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kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:14 PM Aug 2024

This stock market falling today is so obvious that Wall Street realizes Harris is ahead and they were counting

On the Corporate Tax cutter loser convicted felon to win.

I worked in the stock market industry from 1978 to 2013. And I can tell you even then repukes controlled the markets and are freaking out now that they are not going to get their way having unregulated markets. They want those crypto and bitcoin markets to rip off people and make money off them.

I would bet the orange maggot is rooting for the market to drop and the start of a recession so he can run on it the last 90 days.

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This stock market falling today is so obvious that Wall Street realizes Harris is ahead and they were counting (Original Post) kimbutgar Aug 2024 OP
More likely a correction of overvalued tech/AI stocks. Ocelot II Aug 2024 #1
It's actually because of Japan and other world markets. jimfields33 Aug 2024 #5
True, it's not politics; it's bigger than that. Ocelot II Aug 2024 #8
UK's economy is also in the tank. haele Aug 2024 #11
people don't pay attention to financial news. WarGamer Aug 2024 #13
They do if they have 401Ks, pensions or other investments. Ocelot II Aug 2024 #14
even most people who do... are clueless. WarGamer Aug 2024 #20
I'm not an economist but I think you're right spooky3 Aug 2024 #29
Largest daily point drops in DOW history: LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2024 #2
Wow today looks tame by those past days under the convicted felon kimbutgar Aug 2024 #4
And guess what? He lost!!!!! jimfields33 Aug 2024 #7
COVID was a crazy time to be trading... I'll never forget. WarGamer Aug 2024 #21
Where are those in a percentage basis? A HERETIC I AM Aug 2024 #25
Percentage is a much more reasonable way to measure. Self Esteem Aug 2024 #28
Yup. Thanks for that. A HERETIC I AM Aug 2024 #32
THAT is a great post. Scrivener7 Aug 2024 #30
As I was wondering. . . Mme. Defarge Aug 2024 #3
More like a demand that the fed cut rates. Voltaire2 Aug 2024 #6
My personal take is that the Fed has become as politicized as has the SCOTUS. PeaceWave Aug 2024 #9
I agree that's a major contributor to today's drop crazylikafox Aug 2024 #10
AI Tech overvalued, Japan raising interest rates (and the big stock market selloff there), and yes, a Kamala win Metaphorical Aug 2024 #12
While TS is getting hammered and is down almost 2/3 since its 52 week high, with a stock price in the mid-high $20s it kelly1mm Aug 2024 #18
Agree With Most Of You Post ProfessorGAC Aug 2024 #22
it always fascinates me that people invested in markets always freak out when there is a correction, ImNotGod Aug 2024 #15
Exactly I have a few investments in stock funds and haven't sold them in years and I still am in positive territory and kimbutgar Aug 2024 #16
Speculators chasing an AI bubble Thunderbeast Aug 2024 #17
Also a whole lot of technobros selling off stocks to recoup GoCubsGo Aug 2024 #33
It's the low jobs report liberalmediaaddict Aug 2024 #19
Democrats bring prosperity C_U_L8R Aug 2024 #23
It's a ACTUALLY just a reaction to the Japanese yen strengthening DFab420 Aug 2024 #24
Yeah because 40 years of Wall St stealing all our money worked so well didn't it? Initech Aug 2024 #26
This is your best analysis after 35y in the industry? TheProle Aug 2024 #27
Things are happening so fast these days and the stock market is so easily manipulated kimbutgar Aug 2024 #31
No I don't think so. emulatorloo Aug 2024 #34
It really makes more sense to focus on multi-day trends spooky3 Aug 2024 #35
 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
5. It's actually because of Japan and other world markets.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:28 PM
Aug 2024

So silly to say politics is playing into this unless you think Japan is tanking their economy to help a presidential election.

Ocelot II

(130,538 posts)
8. True, it's not politics; it's bigger than that.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:29 PM
Aug 2024

Certainly the Asian markets but overvalued tech stocks are part of it.

haele

(15,404 posts)
11. UK's economy is also in the tank.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:38 PM
Aug 2024

China and Russia aren't doing too well either.
Not to mention we were due for a tech stock correction.
One would think companies spent all last year ramping up AI analysis to run Wall Street more "efficiently" than human financial analyst and it wasn't really as efficient as they thought it would be.

Wall Street is like a casino, after all. One never knows what the future of their investment is going to be, or even if it will come to fruition.

Unless they cheat the system.

Haele

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
13. people don't pay attention to financial news.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:41 PM
Aug 2024

1) Jobs Report.

2) Interest Rates

3) Imminent war in the Middle East

4) Global markets

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
20. even most people who do... are clueless.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:16 PM
Aug 2024

I have 2/3 of those and am a daily trader...

I know exactly what's up and it's not cyclical.

Interest rates too high too long, imminent war and Global markets.

The fact that the market was overextended just makes the issue worse.

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
29. I'm not an economist but I think you're right
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:58 PM
Aug 2024

about these factors.

I also think the market often overreacts to bad news and that it will come back fairly soon.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,870 posts)
2. Largest daily point drops in DOW history:
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:18 PM
Aug 2024


2020-03-16 −2,997.10 TRUMP
2020-03-12 −2,352.06 TRUMP
2020-03-09 −2,013.76 TRUMP
2020-06-11 -1,861.82 TRUMP
2020-03-11 −1,464.94 TRUMP
2020-03-18 −1,338.46 TRUMP
2020-02-27 −1,190.95 TRUMP
2018-02-05 −1,175.21 TRUMP
2018-02-08 −1,032.89 TRUMP
2020-02-24 −1,031.61 TRUMP
2020-04-01 −973.65 TRUMP
2020-03-05 −969.58 TRUMP
2020-03-27 −915.39 TRUMP
2020-02-25 −879.44 TRUMP
2020-02-25 −879.44 TRUMP
2018-10-10 −831.83 TRUMP
2019-08-14 −800.49 TRUMP
2018-12-04 −799.36 TRUMP
2020-03-03 -785.91 TRUMP

At least Trump is #1 at something.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
4. Wow today looks tame by those past days under the convicted felon
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:25 PM
Aug 2024

Sadly his magaloons will never see or hear about the drops under the convicted felon reign of terror.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
21. COVID was a crazy time to be trading... I'll never forget.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:17 PM
Aug 2024

Like shooting fish in a barrel just buy puts in the morning and stack cash by lunch

A HERETIC I AM

(24,876 posts)
25. Where are those in a percentage basis?
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:49 PM
Aug 2024

For the record, what I am about to say is in NO WAY a defense of Trumpy and his complete lack of financial acumen.

I was a stock broker from September, 2006 to July of '09 which pretty much encompassed the worst months of the Great Recession. The market peaked about a year after I got my Series 7 and bottomed out about 6 weeks after Obama said "So Help Me God" on the west side of the Capital.

There were many, many days of wild selloffs and massive swings in the market, one day where it fell over 1000 points at the open but by the closing bell had finished up 100 points, so there was in excess of a 2100 point swing in the 6 and a half hours of trading. I had a trading platform on my desktop covering two screens that would show trade settlements and second by second valuations of any exchange and any security you had a CUSIP for. I recall numerous days where the final valuation for the DJIA was not completely settled until 4:45 PM, three quarters of an hour after the closing bell because the volume was so unbelievably high.


I remember one specific day where I got a notification that pre-market trading was suspended because the market was "limit down", meaning the trading volume was so high and the futures were in such a selloff that the New York Stock Exchange basically told everyone to knock it off. I worked with my older brother, a veteran of over 25 years in the business at that point who had been on a floor when the 1987 panic happened. When he came in the office about 9 AM I asked him if he had heard what was going on. He said "No, what?"

"The market is limit down" I said.


"Holy shit" was all he said as he walked to his office.



Nothing anywhere close to that happened during Trumpy's administration and today will be a minor blip in the stock markets long upward climb.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
28. Percentage is a much more reasonable way to measure.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:57 PM
Aug 2024

The dow was at like 10,000 when Clinton left office. A 1,000 point drop would have been catastrophic. Of course as the dow is now above 30,000, a bigger drop is to be expected.

FWIW, the biggest percentage drop happened in 1987 at 22.61%

Out of the 20 largest percentage drops, Trump has one: March, 2020 at 7.79.

We're nowhere near that with today's numbers but also, Trump isn't the holder of all the top drops if you go by percentage.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
6. More like a demand that the fed cut rates.
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:28 PM
Aug 2024

And also as others have mentioned, no visible revenue from the massive ai investment by assorted huge tech companies.

Metaphorical

(2,634 posts)
12. AI Tech overvalued, Japan raising interest rates (and the big stock market selloff there), and yes, a Kamala win
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:41 PM
Aug 2024

Trump really gains nothing by the markets going down - he loses money on TS (which is fast entering penny stock territory) and other investments, he doesn't want to draw attention to Harris' momentum, and HE appointed Powell in the first place. It won't stop him from ranting about the markets, but it hurts Trump more than it does Kamala.

 

kelly1mm

(5,756 posts)
18. While TS is getting hammered and is down almost 2/3 since its 52 week high, with a stock price in the mid-high $20s it
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:06 PM
Aug 2024

is nowhere near penny stock levels. It still has a market cap of over $5 Billion the President Trump's share in the high 2B range. And that is with almost no cash investment from him ..... pretty sweet con, errr gig if you can get it!

ProfessorGAC

(76,706 posts)
22. Agree With Most Of You Post
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:27 PM
Aug 2024

But, penny stock territory? It's well over $26 right now.
Sure, that's less than half of what it was 3 months ago, but I can't agree that 26&1/2 bucks is a penny stock.
https://www.cnbc.com/quotes/DJT

ImNotGod

(1,194 posts)
15. it always fascinates me that people invested in markets always freak out when there is a correction,
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:50 PM
Aug 2024

its amateur hour, they shouldn't even be invested if they don't understand what goes up must come down, especially when an obvious bubble has formed.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
16. Exactly I have a few investments in stock funds and haven't sold them in years and I still am in positive territory and
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:53 PM
Aug 2024

Haven’t lost money.

Thunderbeast

(3,819 posts)
17. Speculators chasing an AI bubble
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 02:55 PM
Aug 2024

The S&P 500 has had most of it's gains from the "Magnificent Seven" securities that are far outperforming the market based on expectations of future growth rather than current operating profits.

We should not be surprised that the equity market is correcting. Bond holders will benefit as demand soars for fixed securities and interest rates fall.

Yet another lesson on managing assets with a balanced portfolio.

GoCubsGo

(34,915 posts)
33. Also a whole lot of technobros selling off stocks to recoup
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:11 PM
Aug 2024

their their cash supply, after losing their asses when Bitcoin crashed last week.

liberalmediaaddict

(998 posts)
19. It's the low jobs report
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:13 PM
Aug 2024

And the federal reserve didn't lower interest rates.

That's all it takes to spook the market. They get a wiff of a possible economic downturn and freakout.

That's why most Presidents don't run on the success of
the stock market. It can change overnight

Trump found that out in 2020.

The concerning thing is that Trump is celebrating this development and rooting for a
recession. Who knows what he'll do behind the scenes to wreck the economy before the election.

C_U_L8R

(49,386 posts)
23. Democrats bring prosperity
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:27 PM
Aug 2024

And we've proven that over and over again.

If Republicans had any brains, they vote Democratic too.

DFab420

(2,951 posts)
24. It's a ACTUALLY just a reaction to the Japanese yen strengthening
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 03:30 PM
Aug 2024

That’s all. It’s a correction well overdue from the Japanese stock market that is rippling through the global trade markets.

That’s literally it.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
31. Things are happening so fast these days and the stock market is so easily manipulated
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 04:02 PM
Aug 2024

I saw it begin in the 90’s when Clinton got rid of the Glass Siegel act. Which caused more volatility and events happening today. As I said, I quit that industry 11 years ago. The people I know who are still involved said it’s crazier now. Even back then also the majority of the people working in the industry were repukes like today and they are nervous Nellie’s!

spooky3

(38,634 posts)
35. It really makes more sense to focus on multi-day trends
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:35 PM
Aug 2024

Rather than one day drops/increases.

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