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[elleng]

1. Thanks.

Reminds me of a line in The West Wing.

[Skittles]

2. worse than the "we're not ready for Pete Buttigieg" nonsense

yup

[unblock]

3. Yeah, if people can vote for a black/indian woman, I think they'll be fine with any vp

[barbtries]

46. I know i am.

people just love to prognosticate. I'll be fine with whoever she chooses.

[Blaukraut]

4. Thank you

The only thing that might turn me off to Shapiro is the sexual harassment settlement, school vouchers, or corporate tax cuts. The I/P issue is not on my radar. That said, he is still on top of my list, tied with Walz.

[Think. Again.]

6. That was clever.

[cyclonefence]

8. Me too

His support for charter schools bites, too. I want Buttigieg. I hope I spelled that right. I'd probably been a better speller if I'd gone to a charter school.

[CTyankee]

21. Sexual haarassment? OMG, that's horrible if true!

I didn't hear that. Why would Harris even consider him if that was the case with him?

[Blaukraut]

26. Not Shapiro himself

An aide of the governor staff was sued for sexual harassment and the victim was given a settlement and asked to sign an NDA. The perp was fired. The knock against Shapiro is the supposed coverup, i.e. the NDA.

[CTyankee]

66. Thanks! I read this the wrong way...I am relieved...

[Cha]

36. Jeeze! Because it's not about Gov Shapiro..Okay?

[CTyankee]

80. I was duly informed that it wasn't him and I am glad I was corrected!

[Demsrule86]

82. He didn't sexually harrass anyone...it happened in PA to someone else...and no boss

can evade that sort of thing...it was settled. Shapiro does not deserve to be slimed. And if we win PA, we win the election which is why Trump doesn't think we should pick him.

[Cha]

35. "To date, Shapiro has not signed any voucher legislation into law. "

Shapiro ultimately line-item vetoed the funding amid a budget impasse between the Democratic-controlled state House and the GOP-controlled state Senate.

To date, Shapiro has not signed any voucher legislation into law.

https://www.cityandstatepa.com/politics/2024/07/shapiros-stance-school-vouchers-comes-under-focus-amid-vp-speculation/398333/

From your link.. Snip..

To date, Shapiro has not signed any voucher legislation into law.

Manuel Bonder, a spokesperson for Shapiro, highlighted the governor’s accomplishments on public education in a statement.

“In his time in office, Governor Shapiro has consistently delivered historic increases in public education funding and finally, after decades of inaction, moved Pennsylvania towards adequately and equitably funding our public schools,” Bonder said. “Despite being the only Governor in the nation with a divided legislature – and despite bad faith attacks from all sides – Josh Shapiro has been a champion for public education and delivered real results.”

In the state's most recent budget, signed into law on July 11, Shapiro championed and celebrated increases for public education funding, including a $225 million increase in basic education funding through the state’s Fair Funding Formula, bringing the state’s total basic education funding allocation to $8.1 billion. The budget also included a $100 million increase in special education funding, as well as new “adequacy” and “tax equity” allocations of $493 million and $32 million, respectively.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19277144

[Blaukraut]

45. That's good to hear

As I said: Shapiro is my favorite pick, along with Walz. The less there is for the MSM and opposition to pick apart, the better.

[Cha]

49. Thank you!.. Interesting how Gov Shapiro has

a "61% Approval" rating in Pennsylvania!

I just want the Choice to be the Best one who will Help Save Our Democracy!

[crimycarny]

48. Thank you!

Some are getting flack (including myself) for bringing up questions, but how do we fight back if we don't have information like you just posted? On DU we're all committed to electing Kamala regardless of VP, I'm not worried about that. What I'm worried about is my neighbor, co-worker, someone in the grocery line, relatives, etc.

I'm doing my best to inform myself but it can be hard to sort through the media bias. And I don't always see every post on DU.

[Cha]

52. Well Thank You.. to being open to information

that counteracts what is being spread around about Gov Shapiro at face value.

[Demsrule86]

83. I don't object to pushing your pick...hell I do it. But the attacking of Shapiro has been terrible and since all

VP candidates have the same view and the other shit posted is mostly lies...I have to believe it comes down to that he is Jewish. And that is just plain wrong. In fact , I monitor right-wing websites...checking on the enemy and they mentioned the Shapiro posts...and called us hypocrites for not wanting a Jewish person on the ticket...all sorts of people read DU and this is not a good look for us.

[Think. Again.]

5. So maybe we shouldn't keep amplifying it?

[RandySF]

9. Good point

We should just let the antisemites take control of the party and progressive movement like the French did.

[Think. Again.]

32. That's a weird conclusion.

[choie]

59. As a Jewish person

I'm very concerned about Shapiro's stance on the Israel/Palestinian situation, not the fact that he's Jewish. That's why I'm not interested in him becoming the VP nominee.

[DiamondShark]

72. Shouldn't be a problem.

He is against all violent protestors, unless you are implying something else.

[Mosby]

84. He supports two states.

You disagree with him?

[Demsrule86]

85. I think he will be the nominee because we must win PA. Pro-Palestinian protesters have cost supporters primary wins.

"Progressive Congresswoman Cori Bush of Missouri could be on course to lose her upcoming primary election amid a Democratic divide over Israel.

Different factions of Democrats have been at odds over U.S. support for Israel as the country continues its assault on Gaza more than eight months after Hamas launched its October 7 attack on Israel. Israeli authorities say that around 1,200 Israelis were killed, while over 39,200 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, according to the Gaza Health Ministry, per the Associated Press.

Representative Jamaal Bowman of New York, who has been critical of Israel's war and is a member of the group of progressive Democratic House lawmakers known as "the Squad" like Bush, lost his primary election last month to a pro-Israel candidate backed by the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC).

A poll released on Monday by The Mellman Group on behalf of Democratic Majority For Israel (DMFI), a PAC affiliated with AIPAC, suggests that Bush could be next. The poll found that the incumbent congresswoman's pro-Israel challenger Wesley Bell holds a 6-point lead in the August 6 primary, 48 percent to 42 percent."

https://www.newsweek.com/cori-bush-could-lose-primary-israel-divides-democrats-1931714



https://www.newsweek.com/cori-bush-could-lose-primary-israel-divides-democrats-1931714

[TBF]

105. And as a Jewish person I'm not concerned about his "stance" - do you know why?

Because every single candidate for VP has expressed that, bottom line, they support Israel.

What do you think is different about Gov. Shapiro's "stance" in comparison to all of the other VP candidates?

[rollin74]

7. Thank you. We shouldn't attempt to placate antisemites

let MAGA be the movement that gives in to fear and bigotry

[epreic01]

10. The bashing isn't helpful

I would gladly support him as VP. I do have my concerns. The concerns are NOT him and his abilities. I disagree with some things he’s said it done, but I can get over that. My biggest concern is the things that have come up and the fact that we don’t have any time to clean that up. I think with the time crunch in front of us we need all of our energy and focus on defeating Trump and making history with Kamala. Not trying to smooth things over with a segment of our base.

[democrattotheend]

11. I'm Jewish and a big part of me is "timid" about it

Because we live in a climate where anti-Semitism has sadly been more normalized than it used to be, and I am scared of the backlash if Shapiro is nominated.

[DFab420]

16. Jewish as well and it's been crazy to see, espically among progressive youths this summer

Really heartbreaking.

Calling us "Colonizers" because we dare to lay claim to our homeland. Like, it just feels like the education system has failed us.

[raising2moredems]

50. Yeah but I'm not sure how the Golan Heights fits in

And I do think encroachment is a bit out of hand. Kinda of like one US state saying "hey, x city in adjoining-state-y is now in our state". It does sit or sell well.

[raising2moredems]

51. And I have no problem with Shapiro

I think he's the best choice - MN and IL are blue. KY will never be blue, much less purple. AZ - less electoral votes but Kelly is a strong advocate.

[DFab420]

54. Yea I'm not necessarily thrilled with Bibi and Israels current behavior

But it seems like the antisemites never miss a trick to lump all the Jews in one group and target us all.

[Dorian Gray]

69. Philadelphia

is totally a New Jersey city.

[displacedvermoter]

110. Unfortunately, the "Settlers" on the West Bank

are helping to reinforce the notion about "Colonizers", especially with people who don't necessarily draw fine distinctions.

But, regardless I think, and noas is being widely talked about, if America is ready to embrace a black woman as President -- and I now believe she is going to win -- then I think they are ready for a Jewish Vice President, or a gay one for that matter.

[Hekate]

12. Amen, RandySF!

It is more than a little disgusting that some DUers want to play this game.

[Irish_Dem]

13. Electability of various candidates is a legit issue.

All of the candidates are great. I can support any one of them.

However, it is 100% fact that Kamala and her campaign staff are discussing the electability of
her various candidates.

If Kamala and her staff can discuss an issue, we should be permitted to discuss it here.

This is a political discussion forum.
Do we want an echo chamber or real discussion?

People shot down Whitmer, the consensus is that the US is not ready for two women on the ticket.
No one complained about that conclusion or the discussion.

But when we talk about the male candidates, it is not OK to talk about electability.

I could claim the discussion has been sexist and have a hissy fit.

But I am not going to do that because I like to hear different points of view.
Whether I agree with them or not.

[DFab420]

18. Hear hear. This is meant to be a political discussion board.

[Demsrule86]

86. I don't consider bashing Democratic leaders often using lies and innuendo political discussion.

[DFab420]

87. Well, luckily, we're all allowed to have a difference of opinion aren't we?

[crimycarny]

23. Same

As you state, this is a political discussion forum.

I like hearing concerns from other DU'ers just as I like hearing defenses of those concerns, particularly for those more familiar with the candidate than I am, perhaps living in that state.

Another reason to have these discussions is to get out on top of any criticisms. As I read about each candidate and whatever might affect their electability, I research any information I could use to fight back on their behalf (on social media and other platforms) should that person get elected.

Best to be well-educated on what opponents might try to use in order to have a game plan to fight back versus being blind-sighted. I'm sure Kamala's team is on that, but we can, and should, arm ourselves as well. Hard to do that without honest discussions.

[Demsrule86]

89. Well the pro-Palestinian movement cost Jamal Bowman his seat ...he lost the primary and

is likely to doom Cori Bush to the same fate in her upcoming primary as the GOP challenger holds a six-point lead according to recent polls. So that should be added to the discussion as well I think. This is not a one-sided issue.

[Demsrule86]

100. You saw my post about Jamal Bowman right? He lost his primary. And Cori Bush is in trouble...six points behind.

I like them both. I wish it was different. but it is what it is. The reason they lost or may lose (Cori) is their pro-Palestinian protest support. They are the only Democrats to lose primaries that I have seen because of the Palestinian issue. I don't think we have anything to worry about with Shapiro as our VP.

https://www.newsweek.com/cori-bush-could-lose-primary-israel-divides-democrats-1931714

[yardwork]

14. So agree. It's disgusting.

[chillfactor]

17. Well here is another bash...

as VP candidates go, he would be at the bottom of my list. Not because he is Jewish but because of his stance on things like school vouchers.

[PortTack]

30. Look that up...the school voucher story is not true!

[Cha]

38. Well here's an Eye Opener.. Wait for it...

Shapiro ultimately line-item vetoed the funding amid a budget impasse between the Democratic-controlled state House and the GOP-controlled state Senate.

To date, Shapiro has not signed any voucher legislation into law.

https://www.cityandstatepa.com/politics/2024/07/shapiros-stance-school-vouchers-comes-under-focus-amid-vp-speculation/398333/

From your link.. Snip..

To date, Shapiro has not signed any voucher legislation into law.

Manuel Bonder, a spokesperson for Shapiro, highlighted the governor’s accomplishments on public education in a statement.

“In his time in office, Governor Shapiro has consistently delivered historic increases in public education funding and finally, after decades of inaction, moved Pennsylvania towards adequately and equitably funding our public schools,” Bonder said. “Despite being the only Governor in the nation with a divided legislature – and despite bad faith attacks from all sides – Josh Shapiro has been a champion for public education and delivered real results.”

In the state's most recent budget, signed into law on July 11, Shapiro championed and celebrated increases for public education funding, including a $225 million increase in basic education funding through the state’s Fair Funding Formula, bringing the state’s total basic education funding allocation to $8.1 billion. The budget also included a $100 million increase in special education funding, as well as new “adequacy” and “tax equity” allocations of $493 million and $32 million, respectively.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19277144

[Demsrule86]

95. Thank you Cha!

[Cha]

96. You're Welcome, Dems.. I knew

there were Receipts!

[Demsrule86]

98. Amen sister! You rock.

[Demsrule86]

99. And rec'd.....................

[onecaliberal]

43. It's been debunked.

[Demsrule86]

90. As Cha pointed out Shapiro has signed no voucher legislation...it is a false (lie) charge.

[LexVegas]

19. The far left and far right bend and meet at antisemitism. nt

[Abolishinist]

55. This.

[crimycarny]

60. One thing I will NEVER understand about the far left

Look at the alternative! Trump!! I will never understand this idiocy. Calling Joe Biden and Josh Shapiro "Genocide Joe's"---when Trump called for an outright Muslim ban? I truly don't understand how they can be angrier at Joe Biden or Josh Shapiro when Trump has stirred up nothing but hatred for Muslims and recently said that Schumer "has become like a Palestinian".

Make it make sense.

[Demsrule86]

91. So it seems...what a damn shame.

[gab13by13]

20. Good try Randy

I didn’t vet any of the candidates, that’s not my job, I trust Kamala. I am from Pa and defend Shapiro.
He talked being pro-voucher then vetoed the bill.
The sex abuse scandal is guilt by association.

I will donate as soon as the pick is made to show my support.

[RandySF]

24. His record as Gov. and AG is legitimate.

I'm just tired of the Jew-bashing.

[Demsrule86]

93. His record is being lied about mostly. And that is not legitimate...

He criticized Netanyahu, he didn't sign any voucher law, and he was not accused of sexual harassment. It happened in the PA government and was settled.

[crimycarny]

25. Is there enough time to fight back?

Honest question. Since you are from PA then I'm assuming some of these criticisms came up previously in PA media and Shapiro has already had to address them locally. How effective was his office in addressing these concerns and thus shut up the media? Will he be able to do so when the national media tries to blow this stuff up?

I'm assuming he must have done a good job in addressing the issues locally since he remains such a popular governor. Not being from PA I haven't been able to find much information on Shapiro addressing these issues.

[gab13by13]

31. I have defended him numerous times here

He never lost a race in Pa. State Rep over a tough opponent, 2 time AG, beat Trump-endorsed Mastriano for governor. Does it sound like he is popular in Pa? He is extremely popular.

[crimycarny]

39. Geezus--cut the sarcasm. I'm simply trying to find out more information

I'm so sick of the snarky and defensive comments to honest questions.

I'm simply trying to learn more so I understand how to fight back if Shapiro is VP. What if I have co-workers or neighbors who are on the fence and they say "Well, I heard such and such about Shapiro?". Wouldn't it be better to be armed with real information or should I just say "Oh puhleeze He's popular in PA, how can you be such a dumb*ss."

Super effective, huh?

[DiamondShark]

74. Post 35

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19278545

This should be a good start in pushing back the lies about Josh Shapiro.

[DiamondShark]

78. Although,

I would not be telling my co-workers or neighbors this.

"Oh puhleeze He's popular in PA, how can you be such a dumb*ss."

[Demsrule86]

97. You don't have to fight back. He will deliver PA to us...and that is a win...Trump can't win.

The only folks who have lost primaries in this Palestinian protestor thing (sadly I like both) is Jamal Bowman who lost his primary and Cori Bush who is behind six points in her primary...their support for the Palestinian protestors has been a factor inn in both primaries.

[angrychair]

37. He vetoed the school voucher bill?

That's not what I read. I was under the impression the last budget he signed off on millions for the voucher program?

My other issue is I remember reading he compared war protestors to the KKK. If that is true we may win PA but we will absolutely lose Michigan.
If I'm wrong than I'm wrong. At the end of the day I'll support whomever the VP chooses.

[Sugarcoated]

70. I'm pretty sure

He was referring to the protesters who were harassing Jewish students

[Demsrule86]

101. People are lying...Cha posted it ...he cut the voucher bill out of the legislation...her post on this thread.

[mcar]

22. Kick

[DemonGoddess]

27. As everyone here does,

I have my own opinions on who I like best. Having said that, I will trust the Vice President to make the choice that will work best for HER and the team she plans on assembling. My own preferences aside, I'm voting for her AND who she chooses. She'll choose what is correct for all of us, and best for the team she will assemble.

[crimycarny]

44. I think everyone here trusts Kamala--but arming yourself with info is good

I'm simply trying to learn as much as I can about each candidate so I can have a good ground game. Yes, everyone on DU will support Kamala but what if you have a neighbor, friend, co-worker who is on the fence and you want to do the best you can to help move them towards Kamala? Isn't it better to be armed with information? So if someone says "Well I heard Sharpiro did xyz" isn't it better to know all you can so you can defend him.

That's why I'm paying attention to all the discussions and why I appreciate hearing from those who know a particular VP well.

[claudette]

28. I like Shapiro very much

and I wish she does pick him as her running mate. He has LOTS of good qualities that I can see - having watched his appearances on TV and read some articles on him. He alone, as a VP, and do nothing to change our policy with Israel - which I think should be money-less.

I don't know how the "big Democratic tent" cannot include a Jewish man. But, I will say, no matter WHO Kamala chooses, she has my support and so will he.

[ColinC]

29. Same. It's absolute bullshit

[Patton French]

33. Hear, Hear

It’s completely uncalled for. People should be ashamed of themselves.

[Gore1FL]

34. I haven't been on DU enough to see this first hand. I agree with the sentment, nonetheless.

There is no one on Harris' short or long list that I won't support.

[Cha]

40. So am I! A lot of Misinforaton being spread about

Gov Shapiro.

[ekemp2727]

42. I have no problem with a Jewish VP

[RJW62]

62. I agree, except.....

Picking him at this time would be a big mistake. If what was going on as far as Israel right now was not happening, I would completely agree with you. This election is WAY too important to take a risk with someone like Shapiro because of this.

[appleannie1]

47. Shapiro has been an awesome Att. Gen for Pennsylvania and one of the best governors since being in that office.

Look at his past record, the things he has done in his political career. If he is chosen, PA will lose a great governor and will be missed but the country will gain a man of morals and strength. No one should be judged because of their religion, their ethnicity or their gender. If you judge him on that, he is a better human than you are.

[RJW62]

53. You need to look at the big picture!!!

Picking Shapiro at this time with what's going on makes NO sense! He might help her pick up PA, but it will hurt her in the rest of the country(like Michigan) What was hurting Biden in this department as far as Israel will be far worse if she picks Shapiro. Picking someone with the fewest baggage issues could be the difference between winning and losing!

[AdamGG]

56. It's not timidity, it would be about the primary objective

of defeating Tangerine Idi Amin. Whichever ticket is likely to get the most votes should be chosen.

If Mark Kelly with 25 years of military experience as a combat pilot and an astronaut is thought to make the most electable ticket, then I'd want to go with him.

It's not anti-semitic to question the effect of the current conflict in Gaza on potential voters both on the left and the right. Without Shapiro on the ticket, it might be easier for Kamala to appear to be all things to all people on that issue. Netanyahu could invade Lebanon between now and November to go after Hezbollah and inflame people's opinions even more.

Then again, if Shapiro locks up Pennsylvania for the ticket and it's felt that he's the most charismatic candidate with the most upside, then they should choose him. But, it's not timid or anti-semitic to question what the potential liabilities are.

[TBF]

57. Governor Shapiro is responsible for Pennsylvania - not Israel. Unbelieveable. nt

[RJW62]

65. Really?

IF that was true, then why was it hurting Biden? I think you need to be reality based as far as the political world on this subject.

[GaYellowDawg]

67. Because

*deep breath*

President Biden directs U.S. policy. The governor of Pennsylvania does not. Therefore, dissatisfaction with U.S. policy can reasonably be expressed with a president, but not reasonably with a governor.

It's very difficult to be patient when someone who is missing this basic fact is lecturing someone else on being "reality based."

[TBF]

73. Yes, he is governor of Pennsylvania. He happens to be Jewish. He does not influence policy in Israel.

This is just fact. One of two things is happening here. Not just with you, with many members who have jumped on this wagon.

Either - (a) folks are confused about Israel, and they've decided to blame Jews in America for things Netanyahu is doing. Believe me, a lot of us are not crazy about him either and we don't have a magic wand to keep him from doing things. (b) folks are using religion as an excuse because they don't like Shapiro's centrist politics.

That's what I think is going on.

As to "reality" based thoughts on President Biden. Let me repeat that - he is our president. Lots of different things to look at - foreign policy, domestic economic policy, but overall his age was the factor that kept coming up. Governor Shapiro is not the president. He is not responsible for those policies. And the fact that he happens to be Jewish certainly doesn't make him responsible for what random world leaders are doing.

[Attilatheblond]

88. Kelly has some negatives beyond just not being dynamic

He was involved in a multi layer marketing thing, peddling Shaklee in China, taking the stage on a motorcycle with US and Chinese flags. That opens him up to some degree of legit ridicule.

Then, just this morning, I ran across this one: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/mark-kelly-s-past-surveillance-balloon-venture-presents-political-target/ar-BB1r6lVL]

Sen. Mark Kelly’s (D-Ariz.) venture into space tourism and defense contracting before he became a senator could become a political target should he join Vice President Harris on the Democratic ticket.

The company, World View Enterprises, which he co-founded in 2012, received millions in investment funding from one of China’s largest tech companies, Tencent, which is linked to the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

Kelly was hammered over the ties during his first Senate race in 2020, and those attacks have started to bubble up again as vice presidential speculation grows, with articles about his China ties in Fox News and other conservative outlets.

As an AZ DEM, believe me when I say we had a tough enough time getting him elected to the Senate. A national race will expose him to considerably more scrutiny, and frankly, I don't think he will hold up well.

No on Kelly. We need someone without the baggage he has.

[SlimJimmy]

58. For what it's worth

Michael Moore says VP Harris could lose Michigan if Shapiro is on the ticket.

[Sugarcoated]

71. I would think that Harris

would more than make up for that with the re-energized urban vote and women motivated by the loss of reproductive freedom

[Sky Jewels]

92. I'm also worried about him dampening Gen Z enthusiasm.

We desperately need them to come out in huge numbers.

[TBF]

109. Popular vote is fine, but electoral votes win elections. We need ev's - and we need moderates. nt

[Sky Jewels]

111. We need Gen Z to turn out big in the battleground/swing states for the presidential race AND

turn out big nationwide for the downballot races-- it's imperative we win back the House and keep the Senate and hopefully do well in statehouse/legislature races. We would be under Trump administration #2 right now if it weren't for Gen Z showing up. They and Black women saved our asses in the last several elections -- not the "moderates."

[TBF]

114. My daughter is Gen Z and is over the moon that we now have a candidate under 70 -

and I doubt any VP pick is going to change her mind.

[Sky Jewels]

120. I have two Gen Zers (daughter and son, mid-20s)

and they have both said they definitely hope Harris does not pick Shapiro. They like Walz the best.

[sdfernando]

61. There is no reason to bash Shapiro

I agree! If you don’t like his
politics, fine. Debate in that. Don’t bash him because of his religion! That has no place in this debate……doesn’t everyone here realize the 2nd Dude IS Jewish?

[RJW62]

64. It's not bashing him for his religion...

This is not about bashing anyone, this is about the state of politics right now as far as Israel. I don't like it either, but not looking at it from that perspective is being in denial.

[TBF]

77. Once again, Governor Shapiro is responsible for Pennsylvania, not Israel. nt

[Demsrule86]

103. Bascially, you are hinting that given the political situation, we can't have a Jewish VP nomminee.

And Shapiro has nothing to do with Israel...would it surprise you that the only casualties of this political situation thus far are Jamal Bowman who lost his primary and Cori Bush who is down by six in her primary. Both supported the Palestinian cause and both were in political trouble for it...bowman lost his seat and Bush will likely lose hers to her primary opponent.

[Sky Jewels]

94. Where are the posts "bashing" Shapiro for his Jewish religion?

I haven't seen any.

The concern is with his stance on Gaza and protesters.

[Demsrule86]

104. I have seen plenty.

[TBF]

115. What do you think his "stance" is on Gaza and protestors?

I'm sure you're aware that every single finalist in this VP sweepstakes, as it were, supports Israel.

[Sky Jewels]

118. No, it's not just that he "supports Israel."

He has gone a lot farther than the other nominees on the issue. For example, he has criticized protests against Israeli's killing of tens of thousands of Gazans (comparing peace protesters to the KKK, for example). This article outlines his actions on this issue.

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/30/picking-josh-shapiro-could-be-for-harris--heres-why/

[Dem4life1970]

63. Shapiro is a good Governor and would make a good running mate.

[Elessar Zappa]

68. I hope Harris picks him just to piss off the Jew-haters.

[Demsrule86]

106. Me too...and it would likely increase support from AIPAC...not a bad thing.

[Kaleva]

75. Many here don't think Kamala can make the best xhoice

They are critical of some of the supposed front runners and wonder why Kamala would even consider them

[onandup]

76. Who opposes Shapiro because he is Jewish? Specifics, please.

nt

[Demsrule86]

108. Look yourself...they are everywhere.

[Sky Jewels]

112. Opposition to him because of his stance on Gaza and protesters

is very different than opposition to him based on his religion. I see the former but not the latter.

[TBF]

116. OK, please explain the opposition based on his stance on Gaza and protestors.

Every single VP candidate supports Israel. How do you see Gov Shapiro's position as "different"?

[Sky Jewels]

119. This article covers it:

https://www.salon.com/2024/07/30/picking-josh-shapiro-could-be-for-harris--heres-why/

[Sewa]

113. NOBODY on this site

Just people pointing out his record on issues 🤙💀

[getagrip_already]

79. While a small risk, i would fully support him

Frankly, any of the choices carries some risk of negative attacks. Even mark kelly.

So whoever kamala picks, it will be her decision for her reasons, i will be 110 % behind the choice.

[Demsrule86]

81. Absolutely...I have no time for such folks either.

[Eliot Rosewater]

102. Shapiro? I thought you said DeNiro or Hero or Superhero or Zero even...I would be fine with any of them

because the alternative is having someone elected who did this

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I was attempting to make a joke about the name and making the point that it DOESNT FUCKING MATTER who it is,

A. Kamala would not pick someone unqualified and indecent

B. See above video

[AntiFascist]

107. Politically it's a delicate balancing act...

As a former prosecutor, Harris could take a tough stance against the corruption driving Israel's current leadership. Shapiro could then act as a representative counter-balance, solidifying both Harris' and Shapiro's commitment to the defense of Israel. Shapiro would also draw much needed support from swing-state Pennsylvania. The danger lies in alienating younger voters who tend to skew progressive, and would otherwise show up to vote for Harris.

[Paladin]

117. Many thanks. Shapiro remains my VP favorite. (nt)

[texasfiddler]

121. I agree. Those so focused on minor differences are so difficult to understand as we fight against tRump.

tRump would like nothing better than to level Gaza and put in hotels and deport every person from the U.S. who has a middle eastern background. I just don't fucking understand.