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In It to Win It

(12,205 posts)
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 12:59 PM Aug 2024

This is the person they said was in cognitive decline

Acyn
@Acyn
Reporter: The Pennsylvania teacher is still sitting in a Russian prison..

Biden: We’re not giving up on that

Reporter: What more can you do?

Biden: You want me to tell you ahead of time so he doesn’t get out?





Acyn
@Acyn
Reporter: Trump said he could have gotten the hostages out without giving anything in exchange. What do you say to that?

Biden: Why didn't he do it when he was president?

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This is the person they said was in cognitive decline (Original Post) In It to Win It Aug 2024 OP
Admittedly I don't know much about Fogel and why he was not included in the swap Bev54 Aug 2024 #1
I think he was charged with a drug violation COL Mustard Aug 2024 #5
Yes I started looking into it and he was charged with smuggling in medical marijuana Bev54 Aug 2024 #7
He has chronic pain which he treats with medical marijuana. I was legal in PA. No so in Russia. appleannie1 Aug 2024 #17
He was stupid to bring it with him. It wasn't his first time there by far so he knew better too. ZonkerHarris Aug 2024 #18
that's harsh ZH...it's also true democratsruletheday Aug 2024 #24
I'm a big pothead. My home here in CA is wonderful but there are places in this world, heck, in this country, you don't ZonkerHarris Aug 2024 #25
I'm surrounded on 3 sides by rec legal states. The small towns here on the state lines are making a fortune Cheezoholic Aug 2024 #31
I just love his comebacks to stupid questions! Diamond_Dog Aug 2024 #2
Nothing senile samplegirl Aug 2024 #4
right on! nt et tu Aug 2024 #9
I'd like to think they are giving him a softball spooky3 Aug 2024 #10
Beautiful. dalton99a Aug 2024 #3
These reporters suck, and people have long memories Joinfortmill Aug 2024 #6
If only that were true..... AZ8theist Aug 2024 #15
Only because that's what they hear on Faux Noise FakeNoose Aug 2024 #19
Exactly right....they want agreement and louslobbs Aug 2024 #28
They are wrong Tweedy Aug 2024 #32
I try to imagine the feeling HuskyOffset Aug 2024 #8
And Biden took the time to go thank them. LisaM Aug 2024 #11
Trump probably thinks they're all "losers and suckers"................ AZ8theist Aug 2024 #16
No. Tweedy Aug 2024 #33
Why did you only do what was possible? maxsolomon Aug 2024 #12
Go Dark Brandon, go! New Day Yesterday Aug 2024 #13
I know and I hate it. cilla4progress Aug 2024 #14
The truth is, I think he's probably relieved. It's a huge weight off his back FakeNoose Aug 2024 #21
I bet there's a part of him that does, too. cilla4progress Aug 2024 #23
Reporter's query; I know you cured cancer "but what about" the common cold?". Always a "but what about" when justhanginon Aug 2024 #20
It's never enough for those clowns! oasis Aug 2024 #22
I ♥️ no fucks left to give Biden. nt Island Blue Aug 2024 #26
There is still a prisoner over there? Here is DonOld's big chance to be a big shot. keithbvadu2 Aug 2024 #27
Never forget that oligarchs forced him to quit the race wackadoo wabbit Aug 2024 #29
a lot they know.. TY! Cha Aug 2024 #30

Bev54

(13,127 posts)
1. Admittedly I don't know much about Fogel and why he was not included in the swap
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 01:07 PM
Aug 2024

But my understanding is that the state department has not considered him illegally detained. Michael McFaul also made a side comment about that as well and he is a close friend of Fogel and he was not surprised he was not included in the swap. The media is now interviewing his sister and when asked about him not determined as illegally detained she did not directly answer that as well. There seems to be more to this, was he possibly a spy? He was a teacher for diplomats children for years in Russia, was there more to it? Doesn't mean they don't want to get him home but just that it is harder and the innocent are brought home first?

COL Mustard

(7,910 posts)
5. I think he was charged with a drug violation
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 02:05 PM
Aug 2024

It’s a different situation from the others.

Bev54

(13,127 posts)
7. Yes I started looking into it and he was charged with smuggling in medical marijuana
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 02:12 PM
Aug 2024

And that is a legitimate crime in Russia, so I see why now they do not call it an illegal detainment. He did break the law, although I do think the US government is still trying to get him out.

appleannie1

(5,402 posts)
17. He has chronic pain which he treats with medical marijuana. I was legal in PA. No so in Russia.
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:31 PM
Aug 2024
 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
18. He was stupid to bring it with him. It wasn't his first time there by far so he knew better too.
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:35 PM
Aug 2024

democratsruletheday

(1,807 posts)
24. that's harsh ZH...it's also true
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:59 PM
Aug 2024

know the law and don't break it...especially when traveling to a shit hole country like Russia

 

ZonkerHarris

(25,577 posts)
25. I'm a big pothead. My home here in CA is wonderful but there are places in this world, heck, in this country, you don't
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 04:08 PM
Aug 2024

bring it.
In this regard Texas and Russia are the same.

Cheezoholic

(3,478 posts)
31. I'm surrounded on 3 sides by rec legal states. The small towns here on the state lines are making a fortune
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 09:42 AM
Aug 2024

arresting people coming home with it. It's revolting. They pull everybody over. The State Police even have roving checkpoints that travel along the state lines. It won't be legal here unfortunately until the Fed makes it legal. We send guns into Chicago and they send us pot. It's like a twisted Lewis Carroll border story.

spooky3

(38,197 posts)
10. I'd like to think they are giving him a softball
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:02 PM
Aug 2024

So he can zing it, but I’m not confident that that’s true. 😀

Joinfortmill

(19,805 posts)
6. These reporters suck, and people have long memories
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 02:06 PM
Aug 2024

I'm already turning to alternate news sources like the Talking Feds with Harry Litman.

AZ8theist

(7,036 posts)
15. If only that were true.....
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:29 PM
Aug 2024

...some in this country ACTUALLY THINK the economy was better under Dotard.

louslobbs

(3,416 posts)
28. Exactly right....they want agreement and
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 04:30 PM
Aug 2024

the sources they utilize to inform their views, are primarily sources that provide agreement. The more agreement they receive, the more “right” they feel. What used to be the republican party, I believe, has sold itself to the trump cult. And these powerful “politicians,” help to feed the cult a steady stream of agreement that bolsters their belief that they are right.

Tweedy

(1,284 posts)
32. They are wrong
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:25 AM
Aug 2024

This is the best economy most of us have ever seen

Moreover, the thriving economy is the result of governmental policies which is also a first for most of us.

Thank you President Biden!
Thank you also to Senator Harry Reid and Democratic senators — if he had not tanked the filibuster for executive branch employees in President Obama’s second term I don’t see how we get this done.

We actually have a working NLRB, FTC and FCC. We have real antitrust enforcement. That we have not had in decades.

HuskyOffset

(924 posts)
8. I try to imagine the feeling
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 02:17 PM
Aug 2024

that the crew members of the airplane that's bringing these people home, at long last, have. I think that would have to be just about the single proudest day in my life, being part of that, even if it's just on the periphery. The sheer satisfaction that the people who actually took part in the negotiations must have when they're able to free these people...

maxsolomon

(38,064 posts)
12. Why did you only do what was possible?
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:21 PM
Aug 2024

Why did you not hold out for the impossible?

I remember people saying they weren't trying to get Griner out because she was black. Then they got her out, and I don't remember the apology.

13. Go Dark Brandon, go!
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:27 PM
Aug 2024

I proudly predict That this is just one of many delightful, meaningful, and satisfying surprises Dark Brandon has in store for us up until January 20, 2025. From my keyboard to God's ear.

Go, Dark Brandon, go!

cilla4progress

(26,485 posts)
14. I know and I hate it.
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:29 PM
Aug 2024

I LOVE Kamala and enthusiastically will work and vote for her.

I still think what happened to Joe was unfair and ageist. But I think it was matter of facing the reality that the PUBIC (yes, misspelling on purpose) didn't see it my way.

Anywho...I'm sure Joe along with the rest of us, is thrilled to the teeth with how this is going. Plus, he can focus on actual statesmanship, not politicking. May be the best of both worlds?

FakeNoose

(39,856 posts)
21. The truth is, I think he's probably relieved. It's a huge weight off his back
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:44 PM
Aug 2024

He's still got almost 6 months and he can accomplished a LOT in that time.

Thank you Joe Biden for putting our country first!

cilla4progress

(26,485 posts)
23. I bet there's a part of him that does, too.
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:59 PM
Aug 2024

And gets to spend the next 4 resting on his laurels.. instead of tangling with the likes of the sick fuck and his MAGAT army. And leaving us in great hands !!

Remember when Obama ended his 2nd term, handing us over...

UGH SORRY to bring up horrible memories! PTSD for real!!

justhanginon

(3,377 posts)
20. Reporter's query; I know you cured cancer "but what about" the common cold?". Always a "but what about" when
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 03:43 PM
Aug 2024

it is a democratic politician. Hate hate these bastard reporters.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
27. There is still a prisoner over there? Here is DonOld's big chance to be a big shot.
Fri Aug 2, 2024, 04:14 PM
Aug 2024

Beg your master Vlad and get the prisoner out.

wackadoo wabbit

(1,272 posts)
29. Never forget that oligarchs forced him to quit the race
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:17 AM
Aug 2024

My vote was taken away from me by oligarchs! I will never forget this!

While I'll, of course, vote for Harris, I wish that Biden had gotten the second term that he deserved.

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