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Shapiro will be Veep Pick (Original Post) Buttoneer Aug 2024 OP
We'll see tomorrow. Might tighten the MI race. brush Aug 2024 #1
Walz would tighten as much if not more. LizBeth Aug 2024 #2
Why would Walz tighten race? tia uponit7771 Aug 2024 #7
The large Muslim demographic there and the protests. Could be a factor. brush Aug 2024 #22
Why would Shapiro? Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #33
Don't know, none of the negatives seem high for any of them ... I like Kelly uponit7771 Aug 2024 #45
Why, he hasn't taken the same stance on the Gaza war? brush Aug 2024 #8
Tim Walz has the same stance on Gaza as Kamala Harris Gaytano70 Aug 2024 #27
Tighten it? She's further ahead in MI than any other battleground. lees1975 Aug 2024 #18
The large Muslim population there, the Gaza war protesters. brush Aug 2024 #23
We just need to win statewide JI7 Aug 2024 #37
Not to worry. Tim Walz is the pick. brush Aug 2024 #48
Yeah. Holding the rally in Pennsylvania ecstatic Aug 2024 #3
Exactly my thoughts. I live in HBG. Buttoneer Aug 2024 #5
I agree, although I think she scheduled that rally before she made her decision democrattotheend Aug 2024 #10
What?! Give up a strategic advantage for the campaign? yardwork Aug 2024 #30
Exactly. This isn't the rose ceremony on The Bachelor... pinkstarburst Aug 2024 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author Gaytano70 Aug 2024 #11
I disagree. Philadelphia is a good strategic place to make the announcement. yardwork Aug 2024 #29
She could just as well be pulling a deke Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #34
I hope you're right DavidDvorkin Aug 2024 #4
Why would Walz be a mistake? SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #13
My gut feeling is that he will come across as old DavidDvorkin Aug 2024 #16
He doesn't look too old SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #24
He comes off as very energetic. Young people love him JI7 Aug 2024 #25
Are you always that judgemental on people's looks? Emile Aug 2024 #26
My millennial kids wanted her to pick an older white man. yardwork Aug 2024 #31
Guts are wrong more often than not Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #36
The more I read about Walz, the more I like him pinkstarburst Aug 2024 #39
I guess Harris disagrees with you SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #42
The youth vote and Michigan will not be kind Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #35
Hope you didn't bet on it . . . John Shaft Aug 2024 #49
I was wrong, and I'm happy to say so DavidDvorkin Aug 2024 #51
And I don't know 🍿 and Cha Aug 2024 #6
Don't think so. chillfactor Aug 2024 #9
He was in congress before he got elected governor Sugarcoated Aug 2024 #15
On the other hand, having knowledge of Congress is a plus. yardwork Aug 2024 #32
I thought so until today kcr Aug 2024 #12
My money is on Walz but any of this group would be fabulous! 2 Meow Momma Aug 2024 #14
Walz is the most popular and qualified to be VP. Emile Aug 2024 #17
I think so also. The Pennsylvania advantage just seems too good JI7 Aug 2024 #19
Walz is ahead on Predictit iemanja Aug 2024 #20
49.7 to 45.5 Shapiro regains the lead nt DontBelieveEastisEas Aug 2024 #21
He posted this a few days ago on Instagram JI7 Aug 2024 #28
Shapiro will not be pro-Israel kansasobama Aug 2024 #40
nope John Shaft Aug 2024 #41
Nope indeed. Xavier Breath Aug 2024 #43
Didn't age well, BUT keeping a good Gov to term in a state that switches a lot, silver lining? Brainfodder Aug 2024 #44
Hope you didn't bet any money on this SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #46
This didn't age well lame54 Aug 2024 #47
nope! Buttoneer Aug 2024 #50
I like how you roll Buttoneer, well done irisblue Aug 2024 #52
This didn't age well. Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #53
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
22. The large Muslim demographic there and the protests. Could be a factor.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 03:25 AM
Aug 2024

Shapiro, not Walz.

Gaytano70

(1,231 posts)
27. Tim Walz has the same stance on Gaza as Kamala Harris
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 06:41 AM
Aug 2024
https://jewishinsider.com/2024/08/minnesota-gov-tim-walz-veepstakes-bid-progressive-kamala-harris/#:~:text=The%20situation%20in%20Gaza%20is,the%20evening%20of%20Super%20Tuesday.

“These are voters that are deeply concerned, as we all are. The situation in Gaza is intolerable, and I think trying to find a lasting, two state solution . . ."
 

brush

(61,033 posts)
23. The large Muslim population there, the Gaza war protesters.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 03:28 AM
Aug 2024

That just happens to be political reality. It could affect the race in Mi.

JI7

(93,577 posts)
37. We just need to win statewide
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:16 AM
Aug 2024

the high muslim population is mostly in certain distrcts. But the state has many areas and groups that lean democratic where we can try to get votes.

ecstatic

(35,074 posts)
3. Yeah. Holding the rally in Pennsylvania
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:30 PM
Aug 2024

I can't picture it not being him at this point. It would seem a little rude to pick someone else in his home state, wouldn't it? Not to mention, it's a state that we need, and there'd be a risk of pissing off voters there.

democrattotheend

(12,011 posts)
10. I agree, although I think she scheduled that rally before she made her decision
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:47 PM
Aug 2024

But yeah, it seems rude if it's not Shapiro. IMO it would have been better to start the tour in a neutral location unless she was already sure.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
30. What?! Give up a strategic advantage for the campaign?
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 07:42 AM
Aug 2024

The purpose of this campaign is not to crown a VP. It's to win the White House. I think some folks here may have lost sight of that.

Winning candidates don't choose sites based on the feelings of surrogates.

Response to ecstatic (Reply #3)

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
29. I disagree. Philadelphia is a good strategic place to make the announcement.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 07:39 AM
Aug 2024

PA is a must-win state and Philadelphia has lots of powerful symbolism. From what I hear, a lot of Pennsylvanians love Shapiro as their governor and won't be "pissed off" that he's not leaving them to be VP.

Whoever the VP pick is, I know Shapiro will be there as host to show full support for Harris.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
34. She could just as well be pulling a deke
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:07 AM
Aug 2024

A deke is a hockey term for a player pretending he'll do one thing to draw in the opposition, and then, when they commit to defending against it, the deker does something else entirely.

So Ms Harris could very well be having the rally in PA to make idiots (especially in the media) act like they're oh-so-sure she'll pick Shapiro, but, at the last second, she'll announce someone else.

it's just as likely as thinking the location of a rally means anything.

DavidDvorkin

(20,585 posts)
4. I hope you're right
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 10:31 PM
Aug 2024

The betting seems to be on Walz now, but I think that would be a mistake.

DavidDvorkin

(20,585 posts)
16. My gut feeling is that he will come across as old
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:31 PM
Aug 2024

He looks older than he is, and we need a youthful, energetic ticket. Harris/Shapiro would really fill that bill.

JI7

(93,577 posts)
25. He comes off as very energetic. Young people love him
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 06:29 AM
Aug 2024

but I do think it will be Shapiro who is my personal favorite.

yardwork

(69,352 posts)
31. My millennial kids wanted her to pick an older white man.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 07:44 AM
Aug 2024

They're very relieved and happy that Biden ceded to Kamala, and they think it would be strategic for her to choose someone like Walz.

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
36. Guts are wrong more often than not
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:16 AM
Aug 2024

Rational thinking is a far better predictor.

We know that some of the youth who are most likely to be politically engaged would find Shapiro an unacceptable choice. I don't agree with their tactics or their simplistic ideas about a complex problem, but alienating a pool of very likely voters doesn't seem like a smart thing.

Michigan could also be in trouble with him on the ticket because he'd probably alienate the Muslim vote there, and they have been the difference between victory and defeat for many a Democratic candidate there.

And knock off the ageist rhetoric about how old he 'looks'--TO YOU. It's ugly, vacuous and unnecessary. Did you say the same thing about Biden when he was the VP choice in 2008? He looked older and was older at the time, so if you didn't have a problem then, you have no leg to stand on with criticizing Walz for it now.

pinkstarburst

(2,020 posts)
39. The more I read about Walz, the more I like him
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:46 AM
Aug 2024

My first preference is Buttigieg, but if it can't be him, I would really like Walz as VP. I like that he was a teacher for 20 years. I like the bills he's signed into law as governor. I like his background.

I don't see him being "old" as being a negative necessarily. He's 60, the same age as Kamala. I actually like the idea that eight years from now, that this would more than likely open us up for a full democratic primary, where the younger generation would have a chance to step in and run for president, and voters would get a say.

DavidDvorkin

(20,585 posts)
51. I was wrong, and I'm happy to say so
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 03:49 PM
Aug 2024

I stated my honest opinion at the time and will always do so.

Sugarcoated

(8,240 posts)
15. He was in congress before he got elected governor
Mon Aug 5, 2024, 11:02 PM
Aug 2024

So there are votes on bills that can be distorted and attacked. They will make hay of the way he handled the George Floyd protests

JI7

(93,577 posts)
19. I think so also. The Pennsylvania advantage just seems too good
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 01:30 AM
Aug 2024

and the VP has known Shapiro for a long time so I think she knows she can work well with him.

kansasobama

(1,750 posts)
40. Shapiro will not be pro-Israel
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:55 AM
Aug 2024

He will be pro-peace, which defends Israel as Biden-Harris work on a peace deal. No one wants Gaza razed to ground. Hamas did attack Israel. Both Hamas and Netanyahu are at fault. Hamas for attacking and Netanyahu for overreacting for his own political reasons. We should stop this pro-Gaza or pro-Israel divisions. We are pro-peace. And we do not want dictatorship in US to oppose Gaza policy. Tlaib should look at the big picture

Xavier Breath

(6,639 posts)
43. Nope indeed.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:09 AM
Aug 2024

Glad she went with Walz. I wanted Pete, but I'm now curious to see what will be next for him. SoS, maybe? Governor of Michigan? He has a lot of options.

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
44. Didn't age well, BUT keeping a good Gov to term in a state that switches a lot, silver lining?
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:11 AM
Aug 2024

irisblue

(37,465 posts)
52. I like how you roll Buttoneer, well done
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 03:56 PM
Aug 2024

I was myself until last Friday hoping for Kelly.

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