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pepperbear

(5,692 posts)
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:03 AM Aug 2024

I need to address this room elephant. I absolutely LOVE the VPs choice for running mate

I've been on this site since 2005, so I'm no lurker con. However I do have common sense and I know how this will play out if it isn't addressed soon.

There is an elephant in the room. It certainly isn't a secret, *and I'm sure that many on DU are aware*, but not many people outside of MN know about the fact that Tim Walz was arrested for drunk driving when he was 31. The charge was reduced to reckless driving, which probably won't matter because that part of the story won't be in the headline.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/tim-walz-democrat-vice-president-dui-b2592248.html

Of course it will be an issue. He will probably have to waste an entire news cycle answering for it. Better now than October. We all know the GOP has it, and that's no surprise as it's a matter of public record, along with his mugshot.

My plea: Governor Walz, the honeymoon is almost over. Please address it now, otherwise you're going to have to answer to trump's taunts of "Timmy the Drunk" throughout the campaign and the press will soil themselves with glee.

If you want to trash me for pointing this out and urging complete transparency, go ahead. But we know how stupid people can get during an election year.







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I need to address this room elephant. I absolutely LOVE the VPs choice for running mate (Original Post) pepperbear Aug 2024 OP
He'll deal with it the way he did when running for Congress and for governor. He fucked up and stopped drinking. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2024 #1
Yes. This won't affect anything. We've had presidents with DUI before. jimfields33 Aug 2024 #28
It was 30 years ago True Dough Aug 2024 #2
Nope. He had a debt to society, paid it, and saw to it that others who paid their debts Baltimike Aug 2024 #3
He also quit drinking completely back then. wnylib Aug 2024 #41
The Washington Post reported it yesterday near the top of the digital page to draw attention. Lonestarblue Aug 2024 #4
We've already had a 2 term president with a DUI. BannonsLiver Aug 2024 #5
Not to mention Bush's V.P. had multiple DUIs Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2024 #25
Damn. I never knew Cheney too. jimfields33 Aug 2024 #29
It's been known and dealt with long ago. Ocelot II Aug 2024 #6
I hope the Dems could successfully put up Walz "criminal record" against Trump's. Jim__ Aug 2024 #7
i appreciate the thread. ty Tetrachloride Aug 2024 #8
This isn't his first campaign. No way that this wasn't litigated. themaguffin Aug 2024 #9
Not Worried Sugarmaggie Aug 2024 #10
As elephants in the room go, this one is about the size of a hamster. Ocelot II Aug 2024 #11
Marty Walsh was on VP vetting team cally Aug 2024 #12
Vociferous opinion Bucky Aug 2024 #13
This has been mentioned many times when talking about JI7 Aug 2024 #14
...and that is when he stopped drinking... let's do some drug testing Orange Oaf, and frequently like before debates! Brainfodder Aug 2024 #15
IF they do, remind them that we are still waiting on TSF's college grades and Melania's apology presser! Brainfodder Aug 2024 #16
Not an elephant. H2O Man Aug 2024 #17
More like a hamster. yellowcanine Aug 2024 #38
wow, you really think THAT is an important issue??? Think. Again. Aug 2024 #18
Not one teensy bit less awesome! recovering_democrat Aug 2024 #19
It's already all over, and who cares obamanut2012 Aug 2024 #20
Good lord... A DUI 30 years ago that resulted in him giving up ALL alcohol? Really? hlthe2b Aug 2024 #21
Good point, but . . . hawkeye21 Aug 2024 #22
This is a ticket that will smack this down and redirect it right back to Guyliner and the Orange Man ms liberty Aug 2024 #23
I wish we'd stop the bashing of guys wearing makeup. jimfields33 Aug 2024 #34
I'm not bashing guys who wear eyeliner. I'm bashing ms liberty Aug 2024 #39
Guyliner & The Orange Man - I'm totally stealing that band name! Initech Aug 2024 #43
I bet there are no pics of Mr. Walz with epstein Marthe48 Aug 2024 #24
There's nothing wrong with reasoned acknowledgement of oppo research TheProle Aug 2024 #26
No one cares. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #27
No one cares grammiepammie Aug 2024 #31
Yes the voters Walz is going for don't care about the DUI. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #33
DUI's grammiepammie Aug 2024 #32
He did address it. He quit drinking. NT Happy Hoosier Aug 2024 #30
You think no one knows about it already? megahertz Aug 2024 #35
This should appeal to the drunk rednecks who go road-drinking voter. Midnight Writer Aug 2024 #36
It is already out and they have tried to use it. Not going to work, he made a mistake Bev54 Aug 2024 #37
Let's ask all the Republicans kenziemom06 Aug 2024 #40
Governor Walz is a good person LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2024 #42
Why do you think this is an elephant sized issue? Because you want it to be? Kaleva Aug 2024 #44
The enthusiasm we're witnessing will far outweigh a 30 year old irrelevancy. Torchlight Aug 2024 #45
One DUI vs. 34 Felonies? TBF Aug 2024 #46
Garbage. DFab420 Aug 2024 #47
So proud of Tim Walz for being sober for the last 28 years. Woohoo! There is a good life Clouds Passing Aug 2024 #48
The DUI is well known Zoomie1986 Aug 2024 #49

WhiskeyGrinder

(26,219 posts)
1. He'll deal with it the way he did when running for Congress and for governor. He fucked up and stopped drinking.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:04 AM
Aug 2024

Nobody got hurt. Nobody died. He made a mistake and made a change. Not much more to be said than that.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
28. Yes. This won't affect anything. We've had presidents with DUI before.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:52 AM
Aug 2024

Americans are very forgiving especially when they fixed the problem. He did!

True Dough

(25,730 posts)
2. It was 30 years ago
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:06 AM
Aug 2024

He's done so much good since then. We can't allow the party of the FELON cult members be any sort of judges of moral character.

Baltimike

(4,441 posts)
3. Nope. He had a debt to society, paid it, and saw to it that others who paid their debts
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:06 AM
Aug 2024

were reinstated fully to society too.

He isn't perfect. He walked the walk, and still is...for all of us

wnylib

(25,355 posts)
41. He also quit drinking completely back then.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 11:09 AM
Aug 2024

Does not drink alcohol or do drugs, not even Adderall.

Lonestarblue

(13,209 posts)
4. The Washington Post reported it yesterday near the top of the digital page to draw attention.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:06 AM
Aug 2024

The comments on the article soundly criticized the Post for bringing up something that happened 30 years ago and has no bearing on his years of public service. I think Walz can defuse that news fairly easily.

Hassin Bin Sober

(27,368 posts)
25. Not to mention Bush's V.P. had multiple DUIs
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:37 AM
Aug 2024
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=20001103&slug=4051081

Several hours after the story broke, a spokeswoman for Bush's running mate, Dick Cheney, 59, said Cheney also had two driving-while-intoxicated offenses when he was in his early 20s, in 1962 and 1963. Press secretary Juleanna Glover Weiss said she did not have details. Cheney disclosed the incidents privately in 1989, when President Bush nominated him to be secretary of defense.

Ocelot II

(128,927 posts)
6. It's been known and dealt with long ago.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:08 AM
Aug 2024

He's run for office successfully many times since; it's never been an issue, and he doesn't drink at all. 30-year-old news.

Ocelot II

(128,927 posts)
11. As elephants in the room go, this one is about the size of a hamster.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:16 AM
Aug 2024

If you're backing a ticket consisting of a guy with 34 felony convictions and civil verdicts of fraud and sexual assault, along with another guy who might have fucked a couch, the opposing ticket's 30-year-old DUI is pretty weak sauce.

cally

(21,827 posts)
12. Marty Walsh was on VP vetting team
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:18 AM
Aug 2024

I’m sure he discussed this with Tim Walz. I’m not worried about it

JI7

(93,138 posts)
14. This has been mentioned many times when talking about
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:19 AM
Aug 2024

pros and cons of possible VP picks.

What exactly do you want him to say ? What happened was of course wrong of him and he hasn't done it again since then.

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
15. ...and that is when he stopped drinking... let's do some drug testing Orange Oaf, and frequently like before debates!
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:21 AM
Aug 2024

Brainfodder

(7,781 posts)
16. IF they do, remind them that we are still waiting on TSF's college grades and Melania's apology presser!
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:23 AM
Aug 2024
19. Not one teensy bit less awesome!
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:24 AM
Aug 2024

Watching his speech yesterday, all my mind said was "where has he been???"
Considering the Republican option, it is more likely he gets a few more votes as a result.

obamanut2012

(29,153 posts)
20. It's already all over, and who cares
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:27 AM
Aug 2024

He has never had a drop since, and tried to resign as a teacher and they refused it. It was 30 years ago.

DUIs are bad, but not the flex for Trump you think it is.

hlthe2b

(112,716 posts)
21. Good lord... A DUI 30 years ago that resulted in him giving up ALL alcohol? Really?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:29 AM
Aug 2024

I could see repeats, but 30 YEARS AGO!

hawkeye21

(313 posts)
22. Good point, but . . .
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:31 AM
Aug 2024

It's 30 years ago. And it's not quite on the same level as, oh, treason or insurrection or even being convicted of 34 felony counts or stealing top secret government documents and refusing to return them and denying you took them and committing adultery and paying off a porn star and . . . LOL

The list of Trump's transgressions is legendary. A drunk driving arrest from 30 years ago is a mouse to this "elephant in the room." But I agree it would be smart for Walz to bring it up himself and get it out there and over with. And in doing so he could compare that mistake to the recent laundry list of major crimes Trump has committed. They are not alleged, either. We've seen the evidence ourselves. It's everywhere. The only question is if and when will he ever be held accountable.

Do you think I could have incited a mob to attack the US Capitol and try to overturn the results of a presidential election and not be in jail that same day? LOL again

Trump should have been arrested and charged on Jan. 6, or no later than 12:01 p.m. on Jan. 20, and he should have been held without bond. That he has been allowed to remain free--and even to run for president again--is a travesty of any definition of the word "justice."

ms liberty

(10,947 posts)
23. This is a ticket that will smack this down and redirect it right back to Guyliner and the Orange Man
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:32 AM
Aug 2024

I'm confident that they can handle this.

 

jimfields33

(19,382 posts)
34. I wish we'd stop the bashing of guys wearing makeup.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:57 AM
Aug 2024

It’s pretty nasty as many do. There are tons and tons of other criticisms.

ms liberty

(10,947 posts)
39. I'm not bashing guys who wear eyeliner. I'm bashing
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 11:07 AM
Aug 2024

One guy who wears eyeliner and a beard to look more attractive but would never admit to wearing eyeliner, and disavows any and every belief associated with men who ever have worn makeup in their personal lives.

Marthe48

(22,679 posts)
24. I bet there are no pics of Mr. Walz with epstein
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:33 AM
Aug 2024

Bet he hasn't boasted about grabbing women.
Bet he didn't have sex with a porn star
Bet there are no women or children claiming abuse or sexual assault
Bet his business dealings are aboveboard
And I bet there aren't any other charges against him, or 34 convictions!

TheProle

(3,895 posts)
26. There's nothing wrong with reasoned acknowledgement of oppo research
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:39 AM
Aug 2024

Especially since now it will be viewed in the context of a national race. Better to get in front of it.

grammiepammie

(81 posts)
31. No one cares
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:55 AM
Aug 2024

Sad to say it is true. I am from the farm lands of PA and I have seen people driving with a beer can in their hand. Others have had three DUI's. They get three months probation and have others have to breath into a breathalyzer before driving. It is just not considered serious like the state I live in now, Massachusetts. With three DUI's, you would be in jail.

Irish_Dem

(79,517 posts)
33. Yes the voters Walz is going for don't care about the DUI.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:56 AM
Aug 2024

In fact it may get votes in that demographic.

grammiepammie

(81 posts)
32. DUI's
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:55 AM
Aug 2024

Sad to say it is true. I am from the farm lands of PA and I have seen people driving with a beer can in their hand. Others have had three DUI's. They get three months probation and have others have to breath into a breathalyzer before driving. It is just not considered serious like the state I live in now, Massachusetts. With three DUI's, you would be in jail.

megahertz

(182 posts)
35. You think no one knows about it already?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:57 AM
Aug 2024

Walz has been vetted, it's not a surprise. They have a plan to address it if needed.
No need to clutch pearls.

Bev54

(13,171 posts)
37. It is already out and they have tried to use it. Not going to work, he made a mistake
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 11:00 AM
Aug 2024

he quit drinking altogether and moved on and so should we. This is not an elephant, not even a mouse. People make mistakes, want to compare that to all of Trump's sexual assaults and rapes? Or to all his fraud and bankruptcies? Or to all his connections with Russian spies?

kenziemom06

(115 posts)
40. Let's ask all the Republicans
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 11:07 AM
Aug 2024

who voted for George W. Bush. Let's try to remember how big a deal it was for him to have a DUI from 25 years earlier for the voters of his party.

Torchlight

(6,279 posts)
45. The enthusiasm we're witnessing will far outweigh a 30 year old irrelevancy.
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 02:20 PM
Aug 2024

That's what I think the trolls in St Petersburg are missing; the enthusiasm for the Harris campaign is real, it's sincere, it's organic, and it's joyful.

The trolls from Olgino may not even know it themselves yet, but their doctrine and tactics will have to change and adapt to meet this unprecedented wave of positivism, and I doubt they'll figure it out in time.

TBF

(35,555 posts)
46. One DUI vs. 34 Felonies?
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 02:27 PM
Aug 2024

I'm sure it came out when he ran for governor, and if that is all they have for an October surprise we will be ok.

Clouds Passing

(6,886 posts)
48. So proud of Tim Walz for being sober for the last 28 years. Woohoo! There is a good life
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 02:54 PM
Aug 2024

beyond alcohol. Sober 21 years!

 

Zoomie1986

(1,213 posts)
49. The DUI is well known
Wed Aug 7, 2024, 10:01 PM
Aug 2024

Multiple people here on DU have posted coverage about it in the media.

It was a long time ago, he took responsibility for it, he admitted it was stupid and dangerous, so there's no need to harp on it anymore.

All he has to do is say, I did something wrong. So did TSF. The difference is that I took responsibility for it and learned from it. TSF hasn't taken responsibility for his felonies, and he never will. If he doesn't accept that responsibility, or his mistake, then he will never learn from it. What kind of example is that for our children?

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