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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(135,713 posts)
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:37 PM Jul 2024

Toyota to Replace Every Single Engine in 100,000 Tundra Pickups and Lexus SUVs

There are safety recalls, and then there are really time-consuming, expensive safety recalls. Toyota is experiencing the latter, having discovered earlier this year a defect in its twin-turbocharged V-6 truck engines that power the Tundra pickup truck as well as Lexus's LX luxury SUVs—at least, those 2022 to 2023 model-year variants built between November 2021 and February 2023 (or the same model years built between July 2021 and November 2022 for the LX). The issue can cause the engine stall unexpectedly; per Toyota's NHTSA recall notices to dealers:

"There is a possibility that certain machining debris may not have been cleared from the engine when it was produced. In the involved vehicles, this can lead to potential engine knocking, engine rough running, engine no start and/or a loss of motive power. A loss of motive power while driving at higher speeds can increase the risk of a crash."

When Toyota submitted documentation of the issue to NHTSA (National Highway Traffic Safety Administration) in May 2024, it noted that a fix for the 102,092 potentially affected vehicles was still being determined. At the time, Toyota also estimated that 1 percent of those vehicles might actually suffer from the defect, but that was due to a quirk in NHTSA's filing requirements. As the company notes in the filing, it only estimated a 1-percent failure rate because it in fact was "unable to estimate the percentage of the involved vehicles to actually contain the defect described in Section 5. However, as the NHTSA manufacturer portal requires an integer value be entered, Toyota has entered the value “1” in response to this question in the portal. For the purpose of this report, '1' means 'unknown'."

Two months later, it seems Toyota arrived no closer to a solid estimate of how many Tundras and LX models are potentially impacted by the machining debris issue, so it's decided to remedy the problem by replacing every potentially affected engine, per reporting by Automotive News. (We've reached out to Toyota for confirmation that this is, in fact, the fix, and will update this piece when we hear back.) Toyota notes that this remedy applies only (at least so far) to the non-hybrid versions of its V35A twin-turbocharged 3.4-liter V-6 engines; the hybrid variants (available in the Tundra) can still provide motive power in the event of an engine failure, thanks to their electric motors.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/toyota-to-replace-every-single-engine-in-100-000-tundra-pickups-and-lexus-suvs/ar-BB1qGvRx

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Toyota to Replace Every Single Engine in 100,000 Tundra Pickups and Lexus SUVs (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2024 OP
"Replace Every Single Engine " that's gonna hurt the bottom line and I'm glad they are stepping up and mitch96 Jul 2024 #1
At $10,000 per engine, that's a billion dollars bucolic_frolic Jul 2024 #2
I wouldn't rush in to the dealer. Mosby Jul 2024 #19
One of the biggest factors in an engine's longevity is the cleanliness of the factory. pecosbob Jul 2024 #3
I have a 2023 Lexus RX350 but it's a V-4 engine so assume I'm not affected by this recall. Raftergirl Jul 2024 #4
You don't have a V4 Chuuku Davis Jul 2024 #5
Ok. I'm not a car person so no idea the difference. Only know it's not a 6. Raftergirl Jul 2024 #7
I am not a car person either but dsc Jul 2024 #9
This is a foreign language to me. Raftergirl Jul 2024 #13
They've been doing this for 100+ years and cars still aren't as reliable as aswiss watch WarGamer Jul 2024 #6
My 06 Tacoma sure seems to though. Arthur_Frain Jul 2024 #8
you might have the 2.7L I4... an absolute workhorse. WarGamer Jul 2024 #18
Can we finally admit that letting the industry regulate itself is a truly terrible idea? Initech Jul 2024 #10
Alabama quality control? dalton99a Jul 2024 #11
Toyota owns it. Their quality is largely nostalgia hype JCMach1 Jul 2024 #16
Didn't they just have a rusty chassis problem with RubyRose Jul 2024 #12
That sounds like something that should be done in a factory, assembly line fashion... hunter Jul 2024 #14
It could be worse rictofen Jul 2024 #15
Some bean counter is losing their job over this. Angleae Jul 2024 #17
Ouch! That's going to hurt the bank account! Xolodno Jul 2024 #20

mitch96

(15,802 posts)
1. "Replace Every Single Engine " that's gonna hurt the bottom line and I'm glad they are stepping up and
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:45 PM
Jul 2024

doing the right thing...
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bucolic_frolic

(55,136 posts)
2. At $10,000 per engine, that's a billion dollars
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:47 PM
Jul 2024

Assumption that engine plus dealer reimbursement will be about 10 grand. If I owned one I'd wonder if everything will be done just right.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
19. I wouldn't rush in to the dealer.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:15 PM
Jul 2024

Give the dealer mechanics time to work thru the little details. They also are going to have to manufacture most of the replacement engines, which might be tricky given how often parts are changed/upgraded.

Raftergirl

(1,856 posts)
4. I have a 2023 Lexus RX350 but it's a V-4 engine so assume I'm not affected by this recall.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 01:52 PM
Jul 2024

at least not yet. I haven’t gotten anything from Lexus and they are excellent about notifying customers of any issue.

dsc

(53,397 posts)
9. I am not a car person either but
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:08 PM
Jul 2024

an inline means that the cylinders are in a line so x x x x vs a v where they look like a v (without the center)


so
x x
x x

Arthur_Frain

(2,355 posts)
8. My 06 Tacoma sure seems to though.
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 02:57 PM
Jul 2024

Never selling it either. IMHO we passed peak automotive here in the states some time ago. Aesthetically sometime in the 70s, reliability wise somewhere in the early 2000s. These days, everything looks the same, and you see silver painted plastic instead of chromed metal.

JCMach1

(29,202 posts)
16. Toyota owns it. Their quality is largely nostalgia hype
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 04:10 PM
Jul 2024

At this point. Their quality is pretty much even with all major manufacturers at this point.

hunter

(40,690 posts)
14. That sounds like something that should be done in a factory, assembly line fashion...
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 03:54 PM
Jul 2024

... not in some dealer's busy and chaotic shop.

Xolodno

(7,350 posts)
20. Ouch! That's going to hurt the bank account!
Sat Jul 27, 2024, 08:17 PM
Jul 2024

I used to pull out engines on old vehicles with my dad when the engine needed to be rebuilt. Very labor intensive and takes awhile. My brother pulled out the engine on his older Dodge Hemi Truck when he hit 500k miles, that was like four years ago and he's just turned it into a hobby and slowly putting it back together. Engine goes out on a "newer" vehicle, I'd would just get another vehicle.

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