Warnings and more warnings: THEY PLAN TO STEAL ELECTION

[polichick]

Link to tweet

WHERE is Merrick Garland?! WHAT is the administration’s plan?!

[Bev54]

1. Do you honestly think that Merrick Garland and the DOJ are going to tell you what they

are investigating and what they are going to do? Let's always blame Garland because he cannot speak to ongoing investigations.

[polichick]

4. We wouldn't be in this situation is he had indicted coup planners...

Biden should have replaced him three years ago.

[Bev54]

5. I am sorry what? What do you think Smith is doing? He has many co-conspirators attached to

his investigation and charges against Trump.

[MiHale]

11. That are going exactly nowhere...

They are so mired down with legalese it’s hard to get a handle on. The time it takes alone, negates anything happening before the election. He got away with an insurrection that failed…???

[Bev54]

19. And that is Garland's fault? I think that is SCOTUS

[MiHale]

25. Didn't point a finger...

Not just one person’s fault, it’s a collective fubar.

[Bev54]

26. Well the conversation is about Garland so one can certainly make the connection

[Rebl2]

61. Hopefully

if Harris wins she shows Garland the door.

[hadEnuf]

127. To quote a phrase,

Garland is a consigliere, but not a wartime consigliere.

[gab13by13]

16. Shortly after TSF lost the election

All across the country decent, honest public officials began being harassed, began getting death threats and then thousands of public officials, including election officials quit their jobs to avoid the threats. I asked back then what was DOJ doing? I was told that as soon as Kristen Clarke was confirmed by the Senate as the head of the civil rights division of DOJ that these threats to public officials would be addressed. Kristen Clarke was confirmed May 25, 2021. Google how many Magats have been indicted since Clarke was confirmed, it is pitiful.

I will say this, we do not have adequate laws against hate speech in this country to help law enforcement do its job, but with that said, when was the last time anyone heard Kristen Clarke's name in the news?

There, I didn't attack Garland, I attacked Clarke.

This problem didn't just happen this week, it has been going on since TSF lost the election. Magats are now in positions of power to cause havoc on election day because they replaced honest election workers who were forced to quit.

[Bev54]

66. I would hope the senate would have a hearing on this as well, they are quick to have a hearing on

the Trump shooting so perhaps bring in Clarke and Garland, they may not be able to answer many questions but then we would know they cannot ignore anything.

[rainy]

117. And the media doesn't ever correct false information that the election was stolen. The right gets to go on and on

about something that didn't happen and unfortunately way too many Americans believe the election was stolen so strongly that they will fight a civil war over it if Trump and cohorts tell them that the Democrats did it AGAIN!!!! We are in so much trouble over this BIG LIE that media are not helping debunk in real time with facts. This is on them for all that they let the Right get away with. Is it all about corporate money and power that we are getting screwed constantly with non-reporting of things that are a danger if not corrected? All we have is Rachael and a few others right now.

We are in trouble and no-one is screaming from the mountain tops!!!!!

[Trueblue Texan]

156. Rachel covered this the other night and had...

...Elizabeth Warren on to comment about it. Warren's response, at least in my view, was to gently admonish Rachel for the coverage, not because it wasn't of concern, but because it was doing more damage than Rachel intended by discouraging supporters from getting out the vote and voters from voting. I understood her to mean that our most effective role as participants in this democracy is to keep our eyes fixed on the goal and do the work to get there, and to allow the forces that have power to deal with fraud and cheating do their jobs. We don't help matters by getting upset about it. That was my take anyway.

I hope that the electors in place, no matter their party, take heed at the legal problems those that came before them are encountering and don't try to steal the election. But I also think that such a threat is why we have to kick Trump's ass so badly, he'll have to go to Russia to find it.

[Trueblue Texan]

161. Maybe this will let some of those new election officials reconsider...

...if they have any illegal intentions.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/7/30/2259347/-At-long-last-a-Stop-the-Steal-trial-begins?pm_campaign=front_page&pm_source=trending&pm_medium=web

[Oopsie Daisy]

49. Yawn! 😴💤

[Bev54]

62. Well I guess you can sleep through the discussion that is fine but not sure why you need to let everyone know

[Oopsie Daisy]

115. 🤣🤣

LOL

[Dave says]

140. Why is this funny to you?

[Oopsie Daisy]

145. Define "this" ...

If, by "this" you mean the topic of Garland-hate... I think it's a pathetic waste of time.

If, by "this" you mean the reply to my previous response... it should be self evident why it's amusing. If not, then I'm probably unable to help to make it clear for you. Sorry. You're on your own.

[Dave says]

147. If you don't get the meaning of my post then, sorry, you're on your own

[Oopsie Daisy]

148. LOL!

Good one!

[Dave says]

139. Need another can of Red Bull?

[Oopsie Daisy]

144. I doubt that could make ANY of these tired and repetitive anti-Garland hate-fests interest me.

What a waste of time.

[Dave says]

146. You know you can block a thread that you find to be "a waste of time"

That you're still here posting indicates to me that you don't find this to be a waste of time. On the contrary, you seem to gain sadistic glee at making fun of others. So interesting!

[Oopsie Daisy]

158. Or not. Often times, criticism is deserved.

Simply ignoring or hiding the Garland-hate lacks any constructive value and fails to produce any positive outcome.

[Trueblue Texan]

155. And yet, here you are Oopsie! nt

[Oopsie Daisy]

159. Indeed I am. 🤣

Simply ignoring or hiding the Garland-hate lacks any constructive value and fails to produce any positive outcome.

[uponit7771]

123. THIS !!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[CincyDem]

8. IIRC, the "do not speak" thing is a policy, not a law.

And sometimes policies are made to be broken.

Warehouse safety policy: walk, don’t run.
Warehouse on fire, lives at stake.
Recommended action: run like hell !!!!

We’re in the run like hell stage and garland needs to demonstrate he gets it. Cuz it ain’t obvious he does.

[Bev54]

9. Sure let's tell them they are being investigated and what the investigators are doing

Sound reasoning

[Emile]

13. So what's the plan here? Just let them steal it and then fight back?

[Bev54]

17. We don't know what the plan is or even if there is an investigation. We make it so loud and clear they will

have to. I would hope to hell those in the know like Marc Elias etc, have already contacted the DOJ. But yelling about Garland doing nothing is not the answer, especially when nobody even knows. Maybe contact DOJ yourselves if you think they are doing nothing but do not expect them to go public until or unless they are ready to charge. It is being brought to everyone's attention so the voters know and have plans in place, in case they try to take your vote away.

It is getting pretty tiring that people continue to blame Garland when they know nothing.

[Emile]

20. I'm glad Garland is so on top of this.

[Bev54]

23. You know nothing about what Garland is on top of, period!

[Emile]

30. No kidding, that's the problem!

[Bev54]

37. The problem is people pretending they know what is and isn't

[Emile]

47. Even though Republicans have people in place to steal the election

(we do know this), we're supposed to not say nothing because it might hurt an investigation?

[Bev54]

70. What? No, it is stop laying blame when you know nothing about what they are doing.

Maybe write some senators and ask them to have a hearing on the matter. What is not helping is whining about Garland doing nothing when you know nothing about what he is doing.

[wnylib]

84. When has any investigator with half a brain

tipped off the persons being investigated by playing their hand in public? The time for publication is when charges are made and a trial is held. Prior to that, the specific details of an investigation are kept private.

Just listening to press conferences when a crime is committed is enough for the average person to know that investigators do not tell all while investigations are in process.

Terrorists, for example, have been thwarted by secret investigations into suspected activity. The public learns about it AFTER the conspirators are arrested, not before.

[Emile]

87. So wait until they steal it and then what?

[wnylib]

94. See my #91.

[edisdead]

50. what should he do?

Arrest them before they do anything?

I would hope we stop them too, but under what crime would they be arrested as of right now?

[Emile]

52. Well his track record up to this point has not been reassuring.

[Bev54]

71. What track record would that be? Are you still harping on him not doing anything for a long time

when facts show otherwise?

[Emile]

74. What facts? TSF orchestrated an insurrection against

the government of the United States and is running for president. That is a fact!

[Bev54]

82. I and many others have posted the facts here many times, I can't help if you choose to ignore

[Emile]

83. I can't help it if you choose to ignore the obvious

that the TSF is unpunished.

[OMGWTF]

73. That's the Bush Doctrine.

[samsingh]

72. i agree with you - i don't think there is any behind the scenes secret plan to

stop the election deniers. I hope i'm wrong. This is the same as when everyone would tell me that Mueller's got this, that Mueller was going to hold trump accountable. Mueller had nothing and did nothing but a weaselly report that could be misrepresented instead of something like - 'based on the following evidence, I believe there should be criminal charges'.

[Sky Jewels]

54. Garland is worthless.

Even worse than worthless.

[wnylib]

91. Conspiracy to commit election fraud is a crime.

If these conspirators are being investigated and evidence of conspiracy is collected, I think that they could be stopped at some point. It would be enormously controversial and we know that the orange felon and his puppet masters and supporters would claim that legitimate conspiracy charges were fake and election interference. But that should not stop LE from doing their jobs.

[Bev54]

99. Yes, exactly I am hoping they are on it and can get the evidence to shut it down and charge people

before it happens. I don't know what they are or aren't doing but I am very doubtful any of them are ignoring it.

[wnylib]

106. I also doubt that they are ignoring it.

Especially not when the Dem candidate and current VP is an experienced prosecutor.

[CincyDem]

14. Well...you know what they say...

One person’s “sound reasoning ”

is another person’s “sound reasoning”.

[nealr]

86. having done this for real

I've been on the phone with the FBI about election irregularity stuff, clear back in 2012. The "not speaking" thing might not be a law, but it's iron clad. They will not provide ammo to reporters about stuff. Period.

But I do agree that a lot more should have been done. That's been the case since I started work in this area clear back in 2009 - Democrats are terrified to give the slightest impression they're breaking any rule, or even a norm of behavior. Republicans just wade in swinging. This inability to behave proactively is going to earn us a blood bath.

[Bev54]

95. The dems know to take Trump literally when he says these things, nobody was quite sure about whether it was

just bravado last time. They are already proactive by making this public for us all to be aware. Is there more that can be done, yes, call for a senate inquiry.

[GiqueCee]

111. When the proverbial substance...

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... hits the fan with a resounding splat, Garland, by his own admission, has been more concerned with how the DOJ is perceived, than he is with addressing difficult issues forthrightly. Mustn't appear partisan (clutch pearls). When doing what's right is interpreted as being "partisan," we have a problem. A BIG one.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

24. Maybe if they splash their investigation progress

all over twitter and facebook and youtube, and the rest of social media, to appease the reality TV, all drama all the time crowd, the MAGAt criminals won't notice and wait to be stopped and apprehended.

Ugh.

[Bev54]

68. Yeah, if Trump weren't so stupid and blast out his plans, we would not even know about it

So yes we sure as hell don't need DOJ talking about their investigations. What if they had told us all about their plans to arrest the drug cartel heads, I wonder if they think that would have gone down if they advertised their plans.

[LymphocyteLover]

65. Yes-- and I'm sure there are some plans in place. Not to mention from Dem officials in the swing states

[Bev54]

69. Yes, most seem to be aware of it and that is why I am so happy we have Biden and Harris right now.

[CanonRay]

107. I have no idea what Garland is or isn't planning

but if past performance is any indicator of future conduct, he ain't up for this fight. Biden needs a wartime consiglieri, one who can smell blood in the water. The response needs to be within the confines of the law and constitution, but utterly ruthless. Arrest them all and sort it out later.

[NGeorgian]

110. Georgia has said they will do this even if Trump wins there.

[Bev54]

112. What they have quietly done in Georgia is really concerning.

Kemp has stayed out of the limelight while they are making changes.

[CanonRay]

132. I have no idea what Garland is or isn't planning

But if past behavior is indicative of future conduct, he isn't up for the fight that is surely coming.

[DFW]

2. More organized, more ruthless and more prepared

And more corrupt!!

They already know that in a legitimately conducted election, they lose. Therefore, no incentive to play by the legal rules exists on their side.

Harris is known for being a tough former prosecutor. I have a hard time believing she has no idea this is coming, or that measures to combat it are not already being planned.

[notemason]

104. Exactly

there's no shortage of intelligence in our party plus she will still have Biden with (now) nearly unlimited powers to intervene if necessary.

[Bev54]

109. Agree, she and the DOJ know this.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. Heritage traitors under surveillance yet?

[Zoomie1986]

141. Do you seriously think investigators would tell us?

I mean, really, have you even once, in all of your life, seen cops announce every action they were taking to investigate a crime? DId you ever once see such a process in a newspaper? News program?

If nothing else, 60+ years of cop shows on TV should have taught us all that LEOs never tell anyone outside an investigative team what exact things they were doing to solve a case. If you ever watched Criminal Minds, did you even once see Jennifer Jarreau call up reporters to update them on how they were going to conduct their investigation of their latest BAU case? She was their communications liaison, but, sure, every single episode, she called a reporter and said, hey, we're going to do some surveillance! I'll keep you posted! Except she didn't. Most of the time, she didn't deal with the press at all. When she did, her job was always about giving the press only enough information about some very high profile cases to keep them from poking their noses where they shouldn't, so that their 'news' didn't tip off suspects. Not once did she ever tell them, 'we have these people under surveillance,' because the FBI doesn't do that in reality, either. I defy you to show any case in real life where the FBI said they were wiretapping phones, or were tracking the movements of a suspect.

Go ahead. Show a case where they tipped their hand about that before an arrest.

I'll wait.

I mean, really, even it would still make no sense to allege that LEOs are doing nothing about X, when there is no way they would ever reveal what they were doing (or not). The only way we ever know what investigative steps they've taken is after they make an arrest.

[Emile]

6. The way justice moves so slowly, it's a reason to be concerned.

[polichick]

21. Likely Trump has a few coup participants in the doj...

People similar in purpose to Cannon, Thomas and Alito.

Why are the good guys not rounding up the traitors?

[Sky Jewels]

75. Come on, Merrick Garland had other priorities!

Like rounding up Hunter Biden.

[Emile]

81. No kidding, boy he went right after Hunter Biden.

[Bev54]

105. Give your head a shake it was Barr that went after Hunter Biden and set up the

prosecutor and FBI. He did approve special prosecutor status which IS questionable but he did not go after Hunter Biden. This is what I am talking about, just throw out absolute garbage on a subject that you don't seem to have the facts on.

[Emile]

120. We know it was Barr who set it up and Garland took it to the finish line

instead of ending it.

[Bev54]

122. If he ended it, even dems would have screamed. I remember all the comments saying if he is guilty

he needs to do the time and it would definitely look like interference. It is the republican machine, including our favourite idiot house leaders, that made threats to Weiss and his family that kept it going and into indictments. Place your indignation in the right place, this is not on Garland.

[Emile]

125. LOL

I don't think any Democrats would have screamed about ending a partisan witch hunt of the Democratic President's son.

[Bev54]

129. Think again

[Emile]

133. Are you one of the Democrats who would have screamed if Garland would have ended Barr's partisan

investigation into President Biden's son?

[Bev54]

135. Absolutely not, I am one of the people that has followed this very closely for 2 years.

I noticed when everyone was saying that he should be tried and if found guilty do his time, when I knew it was all a set up. I am also someone who knows it is all bullshit and now that Biden is out of the race you will not hear another word from the republicans about Hunter Biden. I would love for Joe to pardon him and if he will not, it should be one of Harris's first tasks. I am also very realistic and know that this was not down to Garland, just as Durham's investigation was not.

[Oopsie Daisy]

160. Thank you! The Garland-hate and other irrational garbage is all over the place. Ugh!

[spanone]

7. How UnAmerican of them.

[chicoescuela]

10. They expect a blue wave and will not certify any results. Will this

leave tiny Johnson as speaker of the house that much longer
to continue mucking up the works?

[TwilightZone]

15. That's not how it works.

The term of all House members ends on the 3rd, regardless of circumstances. 20th Amendment.

https://www.senate.gov/legislative/DatesofSessionsofCongress.htm

[chicoescuela]

22. So not a full number in the House? Only those certified?

You think the Supreme Court isn’t on board to put tsf back into the WH?

[gab13by13]

28. Who takes over on the 3rd

if the election hasn't been certified?

[bluestarone]

45. I feel THIS is the best question of this thread. Now

Not too many here know this answer. ( i hope someone does, and soon) It's true that our country WILL be in uncharted territory, with at least 3 Supreme Court members ready to help TFG ANYWAY they can. (There is no doubt in my mind on this) The Cultist terrorists are willing to KILL people to take charge of our country. The GOOD honest people, (like you, i and all good AMERICANS) are relying on our SYSTEM. I'm not sure we'll succeed if THIS holds true?

[BumRushDaShow]

64. "Who takes over on the 3rd"

Each state controls its own certifications, so there will not be some "blanket" lack of election certification.

The scenario that is being presented is not taking into account that all-red and all-blue states will be "certified" and the "issue" would apparently only be something that might happen to "swing" states that have GOP infestations in terms of red state legislatures and/or SOS with a blue governor.

But even then, does everyone have amnesia about the time it took to get a SOH that finally ended up being Kevin McCarthy in January 2023?

The CLERK ran the House over the entire time until McCarthy was elected as SOH after 4 days and 15 votes, and then McCarthy could swear in the rest of the House.

Before that time, there were no "sworn-in" members of Congress until the SOH was elected and could then swear them in.

[Kid Berwyn]

12. Marc Elias is an outstanding attorney and advocate.

From Democracy Docket, the not-for-profit watchdog:

As the founder of Democracy Docket and Partner at Elias Law Group, Marc Elias is a nationally recognized authority in voting rights, redistricting and law. In 2020, Marc led the historic legal effort to protect voting rights, winning over 60 lawsuits against the GOP’s efforts to suppress the vote. As Republicans continue to mount aggressive challenges to voting, Marc continues to fight back in court and on Twitter. Fighting for democracy by his side is Marc’s Portuguese Water Dog named Bode.

https://www.democracydocket.com/author/marc_elias/

We might want to form our own “poll watchers.”

[gab13by13]

27. I watch Nicolle Wallace and one reason is that

she has Marc Elias as a guest every Wednesday and lately he has been on more often,

When Marc Elias says he needs more help from DOJ, people need to listen to him. We were told 3 1/2 years ago that when Kristen Clarke was confirmed that threats to public officials would be addressed.

WTF is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about? The horses are out of the barns, thousands of public officials have been threatened, harassed and given death threats so thousands quit rather than be threatened and many were replaced by Magats.

It's too late for DOJ to do something now. Elias said it, numerous Magat election officials across the country are going to claim election fraud and refuse to certify vote counts. That is going to happen because DOJ didn't stop the threats.

Now we need to plan what we will do when this scenario unfolds. What will we do when Magat election officials refuse to certify the vote? Will we finally see Kristen Clarke in action, or will it be left to marc Elias?

[Kid Berwyn]

31. You and I must monitor the same radar screen.

Where is the blip from the AG we need to intercept the traitor’s fleet of incoming missiles bearing down on democracy?

The hour’s getting late. I hope the AG and his team are ready for the fight. And they better mean business.

[et tu]

32. joe should be acting president

in case of rw skulduggery. and the supremes have
given a president many options to which joe just might
have to do some things he never would have thought of before
joe will not let freedom die-

unite and vote~

[solara]

63. Isn't Joe still our President?

At least until his 2024 term is over. Withdrawing from re-election race has little to do with the fact he is still President until the inauguration of the new President. Or so I thought.

Laughable Loser and Convicted felon trump somehow believes he is still president.

Talk about 'weird'

[et tu]

126. right but if there is skulduggary

he may have to stay on until crapola is sorted.
and hopefully harris will be sworn in sooner or later.
just a senario~

[PortTack]

101. Great post...your positive attitude is absolutely backed up by the best freedom fighter of the century...JRB!

[et tu]

128. ty pt!

[PortTack]

79. According to the electoral count act, each state is given an absolute deadline to produce certification

If that deadline is missed, the entire state losses all of their votes…all of them. Say said state with 10 EC votes misses the deadline, those 10 EC votes are subtracted from the total of 270 to win and becomes 260 to win.

I trust what Marc Elias says completely….we know they will try. Thank the Gods he’s on our side

[polichick]

92. Elias is on our side, but Biden's team split with him - see post 77

[PortTack]

96. Elias is just one of many attorneys...and yes he fights for all Dems everywhere

[polichick]

100. He's the one who seems to understand the enemy's intention...

I hope the split wasn’t a “shoot the messenger” situation.

[PortTack]

142. Here's a video of Bob Bauer right b4 the '20 election. He's a very smart calming force! he will be right there

?si=5eI7l6E9IKHyLJF1

[polichick]

143. Actually, he underestimated what was coming.

[tgraf66]

163. I admire Mr. Elias...

...and I trust him generally, but there's nothing in a plain reading of the text of the ECRA that supports that statement. The ECRA does specify the deadline, yes. However, like the Code of Ethics supposedly adopted by SCOTUS, there is no enforcement mechanism, nor does it outline or define any punishment for not doing so, which will likely leave it up to the courts to determine.

As support for my argument, I submit the following report from the Yale Law Journal published in November 2023, particularly under section II A:

State Implementation of the Electoral Count Reform Act and the Mitigation of Election-Subversion Risk in 2024 and Beyond

[orthoclad]

18. Waiting for his Extreme Court nomination?

[CanonRay]

29. I don't know what Garland is planning, if anything

But our own Dem party needs to have its own plan. This should be discussed at every den central committee in every county.

[CrispyQ]

33. Margins, people, we need margins!!

Big margins in swing states. That's want will beat them in the courts.

[New Breed Leader]

34. If Dems vote in big numbers, neither MAGAts nor the SCROTUS will be able to fuck with it

it's true.

[Think. Again.]

36. You're assuming those big numbers will be counted.

[llmart]

43. That's the point right there.

There are fake electors who have been charged and are being prosecuted but have any of them been convicted yet? The township over from mine has one of the fake electors who is the township clerk in charge of the elections and he's running for re-election. Why does it take so long to prosecute and convict these fake electors?

[CanonRay]

58. Our justice system failed us

We shouldn't be in this position. Again.

[uponit7771]

124. MF THIS !!! ☝🏾☝🏾☝🏾

[DENVERPOPS]

130. No kidding

Every time Trump, Republican Politicians, and indirectly Trump Voters, get away with something, it provides them with the impetus to repeat the same act over and over again......Each time, fine tuning the same thing, over and over again.

This has been the MO of Trump since he was a child. He has been getting away with his corrupt acts his ENTIRE life. Each one going unpunished in any meaningful way.........The Republican Party has learned from him, and is using the same strategy and tactics repeatedly...............

I think everyone needs to understand that they were a millimeter away from overthrowing our government on J6th, and this time they are going all out to succeed. That includes doing anything, and everything they can, to do it this time, by hook or by crook. Just as the Supreme Court corruptly, and Illegally rigged the outcome in 2000, The Radical Supremes will probably be ready to do it again.......

Trump and his CABAL HAVE ALREADY STATED NUMEROUS TIMES, that they promise violence and bloodshed if they don't "win" the election. They have made a "gaslight" statement, that it will be the fault of the Dems and left, for not rolling over to their ludicrous way of seeing things that THE DEMS AND LEFT WING, will be the cause of violence and bloodletting.....NOT THEM.....

I am not sure how they have it planned, orchestrated, organized, etc on doing things. But with the way they are talking out loud about some of their future plans after they win the election and establish a Fascist Tyranny, the Republicans aren't the least bit worried about them succeeding by any and all corrupt means to reach their objective this time around. Their Means Justifies The End Results.........

Did any of the fake electors, with their falsified fake documents end up in prison????? With no real punishment,???? Why wouldn't they try it again, but do a more complete job of the fraud? At worse, this time around, they have a group of purely corrupt, right wing, Supremes who can and will do the same exact thing that was done by the Supremes in 2000...............

I still feel that many Dems and Dem Politicians don't recognize the gravity, world wide, of what will take place if they install their Tyrannical Government..............For starters, the immediate beginnings of Project 2025 will start the first day. You can bet that Trump will withdraw all support in Ukraine, and Putin will move in and take control, using whatever weapons he wants, including poisonous weapons like he did in Syria when Trump withdrew our forces overnight. Then Trump will immediately abandon NATO, leaving Putin to start conquering European nations on day one of the Trump/Republcian Administration. He has already stated that he will order the immediate release of the un-lawfully imprisoned "Patriots" that took part in the J6th sedition...... There is no question in my mind, that Trump will invoke the "Insurrection" clause of the constitution to establish Military law in the U.S. and use the entire might of the U.S. Military to police any civilian uprisings across the entire United States........

[Emile]

53. +3

[Think. Again.]

35. K&R

We need to be prepared.

Relying on the DOJ has hurt us before.

[Think. Again.]

41. No, Biden has always made it clear...

...he would not interfere with DOJ work.

The disappointment is in the true colors of garland.

[jalan48]

38. They fixed the Courts to help Trump, why can't they fix the election? History isn't going to treat Garland kindly.

[wiggs]

39. This time they'll make sure the deniers 'find' evidence of fraud, to give the deniers reason to

stop the count.

Was surprised that they didn't plant 'evidence' last time

[ananda]

42. Every swing state should put national guard troops in polling places...

to make sure voters get to vote and to
make sure the vote gets certified.

[Ferrets are Cool]

152. I said this exact thing to wifey earlier tonight.

[Brainfodder]

44. CIVIL WAR FOR TRUMP gaslighting again?

Show the evidence of theft of the last one ASSHOLE first please!

So in 2 weeks?

FAQ



Too on the nose?

[myohmy2]

46. looks...

...like we can't have free and fair elections anymore in this county with the republican party involved...

...there ought to be a law...

...republicans...

[Fiendish Thingy]

48. Unless a particular elections worker has voiced intent to act illegally, no action can be taken

Claiming the 2020 election was stolen is a first amendment right (it should be a disqualifier to be an elections worker, but it’s not illegal).

An elections worker Proclaiming they will “only count legal votes” is also not illegal.

However, an elections worker tampering with ballots, or vote tabulators, or refusing to certify votes is almost certainly illegal, and should result in the arrest of the workers, and action by that state’s governor/SOS/AG to ensure ballots are properly counted and certified.

If a state’s national guard must be deployed to ensure free and fair elections, so be it.

[Think. Again.]

56. Of course action can be taken...

...closely monitoring and verifying all counting is a simple process.

[Fiendish Thingy]

97. Those steps should be in place regardless of who is counting the votes

As we saw in the videos monitoring the Georgia count in 2020.

Both campaigns can and will have election monitors in place.

But if a county’s election board refuses to certify results, the Governor or SOS may have to step in - that kind of obstruction can’t be eliminated before the fact, other than the workers’ understanding of the legal penalties for violating the law and their oaths.

[Think. Again.]

116. I agree,

So what is the precaution against an illegitimate refusal to certify?

What can we affirm now to assure that any false moves by election boards, SOS's, or Governors do not disrupt federal business?

Does the Federal Election Commission have any authority to demand valid cause to not certify? And are the definitions of "valid" refusal to certify clear to everyone?

[Fiendish Thingy]

119. The FEC is toothless

And I’m not sure they have jurisdiction over states’ counting and certification, only campaign financing.

It may vary from state to state, but generally, if the votes have been counted, and there is no injunction regarding the counting, then I don’t think any election worker or election board can legally refuse to certify.

I think PA in 2020 is a good example - Trump lost several court cases with false claims of fraud, so there was no injunction to halt counting or certification, yet the board in one county refused to certify after all votes had been counted, violating their oaths (well, 2 out of 3 commissioners refused). Pressure mounted, and threats of legal and criminal consequences (as well as death threats from MAGA nutjobs) increased for several days, maybe a week, until one of the republican commissioners relented and certified the results.

If we see widespread incidents of county boards refusing to certify, things may escalate to the point of Governors/SOS/AGs getting involved, arresting board members and removing authority from these boards.

If things remain unresolved, or the Trump campaign mounts strong enough challenges, it could trigger the new provisions in the Electoral Count Act where the determination of a state’s slate of electors will be made by a three judge panel rather than certified by the state’s executive branch.

[Think. Again.]

121. It's good to think all the possibilities through now...

...because we know from previous experience that rightwing election officials are willing to act illegally.

[Fiendish Thingy]

138. If Katie Hobbs, Gretchen Whitmer and Josh Shapiro don't have our backs...

Then nobody does.

Roy Cooper and Tony Evers too.

[Silver Gaia]

154. Yes. THIS.

And I firmly believe they do have our backs. These Democratic governors in swing states are our ace in the hole. The states are where this will play out, and I don't think any of these governors would hesitate to do whatever is needed. In fact, I think they are more able to act to stop this than the DOJ. And I think they WILL. I trust THEM.

[Charging Triceratops]

51. There will be another "Bush v. Gore" in 2024

... and just as in 2000, SCOTUS will illegally install a president and the corrupt MSM will order us all to "just move on."
Bet on it.

[FirstLight]

55. so basically, we're going to be like Argentina come November 6?

That is all I keep thinking as I see that unravel...

BUT...if there's a huge Blue Wave...it would be nearly impossible, wouldn't it?

[Emile]

57. Are you that assured the votes will be counted correctly?

[peppertree]

162. You're not kidding: Trump's pal Milei's not only wrecking the little that worked for them, he plans to ignore elections

He knows that his chances for re-election (in '27) are now down to next-to-nothing.

So he recently decreed an extra US$100 million for the country's "intelligence" agency (think J. Edgar Hoover - minus the skirts) - which he also deregulated.

Like Trump's pal Macri (in 2015-19), he'll basically use them to spy to everyone - and tweak results he doesn't like.

Under Macri, precinct reports had the opposition numbers "whited-out" (i.e. tampered with the PDF files) - though, outside a senate seat, he stopped short of wholesale fraud.

Milei's hinted many times that - like Trump - he will not respect the next elections unless he wins.

And as his "shock" policies sink the country ever deeper into a deep depression, ever the mid-terms in '25 will be at risk.

Cry for Argentina.

[CanonRay]

59. Does anyone think that Merrick Garland is up to facing the steal threat?

I don't. Biden needs to appoint a wartime consiglieri.

[jalan48]

103. I'll go with no, and fuck no!

[jaxexpat]

60. One can hear the message echoing from the future..............

Fox and Friendless, from just shortly after the election and up to the first week in 2025, "The very thing which Democrats denied in 2020, when the outcome suited them, are what they whine about in 2024 when several states take a novel stance on the commitment of their EC electors."

Hey, you knowers of governmental esoterica:

Is it possible that the Senate could be put in a position where they would determine the disposition of such (or similar) shenanigans? It would be a truly awkward moment if Kamala were forced to cast a tie-breaking vote which would somehow be determinate to her own presidency.

[ancianita]

67. The Elias Group might coordinate with the DOJ re certification battles, depending on the merits/evidence.

https://www.justice.gov/voting


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-launches-updated-voting-rights-and-elections-website

The Department also revised its Guidance Under Section 2 of the Voting Rights Act for redistricting and methods of electing government bodies. Another update addressed Federal Law Constraints on Post-Election “Audits.” In addition, the Department updated its Guidance Concerning Federal Statutes Affecting Methods of Voting. Along with these revisions, the Department updated information on how to request Federal Election Monitors in a jurisdiction...

You can report suspected criminal activity regarding voting to the FBI at 1-800-CALL-FBI (1-800-225-5324) or by filing an online complaint at tips.fbi.gov. You can also contact local law enforcement. You can report possible civil rights violations at www.civilrights.justice.gov/report/ or 1-800-253-3931.

It's a big country; these efforts by the Garland DOJ did not exist in the Barr DOJ.

[polichick]

77. There was a split last year, though I think the Pres. has changed his tune some...

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/31/biden-marc-elias-democrats-election-lawsuits

“President Biden's team recently split with the Democratic Party's longtime lawyer, Marc Elias, because of disagreements with Elias' legal strategies and strained personal relationships, according to several people familiar with the dispute.

Why it matters: The divorce has created a divide in the party’s legal apparatus going into the 2024 election — with Elias representing Democrats' committees for House, Senate and state legislative races, while Biden's campaign and the Democratic National Committee mostly get legal help elsewhere.

The big picture: The split between Biden's team and Elias — who had represented the DNC since 2009 — reflects a larger fight within the party on the best legal approach to expand and protect voting rules.

Elias argues Democrats should be fighting on every possible front — filing a flurry of lawsuits and exerting public pressure through the media.

Biden’s team, long guided by lawyer Bob Bauer, is concerned that while Elias' approach may be emotionally satisfying and make for good headlines, it can backfire with the current conservative makeup of the judiciary.

The president's team wants to be more selective in picking legal fights, especially going into a 2024 election that could be especially litigious.”

[PortTack]

93. Bob Bauer gave some excellent interviews going into the '20 election. If he's at the top again, we're good!

Not saying the gqp won’t try everything in the book….they will

[ancianita]

102. Bauer forgets that at least 30-40% of Elias' wins were with Trump appointed judges.

Of course, if the post Nov 5 2024 litigations are more numerous, if the idea is to take the cases that can best be won, how would those rulings even apply to cases in other state jurisdictions anyway. I don't see how they could.

So, imo, when you've got cases from the 5th or other conservative districts, and altogether from 22 states, the Biden team should err on the side of using all the legal firepower that's extended to it by the DNC's Elias Group -- in order that no case should end up on the SCOTUS's docket. 22 states can't constitutionally have their popular votes nullified by any claim of fraud, which is what maga legislators would try, even if in the past they never came up with sufficient evidence to deny certifications.

If a case landed at the SC, it would have to somehow rule for all state certifications to arrive at the Senate or House before Jan 20; if it didn't, who would be in office? The Speaker of the House? Good Lord, God forbid.

[nealr]

76. November Civil War Referrendum

We're having a civil war, that's already baked into the equation.

Go read Barbara F. Walter's How Civil Wars Start. We've got anocracy, we're factionalized to the point we don't mix, the only proven cure is doubling down on democratic participation, and the GOP is having none of that.

Maybe we preserve democracy and get religious para-states hosting an insurgency. Maybe we get some crappy theocracy and then who knows what resistance would look like, if it happens at all. But an orderly transition to an orderly Harris administration is NOT going to happen, no matter what.

Garland was supposed to restore normality to the DOJ. Perhaps he's done that, but at the price of aggressive pursuit of the people who've hollowed out our democracy. Replacing this lap dog with an attack dog will be job #1, unless he whips out Mjolnir on November 5th and starts shooting lightning bolts at the election theft maneuvers.

[OLDMDDEM]

78. If mass refusals to certify the next election, what is our plan to stop this?

[polichick]

80. That's the question. Biden's team split with Elias last year - see my post above.

[OLDMDDEM]

89. Too bad. I like Marc Elias.

[polichick]

90. Possibly a "shoot the messenger" situation? His warnings...

…require leaders to step out of their comfort zones.

[PortTack]

85. See post #79

[OLDMDDEM]

88. TY

[Brainfodder]

98. Perhaps: We democrats are announcing that if TSF is shown as winner there will be a long pause for a recount!

[Figarosmom]

108. This time

They likely judge shopped too.

[suegeo]

113. Rural county elections staff face harassment, misinformation

https://www.naco.org/news/rural-county-elections-staff-face-harassment-misinformation

The author of this article--Susan Kiepke--recently* resigned her post as Davison county auditor, due to security reasons. She has been running elections for about 17 years.

Says Ms. Kiepke

When I started administering elections, I was able to use schools for polling places. I am no longer able to do so due to security concerns.

I used to have more precincts with five poll workers at each precinct. I have cut down on precincts, polling places and now only have three poll workers at each precinct, primarily due to security concerns.

Security has become a major concern for election officials all over the country. There is so much misinformation and disinformation being generated and circulated these days that in my county of 20,000, I have asked our sheriff to be present at each commission meeting in 2024.

For the first time since running elections, I have requested security be posted at all polling places from 6 a.m. until approximately 8 p.m. or whenever the last poll worker leaves the polling place. I have also requested to have security at the courthouse where ballots are counted the evenings of the 2024 elections.

People who come into her office are not level-headed. Bullying and threatening. Security is an issue.

*Resigned around July 28 or 29, 2024. What happens now for the upcoming election?

[Sugarcoated]

131. Where is Davidson County?

[suegeo]

136. Bright red South Dakota

South-east ish part of the state. Mitchell, SD home of the Corn Palace. Eisenhower's I-90 runs right through it.

If the GOP is messing with elections in very red South Dakota, I wonder why.
Are they messing with South Dakota as a piece of a Heritage Foundation plot to overthrow the election?

Maria Butina, Russian spy, had a South Dakota boyfriend, GOP operative Paul Erickson. Leading up to the 2016 election, she was all over the state hunting pheasants and addressing the state's youth.

Mr. Erickson received a pardon from Putin's puppet.

Maria Butina fled the country for mother Russia where she later became a member Putin's shit show.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Erickson_(activist)#NRA_and_Donald_Trump's_2016_presidential_campaign

During Donald Trump's presidential campaign in 2016, Erickson attempted to develop a back-channel between the NRA and the Russian government.[1]

[MorbidButterflyTat]

114. So what does Mr. Elias suggest be done and by whom?

Anyone actually read the article? It's a ridiculous rehash of 2020, and a compilation of an "investigation" of MAGA social media posts by a one man substack called, "American Doom."

A sample of his journalistic ability and command of language can be found in the first paragraph, here:

https://www.american-doom.com/about

Seriously, get a grip.

This is the take away from the Rolling Stone article for me:

"...refusals and delays of certification have not held up in court..."

[polichick]

137. They would hold up in today's Coup Court...

That’s why the administration can’t let it get to the SC - even if Pres. Biden has to use his newfound powers to prevent that court’s participation.

[rainy]

118. And the media doesn't ever correct false information that the election was stolen.

The right gets to go on and on about something that didn't happen and unfortunately way too many Americans believe the election was stolen so strongly that they will fight a civil war over it if Trump and cohorts tell them that the Democrats did it AGAIN!!!! We are in so much trouble over this BIG LIE that media are not helping debunk in real time with facts. This is on them for all that they let the Right get away with. Is it all about corporate money and power that we are getting screwed constantly with non-reporting of things that are a danger if not corrected? All we have is Rachael and a few others right now.

We are in trouble and no-one is screaming from the mountain tops!!!!!

[Marcus IM]

134. That is why mass turnout is so important

Just as the Venezuelan people rejected the Heritage candidate and Project 2025 by turning up en mass to prevent the theft of their democracy.

If we got a Harris margin of 7 points, like the winner there, we could be OK.

BUT, unlike Venezuela where the popular vote wins, we have the undemocratic Electoral College to deal with.

Pretty amazing that the USA (American politicians) has the temerity to dictate who is and who isn't a democracy when, at best, the US has a quasi democratic system.

[Skittles]

149. NO SHIT

THAT IS A GIVEN

[Pacifist Patriot]

150. Folks need to read Lawrence Lessig's book. And check out this from RM.

&si=aZce8it3IZx9Ea1F

[Groundhawg]

151. of course they do.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

153. Hopefully this will not make a difference

Link to tweet

[polichick]

157. Thanks! As long as the Coup Court doesn't involve itself...

…we should be okay, but imo something needs to be done to prevent that.

And those bad actors should be warned that they’ll be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. (Calling Merrick Garland!)