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Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:05 AM Jul 2024

Trump tells Christian group "I'm not Christian"

Everybody is focused on the “you won’t have to vote in four years” part of the speech, but towards the end, Trump admits “I’m not Christian”.

Seems like that might be important to share with the larger evangelical community…

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Trump tells Christian group "I'm not Christian" (Original Post) Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 OP
He didn't have to tell me he wasn't a Christian. I already knew that. BlueKota Jul 2024 #1
Except that's not what he said. Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #2
What then, did he say? cachukis Jul 2024 #3
"I'm a Christian" WarGamer Jul 2024 #9
Thanks. cachukis Jul 2024 #11
Agreed. In context, it's obvious. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #16
To be fair... BrianTheEVGuy Jul 2024 #19
He's had a lot of slurred speech - it makes me wonder if he's had any mini strokes TBF Jul 2024 #20
Agreed. Yet some people here think he was deft and agile enough to fake getting shot. onenote Jul 2024 #34
He shakes his head "no" when he touches his chest and says "not". Nt Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #23
That's How CNN Heard It, Too ProfessorGAC Jul 2024 #25
That's how I hear it too. His crappy affect "Im 'Ack' Christian" bullimiami Jul 2024 #30
Strange. PBS's closed caption of the event has it as "I'm not a Christian." tetedur Jul 2024 #31
He slurs into the word "a" with an "n" sound Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #10
Agreed. TwilightZone Jul 2024 #15
Exactly Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #18
I agree Escape Jul 2024 #21
It seems pretty clear to me that he said, "I'm not Christian". patphil Jul 2024 #6
Yes it is, Kilemeade is trying to do similar thing. Why give them benefit of doubt?!?! uponit7771 Jul 2024 #7
He said he is not Christian BlueKota Jul 2024 #8
He definitely said "I'm not Christian" biophile Jul 2024 #13
Correct, it was just slurred words. FTR has been all (fake) 'jesusy' in his ramblings at times Celerity Jul 2024 #17
I watched the video probably 20 times, several slowed down.... SKKY Jul 2024 #4
Right here he's admitting that he's going to destroy our form of government...no more voting. BComplex Jul 2024 #5
Never was. republianmushroom Jul 2024 #12
Rumaging Rumaging Jul 2024 #14
He said, "I'm a Christian." It's in the closed captions and that is what I heard - he's slurring Earthrise Jul 2024 #22
Closed captions are often wrong. Fiendish Thingy Jul 2024 #24
Yes, certainly closed captions are often wrong! I listened a few times and thought I heard the same. Earthrise Jul 2024 #26
The man lies, and his moonscape Jul 2024 #27
He ain't followed by authentic Christians either BoRaGard Jul 2024 #28
I don't care what that POS says MorbidButterflyTat Jul 2024 #29
A "Cristian" that rarely goes to church when it is not politically advantageous. Jarqui Jul 2024 #32
He touches a Bible it would erupt into flames Dem4life1234 Jul 2024 #33
No shit, Sherlock! bif Jul 2024 #35

BlueKota

(5,345 posts)
1. He didn't have to tell me he wasn't a Christian. I already knew that.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:09 AM
Jul 2024

In church we sang a song, "They Will Know We are Christian by Our Love. djt doesn't know what it means to love anything but his own image.

Arthur_Frain

(2,358 posts)
2. Except that's not what he said.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:11 AM
Jul 2024

Man I hate it when our side does this shit. He always garbles his words but he doesn't say "I'm not a christian".

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
9. "I'm a Christian"
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:33 AM
Jul 2024

Sounded like 4 syllables.

I-MAA-CHRISTIAN

NOT

IM-NOT-CHRISTIAN

When people WANT to hear something they will hear it.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
16. Agreed. In context, it's obvious.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:00 PM
Jul 2024

We do this all the time - ignore context and just fixate on what we think we hear, and then pretend that the context doesn't matter.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
19. To be fair...
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:44 PM
Jul 2024

Donald Trump is extremely elderly (oldest presidential nominee in history) and undergoing severe and obvious cognitive decline among other health problems. His confused, slurred speech and inability to maintain a single track of reasoning are both common in cognitive decline from advanced old age. 😁

TBF

(36,669 posts)
20. He's had a lot of slurred speech - it makes me wonder if he's had any mini strokes
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:01 PM
Jul 2024

I do think he meant to say "I'm a Christian". Why would he say anything else to that crowd? We all know he doesn't act like one, but I do think he pretends to be.

onenote

(46,142 posts)
34. Agreed. Yet some people here think he was deft and agile enough to fake getting shot.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 05:42 PM
Jul 2024

That I guy who can barely navigate a ramp without falling down or drink water without holding the container with both hands could instantly react to a fake bullet, fall down, apply some hollywood blood to his ear and thane get up in a matter of seconds.

ProfessorGAC

(76,704 posts)
25. That's How CNN Heard It, Too
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:05 PM
Jul 2024

Because I read that article and the quote was "I'm a Christian".
You, me, & CNN heard that. I'm sure millions of others did. I definitely don't hear what the OP says.

bullimiami

(14,075 posts)
30. That's how I hear it too. His crappy affect "Im 'Ack' Christian"
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:53 PM
Jul 2024

Liar is just affirming he’s one of them.
Thats a house full of stupid combined with either evil or extreme gullibility.

tetedur

(1,418 posts)
31. Strange. PBS's closed caption of the event has it as "I'm not a Christian."
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 04:15 PM
Jul 2024

I think it was a Freudian slip.

Arthur_Frain

(2,358 posts)
10. He slurs into the word "a" with an "n" sound
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:34 AM
Jul 2024

So it sounds like he says "I'm n'a christian"

I've seen this video three times now. Its not like this idiot doesn't give us enough wonderful ammunition as it is with the crap that does spew from his pie hole. Joe has stumbled through a few speeches lately, but it was obvious what he was trying to say, just like it's obvious what tfg was trying to say here, no matter what OP heard.

I don't care enough to watch his entire speech, but I wonder at the "you won't have to vote again in four years" comment too. It sure seems like a stupid thing to say, but did he quantify it in some way before he got to that point? We don't need to take shit out of context, because like I said, this numbskull is a gold mine of malapropisms without our having to dig very deep at all.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
15. Agreed.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:58 AM
Jul 2024

Re: Christian -- people hear what they want to hear, and this is one of those times. In context, it's obvious that's what he meant, garbled or not.

The four years nonsense is hazy. In context (again), I think he was trying to say that he'd fix everything in four years so people wouldn't have to worry about voting, or he meant it would be the last time they'd have to vote for him, but that's not how it comes across.

Arthur_Frain

(2,358 posts)
18. Exactly
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:26 PM
Jul 2024

That's kind of what I expected his "fix everything in 4 years" remark was, but I couldn't stomach wading through any more of his rambling incoherencies looking for meaning.

Thanks for taking that hit for me!

Escape

(469 posts)
21. I agree
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:01 PM
Jul 2024

I didn't hear "I am not a Christian" but whatever he tried to say, it seems pretty unimportant compared to his obvious statement about "fixing" it so that his followers won't have to vote any more. There is no discrepancy about that statement.

He barely speaks English at all. Trying to decipher his words is an exercise in futility.


patphil

(9,068 posts)
6. It seems pretty clear to me that he said, "I'm not Christian".
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:22 AM
Jul 2024

I just listened to his words a couple more times, it pretty clear; no doubt in my mind.

BlueKota

(5,345 posts)
8. He said he is not Christian
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:31 AM
Jul 2024

Ever hear of a Freudian slip? He didn't mean to say it, but he did. Probably one of the more truthful things he has ever said.

biophile

(1,424 posts)
13. He definitely said "I'm not Christian"
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:51 AM
Jul 2024

I listened to it too - without looking and very much concentrating. I’m not projecting what I want to hear.

Celerity

(54,407 posts)
17. Correct, it was just slurred words. FTR has been all (fake) 'jesusy' in his ramblings at times
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 12:00 PM
Jul 2024

since the shooting. Watch his bullshit at the convention.

FTR

Felon Trump Rapist

The anti-FDR

SKKY

(12,801 posts)
4. I watched the video probably 20 times, several slowed down....
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:15 AM
Jul 2024

...and there is absolutely no chance he didn't say, "I'm not Christian". And he even had the inflection when he said it, as if to imply, "You guys are Christian, and that's fine but I"m not." Kinda like saying, "You guys love soccer, I don't love soccer, but you guys do."

BComplex

(9,914 posts)
5. Right here he's admitting that he's going to destroy our form of government...no more voting.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 11:20 AM
Jul 2024

He said it. Kamala could play this over and over in an ad.

Earthrise

(15,750 posts)
22. He said, "I'm a Christian." It's in the closed captions and that is what I heard - he's slurring
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:29 PM
Jul 2024

and he could have slipped up and said he’s not a Christian, but I don’t think he did.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,236 posts)
24. Closed captions are often wrong.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:35 PM
Jul 2024

He touched his chest and shook his head “no” when he said it.

Earthrise

(15,750 posts)
26. Yes, certainly closed captions are often wrong! I listened a few times and thought I heard the same.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:09 PM
Jul 2024

General point: If it isn’t a crystal clear statement, we ought not expend much energy wondering or debating about it. He could easily claim he is extremely tired by his intense campaign schedule - blah, blah, blah - and misspoke.

What he did say, that was crystal clear, is that we wouldn’t need to vote again after this election.

moonscape

(5,722 posts)
27. The man lies, and his
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:13 PM
Jul 2024

mismatched verbal/head falls in line. Common lying indicator.

From https://www.businessinsider.com/how-to-tell-signs-someone-is-lying-to-you-2017-6?op=1#pay-attention-to-how-they-shake-their-head-7

"Former CIA officers take the identification of cues a step further to discover if someone is lying," Lavelle said. "One example mentioned is verbal/non-verbal disconnect if someone is saying 'yes,' but shaking their head no, this is a potential sign of deceit."

BoRaGard

(7,591 posts)
28. He ain't followed by authentic Christians either
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:14 PM
Jul 2024

only those who imagine they are "elect" and imagine that they could not be deceived by a lifelong conman who thinks of his submissive followers as "suckers and losers,"

It's tough when you find out the con man has played you
and that you are indeed both a sucker and a loser.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
29. I don't care what that POS says
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:29 PM
Jul 2024

He looks and sounds like a huckster outside a sideshow tent coaxing rubes to pay to see the Fiji Mermaid.

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
32. A "Cristian" that rarely goes to church when it is not politically advantageous.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 04:18 PM
Jul 2024


Presidential daily schedule is published
This is during his first 3.5 years in office:
January 20, 2017 St. John’s Episcopal Church, Lafayette Square for Inauguration
April 16, 2017: Bethesda-by-the-Sea Church, Palm Beach, FL for Easter
September 2, 2017 First Church of Pearland, TX Hurricane Harvey - just gave remarks, no service
December 24, 2017 Bethesda-by-the-Sea Church, Palm Beach, FL Christmas Eve
April 1, 2018 Bethesda-by-the-Sea Church, Palm Beach, FL for Easter
December 5, 2018 Washington National Cathedral, Washingon Funeral former President George H.W. Bush, Trump would not say the Apostles’ Creed
December 24, 2018 Washington National Cathedral Christmas Eve
March 17, 2019 St. John’s Episcopal Church in Lafayette Square
April 21, 2019 Bethesda-by-the-Sea Episcopal Church, Palm Beach, FL
June 2, 2019 After playing golf in VA, Trump went to evangelical church for 11 minutes “Special Day of Prayer” for Trump.
December 24, 2019 Baptist-affiliated conservative church, West Palm Beach, FL after Chritian magazine criticized Trump’s “grossly immoral character.”
January 3, 2020 evangelical megachurch, Miami, FL campaign rally
June 1, 2020 St. John’s Episcopal Church in Lafayette Square political photo op, no prayers or Bible verse
June 2, 2020 Saint John Paul II National Shrine but was condemned for using as a political prop

3 Christmas
3 Easter
1 St Patrick's Day
7 Political

And like the criminal laws, Trump doesn't adhere to the 10 commandments:


Half of the 10 Commandments

“Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.”
Trump only goes to Church about 4 times per year - usually for show

“Thou shalt not commit adultery.”
Trump cheated on all 3 of his wives multiple times

“Thou shalt not steal.”
Trump just got nailed for $355M in fraud
Trump Org was convicted of 17 criminal felonies including fraud
https://cnn.com/2023/01/13/politics/trump-org-sentencing/index.html

“Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.”
Trump’s false or misleading claims total 30,573 over 4 years
https://washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/24/trumps-false-or-misleading-claims-total-30573-over-four-years/

“Thou shalt not covet.”
https://nytimes.com/2016/10/08/us/donald-trump-tape-transcript.html
Trump: "I did try and fuck her. She was married."
Trump: "Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything."
Unanimous jury found Trump liable for raping E Jean Carroll

I don't think Jesus would go along with the above but a bunch of MAGAidiots do
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