We need to be prepared for Trump dumping JD Vance right after the Democratic Convention and replacing him

[Pisces]

With Haley. He is steaming from all the negativity and polls going down. He will be trying to step on Kamala’s headlines with some of his own. He will be thinking it will help with his loss of the women’s vote.

I hope it doesn’t happen, but when it does the Democratic Party should be ready with ads. We cannot be caught flat footed like they were. The writing is on the wall.

[Coexist]

1. August 7th is the deadline to submit names for the Ohio ballot

So, I'm thinking he won't cut it that close

[TheKentuckian]

7. In that case, the legislature will decide to honor the patch they

passed but doesn't go into effect yet.

Fairness and hypocrisy don't exist in their world.

[Ms. Toad]

50. The SOS has publicly stated that the deadline is September 1.

The effective date of the law is either Aug 31 or September 1, so it will be in effect on the day the nominations need to be submitted. All hysteria to the contrary aside.

[Ms. Toad]

49. No, it isn't. September 1 is the deadline.

The Republican governor called the Republican legislature back into special session to ensure a deadline after the Democratic convention. They passed a law changing the deadline for this year to September 1. The Republican SOS has confirmed that the deadline is September 1.

I'm tired of all of the waves of misinformation that keep this fake news going.

[DiamondShark]

69. That won't stop the GOP from filing a lawsuit.

Best to play it safe and confirm Harris by the August 7th deadline.

[BoRaGard]

2. We know for a fact the G.O.P. felon is disloyal

Sooner or later, the republicon Felon gives everyone a swift kick in the gonads.

The republicon felon and GOP cronies have no honor.

[ecstatic]

3. I agree we should have a plan b in case either one is removed / replaced

Their entire ticket might be replaced. lol.

A good way to inoculate is to make sure people understand that the weird p25 policies are embraced by the entire gop party. Not just trumpvance.

[newdeal2]

12. Trump ain't going anywhere

This is his party now. That’s totally clear to everyone.

[ecstatic]

22. There's a chance he'll be preparing for his prison sentence

A small chance but it's there.

[yardwork]

4. That would look desperate, though.

In the case of Biden passing the torch to his VP, that was an understandable, reasonable and selfless thing to do. As some DUers have noted, it tells a story that people understand and like.

Trump dumping his VP just because nobody likes him doesn't tell a compelling story. It's just Trump hollering "you're fired" again. Hardcore MAGATs won't care but nobody else will be impressed.

And Nikki Haley as VP doesn't match Kamala Harris as the presidential nominee. It's still Trump for president.

I agree that Harris needs to be prepared because this might well happen. I just don't think it will help Trump much. Makes him look weak and undecided.

[Zoomie1986]

72. It would be fun to pay them back for the flip-flopper

Label that they used so relentlessly against John Kerry. Except we can give it some added punch with a generous topping of 'weirdo.'

Weirdo flip-flopper.

Weirdo copycat.

[radius777]

75. Also Maga would go crazy if Vance was bounced

for a 'globalist' brown woman like Haley.

Thiel, Tucker, the Project 2025 guy - all love Vance - see him as the one to carry the Maga torch.

[mucifer]

78. not if their lord god told them to accept haley. It would also help them with independents.

[Dulcinea]

82. Dolt 45 may replace Vance.

I doubt it, though. It looks like the big donors want him. I also doubt Dolt 45 picked Vance; he was chosen.

I also doubt Nikki Haley would be the replacement. She's smarter than Dolt 45 & wouldn't be content to stay in the background & shut up. Just my 2 cents.

[Jarqui]

5. Heard some reports that doing this after the convention is

not such an easy thing to do

https://www.newsweek.com/jd-vance-replaced-trump-running-mate-2024-chances-1931533#:~:text=There%20are%20no%20rules%20in,have%20to%20voluntarily%20step%20aside.

As noted by Business Insider, the Republican National Committee has a rule that allows the GOP to replace its confirmed vice-presidential nominee in the result of "death, declination, or otherwise."

This move would see the GOP reconvene its convention, or allow a smaller group of Republican National Committee members to decide on the replacement.

There are no rules in place to forcibly remove a vice-presidential candidate from the GOP ticket, meaning Vance would have to voluntarily step aside.

Trump doesn't abide by rules so I'm not sure how solid the above is when it collides with Trump.

[newdeal2]

13. Trump can force Vance out

He can make Vance’s life miserable if he sics his goons on him. See Pence.

[EndlessWire]

18. That would be great! n/t

[Jarqui]

42. It has to be awkward because Vance could go to the media

and mess things up for Trump. Not much to lose at that point as he's being humiliated in the media among Trump supporters which will cost him politically.

It is like trying to deal with a mob boss so considerable edge to Trump.
But it has risks. It could blow up. I hope it does blow up. They both deserve that.

[moonscape]

58. He'd have a lot to lose. Vance

knows who has the power and isn’t one to go out on his own. He’d be finished, or believe he would be, and that’d be enough to keep him quiet.

[Jarqui]

60. That is the concern though, isn't it?

If Trump dumps him, he's finished politically and his book sales or professional career going forward will be compromised or damaged.

So what does he have to lose that he won't already be losing?

At the very least, I'd want a big golden handshake lined with bags of money to go along with it. He's smeared in the GOP history books forever. (though many of us feel that way about him already ...)

[moonscape]

67. I see them reaching a deal

wherein JD bows out based on whatever they cook up, but agreeing Vance is a drag on the ticket. Once tfg wins, Vance would be a power player in the admin, so not finished politically.

I really don’t see Vance turning on power brokers. He has zero friends on our side, and he also surely doesn’t want to alienate Thiel et al. Those are his peeps.

[Jarqui]

77. " Once tfg wins, Vance would be a power player in the admin"

Like so many of Trump's former cabinet members punted to the curb?

Full List of Former Donald Trump Officials Refusing to Endorse Him
https://www.newsweek.com/full-list-former-donald-trump-officials-refusing-endorse-him-1882733

Why would Vance be a power player? He's never been one before.
He's a puppet of Peter Thiel who will distance himself from Vance.
Nobody of substance is going to answer his phone calls or emails.
No one on the left will have anything to do with him.
He's politically toxic. Bad mouthed Trump - likened Trump to Hitler, etc.

To be a power player in the admin, Trump has to win and Vance has to do something to earn that power - which has hasn't if they have to cast him aside.
I do not think Trump winning is a forgone conclusion either.

[moonscape]

83. Good point, re power player. I was thinking

more along the lines of a position he’d be promised in order to keep him from being a problem if tfg dumps him which I think he will. But yeah, promises mean nothing to him.

In no way do I think tfg winning is a foregone conclusion.

[obamanut2012]

79. No, only Thiel can

[hlthe2b]

47. Well, that dead bloody horse's head in the bed has been known to encourage cooperation...

Trump probably loves that scene almost as much as he does those with Hannibal Lechter.

[coprolite]

51. In trumps case I would leave a sharks head

[Buns_of_Fire]

48. "...death, declination, or otherwise."

Seems to me that "otherwise" covers a lot of ground. Not that these mortal "rules" mean much to Weird Donald, since he owns the party lock, stock, and barrel anyway.

[gab13by13]

6. She won't help him with

the misogynist vote, nor with the white supremacist vote.

[Pisces]

11. Trump is dumb. He thinks 1 woman is the same as another. And that women will switch their vote for Haley.

He also could care less what it looks like. It will be press and that is what he wants good or bad. He also could care less about the rules and he will get away with it like he always does

[Sky Jewels]

43. "I put a p***y on the ticket...

what else do you whiny broads want?!”

[Lunabell]

56. And wouldn't that make haley a "DEI" candidate?

Hypocrites as usual.

[Sky Jewels]

57. Oh, no, see, because IOBIYAAD

It's Only Bad If You Are A Dem

[Lunabell]

61. Of course!

Like melanoma being a sex worker but if a Democrat did that, she'd be a s!#t. I should know better by now.

[Zoomie1986]

73. All of the GOP are dumb

Cunning, but ultimately dumb.

They have the cunning to think, they're running a dumb broad, so we'll run one, too. Who cares if she's qualified or likeable? If they'll vote for one, they'll vote for another, amirite? It's not like anything else matters to those bird brains.

The dumb part of it is that they think we vote for a woman solely because she's a woman, and not because she's a good candidate who happens to be a woman. For us the XX is icing on the cake. For the republikaans, the XX is merely a cynical sop to silly females.

[spooky3]

30. I think he already has that vote locked down. nt

[Renew Deal]

63. It might actually make both of them look bad

[Aristus]

8. MAGAts who hate Kamala Harris because she's a woman of color aren't going to warm up to Nikki Haley.

The likelihood of Trump dying in office if he wins go up with every bucket of chicken he consumes. That puts Haley in the Oval Office. No matter how much right-wing spew she spreads around, the racist, misogynistic MAGAts aren't go to go for it.

[awesomerwb1]

15. I don't think a lot of MAGAts

know Nikki Haley's original name is Nimrata.

[spooky3]

31. Her first name is, but her original middle name is Nikki, from what I've read. nt

[Sky Jewels]

44. Right. Putin and the oligarchs want a true fascist

as veep in case that healthnut Donnie croaks.

[Irish_Dem]

9. Didn't Nikki Haley voters flip over to Kamala?

Will they return to Nikki?

[spooky3]

32. The organization that I think you're thinking of is "Haley Voters for Biden"

They flipped over to Harris when she became the nominee.

[Irish_Dem]

37. Ok Thanks.

I thought Nikki voters flipped over to the Dem side.

[spooky3]

41. Here's an article you might like. I don't know

what they'll do if she becomes the new VP candidate for Trump, but it sounds to me as if they really dislike Trump so they probably won't switch again.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/07/25/haley-voters-harris-cease-and-desist/74548097007/

[missingm]

10. Nikki would be smart to turn it down

Let Donnie flounder to a big defeat and be the frontrunner for 2028.

[Prairie Gates]

16. If Trump is beaten she will absolutely be the frontrunner in 2028

She wont want the stink of a loser campaign on her. If Trump loses *again*, even the hardcore MAGAs will get the message that they need to go with somebody less irritating. The big money donors will coalesce around Haley for sure. She'd be a fool to be the second choice VP and potential loser.

[getagrip_already]

29. Front runner of what?

The old gop is gone. It's corpse was eaten up by the maggots and its bones were charred for fertilizer.

There isnt anything for her to run in front of.

No more likely than liz cheney topping the ticket.

The new gop hates indian americans. They hate anything that smacks of an immigrant. They hate women.

Look what they are doing to shadys wife.

[yellowcanine]

40. Yeah I am not sure there is an upside for her. Trump will just blame her when he loses.

It would not help her with the Trumpers in 2028 that much and it certainly would not help her with the anti Trump wing of the GOP.

[BluenFLA]

14. One way Shady Vance would step aside

He volunteers to step down like Eagleton did and the only way that will happen if he is paid off handsomely to do so. Then there will be some public excuse about his family not handling the pressure about couches and cat ladies from the mean Left as a reason for Vance declining to run.

[rubbersole]

27. His couch could give an interview to Bob Woodward...

[ZonkerHarris]

54. a more believable story would be his wife getting racial hate from other Republicans.

[Cosmocat]

70. They would blame the "liberals" for it

nm

[honest.abe]

17. Would not be surprised. Clearly they are getting desperate.

I wonder though who would be willing to hitch their wagon to that pathetic idiot who is likely to lose spectacularly. I suspect few if any takers that might make a difference.

[Qutzupalotl]

19. "Why didn't Trump stick with Mike Pence? OH YEAH...

…He wouldn't go along with overthrowing the government when he lost.”

When Trump loses again, I'm not sure Haley will go along, either. So wouldn't Trump have to pick more of a toady?

[Gore1FL]

20. I am not sure there is a mechanism that will allow the RNC replace their VP candidate. nt

[GoreWon2000]

21. tRump hates women so he won't pick Haley

tRump only wants white anglo men in positions of power. Women are dirt under tRump's feet. It won't help him if he does because women voters will see right through it.

[lanlady]

23. I don't believe Trump will go that far

One, he'd have to admit to making a mistake - something Trump'll never do. And, it would make him look weak, fickle, and indecisive in front of the tech oligarchs and hard-core MAGAts. I think he'd rather take his chances and inject lots of chaos into vote-counting on election day to claim victory and assert his "win" by force.

[bullimiami]

24. What's to prepare for? Them looking weak and stupid and damaging their own image even more?

[onandup]

25. He'd pull Shay D aside and ask him to quit

And have a replacement name ready to roll.

But I doubt he'd admit to a mistake.

[iwillalwayswonderwhy]

26. We should start mentioning it now. Loudly.

As in, “I bet Trump replaces Vance with Haley, right after the Democratic Convention.” “A reliable source has said…”. “I heard a rumor…”

[Dennis Donovan]

28. It's not just JD bringing him down. It's Kamala's "mo". And Haley's not going to fix that! n/t

[DBoon]

33. Peter Thiel will not allow Vance to step down

Vance is owned by Thiel

[displacedvermoter]

34. Haley was just bashing the man in primary states

just a few my months ago, the video is there for all to see and turn into ads. It will seem that Trump can not even find a running mate who likes him.

[JT45242]

35. Unless Putin has a polonium cocktail or window party for Vance...he stays

It isn't about winning. It is about destabilizing the US.

Meal team six insurrection and MAGAts refusing to certify the election are all good for Putin.

TFG winning would just be icing on the cake.

[Ocelot II]

36. Dumping Vance would be an admission that he'd made a mistake.

TFG doesn't admit making mistakes; he doubles down. And even if he did unload him, it would open him up to criticism that he and his campaign don't know what they're doing. That's what happened when McGovern dumped Eagleton after the Dem primary in 1972 after learning that he had been treated for depression:

McGovern initially supported Eagleton... and stated publicly, "I am 1,000 percent for Tom Eagleton and have no intention of dropping him from the ticket." Though many people still supported Eagleton's candidacy, an increasing number of influential politicians and newspapers questioned his ability to handle the office of vice president and, potentially, president or questioned the McGovern campaign's ability to survive the distraction. The resulting negative attention ... prompted McGovern to accept ... Eagleton's offer to withdraw from the ticket. It remains the only time a major party vice presidential nominee has been forced off the ticket. Five prominent Democrats then publicly turned down McGovern's offer of the vice presidential slot: in sequence, Kennedy again, Abraham Ribicoff, Humphrey, Reubin Askew, and Muskie. .. Finally, he named United States ambassador to France Sargent Shriver... McGovern's 1,000 percent statement and subsequent reneging made him look both indecisive and an opportunist, and has since been considered one of the worst gaffes in presidential campaign history. McGovern himself would long view the Eagleton affair as having been "catastrophic" for his campaign.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_McGovern

[Raven123]

38. TFG will jump JD only if he believes his is going to lose

The plan should be to cement TFG to Project 2025 WITHOUT mentioning Vance.

[Emile]

39. That would require him to admit to a mistake.

[Duncan Grant]

45. Nah, Peter Thiel won't allow that.

Thiel has big plans — and they don’t include embarrassing *his* United States Senator.

[moonscape]

59. But he needs the Presidency. tfg winning is the prize

he needs, far more than he needs Vance.

[Demsrule86]

46. Why would we care?

[LuvLoogie]

52. It would be Noem before Haley

IF he does replace Vance.

[ZonkerHarris]

53. You let me know when Trump will publicly admit to making a mistake. I'll be waiting.

Replacing vance would be so publicly humiliating for Trump
I don't see it happening

[onenote]

55. Not going to happen

[SocialDemocrat61]

62. Wouldn't that mean

Trump having to admit he made a mistake?

[Pisces]

66. He would never admit to a mistake. He'd make Vance quit.

This guy has no rules

[underpants]

76. Exactly what I was going to say. He can't be wrong.

[TheKentuckian]

64. The good news is the odds are better than fair

that the next one will somehow be even worse, less well regarded, and more incompetent based on the track record.

[FrankBooth]

65. Sure.

But they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Haley would be an idiot to accept, but if she just can't help herself she can go down with the rest of that odious clan.

[DFW]

68. Vance is 39 and has four years left in his Senate term

If forced out, he’ll go quietly after collecting some serious IOUs, either in the form of cash or some serious political favors with an unlimited expiration date.

[Zoomie1986]

71. If he does, I suggest mocking him for being a weirdo copycat.

Harp on the theme of stale, secondhand ideas.

[struggle4progress]

74. Donny's first term was a weird spinning door of people coming and going.

We should expect the same from.a second term and quickly dumping Vance would just be an early warning of the chaos to come

[samnsara]

80. hes wanting that bump to himself...

[JohnSJ]

81. He may do a lot of things, but he won't replace him with Haley. His base hates haley even more than vance