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suegeo

(3,137 posts)
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 11:09 AM Jul 2024

The shooter followed team sniper into the parking lot. He parked his car near the counter snipers

The shooter followed the sniper team into the parking lot.
How would he know to do that?

Thomas Cooper left his car near team sniper. The snipers thought it suspicious.
Was it suspicious enough for the snipers or cops to check the inside of the shooter's car-- to see what might be in the interior of the car--during the 1 and 1/2 hours when they were keeping an eye on the kid...

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/texts-show-officers-lost-track-024106916.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAHJ0QEPUfFVy2NjQvSR3de8OT6bv5PiWgYerEOvdjhOUiy58-rdEBqIqBbltt4fIRnVtXPyO2OH8Q_QxUa209bBBR6fK2MCxCcOEIrSn37zZnSxJAcp3JW4mgC7F9aZEkyTBTMlOq5hIKDjzzD2GwcLyRLb8McppYi_WDk59zElf

The Times published screenshots from a group chat between members of a counter-sniper team at the rally. When one of the officers texted that his shift was ending, around 4:26 p.m., he warned that a man—later confirmed to be Crooks—had parked near them and knew the sniper team was there.

Someone followed our lead and snuck in and parked by our cars just so you know,” the text from an officer read. A follow-up message said that Crooks was about 50 yards from the rally’s exit, at a picnic table. Two other counter-snipers responded with a thumbs up emoji and a “Roger that.”

Crooks had moved by 5:10 p.m., however. The Times reported he’d then positioned himself below a local sniper team who who were upstairs in a warehouse owned by AGR International—the very building Crooks eventually perched himself atop of and fired at Trump from.

While Crooks waited there, an officer texted pictures of him


Wow what an unfortunate co-incidence.
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Wonder Why

(7,029 posts)
1. Never attribute conspiratorial actions to anything that can be attributed to ordinary stupidity.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 11:13 AM
Jul 2024
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
5. Did Crooks have the rifle concealed somehow all the time they were watching him? I haven't heard
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 11:29 AM
Jul 2024

one way or another.

John1956PA

(4,964 posts)
8. I watched the live stream of the rally and its introduction.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 12:03 PM
Jul 2024

Before Trump took the stage, the loudspeakers blared the Lee Greenwood song over and over. The crowd was revved up. I think that it was at this time that Crooks walked back to his vehicle and retrieved his rifle.

I am surmising, of course. I can not point to any reports to back up my theory.

 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
9. Okay. I was assuming he must not have been open carrying legal or not. I just hadn't seen any pics or heard
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 12:06 PM
Jul 2024

for sure.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
6. Trump always cuts corners
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 11:30 AM
Jul 2024

I'm sure the pros at the Secret Service warned him repeatedly about all these rallies and how dangerous they are. I'm sure he cut corners and reduced security so he could get the narcissistic supply he needs from adoring MAGAs, and as a result, Crooks was able to get in.

moniss

(9,056 posts)
7. So the local sniper cops had him spotted
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 11:53 AM
Jul 2024

but apparently waited for over an hour and then one guy thought to tell the SS according to the article. "It wasn’t until 5:38 p.m. that, over text, one of the counter-snipers suggested that someone should alert the Secret Service". That included time during which the one local sniper cop reported that he saw the kid aim a range finder at the stage. Wow almost as good a job by the locals as the school in Texas.

suegeo

(3,137 posts)
11. ABC News report said the locals didn't have direct line of comms to Secret Service.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 02:47 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Mon Jul 29, 2024, 04:26 PM - Edit history (1)

The same ABC News report** said local sniper Gregory Nichol, of the Beaver County Swat Team snapped the photos of Thomas Crooks.

He took the pictures and forwarded them to a command. And then they don't know what command did with that information.

The local team was suppose to have a meeting with secret service before the event. Some local sniper said the meeting didn't happen.

**ABC News, reporter Aaron Kotowski Katersky 07/29/2024

moniss

(9,056 posts)
12. Good gracious
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 03:15 PM
Jul 2024

what a cluster!! I wonder how much of what went on or didn't as far as his detail was controlled by the Orange Ruski. He seems to have made them like they stand down when at Mar-Ugh-Ghastly. All kinds of people wandering in and out and nobody knows how they got in or what they're doing there.

Buckeyeblue

(6,352 posts)
13. With all the details that have come out, had the shooter succeeded things would be a mess
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 03:31 PM
Jul 2024

This stuff is just crazy.

And Trump would have been a martyr. Which, I think, is what he has always wanted.

Jacson6

(2,014 posts)
14. This was just another nutter with a assault rifle.
Mon Jul 29, 2024, 03:49 PM
Jul 2024

The republican's should support this second amendment shooter. That is what they are asking for. They want people to have guns so they shoot to wound or murder other people. That is the only purpose of a gun. IMHO.

suegeo

(3,137 posts)
17. I'm not sure if shooter had a car, van or bike to follow SS in.
Tue Jul 30, 2024, 06:48 PM
Jul 2024

Last edited Thu Aug 1, 2024, 03:03 PM - Edit history (2)

But the shooter had to have a vehicle to get to the site, which was about 40 miles away from his mom and dad's house.

Or someone drove him from mom's house to the rally.

There's a picture of a bike with backpack and gear, a bike that might have been the shooters.

Just trying to keep track of how he got to the site.

ON EDIT:
ABC News sat down with Beaver Country Swat team. It one version of the report, gave the shooter's timeline:
11:00 am Shooter arrived at rally site.

1:30 pm shooter returns to his parent's house, grabs the AR-15 gun, tells parents he is going to the gun range.

Somewhere in this story, the parents call the cops, worried that their son is missing. Meaning he never showed up at the gun range?

3:45 shooter returns to the rally site.

ME: He returns and follows local snipers into site, either on bike or by vehicle.

Shooter flies drone for 14 minutes. why wasn't there a large geofence put around the site, to help prevent drones from flying?

Shooter climbs on AC unit, small shed, gets onto roof. He traverses several roofs to get to spot where he shot 8 rounds.

Billy Thoma of Butler PA in a FOX news report said there was a white van on his street* when he returned home from work around 5 pm. Later that evening, 5 or so cop cars swoop in, some cop opens the back door of van, the cops jump back. There were IEDs in it.

White van, Arizona plates. Parked that close to the rally. Close enough to walk to the rally site. Or ride a bike.

*Youtube video seems to suggest the street is near the rally site/hog farm. The street is Lawrence Ave.

Conflicting reports from CNN claim the Thomas Crooks drove his Hyundai Sonata where cops later found bombs in the trunk. They hauled it away on a flat bed. After de-activating the bombs?

Owner of both car and the van Crooks.?

suegeo

(3,137 posts)
18. ABC News report, interview with Beaver Country Swat Team, et. al.
Tue Jul 30, 2024, 07:41 PM
Jul 2024

People taking part in the ABC News report

Mike Priolo, sniper, Beaver county

Greg Nichol, Beaver County sniper. Greg the sniper. Snapped photos of the shooter shared via texts with snipers on shared chat of local law enforcement. Expected someone would see his pictures of shooter, and then find and confront the shooter, see what the kid was up to. Don't know what happened or was communicated with SS after he sent the pictures of the shooter.

Jason Woods, lead sharp shooter, Beaver Country sniper group, said the sniper team was suppose to meet with Secret Service when SS arrived at site. That meeting didn't happen. No direct communication link with SS.

Nate Bible, DA Beaver County

Pat Young, Beaver County Chief detective, said could not communicate with SS or PA State PO directly.

Rich Gianvito. Beaver county swat team. one of the first up on the roof. His police camera video footage shows him climbing the swat teams black ladder onto nearby roof, traverses several roofs to get to the spot where shooter's (Dead) body was.

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