I have a few thoughts about Shapiro

[GaYellowDawg]

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I think he's incredibly sharp and would make a valuable addition to the ticket. He's charismatic, quick on his feet, and would absolutely depants Vance (see what I did there?) in a debate.

I think that fears about him are overblown. There's no one who's clean enough to not be a target of the right-wing smear machine. Whomever VP Harris chooses will get targeted in the nastiest way possible, and there doesn't have to be any truth involved.

I don't like the idea of pandering to any religion. I don't want to hear about what Michigan Muslims want or don't want as a bloc, any more than I give a particular shit about what Southern Baptists want.

Has anyone not given any thought to the fact that the Trump campaign could make a great deal of hay by accusing VP Harris of being anti-Israel? And let's be honest: how many microseconds would it take them to call the Harris campaign pro-Hamas? They'd say, "She wouldn't pick a popular Jewish governor because she's pro-Hamas. She'll institute sharia law!" How many people in how many states would that push away from Harris? Less than the putatively upset Muslims in Michigan? More?

I like Gen Z, but if you allow them to dictate policy then you're going to end up with Secretary of State Taylor Swift.

On edit: the last sentence was humor. Generations joke about each other all the time. Get over yourselves.

[Elessar Zappa]

1. I like Shapiro but your last comment is ageist.

Adult Gen Zers have just as much right to try and influence policy as any other adult, be they elderly or otherwise.

[kcr]

23. Agreed on the ageist part

and very condescending.

[Emile]

26. Exactly

[TheKentuckian]

34. Their In it to win it-Fu is extraordinarily weak and their ability

to be triggered into despondency is sky high.

Until that changes I don't give much of a shit what they are talking about.

Too fickle, eyes everywhere but the prize.

How about "cancelling" fucking Chump, Putin, and Khomeini?

Get the hell off my lawn! I've got to give that cloud over there a piece of my mind.

[Funtatlaguy]

2. If Shapiro is picked, David Hogg/Michael Moore etc.

really must come out with statements that even though they advocated that he not be the choice, that they now FULLY back him and the ticket.
The last thing we need is internal fighting and disunity heading into our convention.
This is one persons choice.
Harris will do what she thinks is best to help her win 270 ev’s.

[sunnybrook]

5. David Hogg maybe

But Michael Moore will do whatever he wants. Yes the internal fighting absolutely has to stop. I have always been Team Shapiro but I will go with whoever she feels will be best.

[Celerity]

7. In re Hogg, you're 3 days late: David Hogg 🟧 @davidhogg111 · I'm excited to support VP Harris no matter her pick.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219266198

David Hogg 🟧
@davidhogg111

No matter what happens- I’ve really liked this whole veepstakes and think it’s been a fun way of getting way more people to know about some of the incredible talent we have in the Democratic Party AND it’s completely dominated much of the news cycle.

David Hogg 🟧
@davidhogg111

I’m excited to support VP Harris no matter her pick.

Link to tweet

[Funtatlaguy]

9. Good. Thank you. Hopefully, Moore does too.

[Lulu KC]

27. Does anyone listen to him anymore?

I thought he rode out of town after HRC. Man, I'm not in the loop.

[TBF]

28. David will come around - he's too smart not too.

I've been on his distlists since my daughter signed us up prior to the "march for our lives" which we attended here in Houston. I recently read he managed to get his undergraduate degree at Harvard, but he's still been doing his protesting & building the pac for young leaders on the side. He will absolutely support whoever the VP is, and most importantly support Harris all over social media.

[Celerity]

29. he already did come around, on July 31, as my reply showed (that is why I posted it)

[Demsrule86]

31. David Hogg already said he didn't care who the VP was...he is voting for Kamala Harris.

[speak easy]

3. Taylor Swift could have a future in politics if she wanted it.

She does not.

Did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism
Like some kind of congressman? A tale as old as time.
Anti-Hero

[BComplex]

6. The anti-Israeli thing cannot stick to Harris. Her husband is Jewish. The problem with

Shapiro is that he has been considered anti-Palestinian. That is a hot topic right now across the world. Anti-Hamas is a given for any civilized person, but anti-Palestinian is not. I'm sure that Shapiro doesn't like to see innocent people suffer, but his stance on the war has not given him much breathing room on that score. That would be a biggie for a large voting block.

[emulatorloo]

14. He has condemned netanyahu's conduct of the war and spoken of the suffering of civilians in Gaza

His negative comments about pro-palestinian protests were about the more violent bigoted extremists, he was very empathetic to the peaceful young people protesting the suffering of civilians in Gaza.

He also has long called for a two state solution and has great relationships w Muslims in his state. He is not “anti-Palestinian”

See:

Who’s Afraid of Josh Shapiro?
The Pennsylvania governor called Benjamin Netanyahu “one of the worst leaders of all time.” But anti-Israel activists don’t want him on the Democratic ticket.

By Yair Rosenberg

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/josh-shapiro-netanyahu-jewish-vp/679300/
https://archive.is/XQXcM

“I personally believe Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the worst leaders of all time,” Shapiro told reporters in January, months before Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called for the Israeli leader to resign. At the time, Shapiro also pressed for an “immediate two-state solution,” something Netanyahu and his hard-right government stridently oppose. The anti-Shapiro campaign ignores these remarks but makes much of the governor’s comparison of campus Gaza protesters to “people dressed up in KKK outfits.” When he said that in an interview, however, Shapiro was distinguishing between bigoted extremists—such as the Columbia campus-protest leader who called for killing “Zionists”—and peaceful demonstrators, about whom the governor has said, “It’s right for young people to righteously protest and question.”

The whole article is great and punctures all the disinformation being spread by bad faith actors.

[OneGrassRoot]

22. Thx for this link. n/t

[emulatorloo]

24. Yr welcome!

[Demsrule86]

32. All the VP nominees have the same view of Palestinian protests...But Spapiro is the only Jewish candidate...

You do know that Trump doesn't want us to pick Shapiro because we get PA and it is game over for Trump. I think that is a good thing and as one poster said I don't allow religious groups to dictate to me...not Palestinians and not Baptists.

[Cosmocat]

8. I've made the same point repeatedly

They will dirty ANYONE up, whether there is any actual substance to it or not.

[Funtatlaguy]

10. Yes, and the so called "liberal media" will search for

any unhappy Democrat they can find to stir up something.

[Celerity]

11. And yet another ageist DU cheap shot at young voters. So tired of this dross.

I like Gen Z, but if you allow them to dictate policy then you're going to end up with Secretary of State Taylor Swift.

Btw, around 40 per cent or so of Gen Zers were not even born when Taylor Swift put out her first album.

Hell, I am a late born Millennial and I was only 9 years old when her first single from it dropped.

[SocialDemocrat61]

12. Ageism was wrong against Biden

It’s wrong against gen a too.

[Cirsium]

30. Yes

I don't understand why we even need to have names for so-called "generations." It is completely arbitrary and inherently divisive. In the 60s I objected to the phrase "never trust anyone over 35." That sort of thinking was idiotic then and it is idiotic now.

[LeftInTX]

35. TBF. That group is not old enough to vote

Her first hit was 2008 or 2009.
If she had another album before that, I not familiar.

[LearnedHand]

13. 'Scuse me, but SOS Swift would be awesome

Please let's don't use young people as bad or unthinkable examples.

[SocialDemocrat61]

15. Hell if she were the VP

Dems would win the election in a landslide LOL

[LearnedHand]

18. Right?

[emulatorloo]

16. Love Swift, but not sure she has the foreign policy experience of say Secretary Kerry, Clinton, or Blinken

[LearnedHand]

17. Not my point of course

I was pointing out the inherent problem in portraying Swift as SOS as if it would be a bad thing.

[emulatorloo]

19. I know. I would love for her to enter politics but she's probably has better things to do.

She’s also knows you have to do the hard work to enter a field.

[Chasing Dreams]

20. Taylor has more foreign policy experience than JD Vance

[emulatorloo]

21. Absolutely. She's also empathetic and 10 times as smart. And def not weird.

[Salvador Dolly]

25. "There's no one who's clean enough to not be a target of the right-wing smear machine"

Indeed.

Starting with Harris herself.

[quaint]

33. Doug and Kamala preside over 2022 Passover seder at VP's residence.

Vice President Kamala Harris (R) and Second Gentleman Doug Emhoff host a Passover seder in the Vice President's Residence, serving wine from the Psagot settlement winery, on April 16, 2022.
The Times of Israel