UAW President has "troubling stance" with Shapiro and Kelly

[DemocratInPa]

Thoughts?

Link to tweet

[LuvLoogie]

1. I want Pete.

[a kennedy]

8. Pete needs to be out doing what he does, not a VP, and gawd love our vp's

But he is to dynamic a spokesman on EVERYTHING for him to be only a VP. JMHO.

[NYC Liberal]

12. Honestly, that's perfect for a VP.

Any other role would be very focused in its responsibilities.

But VP is a very flexible role. There’s no one specific area they have to focus on. They can support wherever it’s needed. No such thing as “out of scope.” The role is what the president and the vice president make of it.

[Cha]

21. VPs don't set

Policy and he should know that.

Besides I’ve seen a Video where he is applauding Public education.

[LuvLoogie]

38. I get what you're saying.

I just feel like we have to hold the line in the states, until we have this election under our belt with effective numbers in congress and state legislatures that can advance policy.

We have good governors and senators in place. I see Pete as our best DH, and now, this slot at this time, is where we put him at the plate.

[DemocratInPa]

2. I want Andy...

A guy that loved in a deep Red State can''t be ignored..

[TheKentuckian]

30. Love him but he is the second least talented option.

He might make the best governing partner and they seem fairly close but the first thing you have to do is win before any of that matters.

I do think he is probably our best permission structure guy though so if it seems like that is critical then B talent is enough.

I am warming to Buttigieg some just on the "don't over think it, talent wins" principle but his his proof of concept factor really sucks the most by far, no state wide office, no specific constituency, and no legislative experience but he is the Death Star against a stick of butter in interviews, a fucking Rhodes Scholar, multi lingual, a veteran, and young.

Shapiro is probably the second best talent but Walz is sneaky dope too though doesn't really bring anything to the table but is another great governing partner and I'd estimate most ready to be President.

Shapiro is the best blend of pure talent, can help secure electoral votes, and ready for the job to my reckoning.

Amazingly the astronaut is my least favorite.
I really, really don't like messing with that seat, find him just "fine" as a political talent, and Arizona too "Mavericky" to be confident he makes any difference in securing the EV's.

He shouldn't be advanced to potential future President level at least at this time, he needs to be way better of a speaker considering his underwater central casting factor to win nationally, no earned media, no "movement" factor, no barns burnt.

[scipan]

3. Love him and good points but winning is all important.

It doesn't seem like it would keep members from voting for Kamala.

[Deek1935]

4. There is no perfect candidate. One isn't good enough on this, or that, or bla bla fucking bla. Enough already.

NO candidate is going to be PERFECT. So these people just need to get over it.

"One is gay so he's out." "One is Jewish so he's out." "One isn't good enough on education so he's out."
"Another isn't good enough on labor issues so he's out." "One looks too old so he's out." "One doesn't help win his own state, so he's out."

Bla Bla Bla...

These people just need to stop the pants-shitting over every fucking thing and support the choice. They are ALL GOOD. These people need to stop the idiotic crap of making the perfect the enemy of the good.

They are certainly all a lot fucking better than JD WEIRDO FUCKNUT VANCE!

[3catwoman3]

7. "Democrats fall in love. Republicans fall in line."

We need to fall in line this time. No staying home. No write ins. No 3rd party.

[moonscape]

17. I'm in love with Walz. If it's

not him, then I’ll fall in line

[yorkster]

23. Me too. Funny, smart and effective.

[Emile]

25. Walz had Biden's back to the end. He would be a great

VP for Kamala and she wouldn't have to worry if has her back.

[Deek1935]

39. Yup! People constantly wanting to make the perfect the enemy of the good. It is SHIT.

[wryter2000]

5. Another one

For some reason, some DUers are intent on smearing Shapiro.

[bigtree]

6. this advocacy against a stalwart Democrat in a presidential campaign

...potential member of the ticket.

It isn't advocay in favor of the nominee. Just this drag on the ticket.

Fain is smelling his own exhaust.

[DemocratInPa]

15. Who is smearing Shapiro?

You realize he is a risk at this late stage, right?

[Cosmocat]

20. They all have some type of "risk"

People just are making more out of Shapiro's. Pete is by far the riskiest, I'm a coin flip between him and Shapiro.

But, this is the dem self sabatoging that crippled Joe and undermined Hillary, in this instance not even generated by R ratfcking, but dem activists trying to be big shots.

There are a half dozen solid choices including Josh and Pete, whoever she picks, EVERYONE has to stop nitpicking him.

[SocialDemocrat61]

10. The UAW President is a DUer?

What’s his screen name?

[Celerity]

18. On the other hand, some DUers are intent on slating other DUers who prefer other candidates over Shapiro,

including bad faith attempts to frame them as quite possibly having antisemitic motivations (including doing that to practicing Jewish DUers, DUers of partial Jewish descent, and/or extending it to DUers who would like to see Pritzker, another Jewish VP potential pick, chosen).

We even have a handful who are implying the same antisemitic motivations to posters who take issue with Mark Kelly (posters who have concerns over Kelly's labour/union issues causing a schism, with one major union head already stating Kelly is a non-starter for VP due to said labour/union issues) simply because Kelly has a Jewish wife and therefore any concerns over Kelly are thus implied to be antisemitic in nature.

So there are those things going on as well.

[Mountainguy]

28. Had a thread that literally said Shapiro was too Jewish for the VP spot

But let's not call it antisemitic.

[Celerity]

31. That OP was shameful but also very much atypical. Far more prevalent have been the things I addressed above. nt

[lapucelle]

34. Was it about the NYT's story "Pro-Palestinian Groups Seek to Thwart Josh Shapiro's Chances for Harris's V.P."?

Pro-Palestinian Groups Seek to Thwart Josh Shapiro’s Chances for Harris’s V.P.

Gov. Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania, an observant Jew, is seen as bringing plenty of upsides to the Democratic ticket. But some worry about setting off opposition to the Democratic ticket from pro-Palestinian demonstrators.

As [Josh Shapiro] enthusiastically shouted out his support for Vice President Kamala Harris’s presidential campaign, the pro-Palestinian demonstrators who had dogged Democratic politicians last spring were nowhere in evidence. There was only the adoration of an audience from his native Montgomery County, which the Democratic ticket must carry by sizable margins in November to win Pennsylvania.

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Efforts by a motley collection of left-wing and pro-Palestinian activists to derail his nomination have presented the Harris campaign with a decision as the vice president prepares to make one of most significant choices of her career: Should she take the opportunity to stand up to her far-left flank in an appeal to the center of the party and to independents, or should she shy away from inflaming an issue that has divided and bedeviled the party — Israel’s war in Gaza?

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Opponents of the governor have posted a website, No Genocide Josh; promoted an online petition; circulated anti-Shapiro articles on social media; drummed up a Signal channel; and issued internet provocations to whip up opposition from activists who had been focused on chasing Mr. Biden from the race.

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[...]To the pro-Palestinian movement, there are plenty of other candidates for the ticket. Mr. Shapiro might help win Pennsylvania, but Rabiul Chowdhury, an executive board member of the Council on American-Islamic Relations in Philadelphia and a co-chairman of the Abandon Biden organization, driven by the Palestinian cause, said in an interview that he would hurt Ms. Harris’s chances in Michigan, where a large Muslim and Arab American population had already turned on Mr. Biden.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/01/us/politics/shapiro-vp-israel.html

[Mountainguy]

36. No.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219254525

[BlueTsunami2018]

9. The Philly Building Trades are full square behind Josh.

We love the guy, he’s been nothing but a great friend to union labor in this city and in Pittsburgh.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/26/philly-unions-democrats-shapiro-00171491

[Cha]

22. Oh very cool Good

To Know.. TY!

[debm55]

27. Agree.

[Kingofalldems]

11. Ahh---Bad things about Democrats.

[onandup]

13. He ain't wrong

But misgivings will blow over, imo.

[Stinky The Clown]

14. That really smells to me like rat shit

[yardwork]

37. And coming from somebody who spoke at the RNC.

I see some attempts to push Kamala around and I don't think they will work. Yes, it's a must-win election but I think Kamala is smart and knows that she can't give into bullying from any voting bloc. Listening and building consensus is good, but giving into coercion is not. I think some people are going find out that she's tough as nails.

[DFab420]

41. The UAW president did not speak at the RNC??

That was the teamsters union.

[yardwork]

43. My mistake. I should have checked.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

42. Shawn Fain did not speak at the RNC.

[yardwork]

44. My mistake. My point stands.

[iemanja]

16. VP has nothing to do with vouchers

In my opinion, that’s not a legitimate issue.

[Celerity]

19. Fain wants Beshear or Waltz it sounds like

[Emile]

24. Walz is a strong union man who will bring in more union endorsements.

[TheRealNorth]

26. Pete, Walz, Beshear are all good with me.

[JI7]

29. In terms of policy position only the Presidential candidate's matter

[ImNotGod]

32. I trust whomever Kamala picks regardless of concerns from others but nobody's perfect so don't expect the VP choice

to be perfect.

[DemocratInPa]

40. Nobody is perfect, but...

This late in the race, they better be damn close to perfect.. We can't afford to turn any voters off IMO.

[lapucelle]

33. My thoughts? I'm always suspicious of agenda-driven screen shots of decontextualized partial quotes

on twitter with no link to an actual interview.

I wonder why the oppo tweet didn't include this screenshot of a decontextualized partial quote from the same interview:

[suegeo]

35. Kelly didn't support it early enough. What?

I don't get why this is a troubling issue regarding Kelly...



Not supporting teachers and sending money to private schools, No bueno.

[Omaha Steve]

45. Kick

[Sky Jewels]

46. All the more reason for Harris to pick Walz!

He’s the choice to further unite the party.