Cheato's not the only one who's floundering

[senseandsensibility]

The corporate media has no idea what to do with the Harris campaign or how to cover this new reality. This morning our friends at the NYT referred to Kamala's honeymoon winding down in a headline but cite no evidence of it actually winding down. However, if nothing else, the NYT has proven that they know how to set a narrative based on their own "vibes", so expect this to be the new one. The sugar high is going to fade away, and if it doesn't, they will do everything they can to make it happen.

Personally, I find it amusing to see them flailing and having to report positive news about the Dems before they inevitably start scolding them for being too confident.

I think they're going to have a fight on their hands if they try to "Hillary" Kamala. This isn't 2016 anymore.

[DFW]

1. One big difference this time

This time, we see them coming and are ready. We will never again assume that we have solid allies among the “liberal media.”

We don’t and they aren‘t.

[erronis]

22. It's pretty amazing how many of us bought into that "liberal media" put out by the capitalists

I certainly thought that a couple of my papers (WaPo, NYT) had a slightly liberal slant since there were/are still some good journalists on their payrolls.

But after listening to EmptyWheel, DemocraticUnderground, and other sites, I realized that their primary interests lay in knee-capping liberal and Democratic ideas. Subtle headline writing and story placements. Constant drum-rolls and both-siderism.

I hope I have learned something this time, and I hope I won't be so stupid next time.

[DFW]

48. It's not just capitalist-owned media.

Newspapers and TV in totalitarian socialist states are even more fanatic in their biased slant because they don’t need to pretend, having no competition. Trump’s ideal media, if he returns to power, is something along the lines of Правда during the Soviet days, when it proudly declared on page 1 of every issue: Орган центрального комитета коммунистической партии Советского Союза. Organ of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. Not a capitalist bone in their socialist bodies. Or so their state propaganda would have it, anyway.

[Hekate]

26. This

[Bev54]

37. They continue their BS of burying the worst of Trump under stupid headlines about his insults

rather than what he says that is important to the voters. They will continue but there are more and more people onto their stupid tricks and are calling them out. We should never stop calling them out and cancelling subscriptions for those still holding onto them. We should be calling Kahn to step down, he is too old and out of step to be running the NYtimes.

[Old Crank]

50. This statement turned my head.

Every major paper has a business section. Not one has a labour section.
Not one.

[DFW]

57. Big Labor is also big business

For articles like this, it doesn't really matter what section they are in--just that they are reported at all:
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/dec/14/kevin-brady/bidens-36-billion-to-save-teamsters-fund-from-inso/

[LuvLoogie]

2. Damn straight.

The NYTs can scratch off.

[SWBTATTReg]

3. The nyt is a joke, and seem to still think that they have a voice still in today's America. Personally, I don't think

so. With their continued bias, how can anyone trust the NYT? This is where these people who have bought out all of these newspapers think that they can manipulate Americans into thinking what the NYT deems 'important'.

Funny thing, the NYT is way off base, and doesn't know what the hell they're talking about IMHO. What do they have in their offices? A dartboard in their corporate headquarters where they randomly throw darts to select the topic of the day, and then run w/ it?

Idiots.

[usonian]

9. People fail most spectacularly

when they believe their own lies.

[getagrip_already]

4. Expect them to rig the polls to follow

Yes virginia, they can manipulate the polls.

Its as easy as adjusting the expected turnout ratios on election day. That is entirely up to the designers of thenpolls, and even small changes can have have meaningful outcomes.

So if they just tweak the % of older white males up slightly, voila, kamala slips in the polls and the narrative is backed up.

Polls are garbage, they are toxic.

[oasis]

15. +1

[tulipsandroses]

5. Exactly! I just posted a link to join a call with VP Harris tomorrow. I don't know how long ago it was posted.

The invite says "join thousands of others" - as of this writing, over a million people have signed up to be on that call. We are truly going to break the internet tomorrow!

[senseandsensibility]

7. Doesn't sound like the honeymoon is winding down to me

Of course it probably will eventually, and when it does the NYT should report it. But this reporting that it's happening already with no evidence is an example of their biased coverage.

[PatSeg]

45. Even if the honeymoon doesn't wind down,

you can be sure that the mainstream media will grow bored with all the positive headlines and will start manufacturing controversy where it does not exist.

I've already braced myself for the shift in reporting. They have to keep things interesting until November and reporting on Trump's usual nuttery is so redundant.

[senseandsensibility]

47. I'm sure it's because they can't find anything

to report about cheato.

[PatSeg]

49. In their minds, it is all just Trump being Trump

And everyone already knows who and what he is. They're in competition to come up with new and spicier headlines. I expect that they'll try to do to Kamala what they did to Hillary.

Meanwhile, there is always something else to discover about Trump, but most of the media can't be bothered these days.

[robbob]

51. My sister, who's fallen down some kind of internet rabbit hole of anti-Democratic Party nonsense

but claims to be against tRump told me, in all seriousness, “everybody already knows how horrible tRump is, that’s why the media doesn’t report on it…”.

Yeah, “everybody knows”. Except the 35% diehard supporters and the 20-30% or so undecided who may swing his way if they can hammer Kamala non-stop until November.

[Ananda62]

42. There's several calls

There’s one tonight at 7pm for all women, a call tonight at 8 pm for “white dudes” (all are welcome), and the national organizing call for everyone with Kamala Harris tomorrow.

I see the enthusiasm growing, not disappearing.

[CentralMass]

6. None of us know the outcome in November.

[CrispyQ]

8. Carville said a similar thing & later I heard Michael Steele pile on, too,

that dems better know what to do with this energy or lose or squander it. It feels a lot like mansplaining.

The things they both forget are, women remember the sting of winning the race in 2016 but not getting the title, & this campaign is only three months long. Trump's been on the national stage for almost a decade. Even people who don't hate him are sick of him! Harris is young, fresh, & she smiles! He never smiles unless it's a photo op. He's a sour, weird, old man.

We have the popular vote, no problem. We just need margins in the swing states to win in the courts.

[senseandsensibility]

10. Yes, agree about Carville

He's proven to be a key member of the weird old man club who wants to condescend to Kamala.

[NoSheep]

20. what a pompous ass he is

[Sucha NastyWoman]

31. carville doesn't realize

How irrelevant he is - mainly because the media keeps telling him he matters when they pit him on the air.

But I have no problem with Michael Steele. He’s just been trying to filre the Democrats up to fight back, which they haven’t done that well at in the past, but things are definitely changing now..

[Sky Jewels]

32. Yeah, STFU Carville!

He seriously needs to be put out to pasture.

[Skittles]

11. they are so used to running the show

it just kills them that VP Harris isn't following the script that as a woman and POC she needs to stay nice and polite

[ITAL]

12. If the "honeymoon" ends

It won't be till after the convention. Enthusiasm is gonna stay incredibly high through that at least.

[Sky Jewels]

33. It is only going to keep snowballing

especially after the convention.

[ITAL]

40. Well, I could see a small dip

There's always one. Even in '08 out of the convention where Obama spoke before a full 70K seat football stadium there was.

[BattleRow]

39. Speaking of honeymoons..

Seems like the honeymoon might already be over ,before it even began,with J.D. and T-Rump!

Anyone sniff annulment in the air?

[Conjuay]

13. If trump taught us anything

It's that the media is anything but liberal.
They tried smearing that nonsense for DECADES and it took the festering weirdo to prove the situation is quite the opposite. The days of E R Murrow and Walter Cronkite are distant shadows. Corporate media is pathetic.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

43. I learned the media wasn't liberal back in the 80s

When it constantly kissed Reagan's ass.

[Blue Owl]

14. It's HIGH. FUCKING. TIME. we fought back against the M$M who are doing the 1%'s bidding

[samsingh]

16. he wants the criminals to run the country and cowtow to foreign dictators

[Hermit-The-Prog]

41. Evidence that backs up what you said...

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1816489797004984584.html

[CanonRay]

17. Today's New York Times

lines tomorrow's bird cage.

[erronis]

24. Also good for composting. Just mix enough real organic material in with the pulp

to make it good for starting a new crop.

[William Seger]

18. Today's NYT home page: "In 2020, Harris Ran on Progressive Ideas"

Last edited Mon Jul 29, 2024, 04:31 PM - Edit history (2)

"... Will They Come Back to Haunt Her."

"Now the Republicans are digging up her old stances."

Really? Fuck the NYT.

EDIT: For some reason, the title has been edited to say, "That May Haunt Her in 2024."

[onecaliberal]

19. This is NOT 2016 and we don't care what that fascist rape supporting rag says.

[birdographer]

21. I'm not so sure the high will go away

I don't see a time between now and November when I will feel blasé about Kamala. Four years of Donny as President, a brief break, and then another year or two of him revving back up vs. 99 days of the joy of Kamala before the election--she still has a lot more to show us. OTOH, I was scolded recently here on DU for being too confident, so maybe that has begun here.

[Old Crank]

23. Perhaps the papers coule do actual reporting

instead of hit peices to attack the Democratic candidates.

Give Trump and Vance the same treatment as Biden got for 3.5 years.

[GoreWon2000]

25. Corporate media acting just like they did in 2000

when they trashed Al Gore while they fawned over bushthief. The corporate media likes their tax cuts and they don't care about anything else.

[karin_sj]

27. Yes

This seems to be their latest buzzword. I heard Chris Jansing asking someone what will happen when the "sugar high" is over and the person (I forget who it was) kept saying there is no signs of it being anywhere near over yet and that people are still really excited about Kamala. I love it!

[Initech]

28. This isn't 2016 or even 2000. This time we know they're going to steal it.

We know those idiots are planning something and they've got the worst House and SCOTUS in American History to back them up. If they try something, we'll be ready for them.

[et tu]

29. at least comey

isn't in play this time- that's 1 good thing~

[Klarkashton]

30. It has been a week so now it's time for something new.

This week it's going to be all about the maga pushback.

This is just a big game as far as the press goes.

[barbtries]

35. that doesn't explain it.

Joe Biden's debate performance was fodder from the day it happened to the day he stepped down from the election.

[Klarkashton]

36. That's right, that was 2 weeks. My bad. JFC

[Self Esteem]

53. It was more like three weeks.

[barbtries]

34. i am so over the NYT.

did a republican take it over or something? fuck them.

[Linda ladeewolf]

58. I thought Bezos bought it?

Anyone know for sure? Ah I googled it. the Ochs-Sulzberger family owns most of it. Who are they? I’ve never heard of them.

[Joinfortmill]

38. The Gray Lady is fast fading...Best to get back to real reporting before it's too late.

[Farmer-Rick]

44. I got to wonder if the Trump campaign

Actually pays reporters and newscasters a bonus every time they have a good story about pedo Trump or have a bad story about Dems. I just wonder if they get paid per story? Per overall count? A flat rate from pedo Trump campaign just to get favorably mentioned? If it's really mean to Dems or requires serious gaslighting do they get an extra special payment?

It is just so blatantly obvious that the corporate media never uses any real journalism on Trump. On Dems, oh sure, the meaner the more likely it will be amplified by Russian trolls and bots.

That's why once liberal news outlets like NYT, WaPo, MSNBC are worse than Fox, WSJ, New York Daily. Those once liberal sources had Dems believing the right wing propaganda ....at first. While most Dems can easily recognize right wing sources, it's the once left leaning sources that cause so much damage to Dems.

[LymphocyteLover]

46. 100%... and we're LOVING it!

[CrispyQ]

52. Their side's on the end of a 10-year campaign. Our side's at the beginning of a 3-month campaign.

Huge difference. Plus their candidate's a weird, whiny old guy with a mini-me. We've got Kamala! I'd bet money we'll win the popular vote by over 10 million.

We need to win enough swing states with court-proof margins.

YES WE KAM!

[jrthin]

54. Again, I ask, rhetorically, why do people keep reading that rag. nt

[surfered]

55. They demonized Hillary for 20 years to the point ordinary voters thought "there must be something there."

They don’t have the luxury of that much time with Kamala.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

56. The NY Times should have suffered a mass

subscription loss event last month when it came out that their big cheese, Kahn, stated that democracy is a partisan issue & his paper isn't taking sides. Every Dem should have given them a dose of "cancel culture."

https://presswatchers.org/2024/05/new-york-times-editor-joe-kahn-says-defending-democracy-is-a-partisan-act-and-he-wont-do-it/

That would have meant something to the capitalists invested in sales.

[BaronChocula]

59. If I recall 2008 correctly

the excitement generated by Barack Obama didn't fade by election day. There was no "crash after the sugar high" that the white nationalists are predicting now. And Obama was in the race at the top of the ticket for about 20 whole months. The White Dudes for Harris call was JUST LAST NIGHT! The NYT is clearly pushing an anti-Harris narrative with this one.

[quakerboy]

60. Its not 2016

And Harris is NOT Clinton.

[bluboid]

61. absolutely brilliant analysis! thank you!

[senseandsensibility]

64. You're too kind

and welcome to DU!

[Beartracks]

62. "being too confident" - Right? I've already seen "Dems Change the Race - For Now"...

... or words to that effect.

===============

[GiqueCee]

63. The Gray Lady...

... has already exposed her bloomers that are festooned with little red, white, and blue pachyderms. I no longer trust anything the NYT has to say. They have betrayed America.

I strongly suspect that Joe had a very good reason for denying Sulzberger an exclusive interview.