Are we ready for the post Presidential Election MAGA chaos?

[FarPoint]

Today, I feel very positive for a Harris Presidential win and keeping the Senate and regaining the House. What I worry about is the potential chaos at several red state level for the high possibility of not certifying the votes for Harris and more fake electors.... I fear litigation will follow and lead immediately to a corrupt Supreme Court...Plus, MAGA Mike Johnson is Speaker of the House...

MAGA's and tRump I sense are up to their deviant tricks.... I have a sick feeling actually...

Are we ready / prepared for such chaos?

[Irish_Dem]

1. I believe Kamala is prepared for this.

Joe Biden was prepared and didn't let Trump's antics stop his inauguration.

Kamala is smart and knows what is in store.

She is prepared for it.

[FarPoint]

5. When I think about it....

If I can sense the danger ahead...they, the Democrats and Harris Team surely sense it too..

I guess I'm just so sick and tired of the MAGA abuse...I just know it will be a nauseating event... I am hoping the Biden Presidency can have some safeguards in place...

[Irish_Dem]

7. Of course, if we can think of it in internet land, so can the Dem leadership.

Joe Biden knew what was happening when he was elected.
And he pushed forward and was inaugurated.

Kamala is going to do the same thing.

And yes of course, the GOP will make it brutal and ugly.

The thing is, Kamala was a prosecutor.
She understands how ugly sociopaths can get.
And what tactics they use.
I am sure she has seen it all.

She cannot be naive about what is going to happen.

[FarPoint]

11. I like it when someone makes complete sense...

Thank you....

[Cosmocat]

31. It isnt her job

She's a candidate.

Candidates do not do election security.

The AGs, and other state election apparatus should be focused on this. From a partisan perspective the party should be taking the lead.

[Gaytano70]

32. I believe too.

Every step of her seriously short campaign has been flawless.
This was the plan all along, I believe.
I believe she's got this, and I believe President Biden is ready as well.

[dutch777]

2. Not sure there is much to do except fight thru it...take to the streets if necessary

U r right to raise the concern though.

[sboatcar]

3. I don't think MAGAs understand how serious insurrection and treason are

They're all sure they won't be held accountable, and some are even willing to go to war against their own americans because of this. It might get ugly, there might be bloodshed, but our country and constitution will be upheld. A tiny minority of these people are willing to die for Trump, and I am sure they will be obliged if they do anything stupid.

[Marcus IM]

12. Visit some Venezuela threads. Open support for insurrection...

... and/or advocating for military dictatorship because their Heritage Project 2025 candidate lost.

It's quite interesting to see walking both sides of the line.

[sboatcar]

14. They make a lot of noise

but 99% of them won't commit to doing anything crazy. We saw that on Jan 6th, had they all shown up armed, it would have been a bloodbath and they know it, and they would have been on the losing side.

[FarPoint]

16. I'm thinking of the chaos from the political MAGAS

the state and congressional level MAGAS who are fueled by tRump/Putin and billionaires....

They want to win at any cost...

[wnylib]

24. Isn't your description of who won and who is protesting

a bit off? It's the dictatorial party that claimed a win and the supporters of democracy who are protesting. Multiple nations around the world are not officially recognizing Maduro's claim to have won and are calling for proof in voter printouts before they will recognize him as the winner.

Your post describes the reverse.

[Marcus IM]

28. So, the duly elected gov't is the dictatorial party?

Eerily similar commentary from certain groups in the USA who wear silly red hats, who talk about the "Biden dictatorship".

If one were to listen to maga/Heritage promoters one would hear the same things they are saying about the "Maduro dictatorship".

My posts describe support for constitutional democracy - and abhorrence of Heritage backed insurrectionists who claim election fraud w/o proof.

One would think that is a clear objective here.

Venezuelans rejected Heritage's Project 2025 that would impact all of the Americas.
It's part of a trend here and Europe elections too. Rejection of Heritage plans.

[wnylib]

38. According to news sources, Maduro's election win is questionable

and his tactics with protesters are brutal.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/31/americas/maduro-revolution-venezuela-intl-latam/index.html

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/government-opposition-both-claim-venezuela-election-win-official-results-2024-07-29/

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cxx28wex0w6o

[NCDem47]

4. I do think...

Trump will claim to be winner first and just take the title, regardless of anything. It’s all perception to those a-holes. If it’s close and not official, he’ll just say “I won” and then stand in front of a “President Elect Trump” that night forcing Kamala’s team to play defense the entire time. Bully his way in.

Kamala should be prepared to do the same.

[FarPoint]

6. Yes he will do this....

He is doing it now....

January 6th 2025 will be a day I will take off work...

[Irish_Dem]

8. Trump can claim whatever he wants.

Kamala will arrange for her inauguration and take the oath.
Just like Biden did.

[NCDem47]

9. But he'll take it further this time....on election night. Stir the cult from the minute polls close.

He won’t seek permission or approval. No waiting for things to work through the system. It could be next level sociopath. Fake it until you make it. Yes, total denial if it’s shown Kamala is clear winner. I think it will be close and he’s ready to exploit that.

[Irish_Dem]

18. What can Trump do?

He claimed he won the election last time.
Was pressuring Biden to delay the inauguration until the courts decided.

Biden said F that, had the inauguration and took the oath.

There was even talk the Biden should take the oath behind closed doors in secret to make sure
it happened.

Joe also said F that, and held a traditional out in the open public inauguration.

I do not believe Trump has the power to stop Kamala's inauguration.
Except use bullying and intimidation tactics, which she will ignore.

If Kamala is the obvious clear winner, I doubt the SC will rule for Trump.
The SC is already on very thin ice.
If they rule against the obvious presidential winner, they are done for.
And they know it.

[wnylib]

34. MAGA election officials in swing states have already decided

to refuse to certify the votes in their local precincts, making it impossible for their states to certify a Harris win at the state level.

The goal is to prevent national official certification from all 50 states prior to January 20. If there is no certified winner by the December deadline, the decision will be thrown to the House for a vote. If there still is no certification of a winner by the inauguration date, the Speaker becomes president.

The role of the SC in those cases could be to delay decisions on the refusal to certify until it's too late, giving the MAGAs what they want. Even if the court rules afterward that the votes should have been certified and Harris should have been the winner, once the MAGAs have control of the WH, they will not relinquish it without a fight.

A speaker for the Heritage Foundation has already stated that 2025 will be a bloodless revolution year, but ONLY if the left allows it. If there is resistance to the revolution, it will not be bloodless.

[TommyT139]

35. I wish this were being shouted everywhere

Some very savvy people have been trying to raise this alarm. Rachel gave it a big boost on Monday. Often the part about Mike Johnson becoming president gets left out, but that would be an effective headline.

And Mike Johnson would definitely order troops into the streets.

[wnylib]

39. I watched Maddow's program that raised the alarm on this.

[FarPoint]

43. This is exactly what I am anxious and worried about...

It's an obvious assault on Democracy....

I am clueless as to how we can secure an honest vote anymore....

[wnylib]

44. One hope that I have is that the MAGA plan is clearly

a conspiracy to commit election fraud, which is a crime. I'm sure that legal teams and govt agencies are monitoring this. I hope that they are collecting evidence to charge and remove the conspirators, preferably BEFORE they can refuse to certify the votes. Bringing conspiracy charges does not require waiting until the conspiracy is carried out since conspiring is itself a crime. .

The problem then would become court rulings on the appeals that conspirators would bring.

[FarPoint]

45. I will need to keep reminding myself of this fact/ scenario...

I have said before ...If I can sense the danger, the the Democratic Leaders are on it too....fingers crossed...

[FarPoint]

13. Can Speaker MAGA Mike Johnson, can he put the fake electors in play?

He is the wild card that I feel most uncomfortable with for Jan 6th....

[Irish_Dem]

19. Can Mike Johnson stop Kamala's inauguration?

NO, he cannot.

[Think. Again.]

17. I guess you're counting on...

...mike pence to show up and save the day again?

[Irish_Dem]

20. I don't see how anyone can stop Kamala from taking the oath if she wins.

[Think. Again.]

22. I guess underestimating how ruthless rightwingers are...

...is one strategy to protect our Democracy.

[Irish_Dem]

25. I am probably the most cynical person on this forum.

But the facts are the facts.

No one was able to stop Biden from taking the oath.
The military made it clear they backed the winner of the election.
They supported the constitution, not one man.

The SC is on its last legs, it cannot support the loser of the election and survive.

I am someone who has been warning for some time how ugly and brutal this election will be.
And that Trump and Biden are desperate and will burn it all down to win.

But if Kamala is the clear winner, and she doesn't not buy into their psychological threats,
she will just take the oath like Biden did and it is over.

PS.
Ad Hominem attacks are a sign of a weak argument.
Better to stick to facts and logic.

[Think. Again.]

27. We all know that pence could have...

...brought the coup to a successful end.

I think it's very, very foolish to pretend everything is just fine.

[Whiskeytide]

46. I'm generally in agreement with ...

… your take on this. But you said:

“The SC is on its last legs, it cannot support the loser of the election and survive.”

I don’t think I agree with this. There really is very little that can be done to hold the Supreme Court accountable under existing law. And changing the law is not likely - at least not before this election.

The republican machine is just as determined to steal this election as we are to stop them. And the agents cooking up this plan are not idiots. They learned a lot about where the weak links were in 2020, and they have worked very hard to fix those obstacles over the last 4 years.

Harris and her campaign are smart. They will have a plan for this. But that doesn’t automatically mean their plan will easily defeat the magat plan. If this election gets thrown to the SC, I’m confident they will twist the law however they need to in order to install a president who will protect them from consequences.

This is worth worrying about, and shouldn’t be dismissed. And it’s worth bringing it up. These cockroaches hate the light.

[Kaleva]

10. Nothings stopping you from preparing for such an event

If you don't think it'll be a big deal, then most likely you won't make any preparations.

[Think. Again.]

15. Icm glad there's so much discussion about this...

We know from direct past experience that the rightwing are willing to break the rules to get in power, and we know that they can not win by legitimate votes.

We MUST prepare ourselves for any and all of the possible ways, and then some, that they will be trying to mess with the election process.

[Solomon]

21. Are you forgetting that Biden now has immunity power? Lock their asses up if they try something stupid.

[Think. Again.]

23. under the new supreme court ruling...

It would be a safer bet for Biden to just eliminate them, any way that's most convenient, as long as it's illegal, so we can be sure the supreme court will allow it.

[gab13by13]

26. Garland is all over this,

Remember, DOJ doesn't leak.

[Think. Again.]

29. ....

[brush]

30. Election night will be a long one, probably into a second or third day of vote counting...

and verification (closet republican Kornaki will be crying at his big board), with rethugs freaking out that it's being stolen. But they'll calm down once they realized that the orange turd really lost.

What a relief that will be that we won't have a repeat of chaos and "American carnage" bullshit.

They talk a good game but there won't be any second American revolution/Civil War that that Heirtage Foundation asshole predicted.

[VMA131Marine]

33. If red states don't certify their votes ...

won’t that subtract electoral votes from Trump? Or are you specifically talking about Georgia and Arizona, which Harris could certainly win? I guess you might include North Carolina too but that’s a longer shot than GA or AZ I think.

[duncang]

36. On the court side

I know there’s a lot of really good legal fire power who support VP Harris. I’m sure they will be stepping up and helping.

As to idiots in the street I’m sure they will do stupid stuff and get arrested again.

Faux news and other rw companies I hope they learned from the last time. But since they are already floating the stolen election stuff they may not.

[liberalmuse]

37. Email swing states GOP election commissions

Let them know we’re aware of their schemes. The spotlight needs to shine bright on their plans for chaos and malfeasance.

[DFW]

40. Knowing it's coming and being ready are two different things

Just ask a prisoner on death row the day before their execution.

After 2000, 2004, 2016 and 2020, we all know that evil things WILL be undertaken. They will be numerous, widespread, seemingly unrelated, but in reality closely and highly coordinated.

I don’t see how the government can have or devote the resources to combat all of them, but I would start taking anti-democracy movements seriously starting yesterday. Treat them as seriously as an infiltrated hostile foreign attack, no less seriously than if the Red Army had just laid siege to Washington, because that is indeed how serious the threat to our system of government is. It doesn’t take much. Just ask yourself if the names Neil Gorsuch, Brett Kavanaugh, and Amy Coney-Barrett ring a bell. They would have nominated (and confirmed 51-49) Roland Freisler if he had been available.

[Johnny2X2X]

41. I know I have a year's supply of popcorn

I have more faith in the Democratic Party being completely prepared for anything than I have ever been.

[Brainfodder]

42. If the President is allowed to do what she wants to opposition?

MUHAHAHA!