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OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:27 PM Aug 2024

In my 23 years on DU.....

there has never been a time when I've seen this enthusiasm and cohesiveness on this board - and with the Party in general, that I can remember.

#1 Thanks is to our President, Joe Biden, for kicking ass in 2020....and then pass the torch to Kamala for 2024....like a couple of Olympic relay runners. Joe will be remembered as maybe the most important President of the 21st Century.

#2 Thanks to Kamala Harris for accepting the Democratic nomination for POTUS. You Madame, are ready to make history. And also....

#3 Thanks for picking Gov. Walz. He is the VP we need in 2025 and beyond.



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In my 23 years on DU..... (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 OP
I agree with you. Dem4life1970 Aug 2024 #1
Welcome, at long last! Picked a great time to share the enthusiasm Deuxcents Aug 2024 #4
Glad to see you take the next step and join in the convo! OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #9
I agree this is the happiest i've been since the night Obama won in two thousand eight Tribetime Aug 2024 #2
Me too, Tribe SARose Aug 2024 #5
I might even be happier than I was that night, evolves Aug 2024 #50
I agree about the unity but hope Kamala Harris will be the most important president of ther 21st century. SharonClark Aug 2024 #3
Maybe a string of Dem presidents who bring us into the 21st century. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #7
We need JJ101 Aug 2024 #52
An improvement over 21st century Republicans' scheme to return us to the 18th century. jaxexpat Aug 2024 #66
She will be hailed as the one who broke that last glass ceiling. calimary Aug 2024 #73
Well said calimary! OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #74
So much is at stake, we must win this election. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #6
Couldn't agree more with your thoughts. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #10
Thank you OAITW. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #11
Yep, we have to defeat the fascists...again. brush Aug 2024 #13
The fight between good and evil will never be finished. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #14
John Steinbeck in a letter to Hannah Arendt... alterfurz Aug 2024 #69
"...that it does't die." Absolutely, even with a stake thru the heaart. We have continue beat them back. brush Aug 2024 #71
Steinbeck got it.Republicans will need to ban his thoughts as well. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #75
Are the cats corralled? luvallpeeps Aug 2024 #8
I did not expect AT ALL to be this stoked! Don't think that won't make a difference with Harris and her crew. Imagine brewens Aug 2024 #12
Boggles the mind how the Democrats have totally changed the Party mindset. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #15
It's time to make trump a TWO-TIME loser. Oh, it'll be glorious. brush Aug 2024 #16
But that ego will have him declare he won and announce a 2028 run to con the idiots out of their money! kimbutgar Aug 2024 #26
Oh yeah, it's going to get ugly. ShazzieB Aug 2024 #39
He was President at the time. In control of the response to the Insurrectionists. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #42
Yes, being potus gave him a lot of power that he doesn't have now. ShazzieB Aug 2024 #45
Trump lived the most privileged type of life. markodochartaigh Aug 2024 #60
Difference from going from desperate to happy.... everything good in our world. A fight maybe, LizBeth Aug 2024 #17
True. Was whiplash. And I moonscape Aug 2024 #68
Right right right... lol. They rolled it out perfectly. LizBeth Aug 2024 #70
Yes GusBob Aug 2024 #18
I was one..... OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #20
I was not GusBob Aug 2024 #23
"called all sorts of untrue names, and having posts removed." OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #37
Seriously, like 6 weeks ago, I was at the point where I wanted nothing to do with the election. Initech Aug 2024 #19
About 4 weeks ago, I stopped watching MSNBC. Best thing I could do for my sanity at that point. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #21
I personally haven't watched network news in like 15 years. Initech Aug 2024 #30
Me too. And I feel like I haven't missed a damn thing on Network TV. And I was getting tired of the SWBTATTReg Aug 2024 #65
Be honest though.... OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #76
I agree so much with the top post ... Jarqui Aug 2024 #22
Thanks for the reply my friend. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #28
Excellent analogy with President Biden passing the torch during the Olympics season! kimbutgar Aug 2024 #24
Joe Biden reached into the pit of Covid and saved us. KentuckyWoman Aug 2024 #25
Joe set the table. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #31
Kicking this! Hekate Aug 2024 #27
#4 Thanks to Joe Biden for waiting until Trump had picked a running mate before stepping down. Trump would have surely Doodley Aug 2024 #29
Truly sad for Trump's unfortunate political timing. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #32
The energy and optimism is wonderful, let's keep it up, strengthen appalachiablue Aug 2024 #33
Hear, hear!!!! MayReasonRule Aug 2024 #34
Rec 10000! nt AKwannabe Aug 2024 #35
the literal hearding of the cats southmost Aug 2024 #36
I remember similar enthusiasm with Obama, but maybe some have forgotten due to the constant obstruction, hate speech, Martin68 Aug 2024 #38
It's a revival...that feeling of hope that's been dormant since 2016. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #48
Agreed Pas-de-Calais Aug 2024 #40
I was pissed about the way... 2naSalit Aug 2024 #41
It's like a Spockian Mindmeld. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #44
I hear ya! 2naSalit Aug 2024 #62
Yes! onecaliberal Aug 2024 #43
I think the difference is... Skittles Aug 2024 #46
It is SO exciting! riverkittenDem Aug 2024 #47
Welcome on board! OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #49
Every reason to be optimistic! Aussie105 Aug 2024 #51
I love Joe, but I'm glad he chose Kamala to take the reins rhiannon55 Aug 2024 #53
Yeah this is what real unity looks like. Not that fake shit they were GoodRaisin Aug 2024 #54
100%! KPN Aug 2024 #55
And yet, just three weeks ago I seemed to be on jury duty more than I was online! Conjuay Aug 2024 #56
So true yankee87 Aug 2024 #57
Sad to see Joe go! Aussie105 Aug 2024 #58
I am sure of that. Kamala - Tim - Joe - Barack , that's a lot of institutional knowledge to draw from OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #61
I concur, and Yes! Very Well Said! msfiddlestix Aug 2024 #59
I agree. I have been here since 2002 and it is a definitely not like it was before FlyingPiggy Aug 2024 #63
Detroit reporting. Kid Berwyn Aug 2024 #64
Always appreciate your posts here. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #77
MORE than when Obama ran in 2008? democratsruletheday Aug 2024 #67
2008 was great, but.... OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #78
This is a 2nd great week in a row. But hang on... Bucky Aug 2024 #72
Stay tuned, Bucky! OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #79
Let's give bdamomma Aug 2024 #80
Yes! Even in the Bush election stealing heydays here we weren't this united Blaukraut Aug 2024 #81
Agree with you on ALL counts!! InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2024 #82

SARose

(1,831 posts)
5. Me too, Tribe
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:31 PM
Aug 2024

The night we voted for Obama, the turnout in our precinct was extraordinary. People were happy, smiling and hopeful.

I feel the same energy tonight.

SharonClark

(10,497 posts)
3. I agree about the unity but hope Kamala Harris will be the most important president of ther 21st century.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:31 PM
Aug 2024
 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
66. An improvement over 21st century Republicans' scheme to return us to the 18th century.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 04:45 PM
Aug 2024

calimary

(89,967 posts)
73. She will be hailed as the one who broke that last glass ceiling.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:22 PM
Aug 2024

And she’ll just have gotten started!

I had high hopes for Hillary. And she DID win the popular vote. Kamala is a younger sister-in-arms, and I’m betting she even wins the Electoral College.

These are exciting times that I’m VERY glad and grateful that I’m alive to see!

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
74. Well said calimary!
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:38 PM
Aug 2024


She's just getting started. The wind is on her back. Make the change happen Kamala!

Irish_Dem

(81,189 posts)
6. So much is at stake, we must win this election.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:32 PM
Aug 2024

For the future of our country and the American people.

Yes we must thank our Dem leadership for the courage and wisdom to give
us the team we need at this time.

It's all hands on deck time.

We won't go back.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
10. Couldn't agree more with your thoughts.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:37 PM
Aug 2024

Always enjoy reading your thoughtful and insightful posts!

On edit - I am spending $ this cycle to support Democracy.

Irish_Dem

(81,189 posts)
14. The fight between good and evil will never be finished.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:47 PM
Aug 2024

It is the iconic and defining event of humankind.

A constant across the centuries.

alterfurz

(2,681 posts)
69. John Steinbeck in a letter to Hannah Arendt...
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 05:58 PM
Aug 2024

...written just months before she arrived in New York as a refugee from Nazi Germany: “All the goodness and the heroisms will rise up again, then be cut down again and rise up. It isn’t that the evil thing wins — it never will — but that it doesn’t die.”

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
71. "...that it does't die." Absolutely, even with a stake thru the heaart. We have continue beat them back.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:02 PM
Aug 2024
 

brewens

(15,359 posts)
12. I did not expect AT ALL to be this stoked! Don't think that won't make a difference with Harris and her crew. Imagine
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:41 PM
Aug 2024

the difference. Be a miserable piece of shit working for Trump with the losing, defeat, finger pointing, abuse and suspicion vs kicking ass and taking names for Harris and Walz! Keep it up and we can't lose.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
15. Boggles the mind how the Democrats have totally changed the Party mindset.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 08:48 PM
Aug 2024

And it all started with the man who was big enough to say, "it makes sense". Thanks Joe.

kimbutgar

(27,241 posts)
26. But that ego will have him declare he won and announce a 2028 run to con the idiots out of their money!
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:31 PM
Aug 2024

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
39. Oh yeah, it's going to get ugly.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:52 PM
Aug 2024

But this time, the country is going to be ready for it. He had the advantage of surprise when he refused to concede in 2020, but in 2024, we'll all be expecting it.

I think the Orange Hellbeast is going to be taken aback by the reaction he gets this time. Instead of people gasping and going "What did I just hear?" when he claims he won, he'll get eyerolls and "Sure, Don."

We've all seen this movie before, and we know how it ends. He won't be able to control the narrative this time.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
42. He was President at the time. In control of the response to the Insurrectionists.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 10:01 PM
Aug 2024

Obviously, as leader, he failed. He's not President this time. And I imagine Joe Biden has "0" fucks to give to Donald Trump's Loser-Pa-Loser. The reaction to folks not accepting the results of the election outcome won't be getting support from the WH.

ShazzieB

(22,568 posts)
45. Yes, being potus gave him a lot of power that he doesn't have now.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 10:06 PM
Aug 2024

Joe controls the levers of power this time, and I'm sure he's going to be ready to respond appropriately. Probably already making plans.

I am seriously not worried. Whatever Cheetoh tries, the country will be ready for it.

markodochartaigh

(5,543 posts)
60. Trump lived the most privileged type of life.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:20 PM
Aug 2024

Born with more money than most people earn in our whole lives, he never heard "no", never had to learn the experience of people resisting him or his ideas. And because of his unusual psychiatric problems he didn't have the insight to understand that people were not agreeing with him, not respecting him, but agreeing with and respecting his money.
And this orange cancer metastasized throughput the Republican party because their corpulent moral rot provided the ideal substrate.
The Republicans opened their gates to this cancerous Trojan horse and welcomed him in. Let's hope that the collapse of the Republican party leaves them unable to exert significant control over anything until they affirm that their most supreme principle is a commitment to democracy.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
17. Difference from going from desperate to happy.... everything good in our world. A fight maybe,
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:00 PM
Aug 2024

but a much easier one. Son and I talking about this today.

moonscape

(5,715 posts)
68. True. Was whiplash. And I
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 05:38 PM
Aug 2024

am thrilled at how wrong I was believing this could not happen, that if Joe dropped out we were doomed. But the despair was a gut fear that we wouldn‘t win, that we could not recover from the debate and lack of enthusiasm.

When he withdrew I sent a screenshot to a couple of friends with f*** - because I thought was were screwed. First reaction back was not thinking Kamala could win, that it would all be divisive, but then there was … an explosion! A tsunami! Hope! Joy!

A memory for the ages.

LizBeth

(11,222 posts)
70. Right right right... lol. They rolled it out perfectly.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:01 PM
Aug 2024

My first was fug... but then I had been listening to young voters too long that I was relieved he stepped out and watched what Sunday, them roll it out and so so so impressed. I had friends like you upset and I was sending htem all the upbeat and positive cause I wanted them excited not upset. It truly was a once in a lifetime

And now.... youth got what they want and they are beholden to get their ass out to vote and bring a friend.

GusBob

(8,246 posts)
18. Yes
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:06 PM
Aug 2024

It seems to me some thanks are due and maybe some apologies too

To the Dem leaders, donors and representatives who were recommending JB step aside

A lot of them were thrown under the bus by more than a few DUers

Thanks for the heads up and sorry for the harsh words

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
20. I was one.....
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:13 PM
Aug 2024

when word came down that Joe was not going to run, I was pissed for like 15 minutes. Personally, I think Joe Biden would have kicked Trump's ass for a 2nd time. But this move to Harris was brilliant and obviously has energized the Democratic Party to a point I haven't seen since Obama. So, let it shine!

GusBob

(8,246 posts)
23. I was not
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:24 PM
Aug 2024

There is a lesson in all of this. Folks are allowed to have a difference of opinion. Without being thrown under the bus, called all sorts of untrue names, and having posts removed.

Or at least they should be allowed in an open discussion forum

Especially when it turns out to be the right thing for our country

Think about it

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
37. "called all sorts of untrue names, and having posts removed."
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:44 PM
Aug 2024

Not me. I made my opinion known with some of the early proponents (like Adam Schiff), but I never engaged in insults with DUers supporting them.

Initech

(108,716 posts)
19. Seriously, like 6 weeks ago, I was at the point where I wanted nothing to do with the election.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:13 PM
Aug 2024

Like I'd rather chew glass than watch 5 minutes of fucking Trump barf his brain while Fox News fawns over him like he's the supreme ruler of the world.

Now I'm loving watching Kamala kick ass and take names, while Trump nominates the weirdest and most awkward guy in the United States, surrounds himself with neo Nazis and ass kissers, and his campaign is crashing and burning.

Pass the popcorn. It's going to be fun watching MAGA and Fox self destruct.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
21. About 4 weeks ago, I stopped watching MSNBC. Best thing I could do for my sanity at that point.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:17 PM
Aug 2024

Upside is more painting and mowing and landscaping...so, not all bad. Now, I fear I will get sucked back into watching MSNBC again.

Initech

(108,716 posts)
30. I personally haven't watched network news in like 15 years.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:34 PM
Aug 2024

And honestly I don't miss it one bit.

SWBTATTReg

(26,253 posts)
65. Me too. And I feel like I haven't missed a damn thing on Network TV. And I was getting tired of the
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 02:49 PM
Aug 2024

Corporate News scene, where they filter out what they wanted me to see.

No more. I'll never go back ...

Take care!

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
76. Be honest though....
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 08:51 PM
Aug 2024

if you are completely cut off from the broadcast media....you probably count on DU to keep you current. And a lot of this content are clips of the moment, from the media.

Jarqui

(10,906 posts)
22. I agree so much with the top post ...
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:22 PM
Aug 2024

There is a vibe about this situation.
This is different.
The quiet resolve and unity is not really getting noticed or observed in the media that much but I'm really feeling it.

I think we collectively realize what is at stake.
There seem to be a lot more people responding positively to Dem positions on social media.

I was on social media for most of the day pounding away.
I feel that if I don't give it everything I've got, I won't forgive myself if we lose ... and then, I cycle on "we cannot lose - try harder!!"
What an awful place Trump had put us in ..
We HAVE to win the Oval Office, the Senate and the House and bury these bastards once and for all..

kimbutgar

(27,241 posts)
24. Excellent analogy with President Biden passing the torch during the Olympics season!
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:26 PM
Aug 2024

Thank you.

Tonight I feel more hopeful.

KentuckyWoman

(7,398 posts)
25. Joe Biden reached into the pit of Covid and saved us.
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:28 PM
Aug 2024

And I do mean that somewhat literally.

The legislature he got passed will benefit America for decades to come. Roads, bridges, schools, wind, solar, charging stations, batteries, computer chips, cheaper meds. None of that is glamorous. It's easy to even overlook the importance of it. But he put his head down and did the hard part of turning all the lights back on.

He and I are about the same age. Where he has found the energy for all of it baffles me. He's incredible to say the least.

The hand off is perfection. The timing after the RNC is pure genius.

Doodley

(11,888 posts)
29. #4 Thanks to Joe Biden for waiting until Trump had picked a running mate before stepping down. Trump would have surely
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:33 PM
Aug 2024

made a different pick, or even a woman, if he had seen Kamala Harris rise to the challenge as she has. Now he is stuck with Vance!

appalachiablue

(44,016 posts)
33. The energy and optimism is wonderful, let's keep it up, strengthen
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:38 PM
Aug 2024

democracy and crush fascism. Great post, thanks!

Martin68

(27,702 posts)
38. I remember similar enthusiasm with Obama, but maybe some have forgotten due to the constant obstruction, hate speech,
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:48 PM
Aug 2024

birtherism, and racism that incessantly tried to drive us down us during his candidacy and presidency. Obama was a low-key, thoughtful, brilliant speaker, and true progressive, who was the perfect antidote for the George W. Bush years. Kamala Harris is energetic, sharp, and exactly what we all need at this moment in time. Biden helped get us back on track after the disaster of Tump's term, and Harris will take us into the future beyond the nightmare of Trump and his cult of racist, misogynistic, theocratic, fascists.

2naSalit

(102,714 posts)
41. I was pissed about the way...
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 09:55 PM
Aug 2024

Joe was pushed to step aside, for a little more than 15 minutes but I was thrilled that Harris is the nominee since I would have voted for her in the primary had she still been on the ballot by the time we got to vote in June.

As for the energy, wow, I don't think we had this for Obama, not this jubilant. There was a lot of uncertainty about the first possible black president, this time, we are not going back AND we're not going to waste a lot of time looking back either.

Glad to see this ticket and the enthusiasm, people are tired of doom and gloom, fear and loathing, they want something more positive. It's hard, if not impossible, to move forward without a positive attitude. These two candidates glow with it and everyone is there to bask in it.

So, let's go win this thing.

Possibility abounds if we elect these two and a complement of like minded Congress members.

Skittles

(171,660 posts)
46. I think the difference is...
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 10:13 PM
Aug 2024

it's not just that we are for an historic candidate - we are against the fascist opposition

Aussie105

(7,907 posts)
51. Every reason to be optimistic!
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 10:36 PM
Aug 2024

We seem to be on the verge of a refresh of American politics.

Out with the old (Biden, Trump), out with the not yet convicted felon (Trump), in with fresh blood (Harris, Walz)!



rhiannon55

(2,786 posts)
53. I love Joe, but I'm glad he chose Kamala to take the reins
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 10:52 PM
Aug 2024

and I'm glad she chose Tim. I feel so relieved and happy at the way this is all turning out. There is no way tsf and his weird little mini-me can win. I can't stopped smiling!

GoodRaisin

(10,899 posts)
54. Yeah this is what real unity looks like. Not that fake shit they were
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 10:58 PM
Aug 2024

peddling at the Republican convention.

Conjuay

(3,063 posts)
56. And yet, just three weeks ago I seemed to be on jury duty more than I was online!
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:04 PM
Aug 2024

I guess 'the big tent' has a lot of wrinkles.

Aussie105

(7,907 posts)
58. Sad to see Joe go!
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:11 PM
Aug 2024

He joins an elite and small group of past Presidents who went above and beyond the call of duty.

But has he really 'gone'?
His experience and knowledge need not leave the Oval Office.

I bet there will be a few late night calls along the lines of 'What Would You Do, Joe?'

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
61. I am sure of that. Kamala - Tim - Joe - Barack , that's a lot of institutional knowledge to draw from
Tue Aug 6, 2024, 11:22 PM
Aug 2024

Awesome line-up of heavy hitters.

FlyingPiggy

(3,748 posts)
63. I agree. I have been here since 2002 and it is a definitely not like it was before
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 12:59 PM
Aug 2024

I think 2016 changed everything. It woke most people up to the realization that it is NOT politics as usual. We needed to adapt or perish.

democratsruletheday

(1,879 posts)
67. MORE than when Obama ran in 2008?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 05:30 PM
Aug 2024

I wasn't on this board back then but the Dems were on fire as I recall. WOW.....I'm PUMPED!

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
78. 2008 was great, but....
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 09:03 PM
Aug 2024

we had yet to deal with this sellout that is an ongoing national security risk. He owns the Party now' .and they are all in on destroying our Democracy. So, I do think there is greater positive energy that is braced with a general sense of urgency not to let Trump happen again..

Bucky

(55,334 posts)
72. This is a 2nd great week in a row. But hang on...
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 06:07 PM
Aug 2024

Things will get ugly soon enough, probably right after the convention.

We will be dealing with a cornered, rabid creature. Being down in the "fake" polls will turn some of them violent. Trump's increasingly hysterical language will trigger others. There will be blood.

There will be stepped up efforts at voter suppression, voter intimidation, and harassment of poll workers--some of it from Republican officials which been elected to oversee the "fair" election process.

This so far may be the kookiest election in my life time, but it's also like to be the most violent too

OAITW r.2.0

(32,116 posts)
79. Stay tuned, Bucky!
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 09:06 PM
Aug 2024

Actually, I think the GOP folds when the voters produce a Blue Wave that will stop their 2nd attempt, dead in the tracks.

bdamomma

(69,532 posts)
80. Let's give
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 09:09 PM
Aug 2024

the VP the spotlight she deserves!!!!!!!

We won't go back!!!! Plus, he's a convicted FELON.

Blaukraut

(5,998 posts)
81. Yes! Even in the Bush election stealing heydays here we weren't this united
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 09:13 PM
Aug 2024

I personally feel like I have whiplash. Going from worried, to angry about Joe being railroaded and stabbed in the back, to elated and hopeful and excited about Kamala and Tim. And nobody wants to argue with me! This is heaven

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