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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHere are the negatives I see for each of the VP options...
ROY COOPER (NC-GOV) Has Mark Robinson as LtG, who could cause chaos every time Cooper left the State to campaign.
JOSH SHAPIRO (PA-GOV) Jewish (prospectively scares off the pro-Gaza voters in Michigan) and supports school vouchers
TIM WALZ (MN-GOV) Most left-leaning of all the known prospects; doesnt help with an at-risk State.
ANDY BESHEAR (KY-GOV) Doesnt;t expand the map (Kentucky isnt remotely competitive)
MARK KELLY (AZ-SEN) Looks great on paper but reportedly not a compelling speaker on the stump.
PETE BUTTIGIEG (DOT SEC) Gay (not so much a religious bias; more a risk that he suggests playing identity politics); strong linkage to the Biden Administration (vs allowing Harris to frame her own message.)
Personally, I think Pete presents the best risk/reward option.
sky_masterson
(559 posts)I think for Image alone that Mark Kelly may be the best suited.
You could refine his message and stump skills I think.
Being an astronaut and the man who stuck with his wife after a failed assassination attempt means something.
Everyone loves an astronaut. Plus being from a border state.
That is where I would go
CurtEastPoint
(19,149 posts)Kittycatkat
(1,734 posts)BComplex
(9,048 posts)Got Biden's pick for Labor Secy defeated by voting with the republicans.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,574 posts)If Manchin and Sinema opposed the nominee was dead already and his vote was meaningless.
BComplex
(9,048 posts)He made a statement with his vote.
I know he's in a state with a lot of powerful and nasty republicans, and he had to answer to that. So I definitely cut him slack in that respect. But votes show where they stand, too. And he didn't stand with Biden or with Democrats.
sky_masterson
(559 posts)The fact that he didn't vote in line with his party plays well for him being a moderate. It might actually be a plus.
Aristus
(68,266 posts)Then went on to be the most progressive President in eighty years.
If Mark Kelly becomes VP, I don't think he's going to do a lot to undermine the ticket, or torpedo any chances he has of following Harris as President (if he even has such ambitions.)
BComplex
(9,048 posts)Check out the video and posts posted down thread from here. I think you'll agree Aristus.
PeaceWave
(847 posts)LisaL
(46,576 posts)So the state of NC will have to get used to Cooper not being governor anyway.
democrank
(11,250 posts)I could support any of the potential VP picks you mentioned. Right now I favor Kelly and Buttigieg. Kelly for his (and Gabbys) accomplishments and character, Buttigieg for his accomplishments, intelligence and communication skills.
Ill enthusiastically support Vice President Harris choice.
Fiendish Thingy
(18,304 posts)Robinsons chaos when Cooper was out of state might just accelerate Robinsons loss, and Cooper could rescind any nutty orders upon return.
Cooper could help flip NC which has 16 EVs compared to PAs 19. Flipping NC for Harris could also help downballot dems.
LisaL
(46,576 posts)And he can not run for re-election as governor, so it's not like it's going to cost us governorship.
FloridaBlues
(4,363 posts)As long as there is communication ability the Gov is still in charge. Not Lt Gov.
dsc
(52,601 posts)He is running for governor and he doesn't want to scare the electorate. Selfishly I also think Cooper would help us here in NC with down ballot races.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)dsc
(52,601 posts)I think we underestimate him at our peril. Look, it would be great if he actually did go buck wild when Cooper left, as it would serve as a preview for us. But, I do think someone has him under control right now.
mucholderthandirt
(1,136 posts)If you didn't know he was batshit crazy, he sounds so likeable and reasonable. This is a danger to the state, we don't need yet another idiot Republican in the governor's office. It's taken Roy Cooper eight years to clean up the last mess.
yardwork
(64,057 posts)Robinson is running for governor now and won't do anything to endanger U.S. chances of election.
Edit - I meant this reply to be for brooklynite. I agree with dsc.
Kid Berwyn
(17,832 posts)Strengths. Weaknesses. Opportunities. Threats.
IMFO: Let's go with Mark Kelly. Guy's a hero in every field and space he's entered.
And, at essence, all he has to say on the stump: "We're not trump."
RustyWheels
(162 posts)He's been on the TV a lot lately, "Auditioning" for the VP job, and has been doing great.
The most left-leaning for sure, but the results in MN during his governorship have been outstanding.
He will compliment the ticket and boost our chances in the Midwest/Rust-Belt states ( MN, IA, WI, MI, OH and PA ).
Nanjeanne
(5,435 posts)he is. But he supported gay marriage way before it was the norm and still turned a red district blue. So perhaps these things have been mistakenly called left leaning when they are really just policies majority population supports.
LizBeth
(10,789 posts)runs their govt better than Or, and I am impressed with Or. lol.
BComplex
(9,048 posts)We have such a deep & qualified bench, it has to be tough for Harris to choose.
It's hard enough for us armchair quarterbacks on DU!
WarGamer
(15,261 posts)Fla Dem
(25,636 posts)and later to the administration. He has a favorable reputation not only in Kentucky, but other Southern states as well.
Attached article highlights and expands on the pros and cons of selecting Besher.
The two-term governor, getting buzz as a potential running mate for Kamala Harris, won re-election last year in a state Trump won by more than 20 points in 2020.
July 24, 2024, 12:49 PM EDT
By Matt Dixon and Katherine Doyle
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/kentucky-gov-andy-beshear-democrats-vp-pick-kamala-harris-rcna163115
I also like PETE BUTTIGIEG. While he has good approval ratings, when it comes to actually selecting him on the ballot, I think there'll be a lot of hesitation particularly among religious voters, men and older voters. My concern is when voters have to make a selection of a Minority Female along with a Gay Man, that selection will be very difficult. A bridge too far for many. For those sick of Trump, they may end up, not voting at all, voting for RFK Jr or leaving the President selection blank. I hope I'm wrong, I think they'd make a great team.
Demsrule86
(70,981 posts)yardwork
(64,057 posts)He can't win KY or OH, but he'd help us win MI, PA, WI, and possibly NC and GA.
Beshear and Cooper help us with centrist white swing voters all over the EC.
gab13by13
(24,896 posts)Shapiro locks in 19 Electoral votes. I live in Pa. and I wish people outside of Pa. need to know how much money Magats are pouring into Pa. TSF beat Hillary in Pa. in 2016, by 1 point.
Magats ran anti-Kamala ads in Pa. 2 days after Joe stepped down. Magats have just started running Willie Horton ads.
Just saying, the race is to 270 and Pa. has 19.
BComplex
(9,048 posts)Walz, Cooper, Buttigieg, Shapiro, Kelly. We have all the good people, and the republicans don't have ANYTHING!!
pinkstarburst
(1,539 posts)getting Kamala's message out. He is so well spoken. He does well under fire. He is youthful and inspiring and I think he would encourage the same vitality and energy in the campaign that Kamala currently has fired up. We need someone who generates energy and lights a fire under our base and gets them excited to vote.
ROY COOPER -In addition to the issues caused by the Lt. Governor, he's one of the older potential candidates. I would rather have a pick that can be set up to be president in 8 years.
JOSH SHAPIRO -I was really excited about him at first and he's probably still my second choice, but the school vouchers thing and the fact that we could lose MI and WI makes me nervous. Does taking him out of Pennsylvania mean if there are voting shenanigans, we won't have a governor in place to stop them?
TIM WALZ -I don't really have an opinion on Walz either way. What does he gain us, other than being a white male governor? We usually win MN.
ANDY BESHEAR -Same as Walsh, I don't really have an opinion on Beshear, but I don't see the positives either. We won't win Kentucky anyway, so it seems like all we'd be doing is taking a Democratic governor out of a red state where we likely won't get a democratic governor elected again.
MARK KELLY- I haven't seen him on any talk shows. Is he a good speaker? Does he have energy that can keep us going for the next 100 days? I am also concerned about the loss of the AZ senate seat.
LisaL
(46,576 posts)And the rest is history.
Response to LisaL (Reply #35)
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Demsrule86
(70,981 posts)But he doesn't have the experience. When I see how my Lesbian daughter is treated, I have my doubts that Pete could win. Did you know in Ohio, Doctors could refuse to treat my girl because it violates their core beliefs? I would pick Shapiro. I like Kelly but the unions don't much. Also, we desperately need the Senate seat. We must hold the Senate or no judges. This is a must-win election. We can't take chances.
agingdem
(8,540 posts)so what if he's Jewish...racists/misogynists/racist misogynists are not going to vote for Kamala even if her running mate is the whitest white guy with a cross tattooed on his forehead and wearing a "Jesus Love Me" t-shirt..
usaf-vet
(6,859 posts)My backup choices in descending order
Josh Shapiro except supports school vouchers (a problem for me)
Andy Beshear Could start to move Kentucky to the left.
Mark Kelly has a standing when it comes to gun issues.
Tim Walz from the neighboring state 🤷
Roy Cooper 🤷🤷
Nanjeanne
(5,435 posts)Link to tweet
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LizBeth
(10,789 posts)BComplex
(9,048 posts)LizBeth
(10,789 posts)Shapiro and you are right about MN but he is midwestern so...
Bluesaph
(889 posts)Is Shapiro. He can articulate the Gaza situation. He also can probably bring a much needed state as well as coattails of the rust belt states.
I think the school voucher situation can be assuaged. He needs to come out strongly for public education and higher pay for teachers and smaller class sizes.
The liberal anti-Israel crowd can also possibly be convinced by taking advantage of his great skill at framing the discussion. He will need to go on every Sunday show for these things.
I love Pete and he would be my first choice. But we need the rust belt states. Kamala doesnt have a way to win without them.
DeepWinter
(414 posts)Pete's in the lead for my support. We'll see how the next week or so plays out I guess. Thanks for your thoughts!
BComplex
(9,048 posts)Either one will compliment Madam President Harris.
onandup
(701 posts)I know he's only a year older than Kamala, but he doesn't project youth like she does.
BComplex
(9,048 posts)well for him, and that comes across as really positive for our issues.
moonscape
(5,342 posts)onandup
(701 posts)That's pretty insulting.
quaint
(3,506 posts)quaint
(3,506 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,998 posts)Walz helps more than any VP contender in any state where we need to get off the mute button with voters who think there is no difference between the parties.
That would be all at-risk states.
Maybe you can tell me what it is about a Midwestern governor with a rural upbringing, military experience, former high school teacher and MN state-championship football coach with a superb track record of success as governor that prevents him from being a huge help in WI, MI and PA and the redder portions of any contested state. Not to mention he is a pheasant hunter who won the congressional marksmanship trophy when he served in Congress multiple times (seems they used to have a contest) and is adored by David Hogg for his stance on gun regulation.
There is no contender more popular with younger voters and labor. There is no contender that even approaches his ability to break through on the media and frame issue after issue to our benefit. He is Buttigieg for working men and women; he expands the market where Pete generates knowing nods of agreement from people who will vote for us anyway.
No help in at-risk states? What a joke.
Nanjeanne
(5,435 posts)He turned a red district blue and kept getting re-elected. Walzs rural origins and appeal are another source of balance and strength. A U.S. House member for 12 years, Walz repeatedly won re-election in the kind of rural area where Dems have been getting killed in recent years.
Hes a Midwestern governor who could help nail down the Blue Wall states of Wisconsin, Michigan and probably Pennsylvania. And Walz was born in a tiny town of 400 people in Nebraska. Favored by labor unions, unemployment rate hit a record low and a state surplus climbed to a record high on his watch - not sure how that brings nothing to at risk states.
Plus hes just great at messaging. Example - "Rights are not like a piece of pie. There's enough for everybody."
BComplex
(9,048 posts)And he's awesome at making a point. As good as Buttigieg, IMHO....which says a LOT!!
gibraltar72
(7,629 posts)Bayard
(24,145 posts)Our safest choice is Shapiro, especially if he'd bring in PA.
H2O Man
(75,355 posts)would be a solid choice. He would appeal to labor/unions, is a veteran, owns at least one gun, and is rational about pot. But I'd be happy with any governor or Senator Kelly. They have the experience to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. I think that while Harris is being attacked by the cult for being an example of "identity politics," her credentials are very strong. And we need both members of the ticket to have strong credentials.
themaguffin
(4,161 posts)ColinC
(10,569 posts)But rather the sexual harassment claim against a staff member in his office that he paid a fairly large settlement for. That could potentially bite us in the ass more than his isolated position on school vouchers and his religion (which has literally nothing to do with policy: remember Bernie is Jewish but is loved by the pro Palestinian groups)
OnDoutside
(20,649 posts)ColinC
(10,569 posts)angrychair
(9,689 posts)Walz is an very articulate speaker, smart and strong Democrat with good experience but not to old and is a military veteran. He is a complete package. I admit I slept on him and shouldn't have.
Mark Kelly is a genuine American hero. An astronaut . Popular sitting US Senator. Military veteran and pilot. He brings a lot to the table and would have wide appeal. Could help deliver AZ.
Roy Cooper knows NC like the back of his hand. He managed to when two terms on a very purple state. Could help deliver NC to a Democratic Party presidential candidate for the first time since 2008. Could also help with other southern states like Virginia and Georgia. Biggest negative is he is older than the other potential candidates.
Of all of these, I'm still set on Cooper but would be happy and proud to have any of them.
Back up would be Walz and Kelly as a tie. I couldn't choose
spanone
(137,512 posts)Shapiro did not publicly back creating a voucher program until his run for governor in 2022, according to a review of news articles and public statements he has made.
He has tempered his position deeply unpopular among many of his Democratic colleagues by saying he will only support such a program if it does not take money away from public education.
I think it's very important that we fully fund public education, Shapiro told reporters at a 2022 campaign event. And I also think it's really important that we empower parents to put their kids in the best place for them to be able to succeed.
https://www.spotlightpa.org/news/2024/07/josh-shapiro-vice-president-school-choice-voucher/#:~:text=Despite%20his%20high%2Dprofile%20public,his%20two%2Ddecade%20political%20career.
Charlie Chapulin
(323 posts)Compelling story, real American hero stuff. But, yeah, he can be a little stiff.
flying_wahini
(7,980 posts)(I know lots of older men here will disagree with that). Astronauts dont have the cache they used to with this younger generation.
I think Buttegieg would be a big draw for younger voters. They really like him and being gay isnt even a thing. I think the problem with Pete is he may keep away any evangelicals on the fence. Margin voters that make up Nikki Haleys gang are going to make the difference. Those are the voters that we need. Not undecided really, but loathe to vote for TSF and think they may stay at home.
OnDoutside
(20,649 posts)1. Where does Kamala Harris stand re School Vouchers ?
Why I ask is if she's against them, then Shapiro will fall in line
2. Where to Republicans stand re School Vouchers ?
If they support School Vouchers, then where's the GOP attack line against him ?
elocs
(23,048 posts)Either would be hard to prove, but jeopardizing an election win is not worth the risk and this election is way, way to important for that. I'm sure that Harris realizes that and it will be her choice not ours.