]

117. Nothing like going on TV and reinforcing for everyone Trump and Rep take care of working class

While Dems historically turn their back on them, oh wait, except Joe. But all those other Dems, they turn their back.... I mean, that is exactly what the nation fearful of cost increases need to hear right here and now, Dems historically turn their back on you.

This is campaigning for Harris? Blows my mind. Almost as much as the right believing the Republicans and Trump are looking out for the working class.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

122. Gotta keep the bingo hall stirred up.

[orange jar]

130. Oh, please

I can assure you that I am nowhere near being of "bingo hall" age (In fact, I'd wager to guess that I'm almost definitely younger than you) and even I can recognize a pattern of behavior that lines up with this very predictable response from Bernie. Plenty of us are not fooled by his tip-toeing.

[Rob H.]

137. Yep. nt

[betsuni]

138. "Bernie Sanders ... speaks during a campaign stop at the Circle 9 Ranch Campground Bingo Hall ... ."

Bernie doesn't look down on bingo halls!

[Nixie]

216. Yes, Harris is just getting started less than a week already and

Bernie comes in with CONCERN that she'll lose if she doesn't do what he says.

Two time loser says what ?! 😀

Not helpful at this time.

HARRIS 2024

[demmiblue]

202. Drama llamas gotta drama.

Of course he will.

Why are certain people always trying to divide us...

[Nixie]

214. Is this irony?

"Certain people" who think Democrats need to be taught a lesson get called out.

[cliffside]

106. He is currently out campaigning for Harris, video clip was posted in Cable News clips ...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/132125979

[LizBeth]

114. Democrats have turned their back on working class people. Ya....

Golly gee, we just have to start paying attention to working class.

Not like most all of the Dems dont want to do all that but hey... house and senate and Biden didn't get it either cause, house and senate.

Oh geez, I cannot stomach this. This is him campaigning for Harris?

"I hope I do get assurance", seriously? And this is what you put up to defend him here? Dems turning back?

[cliffside]

124. Did you miss the part in the clip where he talked about getting big money out of politics, Citizens United etc

or possibly you really believe as you stated above.

"Maybe he just has an issue with women leaders."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19245499

Sanders has campaigned for many women all over the country.

I'm more concerned about what Trump said tonight about not having to vote after this election instead of a Formal endorsement by Sanders, he is out doing the work for Harris and against Trump.


https://www.c-span.org/video/?537386-1/president-trump-speaks-turning-point-believers-summit

"... If you want to save America, get your friends, get your family, get everyone, you know, and vote, vote early vote, absentee, vote on election day. I don't care how but you have to get out and vote. And again, Christians get out and vote just this time, you won't have to do it anymore. Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed, it'll be fine. You won't have to vote anymore. My beautiful Christians. I love you Christians. I'm not Christian. I love you. Get out. You've got to get out and vote in four years. You don't have to vote again. We'll have it fixed so good. You're not going to have to vote. In conclusion, America has always been a nation one built and sustained by Americans of faith. ..."

[LizBeth]

126. Yes I heard him say big money in Dem party.... then mention citizen. So really what are they pulling out

That Republicans are to blame for Citizens United or that Dems has big money are turn back on working class, and who the fug knows what Citizen Untied is unless you are like us political people? Did you hear him attack the Republicans about their big money? No.... Only Dems.

How can you say this was in anyway helpful for Harris, in any manner?

[cliffside]

127. Listen Again, he stated big money in Both parties, I'm not wasting my time taking down someone who votes

with Dems. I'll focus on defeating the other party.

[LizBeth]

128. Well, it is clear you cannot defend that interview. The only upside is this si typical Sanders and it

will reinforce the right their position that Dems do nothing for working class and most Dems will just ignore the man. I found it atrocious. Undefendable. I just cannot believe the man went on tv at a time like this and said that shit. Then putting it in a thread to defend him campaigning for Harris. Just Deju vu

[cliffside]

131. I'm done, believe what you want. nt

[Voltaire2]

184. Right in the clip he noted that he came from

a Harris rally in Manchester NH.

This is all just more outrage bullshit. People need to stop.

[LizBeth]

187. In that rally he stated Harris will lose and in this interview he stated

historically Dems turn their back on working class, dems are big money. So tell me, how do you define campaigning for a person?

Also, I have not been watching Harris interviews and speeches. Are you and Sanders telling me you have listened and NOT ONCE I mean, not once has she talked about the economic struggles of the working/middle class? Not once? We are told we are making a big deal out of nothing, but not a single person defending Sanders is telling me that really..... telling the nation the Dems don't give a flying fuck about working class people is a really good campaign strategy.

[cliffside]

210. Exactly and I agree the outrage is misplaced, just posted this link in another thread from NH ...

https://www.wmur.com/article/sen-bernie-sanders-confirms-he-has-now-spoken-to-vp-harris/61713874#

"... "I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that - Donald Trump - the most dangerous president in American history - is not elected," Sanders said in a one-on-one interview with WMUR. "I'm gonna do everything I can to make sure that Kamala Harris is elected. But in my view, it's gonna be a tough race."

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19249077

I'm more concerned with what Trump said last night about voting!


Trump tells Christian group ‘you won’t have to vote anymore’ if he wins 2nd term

[betsuni]

107. Can anyone explain to me how Democrats and Harris ignore the working class?

How are Harris's policies different from Biden's? Sanders mentions expanding Medicare, minimum wage, student debt, housing, child care. Harris doesn't support Democratic policies? She doesn't stand up to special interests? Doesn't listen to the working class or progressives, only thinks about money? It's all about class background? I don't get it. Please explain?

"It pains me as someone who comes from a working class family, the majority of working class people support the Republicans ... and I think it has a lot to do with the fact that the Democratic Party has over the decades turned their back on working people. ... But what I hope we can do in this campaign is let the working class of this country, white and black and Latino, understand that we understand the pain they are experiencing. ... We have got to start paying attention to the needs of the working class of this country, stand up to powerful special interests who have enormous power not only in the Republican Party but I have to say in the Democratic Party as well."

"Look, we know there's a lot of money in the Democratic Party. We wanna make sure that the Vice President is listening to the working class of this country, to progressives, as well as bring forth very specific ideas. These are not radical ideas (repeats policies he mentions before)."

"It pains me personally, again, coming from a working class background that so many workers, especially white workers are turning their backs on the Democratic Party."

[LizBeth]

110. Wow... just wow. I was going to listen to him campaigning for Harris in a link above.

Is this his campaigning? I mean just transport me back. Seriously? He said this out loud and ANYONE has to ponder if this is simply unnecessary controversy being stirred. Geeez. Now, cause I like to be fair, will go watch him campaign for Harris. Hope this is not it cause this is not campaigning for her but doing the same ole same ole he does.

[JohnSJ]

113. It was very strange, and frankly incoherent

[orange jar]

116. JFC.

We wanna make sure that the Vice President is listening to the working class of this country, to progressives, as well as bring forth very specific ideas

Perhaps Bernie should take a step back and pay closer attention. She has been doing nothing but talk about these issues for the past week.

If Bernie is so keen on listening to the working class and labor unions, then surely he's aware that several of them have come out in support of Harris, right? Surely? He's all about making sure their voices are heard, but is he even hearing them?

[betsuni]

119. Just read this in Harris's book:

"'Showing the math' is an approach that I've embraced throughout my career. ... When we force ourselves to lay out our assumptions, we often find that there are certain parts of our arguments that assume things they shouldn't. So we go back and and revisit them, we revise them, we dive deeper so that when we are ready to put forth a proposal, we can be confident in its soundness."

Wrong assumptions lead to wrong opinions.

[Tumbulu]

120. My theory is that since the Republican playbook is

to paint Harris as this “ San Francisco super liberal”, that it is to the advantage of the ticket for Bernie to claim that she is not liberal enough for him.

I think it is part of the plan to help the ticket in the more moderate states.

[LizBeth]

123. He didn't talk about her not being liberal enough. He talked about Dems historically turning back

on working class, reinforcing Trump. I mean the more I process this the more wtf? Dems big money and historically turn back. No wonder working class goes to Trump.

[Kaleva]

125. Nothing important is going on there

Unless you think Sanders endorsement is of great importance.

[totodeinhere]

134. He is holding out for some policy concessions.

But he will eventually endorse. It's just a matter of time.

[LizBeth]

136. He is on tv telling the nation Dems have historically turned back on working class

And I just saw another clip of him stating Harris is going to lose. This is "campaigning" for Harris?

[Cha]

135. ".@BernieSanders at West Lebanon N.H. town hall: "She (Harris) is not going to win this election and she is going "

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

139. Never seen Harris be against Democratic policies and the working class.

Who is this new Kamala Harris caricature we're supposed to be suspicious (untrustworthy) of?

White Trump supporters aren't voting for Republicans because of Democrats, Trump supporters are wealthier than Democratic voters, the working class party. The rural white working class votes Republican because of culture war lies,.We've been through this a million times. It's fact. No factual basis in the myth that Democrats have the same economic policies as Republicans and are corrupted by campaign contributions.

Remember seeing Harris described as centrist/moderate when she ran for president and found her in the top ten most progressive Democrats in the senate. Same old smear.

[Cha]

205. TY for your post! It's such a Negative way for Sanders to

to go about talking About our Democratic Presidential Candidate. ".. she's not going to win.. "... Why Go Negative?

How about .. VP Harris will Definitively Win if she does what I say.." And besides.. hasn't he noticed that ...

Pres Biden is the Most Pro Union Working Class President Ever and VP Harris has been right along beside him every step of the way.

[betsuni]

226. AFL-CIO deputy director: "She has close ties to many unions." Evidently Sanders is unaware that Harris

has been right along side Biden in union support. It's not a unique Biden thing. Harris is not untrustworthy, does not ignore the working class.

[Cha]

229. Mahalo for the AFL-CIO Statement.. And YET he chose to

to say that.. at the Town Hall in NH. Why Sanders, WHY?

[SocialDemocrat61]

143. Simple, he wants something from her

Sanders is holding his endorsement for a quid pro quo from Harris. He’s being a political.

[betsuni]

144. But what does he want from her? She has supported every Biden policy.

[SocialDemocrat61]

170. Better seats to the inauguration?

[elocs]

149. Sanders is good at damning with faint praise

and demanding that candidates who are not progressives like himself line up with his progressive ideas. Yes, he caucuses with the Democrats, but he is not a Democrat.

[samnsara]

151. a wee bit of a control issue....

[Nanjeanne]

157. Bernie is trying to get input into the issues like he did with Biden's push for what he would do in his

first 100 days. Biden’s list was very progressive and it’s shy Bernie stayed firm in his support of Biden. He wants some assurances from Harris’s team as well. Bernie had great access to Biden and he’d like that access to continue with Harris. He is trying to get that kind of policy plan for working people.

Of course he will support her. This is a political maneuver and no big deal in terms of support. He wants her to win on a working people’s platform.

[redgreenandblue]

158. I would like to win the election.

Peddling phony outrage about Bernie Sanders is unlikely to help towards that goal.

[comradebillyboy]

160. Bernie Sanders is unlikely to help towards that goal.

[redgreenandblue]

161. Then what is the point of this thread?

Other than to stir up division.

[comradebillyboy]

162. Who is the person withholding his endorsement?

[Emile]

163. How many other senators haven't endorsed her yet? Are you criticizing them too?

Who stabbed Biden in the back over the past few weeks? It wasn't the progressives. Bernie had Joe's back right to the end.

[Celerity]

238. Not Sanders. He endorsed Harris yesterday. I think Tester has not endorsed, but I highly doubt many on this thread care

about that to any remotely similar degree compared to Sanders.

Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders formally endorses Vice President Kamala Harris for president at Portland rally

https://www.wmtw.com/article/bernie-sanders-formally-endorses-kamala-harris-for-president-at-portland-rally/61717060

[Voltaire2]

185. Weird. Also he's the unofficial spokesperson

For the center left progressives in the party, for something like 30% of our regular voters.

But I guess we don’t deserve a voice or something.

[comradebillyboy]

193. I'm not required to love him or hold him in

high regard. But you are free to support whomever you like, just as I am.

[Voltaire2]

213. Sure but this is not the time for amplifying

dubious accusations to apparently try to ignite factional disputes. Unity is transitive.

[LizBeth]

219. Exactly. That is exactly the argument. See, not so hard.

This simply is not the time to come out with accusations of Dems turning their back on working class so he can have his face on whatever Harris is going to do anyway.

[LizBeth]

173. Well golly red, I would too and saying on national tv Dems historically turn their

back on working class, they are a party of big money and Harris will lose is not really how I see we attain that goal. We were minding our business well leaving Sanders alone. Sanders got on tv and let the nation know Harris will lose. So wtf aren't you addressing the person doing the harm on a national stage?

[happy feet]

164. IMHO

he was misogynist against Hilary as well. My perception.

[mcar]

174. Odd, isn't it? His full throated support of Biden

and his refusal to endorse Harris - even though they represent, at present, the same policies.

One might suspect there's another reason behind the senator's hesitance to endorse. What could it possibly be?

[LizBeth]

175. hmmmmm. Yep

[betsuni]

217. I can't figure out why anyone would think Harris doesn't support the same policies.

Basic usual run-of-the-mill not-secret Democratic policies that obviously help the middle and working classes (nobody ever said these were "radical" except Republicans):

lower prescription drug costs
higher minimum wage
higher taxes for the wealthy and corporations
expansion of child care
affordable housing
fighting climate change

Why was Biden trustworthy but Harris isn't?

[mcar]

228. Yes, what could it possibly be?

[Sympthsical]

176. It's been less than a week. Deep breaths.

After a full month of everyone being catastrophically wrong about political things, maybe a little grace, a breather, and a chilling session wouldn't be entirely out of order.

Usually when I'm wrong about something, I take a step back. I don't jump in and immediately assert I know the best course of action as if my thoughts on how something should be done didn't just go wildly over a cliff five minutes earlier.

Less than a week. We need to take a moment to sew some new garments before we can resume rending them.

[LizBeth]

182. Good advice for Sanders as he is on national tv campaigning for Harris. He needs

to step back and reflect the damage he can cause. That is exactly what we are asking for.

[Sympthsical]

190. I went through a bad break up in 2016

It was pretty devastating. Couldn't eat, couldn't sleep, probably drank too much. It was a very upsetting year afterwards.

Then I picked things up, changed jobs, started dating again. Found a great guy who's now my partner. We got a house together about five years ago. A lovely life. We watched E.T. over pizza last night. It's a very contented existence.

And I don't really think about the ex anymore. We're still friends on Facebook, so I see what he gets up to now and then. It doesn't affect me. No feelings of ill will. No past hurt. No jealousy. No real feeling at all outside of, "Hope he finds his happiness."

Because going into a tailspin eight years later as if we just broke up would be weird. And unhealthy. And toxic. And no good for anyone. Not for me, and not for the people who have to deal with me. It would be corrosive to happiness and health.

Just. You know. Throwing that one out there.

[LizBeth]

194. Ya... see, me calling out campaigning by painting Harris turning back on working

class equivalent to an emotionally connected trauma actually affecting my life. Are you the one I suggested was being condescending? Can't remember but get the feel, I will check. Here is the thing when handing out this warm helpful heartfelt concerned advice.... have a minimal amount of information instead of creating a huge fake scenario.

[Nixie]

221. "huge fake scenario" Exactly.

At least they have finally exposed the love of the Independent that was intentionally shrouded for whatever reason.

[Sympthsical]

222. I think

Sometimes it's easier for someone from the outside to point out when toxic preoccupation is out of hand.

And the Sanders stuff going back years? Is a very weird look from the outside. And that people feedback looping it to one another - for years - is perhaps not great.

But hey. For those who like that sort of thing, that is the sort of thing they like.

[LizBeth]

224. Weird right? And even took it another post forward for more psychoanalysis.

Whatever and yet.... my simple question is why would a Democrat not be bothered with a Independent getting on tv in this world today, the challenges ahead and state Dems historically turn their back on the working class. Go Trump.... the rw will taking care of the working class. I mean Sanders did not even make clear that the right doesn't. Just bad Dems, Harris, woman, do what I say or you will lose. Wtf?

I do not get the people that will ignore that to praise their person.

But do I hear anything about that? No.

[questionseverything]

243. None of what you said is true....

[Bucky]

186. He's fighting for his issues--that's good politics

When you look at what he's asking for, it's actually him fighting for OUR issues. He's fighting for some more policy specificity for Harris. That ain't bad. The Democrats are a big Madisonian coalition. He's doing his job and I love him for it.

[LizBeth]

188. I havent been listening to Harris speeches as I am sure Sanders and you all have. So....

Has Harris not once talked about the economics of the working/middle class. Has she turned her back and not said ONE word about what needs to be done? I mean, if Sanders is on national tv telling the nation Dems historically turn their backs on working class and this is what Harris needs to do or she will lose, I assume she is turning her back on the working class and having no conversations related to their economic woes. Good thing we have Sanders to tell her what needs to be done or like he said in NH, she will lose because she has just not said a single word about working class.

That is how he painted our Democratic candidate with his interview. Being a person that is well attuned with how much and how often our Dems strive to help the working/middle class, ya we get to be peeved when a man gets on tv and tells us we give that demographics the finger.... oh, except Joe.

[Bucky]

191. Great question. So far she's playing it safe & non specific

But not long on progressive policy initiatives, beyond legislation Roe v. Wade standards and undoing Citizens United through laws too.

She's not yet saying much about social security beyond "protect it." Bernie wants a commitment to getting there by raising the income cap past the current $130,000. (The obvious solution is to bump it up to $300k, but even Bernie won't be that specific.) He's also wanting more Medicare & Medicaid expansion, worker & union protections, etc

So basically he wants her talking more specific about policy goals so that in January she'll have a mandate on his/our issues.

[LizBeth]

195. So Citizen United, check. At last having a general conversation, check.

Four days in demanding a specific on national tv reinforcing belief Dems turn back on working class was the way to go and not give her what? A fuckin MINUTE! Now I will have to go listen to speeches to see just how much was left out, but thank you for your reply. I am done cause this is clearly a huge misstep but those that support Sanders will excuse without exception. It has similarities to others and seems to just be a repeat. MAYBE if his supports called him out instead of making excuses then maybe we can actually get a man that contributes and helps the campaign. This is not it.

[Bucky]

196. He's already pledged to work fervently for her election & Trump's defeat

He's very direct about who's side he's on.

He's just angling for some policy commitments. That's normal politics. He isn't hurting Kamala's chances at all.

It's literally nothing to worry about.

[LizBeth]

197. See this is the bone I have. The pledge does not work when you make that

statement for all the world to applaud and then spend the whole time calling Harris out and telling her she needs to do what he says, or she will lose. I od not think he said one positive thing about Harris. That is not being her champion.

That is my very argument.

[Bucky]

201. Fair enough. It'll all be done with and forgotten by the convention

A pluralistic democracy is about bargaining. This isn't even "making sausage" so much as dickering over the ingredients going into the salad.

Personally I like seeing it happen out in public instead of behind closed doors. But it does require being comfortable with compromise over small disagreements. YMMV

[global1]

189. Maybe He Saving His Endorsement For The August Dem Convention.....

It might have more impact there.

[Bucky]

192. It matters to her more the sooner it comes.

This is them deal-dickering. He'll want a prime slot at the convention. I see their interests converging pretty cleanly here, just so long as we don't alienate the big money bundlers with talk of publically funded campaigns.

But it's all inside baseball. Us minions don't matter in the details they hammer out.

[Nanjeanne]

198. Sanders comment 4 days ago says it all. "I look forward to strongly supporting her"

"I look forward to strongly supporting her. But I think if she is going to win, she's going to have to focus a great deal of attention on the plight of the American working class, come up with some very specific suggestions as to how she's going to address the reality that 60% of our people are living paycheck to paycheck," he said, without outlining what specifics he hopes to see from her.

Harris has "to make it clear that she's on the side of the working class of this country. If she does that, she's going to win, and I think she can win big."

Asked whether Harris' choice of a running mate is important to his endorsement, Sanders said, "Yes, it is."

I think Bernie is just doing some politicking to have some influence on policy. My guess is he will formally endorse after VP is picked. I am 100% sure he will support her strongly and campaign vigorously.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/sen-bernie-sanders-says-work-hard-elect-harris-isnt-endorsing-just-yet-rcna163348]

[LizBeth]

199. In the interview Sanders did not say one positive thing about Harris. He did say

Dems are big money, and they turn their back on working class, then went into what he wants. How is that campaigning for Harris? I mean, I keep asking and I am truly not understanding how that gets defined as campaigning for Harris.

[Nanjeanne]

200. I don't have the answers you are looking for. But this is from 58 minutes ago

Link to tweet

?s=61&t=_R0eaN5XDTx3hnl2jyXBTA]

So maybe it’s best to just relax and let this play out. I am quite sure he didnt say anything negative about Harris even if you don’t think he didn’t say anything positive. Perhaps he had his talking points about supporting the working class as his main point.

[Bucky]

203. That man is awesome

I appreciate his efforts to keep the Democrats democratic. I agreed with the big donor class and disagreed with Bernie to switch candidates and get Biden to pass the baton. But I still believe he has our best interests at heart. We need him inside the tent pissing out, as LBJ put it. Except he's only ever pissed into the GOP's tent, far as I know. We need unity, not conformity.

[OneBlueDotS-Carolina]

204. Bernie tweet this AM

Bernie Sanders
@BernieSanders
I want to thank the 800 people in Portland, Maine who joined me this morning at a high-energy rally.

We must defeat Trump, elect VP @KamalaHarris
, and create a government that works for all, not just the 1%.

Link to tweet

[tritsofme]

207. The last thing we need is for him to try and extort Harris into supporting his crappy unpopular agenda.

Get on board, or leave, Bernie.

[Nanjeanne]

211. Yeah just because majority of Americans support tuition free public college and Medicare for

All, raising minimum wage, taxing the wealthy, paid sick leave and supporting unions - she should run from those crappy unpopular positions.

[Quixote1818]

218. His going to endorse her, the way I took it in another interview was that he just wanted to meet with her

and go over the things he thinks are important to him. He will endorse her after that meeting even if they can't completely come to terms on some things. Relax.

[LizBeth]

220. Why excuse telling the nation the Democratic Party historically turns their back

on working class? In what world is that ok, other then the right?

[Nixie]

227. That doesn't sound like a winning message for Democrats by spreading negative messaging

like that. Who thinks that helps? I guess there was a reason that Trump copied that.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

231. The KHive Has Some Unlikely New Members: Bernie Stans

I was pleased to see that some Sanders supporters are supporting Kamala Harris and are NOT waiting on Sanders

Link to tweet

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/07/24/kamala-harris-bernie-bros-00170773

Vice President Kamala Harris has all but clinched her party’s nomination following endorsements from top Democrats, but she’s also winning over an unlikely group of supporters that used to rail against her: Bernie Bros.

Very online progressives have rallied to Harris’ side with an arsenal of coconut memes and Charli XCX references. It’s a curious phenomenon for anyone who remembers the jockeying among the crowded Democratic primary field in 2020. The fans of Kamala Harris — the notorious KHive, which fiercely attacked anyone who criticized the then-California senator — often clashed with Bernie supporters, who they charged with racism, sexism and pie-in-the-sky progressive idealism. In kind, team Bernie taunted Harris with the nickname “Cop-ala,” a jab at the former California attorney general’s tenure as a prosecutor......

“Progressives are being pragmatic here. We want to win,” Ossé said. “Joe Biden and Kamala Harris are not progressives on paper, by definition, but we understand that a Trump presidency is completely counterintuitive and destructive for the progressive movement. We want to win, and we know that Kamala Harris has a better chance of beating Donald Trump and the GOP than President Joe Biden does.”

Other progressives say that, despite their ideological differences with Harris, her identity as a younger, energetic woman of color adds excitement to the election. “I do think [the pragmatism] works in conjunction with her being a younger, more dynamic candidate, in that it offers some hope and actually something to vote for instead of just something to vote against Trump,” said Alejandra Caraballo, a leftist civil rights lawyer with a large online following.

The list of progressives posting for Harris is long, but a few notable names have been consistent. “Die-hard Sanders fan” Matthew Sitman, also a cohost of the popular leftist podcast “Know Your Enemy,” added a coconut and palm tree emoji next to his name on X weeks ago. After Biden’s disastrous debate performance, Sitman made scores of posts comparing Harris to Biden, arguing that her liveliness alone would make her a far better candidate. Since Biden’s withdrawal from the presidential race, he’s moved on to trolling conservative users online who are unhappy with Harris being Biden’s likely replacement.

[betsuni]

233. Good! Thinking for oneself is very good.

[redgreenandblue]

235. He has endorsed.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219251043#post7

This thread hasn't aged well.

[betsuni]

236. He was pulled to the Left. Harris does not ignore the working class, is pro-union, supports all

Biden's policies, usual ordinary Democratic Party policies. Thanks, Biden, for the call.