About that white women answer the call meeting...

[suegeo]

Link to tweet

All observations made in ijbailey's thread resonated with me, but especially the second.

The call was the opposite of white people getting together for "distinct racial interests." It was built on data from the past few election cycles during which white women were a big source of votes for Donald Trump, and about how to change that reality this time around.

and the 6th

Based on some polling data, white women have been voting for Trump at about a 53 percent clip in some of these elections. If they can get that number down to 50 percent, or 48 percent, it would go a long way in defeating Trump, given the size of that group.

and part of the 8th

But this is not a Klan rally. This is a group of white women coming together to defeat the Klan rally. This also has historical precedent, though we don't discuss that enough.

I look forward to seeing how the white men can get their voting percentages down. If you can get that number down to 48 percent, or 38 percent, it would go a long way in defeating Trump, given the size of that group.

See this: (Trigger alert White Dudes was the term used by the event organizer. Not me.)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219242491

I make this post with great sensitivity to men. As a woman, I am super sensitive to the feelings of the men around me. My survival depends on this awareness.

“Men are afraid that women will laugh at them. Women are afraid that men will kill them.”
― Margaret Atwood

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Not sure why people want to misread this so badly

[Irish_Dem]

4. Seems obvious why.

Stir the pot and cause division.

[paleotn]

8. Irony is, these people are potentially screwing themselves by stirring it.

[Irish_Dem]

10. For some it is just a job.

[paleotn]

14. That is true. But for some, they're actually sincere.

On our side, but really dumb in not seeing the forest for the trees. But hey! They're sincere!

[Irish_Dem]

18. Some people cannot see the big picture.

And sacrifice an entire mission to go off on tangents.

[suegeo]

6. Unresolved male childhood trauma leads to the misread? Patriarchy messes up the lives of men too.

Maybe Matthew Cantor's life experiences could help explain the misread?

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2021/sep/24/boys-patriarchy-toxic-masculinity

[suegeo]

24. Or maybe white women doing better at the voting booth is a threat...

White women doing better is a threat to the white patriarchy and their tight grip on power .

If ww can shift even small percentages of our larger, in number, voting block, away from Putin's Puppet and toward Vice President Harris, Harris wins.

First hand experience: Be ready for backlash against your standing up and standing out.

Well, I won't back down
No, I won't back down
You can stand me up at the gates of hell
But I won't back down
Tom Petty

[MaryMagdaline]

2. This was also a call to white women, of which I am one, to

quit making Black Women do all of the work. White women are becoming more and more aware that we benefitted from the labor of Black Women and rode their coattails to having full civil rights.

[Irish_Dem]

5. Yes indeed.

Women’s rights rode on the coattails of civil rights.

I remember it clearly.

Yes we cannot let black women do all the work in this election.

[Sogo]

12. I believe the Suffragette movement for Women's Voting Rights

came well before the Civil Rights Movement. Not that I would disparage either, but I disagree with your "coattails" comment.

[Irish_Dem]

17. You are incorrect.

We are not talking about the suffragette movement.
We are not talking about that era or just getting the vote.

This is called a straw man argument, when the topic is changed to something unrelated to the argument. It is a logical fallacy.

The point is that white men and women gathered to fight for minority civil rights in the 60s and 70s. The men ordered the women around and made them get coffee. Women didn’t like this one bit and started the women’s rights movement.

It was about far more than getting the vote which women already had.

I remember it clearly. It is fact.

[MaryMagdaline]

3. And yes - growing white woman vote another 2 or 3 per cent in our favor would put this election away

[paleotn]

9. Yep. I think the shift will be bigger. Much bigger.

[calguy]

20. I think the abortion issue alone will bring more women of every race over to our side

[MaryMagdaline]

22. Yes!! And even more so - IVF

What did these republicans think was smart about going after IVF??? Half my friends would never have had children without IVF. They demand women to have kids and then shut the door to having kids??!
IVF is a huge issue in suburbia!!

[paleotn]

7. Some people have just gotta overthink things...

leading them down some really stupid rabbit holes, given the situation we face. Tell ya what, they can debate the propriety of (insert melanin levels) (insert gender} for Harris during the potential theocratic dictatorship, if that will even be possible without arrest. Until then....shut the fuck up! Humans. Ugh.

[MaryMagdaline]

11. This!!

[CrispyQ]

13. I read there's a White Dudes for Harris call scheduled.

We should challenge them to donate more since they make more.

[paleotn]

15. Hey, whatever it takes. I don't care.

We can return to our regularly scheduled arguments on race, gender, money, etc., etc., once the threat of dictatorship has past.

[Nittersing]

19. Here's the link!

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfv8CbvFVggb-D6bQ1-oPUNULwk6f1qzkjufYGIWFiCQ0Z8RA/viewform?pli=1

[wiggs]

16. Very smart IMHO, and impressive that these are coming together so quickly! Hasn't even been a week since

Harris announcement.

[nolabear]

21. I was on that call. It was incredibly humble and openly curious.

My two favorite quotes (slightly paraphrased)

White women have been conditioned to think we need to be kept safe when in reality they’re keeping us from voting to be able to keep ourselves safe. Women of color have always had to do that, and we can learn from them.

From Sue Byrd:
In playing basketball I learned that you need to be able to lead when it’s your area of expertise and stay back and follow the lead when someone else can do it better. We can join with women of color to be that kind of team.

That’s the most open, hopeful thing I’ve heard so far. I loved it. The willingness to join in was joyful and finally hopeful.

[Bucky]

23. I feel like the "white people are X" thing is a little played out

Yes, some white people are racists. Fuck them.

And I'm saying this as some one who is enthusiastically participating in Monday night's "White Dudes for Harris" zoom organizing event. I can see some people feeling more included in the campaign this way. Personally, I just think it's a fun, if cheesy, gimmick for organizing a campaign group.

But White Dudes for Harris isn't all that different than the "Blacks for Trump" group--in that is a group made up mostly of white people for white people.

But more importantly, membership is not gonna be exclusionary. If you're not white and not a dude, you can still join up. This is what the Democratic Party is all about: everyone is welcome. That's the message. It's a clunky way to get there, but we don't get to rewrite our shared culture to fit our political opinions. People are at wherever they're at. And that's okay.

So when I see a White Women for Kamala group, I'm not bothered or intimidated and I don't see it as condescending or divisive. I see it as a welcome mat that says, "You, Agatha, you belong here too." More importantly, it says our party cares about and is fighting for you too.