Harris Walz met with Uncommitted Movement leaders before the Detroit Rally

[Nanjeanne]

Jo’s gives me hope.

Link to tweet

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Read it through as it’s encouraging for those of us who believe we need a new approach.

[TheKentuckian]

1. Yet they still came with the disrespect, disruption, and Chump support

How about a Hamas/Chump Fluffer/Partner embargo instead?

[Nanjeanne]

2. Different group but thanks for sharing that thoughtful analysis.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

30. You said you don't know who they were down thread

And that others should do your research for you.
Did you just make this up?

[Nanjeanne]

32. Good grief. I said I didn't know EXACTLY who the protestors were in the rally but they were not

with the group of two uncommitted delegates who met, with Harris. I said if someone wanted to know more details on WHO the exact protestors were they could probably find that out.

I posted a recap of a meeting that I thought was a great step in the dialogue between Harris Walz and the people they need to work with to bring to the voting booth in Michigan but if you want to continue arguing I’m afraid I’m done.

[Prairie Gates]

3. Good...build bridges, not walls

[comradebillyboy]

4. There's nothing Harris can do that will ever satisfy those folks.

They bargain in bad faith. Appeasing fanatics is non productive.

[Nanjeanne]

5. I think there is and I hope she does it.

And I’m probably what you would call one of those people.

[Nanjeanne]

10. Did you even read the report of the meeting with these two leaders of uncommitted?

I am a Jewish US citizen - Russian Jew, Hungarian Jew, Swedish Jew, French Jew. My uncles were in French resistance. I lost family in Holocaust. I have Israeli relatives. I was in Israel about a month ago visiting family and spent almost every night out protesting alongside other peace activists and hostage families.

I am in my 70s and have never voted anything but Democrat. But I’ve been involved in protests and it’s important to work out differences and saying you won’t do something in order to get something is an important tactic. What I would do has no bearing on other voters. All our votes are sacred. Even those who want to see a change in some policy before they commit. By one of them I mean the young people that what a better policy, an end to this war and are willing to work towards that goal.

IF you actually read what the article stated, both these leaders said they want to support Harris. They need something back. That’s what communication, learning and listening is all about. It’s healthy. I like what Tim Walz said about the 45,000 MN voters who voted uncommitted in their primary when he called them engaged.

“These folks are asking for a change in course,” Walz said. “They’re asking for more pressure to be put on.”

“People are frustrated, but it bodes well for me that they’re actively engaged to go out and cast his vote and ask for change,” Walz said.

I happen to agree.. it’s what our great nation is all about.

[Happy Hoosier]

11. Glad you're on the team. But it's all vague bullshit.

they "want" to support Harris, but that suggests they don't. They state they "want" something, but it's all vague bullshit. And no, they DON'T need "something back." It's not a fucking auction.

If these assholes wanna threaten to burn the building down if they don't get exactly what they want, they can GTH. I'm tired of these threats.

They can get on board or get out of the way. They want listening? Listen to this:

IF TRUMP WINS, THINGS WILL BE SO MUCH WORSE FOR GAZANS. THERE WILL BE NO CHANCE FOR US PRESSURE TO END THE WAR.

Listen to that! Because THAT is true.

FFS, I so fucking sick of this shit.

[Nanjeanne]

13. It's what's called having principles and trying to get something you want from someone who wants

something from you.

But I guess one man’s bullshit is another man’s principle.

This is not about Trump.

And if you are that bent out of shape I suggest a nice walk, some deep breathing and not reading posts that give you such agita. It really works!

[Happy Hoosier]

15. If their principles allow them to enable a Trump victory, their principles suck.

I'd be happy if they said "we support Harris, but we want her to consider our concerns." That makes sense.

Anything elese at this point is an irresponsible threat.

And YES, IT FUCKING IS ABOUT TRUMP. How can you possibly think it's not? Either Harris or Trump will be President. Pick one.

And don't patronize me. I'm pissed. And I I think I'm right to be pissed about this subject. I will fight againt the stupidity of purity politics every chance I get. My daughter's right to control her own body is at stake. The marriages of my LGBTQ friends is at stake. DEMOCRACY is at stake. I'm not interested in staying calm, especially when a special interest group is going to place their concerns over all that.

[Nanjeanne]

17. Voting is personal. It's the backbone of our democracy. And you feel patronized? Never my intention.

[Eko]

31. Bravo Nanjeanne!

[Zoomie1986]

46. RIght in the post it says that they're pitching

Delusional hissy fits to do something now!

Anyone expecting instant gratification in the Middle East is completely irrational. Notch it down to something resembling reality so the demands don't look like something only a spoilt 2 year old would expect.

[Think. Again.]

28. Are you really comparing a group that wants to support Harris...

...to a group that supports trump?

How weird.

[yardwork]

9. There are different groups.

The people who are out in the streets shouting Genocide Joe and throwing paint on Jewish people's homes are different from the Uncommitted group.

The Uncommitted group are voters in MI and elsewhere who want to hear the administration's plans.

I think it was smart of Kamala to meet with them.

[Happy Hoosier]

12. I'm glad they met with her. But "uncommitted?" Are they INSANE? NT

[yardwork]

24. They're using what leverage they have.

[Happy Hoosier]

26. The "I'm gonna burn the building down" leverage?

They can go to hell.

[Celerity]

34. Good thing you aren't in charge of voter outreach. Telling potential voters they can go to hell isn't likely to end well

Happy to see VP Harris and Governor Walz are dismissing your stance out of hand.

[TBF]

40. It's definitely smart to meet with them - Trump would never do that. nt

[spicysista]

6. Good news!

We need more dialogue, not less!

[Nanjeanne]

7. Absolutely.

[DFab420]

14. And then they burned any good will they had by heckling her at her rally

Such a shitty tactic that just shows how unserious about actually doing something they are.

[Nanjeanne]

16. Different people. And what good will was burned? People protest. I did it all my life.

It’s part of our makeup.

There’s no point in protesting Trump. You protest who you think will listen and possibly swayed.

I personally think Harris could have handled the response better and I have no doubt she will in future. Because the ceasefire movement isnt going away and I’m sure her team knows that.

Cook County holds one of the largest Palestinian population. Many if not most of those people have probably lost family members in this war. I’m sure there will be protests at the DNC and I believe the Harris Walz campaign is working out how to address it.

[DFab420]

18. Amazing to call for a ceasefire after invading and murdering women and children in their homes on Oct 7th

Amazing to me they neger were protesting or rallying against the leadership of Hamas, a terror organization that was in charge of the country where their families lived. Didn’t hear a peep from pro-Palestinians about that major fucking problem till suddenly the consequences of living under a terrorist regime came home.

Im all for ending the war in Gaza and think Netanyahu deserves prison but this situation has been a problem for decades and now this people suddenly assume it’s fixable for one Vice President to solve?? Give me a fucking break

[Nanjeanne]

19. Someone said this could be solved by one VP? Missed that

[DFab420]

33. Why protest against Harris then? If you don't protest against Trump cause he "won't listen" but protest against Harris

Because you think you persuade her that the logic there is you think she personally can do something about it

Otherwise why protest against her during a campaign stop with “ we won’t vote for genocide” which is a clear implication that they believe that she is somehow involved in the policies of the Israel war….

Either they care about peace in Palestine to the point where they would be assembling anywhere to make a point or they are tacitly implicating on candidate specifically with both involvement in the current crisis and the solution

[democrattotheend]

21. Thank you!

I care about Palestinian human rights, and have always felt conflicted about aggressive Israeli military action, but I am disgusted by the fact that those protesting now don't seem to care one iota about the 1,200 Israelis, mostly civilians, who were murdered by Hamas on October 7 in an unprovoked attack, nor the civilians being held hostage.

[OneGrassRoot]

22. Do you have more info about the actual hecklers?

Have the uncommitted people commented on the hecklers, saying they weren't part of that group? That would be so helpful if they did. Thanks for the OP.

[Nanjeanne]

23. I don't. But you can probably find out information through local journalists, Harris campaign, etc.

[yardwork]

25. I'm glad that Harris shut down the heckling.

I don't believe that that kind of protest is ever effective. I think the hecklers make their own cause look bad.

[Think. Again.]

29. I think discussing the different group that did the heckling...

...is a different conversation.

[DFab420]

45. Is there any indication that the hecklers were NOT part

Of the “Uncommitted” group? Not necessarily the ones who met with Harris but still part of that same group?

[CoopersDad]

20. Kick and Rec. Some of the comments reflect the heart of the problem-broadbrushing.

The uncommitted are not who were heckling but the heckling has so riled some folks that the outrage is leveled against everyone seen to be on "that side".

Elabed and Alawich were not heckling, as far as I know.

I hope readers will be more discerning and understand that there are outliers and disruptors of all colors and stripes and they distract us from finding common ground.

That's all.

[yardwork]

27. Well, that goes both ways.

I was very frustrated last month to hear Rasheeda Tlaib encourage her constituents not to vote for Biden in the general election. And, I think that the Uncommitted group could distance themselves from the antisemitic paint throwers. They've made no effort to do so that I've heard.

It would help their cause a lot if they spoke out against violent antisemitic stunts and clarified their own positions and requests. Otherwise, it's quite natural for people to think they agree with one another.

[Torchlight]

35. Evidence her first instinct is to build rather than burn bridges.

And projecting that consensus-building onto the international stage over the next four years builds confidence in me. I'm beginning to realize why her outreach so disturbs the conservative crowd.

[TBF]

37. yes. nt

[Nanjeanne]

38. Yes it's too dramatic. No one is setting her up. She's a skilled politician and has a team around her.

Uncommitted delegates have always pushed for a platform. Democracy isn’t about anointing anyone. It’s about moving people to vote for what you stand for. They should be passionate. People should care. Protests for civil rights, against Vietnam War, no nukes, against McCarthy, Black Lives Matter, and yes, an end to the war and Palestinian rights.

Politicians work for citizens. We are their employers. Before elections they are going on job interviews. And people are allowed to ask questions and demand answers. Democracy is messy. But it’s cool.

[edisdead]

39. Indeed why do you feel that and more importantly

Indeed why do you feel that and more importantly why are you sharing that here?

[yardwork]

42. Is it raining outside Panera today?

[SunsetDreams2]

43. I'm not sure

I know I’m getting hungry myself.😜

[yardwork]

44. Now I want a matcha latte!