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Funtatlaguy

(11,878 posts)
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:38 AM Aug 2024

Trump: "She'll lose the Palestinian vote if she picks Shapiro".

* I’m only posting this as information. Not trying to stir up support or non support for Shapiro. I’ll happily support him if he’s our Veep choice.

On CNN this morning about 5:15am as part of a story about the selection process, they carried the Trump statement giving his opinion about Harris choosing Shapiro.
Who knows why he would say this. Reverse psychology?
Trump just being Trump and enjoying playing pundit?

No matter his motivation, I did find it interesting that he said this.
Just passing that along.
Once again, I’m not advocating for or against the choice of Shapiro.
I only want Harris to make the best choice to help her win.
As we all here do.

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Trump: "She'll lose the Palestinian vote if she picks Shapiro". (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Aug 2024 OP
So the rightwing IS afraid of Shapiro, interesting. Think. Again. Aug 2024 #1
Yes I think this is what Trump is saying. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #13
Actually... Grins Aug 2024 #30
He did not say a thing about Michigan...Trump knows PA is a deal breaker for him if he loses it... Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #63
Dearborn, Michigan DID! Explicitly. Grins Aug 2024 #75
Harris get to pick her VP, not Trump. DiamondShark Aug 2024 #95
Yes. He's afraid of Shapiro. Shapiro would steal much of Trump's pro-Israeli vote MaryMagdaline Aug 2024 #36
Of course they are - it is so apparent. Gov Shapiro is getting bashed TBF Aug 2024 #37
I haven't seen too much Shapiro-bashing here... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #68
Perhaps you're focused on other things - it definitely catches my eye TBF Aug 2024 #69
That's true, I'm certainly not the intended target for... Think. Again. Aug 2024 #70
Reminds me of the Eric Hoffer quote Bok_Tukalo Aug 2024 #2
Indeed Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #5
Fuck him Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #3
He wants to paint Harris as "not liking Jews" madaboutharry Aug 2024 #4
But he's smart enough to know Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #7
Hard for Kamala Harris to NOT like Jews when .... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2024 #18
I think that's what Trump is doing. He's just stirring shit. yardwork Aug 2024 #20
And, of course,.. LAS14 Aug 2024 #32
:sarcasm: (put it between colons in the Reply text) spooky3 Aug 2024 #77
If she picks Shapiro he will say he isn't a real Jew JI7 Aug 2024 #6
He's not wrong underpants Aug 2024 #8
"could be seen as approval of or appeasement to Israel" Dorian Gray Aug 2024 #11
I understand what you are saying but I also understand how this could very well be received underpants Aug 2024 #12
I appreciate the response Dorian Gray Aug 2024 #91
There is no mention of Shapiro being Jewish in underpants' post onandup Aug 2024 #28
He said Dorian Gray Aug 2024 #92
They all have the same opinion? onandup Aug 2024 #94
They've all expressed generic pro-israel sentiments, yes. Dorian Gray Aug 2024 #98
Agreed Lulu KC Aug 2024 #31
Thank You for Calling That OUT! I don't want the Cha Aug 2024 #74
Should she divorce her Jewish husband, then? MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2024 #54
Tell that to Jamal Bowman who lost his primary in New York...and those Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #64
Polling shows "the youth vote" doesn't care as much about I/P as you think they do. emulatorloo Aug 2024 #80
I'm sure you know what you're talking about underpants Aug 2024 #82
I just gave you a link. Loud Noises on twitter/X and tiktok do not equal "real life" youth voters. emulatorloo Aug 2024 #84
Saw this earlier. Pay wall. Got around it. Reading now. underpants Aug 2024 #85
Yes, I included a non-paywall link in my post, right under the official link. emulatorloo Aug 2024 #86
My Gen Z kids do NOT want Shapiro. They feel strongly about it. Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #83
Trump isn't going to be bestowing lavish praise no matter who it is DFW Aug 2024 #9
I would hope all VP candidates are ready for the onsought that will bappen by the republicans jimfields33 Aug 2024 #22
No that isn't true...Waltz is a good guy but can't deliver PA. Game over for Trump if we get PA. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #42
"If Harris picks Walz, MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2024 #56
Didn't Gov. Shapiro North Shore Chicago Aug 2024 #10
What???? AkFemDem Aug 2024 #15
*clears throats North Shore Chicago Aug 2024 #16
Ooooh gotcha and thank god lol AkFemDem Aug 2024 #17
Actually no. He is and has been Jewish... Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #43
LOL, the sarcasm tag is your friend RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #47
Try this smilie next time :sarcasm: or :spray: maybe a :rofl: DiamondShark Aug 2024 #96
I think all of her choices are good. I love Shapiro, but Pennsylvania needs him, too. Vinca Aug 2024 #14
Excellent point - Mark Kelly would be a wonderful choice FakeNoose Aug 2024 #19
My only hesitation is adding another Westerner to a ticket that's led by a Westerner.. calimary Aug 2024 #57
Trump will bash each & every candidate up & down. That is what he does. TBF Aug 2024 #39
If we lose PA, we lose the election...sure all our candidates are great but Shapiro can deliver PA. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #45
This from the guy who said VP choices don't matter re:JD Vance Maeve Aug 2024 #21
Indeed. calimary Aug 2024 #58
That may be right soandso Aug 2024 #79
If he said that, she needs to pick Shapiro Thrill Aug 2024 #23
It's a right wing talking point ColinC Aug 2024 #24
That goes without saying. DiamondShark Aug 2024 #97
Stay in your lane, Dumpy. You picked JD, now she can pick who she wants. yellowcanine Aug 2024 #25
No wonder Trump casinos went bankrupt C_U_L8R Aug 2024 #26
Didnt he just say vp picks dont mean a thing? Lol getagrip_already Aug 2024 #27
This probably tipped Shapiro right over the edge to the VP pick!!! nt LAS14 Aug 2024 #29
I'm pretty sure he wants us to pick Shapiro. I think he scared of Gov. Walz wit. Emile Aug 2024 #33
No, nice try. But Trump knows if we win PA it is game over. Shapiro can deliver PA...Waltz is a Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #48
Um, okay, I know what you were trying to say here, fella Lulu KC Aug 2024 #34
He must be afraid of having Josh Shapiro on the Democratic ticket. lees1975 Aug 2024 #35
Hasn't Shapiro also offered criticism of Netanyahu? XorXor Aug 2024 #38
Yes he has...it is posted somewhere some don't want him because he is Jewish...has to be Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #66
That's simply not true. Shapiro has been more outspoken on Israel/Gaza than the others. Sky Jewels Aug 2024 #87
This is not convincing...I would hope the governor would have not support Hamas terrorists...and that is why I have no Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #88
No he hasn't...that is just BS. He was a volunteer. I don't care what he did in college. God forbid some of my exploits Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #89
I guess some agree with Trump. I make it a point to never agree with Trump. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #90
Jamal Bowman lost his primary in New York when he sided with protestors. It cuts both ways. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #50
Good Point about Bowman Losing and BEING A dsa Cha Aug 2024 #104
The rightwing is afraid of Shapiro...he cleaned their clock in the Governor's race and is very popular. He Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #40
It's all about PA. tfg knows PA is a must win jg10003 Aug 2024 #41
And this is why she needs to pick Shapiro...there is no fucking way we should take a chance on losing because of Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #51
100% and that is why we are seeing all the "not Shapiro" posts this week - TBF Aug 2024 #67
This guy ? Beachnutt Aug 2024 #44
+1 dalton99a Aug 2024 #53
How refreshing! An entitled white male telling minorities and their supporters what they think! RandomNumbers Aug 2024 #46
One cannot lose sarisataka Aug 2024 #49
No, he won't claudette Aug 2024 #52
Since when should a weirdo be listened to for anything? Srkdqltr Aug 2024 #55
There is that. calimary Aug 2024 #59
And Trump lost the cat owner votes by picking Vance. Who cares what he thinks? 33taw Aug 2024 #60
Like he has them Traildogbob Aug 2024 #61
Palestinian vote? osteopath6 Aug 2024 #62
1. Trump spews feces each time he opens his anus mouth! 2. Kamala will make cornball 24 Aug 2024 #65
Jared's plans to turn Gaza into vacationland can't be endearing TSF to "the Palestinian vote" Scrivener7 Aug 2024 #71
I did a search on that and found a good article on Forbes - TBF Aug 2024 #73
So that's Jared's plan to bring peace to the middle east.... Deport the Palestinians. keithbvadu2 Aug 2024 #102
He specifically said "move the people out, and then clean it up" TBF Aug 2024 #105
And TSF Will Get It.. That's the Way It Works.. Do the Math.. Cha Aug 2024 #72
I think he's a great choice epreic01 Aug 2024 #76
Typical Trump mischief karynnj Aug 2024 #78
That statement is all about keeping PA in play, for Trump, is all GoodRaisin Aug 2024 #81
He wants to divide us ecstatic Aug 2024 #93
Harris is going to win PA with or without Shapiro. lees1975 Aug 2024 #99
5% would be up around 350,000 from Biden's 211,000 in 2020? Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #100
Shapiro is very popular in Pennsylvania. That is much more important applegrove Aug 2024 #101
We give Trump too much credit Agent Orange Tabby Aug 2024 #103
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
1. So the rightwing IS afraid of Shapiro, interesting.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:52 AM
Aug 2024

Edit to add:

But honestly, trump would have something negative to say about whichever candidate people were most discussing, and stirring up division on the Left is a basic tactic of the right.

Grins

(9,446 posts)
30. Actually...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:53 AM
Aug 2024

He’s saying: ‘Pick Shapiro and I will win Michigan.’

He wants Shapiro. Whether that pick would swing Michigan I don’t know. And don’t want to find out.

Maybe Shapiro will see that as a political flaw in his persona and work to change that impression, thus gaining new supporters.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
63. He did not say a thing about Michigan...Trump knows PA is a deal breaker for him if he loses it...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:54 PM
Aug 2024

We must win PA. Thus Shapiro is the best choice.

Grins

(9,446 posts)
75. Dearborn, Michigan DID! Explicitly.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 04:48 PM
Aug 2024

And Trump’s people sure saw that!

Pennsylvania isn't the only critical state.

And I don’t believe undecided Pennsylvania voters are suddenly going to think, “Oh! She picked my governor! I’ll vote for her!”

I’m only hoping she picks the best qualified.

MaryMagdaline

(7,964 posts)
36. Yes. He's afraid of Shapiro. Shapiro would steal much of Trump's pro-Israeli vote
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:01 AM
Aug 2024

I live in a heavily Democratic county - Broward. Many Democrats are under pressure to switch to Trump because he is “pro-Israel.” Netanyahu clearly wants trump to win. I know, I know. The fact that 70 per cent of Israelis want Netanyahu gone does not negate the fact that Netanyahu has been the face of Israel since the Clinton years. Even Democrats who are in favor of two state solution are worried that the Democratic Party is turning away from Israel.
I am not sure that Josh’s pro-Israeli stance is not an asset to our chances of winning. He could solidify Jewish vote (solidly Democratic) and suburban vote (leans Democratic).
It might just be that in order to save Israel we need a strong push to create a two state solution coming from Democrats. A Democrat got the State of Israel; a Democrat got peace with Egypt; only democrats can get a peaceful solution. We offer something other than the Rapture.
Every time I think Shapiro will hurt us, I keep thinking of his absolute energy and strong moral compass. President Harris will need a bulldog - Bobby Kennedy type - in her administration.
I still lean Walz for labor vote and experience. Either way we are sooooo lucky.
And F Donald Trump. Shapiro is his worst nightmare. He knows Shapiro helps with white women voters. He will steal the Haley voters.

TBF

(36,633 posts)
37. Of course they are - it is so apparent. Gov Shapiro is getting bashed
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:05 AM
Aug 2024

on this board now. That should not be happening to any democratic governor, but they are out in full force and arguing up and down that they don't like his "policies", while figuring out how to work his religion into the conversation.

I think the right wing is extremely nervous about Gov Shapiro for 2 reasons - he is moderate (school vouchers being the most obvious issue) and Pennsylvania has 19 electoral votes. Republicans had been very adept at using the electoral college & this has to be foremost on their mind.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
68. I haven't seen too much Shapiro-bashing here...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:15 PM
Aug 2024

...but I have a disproportionate number of people here CLAIMING there is Shapiro-bashing.

It's weird.

TBF

(36,633 posts)
69. Perhaps you're focused on other things - it definitely catches my eye
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:26 PM
Aug 2024

because I've been supporting him since his run for governor in Pennsylvania (I'm in Texas - there aren't too many other state level folks that catch my eye but he was one of them I've actually donated to).

Just because you haven't noticed it doesn't mean it's not happening.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
70. That's true, I'm certainly not the intended target for...
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:29 PM
Aug 2024

...divisive posts anyway.

Bok_Tukalo

(4,540 posts)
2. Reminds me of the Eric Hoffer quote
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:05 AM
Aug 2024

“You can discover what your enemy fears most by observing the means he uses to frighten you.”

Sugarcoated

(8,240 posts)
3. Fuck him
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:19 AM
Aug 2024

Obviously he doesn't want her to pick Shapiro. The governor will kick them in the balls, hard and repeatedly, and crooked Donnie and his people know it

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
4. He wants to paint Harris as "not liking Jews"
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:19 AM
Aug 2024

He is trying to divide the Jewish community. He has been saying “Jews who vote for democrats are bad Jews.” Which, btw, is actually antisemitic.
Kamala choosing Shapiro would undercut that bullshit.

Trump is an idiot. The overwhelming majority of Jews hate Trump.

Sugarcoated

(8,240 posts)
7. But he's smart enough to know
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:29 AM
Aug 2024

Or maybe his people are telling him that Shapiro would be bad news for them. He's a Philly boy from the City Line section of the city. Middle to upper middle class. Tough but smart tough

ProudMNDemocrat

(20,888 posts)
18. Hard for Kamala Harris to NOT like Jews when ....
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:48 AM
Aug 2024

Her husband, Doug Emhoff, is one.

Damn! Is CF#45 DUMB!

LAS14

(15,506 posts)
32. And, of course,..
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:55 AM
Aug 2024

' He has been saying “Jews who vote for democrats are bad Jews.” '

And, of course, the great majority of Jews in this country are listening carefully to what he is saying for guidance.

:SARCASM: (How do you make that yellow sarcasm script with the arrow like things?)

JI7

(93,587 posts)
6. If she picks Shapiro he will say he isn't a real Jew
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:21 AM
Aug 2024

or a bad jew or whatever the fuck he has been saying.

underpants

(196,455 posts)
8. He's not wrong
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:36 AM
Aug 2024

Shapiro could be see as an approval of or appeasement to Israel. The youth vote is vital and this could dampen donations enthusiasm and turn out. Not all of it but as close as it’s going to be we need every single vote.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
11. "could be seen as approval of or appeasement to Israel"
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:03 AM
Aug 2024

is really something that seems to be a problem in our party. A man who doesn't support Netanyahu, who has spoken about Netanyahu more harshly than some of his non-Jewish VP candidates, is seen as appeasement to Israel. Why?

This is "JFK will be more loyal to the Pope than our country" discriminatory thinking.

There are reasons to debate whether Shapiro is the best candidate, but his being Jewish seems to be the prevailing "negative" in a lot of people's minds. And I think that's really shitty.

underpants

(196,455 posts)
12. I understand what you are saying but I also understand how this could very well be received
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:22 AM
Aug 2024

and it might be racist but it’s also widely considered to be the case. I like Shapiro but a lot of people are short attention span.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
91. I appreciate the response
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:18 PM
Aug 2024

and I understand the fear, but I think if they determine he's the best candidate and helps Harris win the Presidency (he's extraordinarily popular in purple state PA, and those electoral votes would go far), then we need to go all in and not allow the people who hold his jewish heritage against him lead the conversation. Now is the time for debate, and it may very well come to pass that his positions on Charter schools or world matters etc. may not coincide with the vision Harris has as the leader, but, I think when democrats say they don't want him bc of his Israel position (which is not really different than any other potential candidate), they should be challenged for that. Big time. Their issue is that they think he's a "zionist." But any of the candidates would fall into that descriptor if they want a two state solution. So why is his case different? Oh... he went to a Jewish school with Jake Tapper? (That was a big meme going around on Twitter today and it's discriminatory.)

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
92. He said
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:20 PM
Aug 2024

"Shapiro could be seen as approval and appeasement to Israel." The only difference between his opinion and the other candidates opinions... is that he is Jewish.

Dorian Gray

(13,850 posts)
98. They've all expressed generic pro-israel sentiments, yes.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:08 PM
Aug 2024

And support for a 2 state solution. so, yes.

But if you think I am incorrect, I'd love for you to explain how Shapiro's views are more kowtowing to Israel than any of the others.

Lulu KC

(8,891 posts)
31. Agreed
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:53 AM
Aug 2024

But I think what we are seeing all over the place (not just with Shapiro) is something that makes it very hard to differentiate between Israel and Bibi and between Palestinians and Hamas. I really wish I could figure out why there is so little room for nuanced understanding on this, broadly. I'm sure there's a name for this in academia. Conflation is the closest I can come.

Cha

(318,969 posts)
74. Thank You for Calling That OUT! I don't want the
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 03:02 PM
Aug 2024

Bigots to Call the Shots on who gets Chosen for Harris' VP. Pretty sure she wouldn't either.

Oh and TSF can FO.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
64. Tell that to Jamal Bowman who lost his primary in New York...and those
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:57 PM
Aug 2024

leaders in the Palestinian protest thing... including Nina Turn...none will vote for us.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
80. Polling shows "the youth vote" doesn't care as much about I/P as you think they do.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:49 PM
Aug 2024


May 2: Gaza and the 2024 Presidential Election
by Ed Kilgore, May 2nd, 2024 5:50 PM EST

https://thedemocraticstrategist.org/2024/05/may-2-gaza-and-the-2024-presidential-election/

But is the Israel-Hamas war a voting issue — or a reason not to vote at all — for enough people to greatly affect the outcome of the November election? The available data on issue saliency doesn’t provide much evidence that it’s top of mind for that many voters.


A March 29 Gallup survey asked respondents to identify “the most important issue facing the country today.” “War in the Middle East” tied for 13th with just 2 percent.


Perhaps the most startling data comes from the very credible large-sample Harvard Youth Poll released on April 19:

“Poll results showed that two issues closely associated with under-30 voters — the Israel-Hamas war and student debt relief — may not be especially consequential ones when it comes to casting votes.


To be more specific, under-30 voters listed “Israel/Palestine” 15th among the 16 “major issues” they were asked to rank in importance. Pew’s March survey on the subject noted low interest and information levels on the Middle East in the same age cohort:

“Just 14% of those under 50 say they are following the war extremely or very closely, roughly half the share among those over 50 (30%). Consistent with their lower levels of attention, younger Americans are also less likely to know key facts about the ongoing war, based on their responses to three knowledge questions included on the survey.”




underpants

(196,455 posts)
82. I'm sure you know what you're talking about
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:52 PM
Aug 2024

I just don’t think you stop a ball that’s helping you from running downhill

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
84. I just gave you a link. Loud Noises on twitter/X and tiktok do not equal "real life" youth voters.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:56 PM
Aug 2024

Additionally Shapiro calls for an immediate 2 state solution and is very harsh on Netanyahu.

See this article. If you get a chance, it is short and worth reading in full:

See:

Who’s Afraid of Josh Shapiro?
The Pennsylvania governor called Benjamin Netanyahu “one of the worst leaders of all time.” But anti-Israel activists don’t want him on the Democratic ticket.

By Yair Rosenberg

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2024/07/josh-shapiro-netanyahu-jewish-vp/679300/
https://archive.is/XQXcM

“I personally believe Benjamin Netanyahu is one of the worst leaders of all time,” Shapiro told reporters in January, months before Democratic Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer called for the Israeli leader to resign. At the time, Shapiro also pressed for an “immediate two-state solution,” something Netanyahu and his hard-right government stridently oppose. The anti-Shapiro campaign ignores these remarks but makes much of the governor’s comparison of campus Gaza protesters to “people dressed up in KKK outfits.” When he said that in an interview, however, Shapiro was distinguishing between bigoted extremists—such as the Columbia campus-protest leader who called for killing “Zionists”—and peaceful demonstrators, about whom the governor has said, “It’s right for young people to righteously protest and question.”


The whole article is great and punctures all the disinformation being spread by bad faith actors.

We can add Trump to the list of bad faith actors.

I have no horse in this race, I like them all. However Trump doesn’t get to pick.Harris does.



emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
86. Yes, I included a non-paywall link in my post, right under the official link.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:42 PM
Aug 2024

Article makes a good point that all the VP candidates are pro-Israel, yet anti-Israel activists are only targeting Shapiro.

Now Trump is adding his voice…probably because of Shapiro’s popularity in PA. From article:

A politician designed in a lab to help Democrats win pivotal Rust Belt swing states would probably look a lot like Josh Shapiro. In 2016, when Donald Trump won Pennsylvania by less than 1 percent of the vote, Shapiro was elected attorney general by nearly 3 percent. In 2020, when Joe Biden won the state by one point, Shapiro won reelection by more than four points. And in 2022, the Democrat took the governorship by a whopping 15 percent.

Today, Shapiro’s favorability in Pennsylvania stands at a commanding 61 percent, far outstripping Kamala Harris’s 49 percent in the state. Leaks from the Republican camp suggest that party strategists see the governor as one of their most formidable potential adversaries in a presidential campaign. There’s just one problem

DFW

(60,169 posts)
9. Trump isn't going to be bestowing lavish praise no matter who it is
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 06:50 AM
Aug 2024

Does anyone here truly expect that Harris’ decision is going to cause Trump to say, “hey, I have to admit, that was a great choice!” Seriously? Who would that be?

If Harris picks Walz, Trump will say she has lost the foxtrot vote. So, let’s stop caring what Trump says about her VP pick. If she were to pick Cornell West, Trump would note that she had lost Tim Scott’s vote. So what? Did she ever have Tim Scott’s vote in the first place? We don’t crow that Trump picking Vance lost him the sane people’s vote, because he wasn’t going to get most of that group’s vote in any case.

By the way, if Trump thinks the Palestinian vote is so vital, let’s see how much time he spends specifically courting Palestinians during the campaign. How many joint campaign appearances will he hold with Rashida Tlaib? Anyone wish to hazard a guess?

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
22. I would hope all VP candidates are ready for the onsought that will bappen by the republicans
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 09:02 AM
Aug 2024

That’s typically what happens no matter what. We didn’t ignore trump’s pick. Why would they?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
42. No that isn't true...Waltz is a good guy but can't deliver PA. Game over for Trump if we get PA.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:49 AM
Aug 2024

And after all the negative things said about a popular PA governor...we might actually lose support in PA. He needs to be the VP pick.

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
15. What????
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:06 AM
Aug 2024

One doesn’t “turn Jewish”, you’re either born that way or convert. Shapiro literally met his wife in Hebrew school so….

North Shore Chicago

(4,240 posts)
16. *clears throats
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:11 AM
Aug 2024

This was mocking trump. Check out what he said at the conference with the black journalists in Atlanta, he argued that V.P. Harris had just "recently turned black."

Vinca

(53,966 posts)
14. I think all of her choices are good. I love Shapiro, but Pennsylvania needs him, too.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:38 AM
Aug 2024

After hearing Mark Kelly, I think I'm leaning his way. It would be amusing to watch Trump try to bash a former astronaut/military guy whose wife was nearly killed by a bullet. Kelly brings Gabby Giffords, too, a powerful voice re the ongoing gun nightmare.

FakeNoose

(41,588 posts)
19. Excellent point - Mark Kelly would be a wonderful choice
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:50 AM
Aug 2024

Gov Shapiro needs to stay here in Pennsylvania and make the Repukes walk the straight and narrow. It has been on his watch for the last 3 or 4 elections because he was our Attorney General before he was elected Governor 2 years ago. Gov. Josh was relentless keeping watch over the elections here so the Repukes couldn't steal it.

If he joins Kamala's campaign I'm afraid what will happen in Pennsylvania. The Repukes will definitely try to take advantage.

calimary

(89,967 posts)
57. My only hesitation is adding another Westerner to a ticket that's led by a Westerner..
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:14 PM
Aug 2024

I think she’ll need some geographical balance and a Pennsylvanian sounds like a really good idea.

TBF

(36,633 posts)
39. Trump will bash each & every candidate up & down. That is what he does.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:16 AM
Aug 2024

If our goal is to please Trump with our VP pick, then we need to think about what we are doing.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
45. If we lose PA, we lose the election...sure all our candidates are great but Shapiro can deliver PA.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:50 AM
Aug 2024
 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
79. That may be right
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:30 PM
Aug 2024

Is there a Harris voter who will not vote for her because of the VP pick? I don't think so. IMO, people vote party and president.

DiamondShark

(1,167 posts)
97. That goes without saying.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 05:44 PM
Aug 2024

TFG is afraid of Harris, Biden, multiple states AG, DOJ, etc, etc.

C_U_L8R

(49,369 posts)
26. No wonder Trump casinos went bankrupt
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:44 AM
Aug 2024

The idiot is a shitty poker player. His fear is showing.

getagrip_already

(17,802 posts)
27. Didnt he just say vp picks dont mean a thing? Lol
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:46 AM
Aug 2024

Really, the guy just went on and on saying vp picks dont mean a dsmn thing. That you are only voting for the top of the ticket and the vp is meaningless to the electorsl cslculus.

So which is it?

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
48. No, nice try. But Trump knows if we win PA it is game over. Shapiro can deliver PA...Waltz is a
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:55 AM
Aug 2024

good guy but he can't deliver PA. After the all-out attacks on Shapiro I am not sure at this point... we can win PA without Shapiro.

Lulu KC

(8,891 posts)
34. Um, okay, I know what you were trying to say here, fella
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:56 AM
Aug 2024

But "the Palestinian vote?" Does he not mean the "Arab-American vote" or the "Friends of Gaza" vote? It's like he can't tell the difference between "the Jewish vote" and "the Israeli vote."

I continue to scream into the abyss.

lees1975

(7,042 posts)
35. He must be afraid of having Josh Shapiro on the Democratic ticket.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 10:57 AM
Aug 2024

Lose the "Palestinian vote" to whom? Him? They're not that naive or stupid.

Being Jewish doesn't automatically translate over to being wholly supportive of Netanyahu, not even in Israel.

XorXor

(690 posts)
38. Hasn't Shapiro also offered criticism of Netanyahu?
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:11 AM
Aug 2024

I'm going to venture to guess that most of the people on the far-left who will not vote for a Kamala/Shapiro ticket probably wouldn't vote for a Kamala/Anyone ticket anyway. They are the people who use terms like genocide-Joe, who attacked/attack Harris for being a "cop", called Elizabeth Warren a "snake", and claimed Buttigieg was hatched in a cloning vat in a Langley basement. Anything short of bringing Castro, Mao, or Stalin back to life to govern the US isn't going to make those folks happy.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
66. Yes he has...it is posted somewhere some don't want him because he is Jewish...has to be
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:01 PM
Aug 2024

because all the candidates are on the same page with this issue...the only difference is he is Jewish. If we lose PA, we lose the election and our Republic.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
88. This is not convincing...I would hope the governor would have not support Hamas terrorists...and that is why I have no
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 07:25 PM
Aug 2024

use for them myself. One of their leaders is Nina Turner...I promise you we won't get any votes from these folks so lets not get AIPAC involved and lose the Jewish vote which is larger and could affect a number of states.

After the horrific Hamas attack of last Oct. 7, several dozen Pennsylvania-based Muslim groups wrote a letter protesting Gov. Shapiro’s one-sided comments: “Not only did you fail to recognize the structural root causes of the conflict," they argued, "you chose to intentionally ignore the civilian loss of life in Gaza.” Those folks chose to ignore the murder of Israelis by Hamas.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
89. No he hasn't...that is just BS. He was a volunteer. I don't care what he did in college. God forbid some of my exploits
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:46 PM
Aug 2024

were used against me publicly. He condemned Netanyahu. And called out protesters who were harassing Jewish students and vandalizing crap...the voucher thing is a lie...as is the IDF...he went to a Kibbutz. And there was some sort of paper for his college classes. This is an attack by anti-semites who don't want Shapiro because he is Jewish. Why else would all the other candidates who have the same view be OK? I am convinced of this and frankly, it is sickening.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
90. I guess some agree with Trump. I make it a point to never agree with Trump.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 08:47 PM
Aug 2024

not saying you...of course.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
50. Jamal Bowman lost his primary in New York when he sided with protestors. It cuts both ways.
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:57 AM
Aug 2024

I liked Jamal and was sorry this happened.

Cha

(318,969 posts)
104. Good Point about Bowman Losing and BEING A dsa
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 11:59 PM
Aug 2024

member that Celebrated October 7 happening on October 8 in NYC.

I was glad he lost.. and George Latimer Won

Pleases check out Rep Latimer Elect talking on CNN after his Victory.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/george-latimer-jamaal-bowman-new-york-16-primary/index.html

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
40. The rightwing is afraid of Shapiro...he cleaned their clock in the Governor's race and is very popular. He
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:40 AM
Aug 2024

will deliver PA and we will win the election.

jg10003

(1,058 posts)
41. It's all about PA. tfg knows PA is a must win
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:43 AM
Aug 2024

For Harris. If Harris loses PA she loses the election. Everything else is just noise.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
51. And this is why she needs to pick Shapiro...there is no fucking way we should take a chance on losing because of
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:01 PM
Aug 2024

Palestianians, Israelis or little green men from Mars. Shapiro gives us PA + we win=Trump loses..the mathematics work!

TBF

(36,633 posts)
67. 100% and that is why we are seeing all the "not Shapiro" posts this week -
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:15 PM
Aug 2024

all of a sudden so much *concern* ... the right wing knows he is a very good pick. Not only is he the very popular governor of a must-win swing state, but he is also moderate which scares them. They want the Nikki Haley voters to come back to them - not be pulled to the dems. Republicans may not be the kindest folks on earth, but they can do math. They clearly understand the electoral college, and we need to as well.

RandomNumbers

(19,154 posts)
46. How refreshing! An entitled white male telling minorities and their supporters what they think!
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:52 AM
Aug 2024


(I really hope that's not needed )

sarisataka

(22,674 posts)
49. One cannot lose
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 11:56 AM
Aug 2024

What one does not have

Anyway I sincerely doubt she is listening to him for advice.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
52. No, he won't
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:06 PM
Aug 2024

lose any votes. NO Dem in their right mind would vote for Dumpy or anyone else in this important election. As VP, Shapiro would have practically NO say in the decisions regarding our deals with Israel. Biden has tried to talk to Nuttyahoo but even the president can't change the criminal dictator's mind to stop killing innocents.

Traildogbob

(13,016 posts)
61. Like he has them
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:38 PM
Aug 2024

In HIS pocket. The Palestinians will buy up all those Kushner beach front condos.
Jr and Eric will be vetting the applications to get into those Condo’s and place a “P” on the applicants to be rejected.
Also a little too Colored to be residents, in trump buildings.
Watched John Oliver’s Last Week Tonight, about the battle of land between Palestinian and Jewish people. Damn eye opening. Really exposed Bibi and his henchmen.
I had no idea how screwed up it all is.

 

osteopath6

(195 posts)
62. Palestinian vote?
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 12:42 PM
Aug 2024

One could just as easily say she'd risk the coveted and highly influential AIPAC nod by picking somebody other than Shapiro? 🤷‍♀️

cornball 24

(1,579 posts)
65. 1. Trump spews feces each time he opens his anus mouth! 2. Kamala will make
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 01:00 PM
Aug 2024

the right V.P. decision based on her knowledge and the information that she has recently acquired. 3. Just sayin'!

Scrivener7

(59,498 posts)
71. Jared's plans to turn Gaza into vacationland can't be endearing TSF to "the Palestinian vote"
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 02:15 PM
Aug 2024

TBF

(36,633 posts)
73. I did a search on that and found a good article on Forbes -
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 02:46 PM
Aug 2024

apparently it was earlier this year. Kushner was speaking at Harvard. From Forbes: "Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner is facing criticism over comments he made at a February talk at Harvard University, where he said Gaza’s waterfront property could be “very valuable” and Israel could “move the people out, and then clean it up"...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesfarrell/2024/03/20/heres-what-jared-kushner-said-about-gazas-waterfront-property-and-where-its-been-said-before/

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
102. So that's Jared's plan to bring peace to the middle east.... Deport the Palestinians.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:58 PM
Aug 2024

TBF

(36,633 posts)
105. He specifically said "move the people out, and then clean it up"
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 12:19 AM
Aug 2024

I don't know what he means deportation out of the country precisely, or if it's just the beachfront he's concerned about. I would love for the press to interview him and get more details.

Cha

(318,969 posts)
72. And TSF Will Get It.. That's the Way It Works.. Do the Math..
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 02:46 PM
Aug 2024

Not talking to you.. Talking to the Muslims.

epreic01

(262 posts)
76. I think he's a great choice
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 04:53 PM
Aug 2024

I just worry there isn’t enough time to clean up this perception and it’s a distraction and could lose some momentum. BUT I could be wrong. And he is such a great speaker and so so sharp. It may not matter if he costs us votes in some places. He may gain us votes in others. And really his position will be on her position. So it’s really up to her.

karynnj

(60,959 posts)
78. Typical Trump mischief
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 04:58 PM
Aug 2024

Also nonsense. Harris is running against him, who does he think will get the majority of the Palestian American voters? Not to mention, his real attack might be that if she does NOT pick Shapiro it is because she favored Palestians over Jews.

Needless to say if she picks Shapiro be prepared for Trump allies to attack him using antisemitic memes.

GoodRaisin

(10,899 posts)
81. That statement is all about keeping PA in play, for Trump, is all
Sat Aug 3, 2024, 05:50 PM
Aug 2024

I can really take from it. Palestinians know that a future for them is a disaster if Trump were to win. They may not like Shapiro but they will hate Trump, and I expect enough to still go and vote (unless they are really stupid).

lees1975

(7,042 posts)
99. Harris is going to win PA with or without Shapiro.
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:22 PM
Aug 2024

She's energized the Democratic base and they outnumber the Republicans in PA by about a million voters. Turnout wins elections for Democrats in PA, we lost it in 2016 because the turnout was about 2% lower than it had been four years earlier, and we won it in 2020 because Democratic turnout went up almost 3%. For the first time in decades, Democrats swept statewide offices in Pennsylvania across the board over the course of four election cycles and retook control of a state legislative body in which Republicans had a super majority in 2018.

She wins PA by at least 5%.

applegrove

(132,158 posts)
101. Shapiro is very popular in Pennsylvania. That is much more important
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 10:41 PM
Aug 2024

than the Michigan Palestinian vote. And who are the Palestinians going to vote for? Trump whose son in law is already rubbing his hands at Gaza ocean front real estate like Jarred is?

103. We give Trump too much credit
Sun Aug 4, 2024, 11:14 PM
Aug 2024

Aggrandizing by analyzing his every dose of drivel as if up against 5D chess grandmaster, when 90% of time its no more strategic than poking closest bear in opportunistic attention grab. After 3 campaigns, good news is the predictability of his unpredictability and its power to shock and land punches is wearing thin. His voice now drowning in 12yrs of his own same old shit. And zeitgeist indicates it’s by ignoring that Americans could sink it for good.

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