Stop bullshitting me," Biden barked at Netanyahu

[kpete]

💥"Stop bullshitting me," Biden barked at Netanyahu, per @danawt. @BarakRavid reports Biden told Netanyahu "US will protect Israel against Iran this time, but don't escalate again, we won't save you again." In DC, Biden raised his voice: "A deal is the most important thing now!"

Biden (below) and Shin Bet chief (above) both seem to be telling Netanyahu to his face to stop bullshitting and moving the goal posts and adding new excuses

2/2 "Biden realized Netanyahu was lying to him about the hostages… He's not yet saying it publicly but in the meeting he said 'stop bullshitting me.'"

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-told-netanyahu-to-stop-bullshitting-during-white-house-meeting-report/

[elleng]

1. Not something we expect to hear or see from Joe Biden.

Thank you.

[yardwork]

7. I expect exactly this from Joe Biden.

I've been certain that he's doing the very best he can with this incredibly difficult situation. It's disappointing to hear you feel differently.

[elleng]

8. The term 'bullshitting' turned me off,

surely not the substance.

[yardwork]

11. Oh I see! I misunderstood.

Joe is a plain speaker. Netanyahu's behavior is beyond malarkey.

[wnylib]

34. Joe has been known to use some strong language on occasion,

like saying that passing the ACA was a "big f*****g deal" and calling Trump a "sick f**k." Granted, he did not intend for those comments to be public knowledge. He most likely did not intend for the "stop BSing me" comment to become publicly known. But when dealing with a tough situation and a con artist like Netanyahu, it sounds entirely appropriate to me for Biden to be so blunt in his use of the term.

I have been wondering lately if the US will protect Israel's defense again over the current escalation in Iran and against Hezbollah.

[PatSeg]

61. I agree completely

[brush]

77. Yeah, Joe knows Netanyahu is full of sh_t and just wants to save his own ass...

from jail for corruption. He doesn't care a lick about bringing the hostages home. One feels for Israel that their Prime Minister is such an untrustworthy warmonger who just wants hostilities to continue so he won't be prosecuted.

How are his actions of constant escalation, any better than the Hamas' leadership?

[PatSeg]

60. Oh, that rather sounds like Joe to me

He's known to use very simple, down-to-earth language and in this case, what he said sounds quite appropriate. There is no possibility of Netanyahu misunderstanding what he means.

This is a man who said to Slobodan Milošević to his face, "I think you're a damn war criminal and you should be tried as one".

With Netanyahu, I think Joe has drawn a line and he's not going to move it. People too often underestimate him.

[Celerity]

41. He is taking a winning position, only 23% of Dems and 34% of indies approval of Israel's actions, and only 12% of Dems

and 30% of indies approve of Bibi. That 12 per cent approval rate of Bibi by Democrats is an all-time low.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/646955/disapproval-israeli-action-gaza-eases-slightly.aspx

[msfiddlestix]

48. Thank you for the numbers, it is refreshing to read the majority of Dems do not approve of Israel's version of Trump

[yardwork]

57. The majority of Israelis disapprove of Netanyahu's policies.

But the ones who do have reasons to be fearful, more understandable reasons than the U.S. MAGATs who vote hurt Trump out of fear of our border.

[DBoon]

51. "No Malarkey"

[underpants]

13. He's been in a lot of negotiations over the years. As a Senator

Now he’s POTUS and when POTUS is in the room or call POTUS is THE MAN.
Biden knows what that means. Trump thought it was him.

As much as I don’t like DoD spending:
The POTUS can’t reach out and touch anyone anytime anywhere and everyone in the room knows it.

That’s power. Joe understands that.

[cstanleytech]

27. Well he isn't running now so he doesn't have to hold his tongue

[edisdead]

75. Huh? That is exactly the thing Biden would say.

[MayReasonRule]

76. This Is Exactly What I Expected Out Of Biden Being That Discretion Is The Better Part Of Valor

Biden bided his time...

Valor is the better part of honor.
Honor is the better part of Wisdom.

This is that.

[EarnestPutz]

2. Joe was expressing the sentiments of most Americans who see Israeli intransigence as as the root cause.....

......of the never-ending "Middle-East conflict"

[yardwork]

9. Nonsense. Most Americans don't blame Israel as the root cause of this situation.

Netanyahu is a jerk but Hamas are terrorists. We know the difference.

[EarnestPutz]

19. The Israeli intransigence that people recognize goes back well before Netanyahu. The Israeli position on everything, ..

......not just the two state solution, has always been "my way or the highway". They do not negotiate in good faith, period. Any pretense of negotiations is predicated on recognizing existing borders (even as they build settlements beyond those borders), recognizing Israel's "right to exist" (even as they control every facet of life inside of Palestinian territory) and and the requirements for establishment of a "legitimate self-governing authority" (with Israel deciding who is legitimate). When you are winning, when you are slowly gaining your objectives, when the area you control is growing and when the future only promises more of the same, why call off the game? Americans recognize a bully and have for a long time. They also recognize that hopelessness and desperation are often the cause of those irrational acts that we characterize as "terrorism".
So, you see, it's not "nonsense", it's perfect sense. Pro-Israeli poll results come from always asking the wrong question. They should try "Do you feel that the Palestinians are underdogs who have not been treated fairly?"

[yardwork]

20. I see the opposite.

The Muslim Arabs have been trying to annihilate all Jews in the middle east for more than 100 years. That's why Israel was created in the first place.

[EarnestPutz]

35. I think back to the stories of villages in the British mandate where Arabs and Jews lived peacefully side-by-side......

.......until Mr. Balfour decided to bow to the Zionists and "correct an age old injustice" by creating a Jewish "national home", not for the minority of Jews already there, but for the Jews of Europe that they did not want coming to Great Britain.

[yardwork]

38. Well, that's a nice fantasy but it never happened.

Jews were not living peacefully in the middle east in the 1920s and 30s. They were being annihilated. Just as the Jews living in Europe were being annihilated.

[Israeli]

45. We still live peacefully side-by-side

inside Israel proper , thats within the green line , not the Wild West Bank .

my kibbutz celebrates holidays together with our Arab neighbors , they come to our weddings etc
and we go to theirs .
my grandson has a Muslim nursery nurse, our local clinic has more Arab doctors , nurses and pharmacists than Jewish
ones .

I dont see any difference between Israeli Arabs be they Muslim or Christian or Druze or us ....we are all Israeli .

[yardwork]

58. In fact, Israel is the most diverse and tolerant nation in the middle east.

[EarnestPutz]

85. Tell that to the Palestinian Arabs who are shot by "settlers".

[yardwork]

86. I have a lot more sympathy for Israel than I used to.

The effect of all the pro-Hamas propaganda has made me far less sympathetic to Palestinians and more sympathetic to Israel.

I suspect I'm not the only one.

[EarnestPutz]

87. I am more sympathetic to Israelis who are victims of their right wing governments, ultra-orthodox fanatics and.....

......Netanyahu, as well as more sympathetic to the Palestinians who are victims of Hamas.

[Katcat]

28. At this point

What’s the difference? Both are warmongers, neither care about the ones who are
Injured or killed and both seem to love war as long as they don’t have to fight personally.

[EX500rider]

50. Well you can call Netanyahu many things but ChickenHawk is not one of them

His politics suck but he did walk the walk

After graduating from high school in 1967, Netanyahu returned to Israel to enlist in the Israel Defense Forces. He trained as a combat soldier and served for five years in a special forces unit of the IDF, Sayeret Matkal. He took part in numerous cross-border raids during the 1967–70 War of Attrition, including the March 1968 Battle of Karameh, when the IDF attacked Jordan to capture PLO leader Yasser Arafat but were repulsed with heavy casualties,[41][42] rising to become a team-leader in the unit. He was wounded in combat on multiple occasions.[43] He was involved in many other missions, including the 1968 Israeli raid on Lebanon and the rescue of the hijacked Sabena Flight 571 in May 1972, in which he was shot in the shoulder.[44][45] He was discharged from active service in 1972 but remained in the Sayeret Matkal reserves. Following his discharge, he left to study in the United States but returned in October 1973 to serve in the Yom Kippur War.[40][46] He took part in special forces raids along the Suez Canal against Egyptian forces before leading a commando attack deep inside Syrian territory, the details of which remain classified today.


General Staff Reconnaissance Unit[2] (formerly Unit 269 or Unit 262), more commonly known as Sayeret Matkal[3] (Hebrew: סיירת מטכ״ל , is the special reconnaissance unit (sayeret) of Israel's General Staff (matkal). It is considered one of the premier special forces units of Israel.[4]

First and foremost a field intelligence-gathering unit, conducting deep reconnaissance behind enemy lines to obtain strategic intelligence, Sayeret Matkal is also tasked with a wide variety of special operations, including black operations; as well as combat search and rescue, counterterrorism, hostage rescue, HUMINT, irregular warfare, long-range penetration, conducting manhunts, and reconnaissance beyond Israel's borders.[5][6] The unit is modeled after the British Army's Special Air Service (SAS), taking the unit's motto "Who Dares Wins". The unit is the Israeli equivalent of the SAS.[7] It is directly subordinate to the Special Operations Division of the IDF's Military Intelligence Directorate.[8][9]

[Israeli]

80. Best stick to politics

His military career is nothing special over here , Ehud Barak also served in Sayeret Matkal and is one of the most highly decorated soldiers in Israel's history.
Now look at what they are doing to him .

Police say they’re probing former PM Barak’s call for widespread civil disobedience

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/police-say-theyre-probing-former-pm-baraks-call-for-widespread-civil-disobedience/

[PatSeg]

62. True, the leaders on both side

are indifferent to the suffering of innocent civilians. All they care about is power.

[Ninga]

52. Yes root cause took place Oct 7. Israel is billions

Of miles away from the root cause. Bibi is Israel's trump wanna be,

[LetMyPeopleVote]

71. No, we blame Bibi

Bibi is an asshole who is refusing to negotiate a cease fire because he does not want to go to trial for fraud

Bibi needs to go

Link to tweet

[yardwork]

74. He's part of the problem but not the root cause.

[FrankBooth]

18. The fuck he was

Joe is way smarter and more nuanced than the 'blame Israel first' idiots out there.

[BonnieJW]

31. Not Israelis

Netanyahu is the problem. Most Israelis hate him

[EarnestPutz]

36. You're absolutely right. My mistake. I usually do better and avoid blanket condemnations. Thank you.

[Israeli]

44. Yes we do

and have hated him for a very long time , on a personal level Ive hated him since
Rabins murder .

he is not the problem tho
its the religious right wing that he couldnt survive without that are the problem .

[BComplex]

54. Just like the problem we have here with the "evangelicals" who support trump.

"Religious extremist" needs to be listed as a serious mental disease. Religion in politics needs to be abolished world wide.

I'm totally not an "organized religion" person, but there are good people in a lot of churches who really want to do good acts, such as those taugt in the Bible or Quran or Vedas, etc. But the people who want to force other people to abide by a religious belief they have no relationship to, or to oppress people who don't believe the same thing, never ends well.

[magicarpet]

3. .

[Hekate]

4. I have a friend who calls Netanyahu "Israel's Trump; just trying to stay out of prison"

President Biden may be devoted to maintaining the existence of Israel, but he is nobody’s fool.

[multigraincracker]

5. Netanyahu is a trump clone.

Trying to stay out of jail.

[EX500rider]

29. If trump had served in a Special Forces unit for 5 years and was wounded in combat on multiple occasions

[Cha]

6. "Barked"? Pres Biden isn't his

Dog.

I know it’s not your language.

PJB Yelled at Netanyahu “Bullshit!!” Good !

[yorkster]

53. Barking at someone is not an uncommon

usage. Indicates forceful tone and anger.
Stronger and more controlled than yelling.

[Cha]

59. I disagree.

[yorkster]

79. Biden supports Israel, but is running out of

patience with Netanyahu, imho. So, he may have "barked" at him. I don't find it an offensive term. Maybe it's hyperbolic; we don't know, not having heard the conversation. But I wouldn't be surprised
if it was an apt description.

[Deep State Witch]

67. He Should Have

Introduced Commander to Bibi.

[Cha]

69. lol.. Now there's a "Bark"!

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Netanyahu is not a US ally

He does not want our democracy to continue.

[democratsruletheday]

15. Correct J2...BN is a POS

and a war criminal dozens of times over. Dangerous asshole to boot.

[Deuxcents]

26. I'm scared he's gonna pull us into a war of his making so we can bail him out. Thank you President Biden

For the straight talk to this man.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

72. Bibi is blocking a ceasefire deal and hostage release for his own political purposes

Link to tweet

[NoMoreRepugs]

12. Bibi is an abbreviation for lying bullshitter. Like the SlobFather you can't believe anything he says.

[LostOne4Ever]

14. That's the president I know and love!

Calling out all the malarkey and bullshit!!!

[brush]

16. I don't know who's more dangerous, Netanyahu escalating to keep the war going to stay out of jail, or...

or trump running for president to stay out of jail?

Netanyahu has just about run out of targets in flattened Gaza so he's gone into Lebanon and Iran which endangers a much wider war but keeps a war going and the 'looking-out-for-only-himself' warmonger Netanyahu out of jail as long as hostilities are going on.

Or is it trump who with his MAL docs case dismissed, his SCOTUS 6 justices having granted him immunity which guarantees the J6 coup attempt case won't go to trial until after the election, and if he wins it'll disappear, the Georgia case is also held up, and he's asking for his felony convictions to be dismissed also, and that just might go to

SCOTUS, and if trump wins, that frees up Putin to go ahead and
move into NATO territory as trump has said he doesn't give a fuck about NATO and will take the US out of it.

That of course threatens WWlll, as does Netanyahu's widening of the ME war.

We have to defeat trump, and I hope the people in Israel realize who they've got running their country, a megalomaniac out for himself, as much as trump is.

[onandup]

17. And the arms keep flowing

Lies to Joe, provokes a war, Bibi does as he damn well pleases.

[bluescribbler]

21. Uncle Jpe has run out of patience with Bibi.

He has also run out of fucks to give about his political future. Give 'em Hell, Joe!

[TheRickles]

23. And while he's giving 'em Hell, he should also shut off all military aid. Actions speak louder than words.

[joanbarnes]

22. Biden all out of f***ks. Love it.

Nuttyyahoo better watch out.

[wss2001]

24. When the war is over Netanyahu is gone

He knows when the war is over he will be run out of office. He will face the music with his legal troubles. Kinda like Trump who knows being in office is the only way he can deal with his legal whoas.

[Mosby]

25. I think this is disinfo.

Everyone is believing an Israeli tv station that has a history of making shit up.

[Celerity]

37. You are literally parroting the RW fascist Netanyahu's talking points

You said

I think this is disinfo. an Israeli tv station that has a history of making shit up

Well

"Stop bullshitting me," Biden barked at Netanyahu, per

@danawt

@BarakRavid

reports Biden told Netanyahu "US will protect Israel against Iran this time, but don't escalate again, we won't save you again."

Here are the sources:

Dana Weiss ( @danawt) works for Channel 12 (Hadashot), who are a legit major Israeli news channel.





Barak Ravid (@BarakRavid) is a political reporter for Axios, also legit

and here is Netanyahu attacking in the same way you are:

Netanyahu derides Israel’s top 2 TV news stations as ‘propaganda channels’

In fresh attack on media, PM says Channels 12 and 13 seek to ‘brainwash’ public into ousting him, installing ‘left-wing regime’; lawyers demand probe of leaks from investigations

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-calls-israels-largest-tv-news-broadcasters-propaganda-channels/

In a brazen new attack on the Israeli press, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on Wednesday called Israel’s two largest television news broadcasters, Channel 12 (Hadashot) and Channel 13, “propaganda channels” seeking to “brainwash” the public into ousting him and installing a “left-wing regime.”

In a Hebrew-language video posted to his Twitter account, Netanyahu said “Propaganda Channels 12 and 13 will try to brainwash you every night with unending false and distorted leaks” from his criminal investigations.

“Leaks from investigations are a criminal offense with a maximum three-year sentence!” Netanyahu said, but added: “For the media, all means are justified to force [the installing of] a left-wing regime against the will of the public. It won’t work if you don’t let them.” The public’s response, he said, should be “at the polling booth.”

At the same time as Netanyahu’s video was uploaded, his lawyers announced they had filed a complaint with Attorney General Avichai Mandelblit, demanding he open a criminal investigation into leaks from the criminal probes into the premier’s affairs.

[Israeli]

47. Yup

[AloeVera]

39. Axios too.

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/02/biden-netanyahu-call-israel-iran-hezbollah

[Mosby]

40. Axios and Barak Ravid have a history of slanted reporting about Israel.

https://www.camera.org/journalist/barak-ravid/

[AloeVera]

43. I would not listen to what CAMERA says.

From what I have read, CAMERA is an extreme pro-Israel lobby group with a definite right bias and a penchant for confusing advocacy with propaganda. Like MEMRI.

So as far as I'm concerned, if CAMERA says Axios has a bias against Israel, it just means Axios is doing its job of reporting facts.

[Israeli]

46. What !!!!!

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Come on Mosby

you dont like 972 magazine .....its too Leftist , ok I accept that .

you dont like Haaretz ....ok , I get that too .

you dont like the Israeli Times ......now that confused me .

But but channel 12 ....its the most popular news channel we have .

Who do you like ????

Channel 14 maybe .............

Channel 14 is often defined as politically biased towards the Israeli right-wing and far-right and is often favourable towards Benjamin Netanyahu. Knesset members from the Likud recommended watching Channel 14 because "it is a right-wing channel that appeals to a right-wing audience".[

Source : wikipedia

For Israeli broadcast news, this is far from common fare. But for Channel 14, a conservative channel sometimes likened to Fox News and officially known as Now 14, that’s kind of the point. This is a 24-hour news station that’s always on, except on Shabbat. The channel inhabits a milieu in which Jewish Orthodox garb and mores are standard — few anchors, presenters or reporters appear without a head covering — and in which Netanyahu remains a political hero.

source : https://www.timesofisrael.com/repositioned-news-channel-14-aims-for-mainstream-while-keeping-pro-netanyahu-script/

[Mosby]

56. The issue is that Israeli media doesn't maintain good journalistic standards

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This alleged dialog has not been confirmed by any named person. No one knows who this white house person is that claims they listened in on the call.

The dialog seems made up, Biden doesn't talk like that and yell at people.

Eta - I don't think Likud voters understand the amount of damage Bibi is doing to Israel's reputation. He has become a massive distraction because he's been demonized like no one I have ever seen, he's been compared to Stalin, Pol Pot on DU and in this thread it's claimed that he wants to destroy democracy. He's got to go. His presence is literally facilitating antisemitism and normalizing demonization of Jews.

2 edit I'm not suggesting that he is responsible for antisemitism, rather that he is an easy target for bigots. I generally believe that leaders need to make decisions based on the evidence and good analysis not popular opinion, but Bibi is clearly one of the most polarizing figures so far in the 21st century, and that only hurts Israel.

3rd edit - here's a perfect example. A made up attack on the Biden administration:

Link to tweet

[PatSeg]

64. "Biden doesn't talk like"

He may not talk like that often, but he has been known to be very direct and forceful when called for. I can totally picture Joe saying that to Netanyahu. I think Bibi has gotten on Joe's last nerve.

[Israeli]

81. Whatever Mosby

[Mosby]

88. Example of Jpost making shit up.

Link to tweet

It was such outlandish claim, designed to smear the democrats, that the owners took down the shit.

[Warpy]

30. Good, about time someone did that

At some point, we've got to get through to his enablers that we're not going to be the big dog in the front yard forever, not when that man is heading the government and picking fights he can't win.

He seems to think he can kill his way to security. Something has to get through to him that he can't.

[mountain grammy]

32. I confess to being a Biden fan for a long time

He coulld always make a deal.. Sometimes I think he went too far, but he got things done.

I'm sure liking the NFLTG Biden right now. Thanks Joe, I too would like to tell Netanyahu to stop bullshitting us!! right fucking now!!

[PatSeg]

63. Yeah, I love this Biden

Though he doesn't overuse it. This Joe comes out when it is absolutely necessary and people know he is serious. Netanyahu has played the U.S. for fools and suckers for years. He needs a firm hand.

[flying_wahini]

33. I hope Nety gets the message. Joe needs to stop all shipments of missles and whatever else he can pull

Out of Israel. It’s time Nety feels some heat.
He won’t listen until he has to.

[calimary]

42. I think you identified The Point about Netanyahu.

“He won’t listen until he has to.”

[msfiddlestix]

49. We have a problem discussing these matters objectively

"Nobody's right, if everybody's wrong" kind of a problem.
throw in an assortment of other quotes and cliches, mixed in with religious based ideologies and we have an explosive cocktail of deadly poison.

[Bucky]

55. Netanyahu wants a wider war. It'll keep him in power longer

And after all, he's mostly only killing Palestinians. Well, also dozens of Israeli troops & hostages. Totally worth it in his estimation.

After all, what date the Palestinians gonna do about it? Grow up to be the next generation of terrorists? That's somebody else's problem!

[LetMyPeopleVote]

73. Consensus grows that Netanyahu isn't working in Israel's interest.

Bibi is blocking a cease fire and hostage release for his own political purposes. President Biden was calling out Bibi for these tactics

Link to tweet

[BattleRow]

65. Criminals are not motivated

by right or wrong..but what they are allowed to get aw ay with.

[AntiFascist]

66. Netanyahu obviously loves keeping Israel in harms way and extending the war as long as possible...

it keeps him in power and his far-right supporters continue rallying around him.

[moniss]

68. There seems to be a new level of anger in Israel

over the killing of the Hamas chief and the likelihood it makes any deal even further off. I think he doesn't want a deal and the release of hostages more than he wants some sort of conflagration and then declaring "victory". He is obviously moving the goalposts to buy more time for the military actions and to a degree it is a tactic used by the other side also because delay means more dead, starving etc. and condemnation of Israel.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

70. Bibi has to be voted out

Link to tweet

[HeartsCanHope]

78. I lived in Israel for a year .

My husband's job took us to Israel for a year, (1995-1996). Netanyahu was problem even back then. I think he faced some sort of corruption scandal even back then. He wanted a hard line stance against the PLO and Rabin wanted to work for peace. I will admit that is a rather simplistic view, but that's how it was explained to me by some of my Israeli friends. The year I was there Rabin was assassinated. Heartbreaking.
The thing I remember the most was that the diverse groups of people there mostly got along. There were sucide bombings and occasionally a few shells lobbed in, but that was it. I am not Jewish, so I was an observer, and didn't have the right to an opinion either way. That was how it seemed to me, though.
IMHO the course Netanyahu is taking will only lead to more conflict. Of course Israel must defend their citizens, but escalation is suicide. They are surrounded on all sides by hostile countries just itching to jump in a fight. Diplomacy is the only way to go. The U.S. has helped broker peace in the past, but we can only help if Netanyahu helps the situation by only defending Israel--not provoking a full Middle East war. Finding a balance is the key.
The Israelis are very warm, generous, kind and loving people. Many of the people I met there are gone now. I wonder what they would think of the situation today. I have to believe they would want a lasting peace and that is what I want for the Israelis today. A lasting peace and safety for all their citizens.

[Israeli]

82. Thank you .

Your post is very much appreciated .

[HeartsCanHope]

83. You're very welcome.

The year I spent in Israel had a very big effect on my life. I am so grateful for the experience. Take care, my friend, and be safe and well.

[Israeli]

84. We live in hope

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=hatikva+the+hope&mid=EE32752359E7C50CBB0CEE32752359E7C50CBB0C&FORM=VIRE