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TomSlick

(13,013 posts)
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 09:35 PM Aug 2024

I had to turn off Velshi.

He was being critical of VP Harris for calling down anti-Israel hecklers.

I won't speculate about the reason that Velshi believes that anti-Israel hecklers should interrupt ANY speaker. (Heckler is not a term of endearment.) Whatever his reason, I'm in no mood to hear it tonight.

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I had to turn off Velshi. (Original Post) TomSlick Aug 2024 OP
he is pro Palestine and anti Israel. But good on other issues. AlexSFCA Aug 2024 #1
Got it. That does not explain an attempt to defend indefensible behavior. TomSlick Aug 2024 #3
Ali Velshi is a Muslim soandso Aug 2024 #26
Not unconditionally choie Aug 2024 #20
I did not support any nation unconditionally. Ever. Never have, never will. Celerity Aug 2024 #28
I don't even support the United States unconditionally SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #31
Yes, the US falls under my original statement. Same for my other 2 nations of citizenship, the UK and Sweden. Celerity Aug 2024 #33
Turn them all off, you'll be happier. dem4decades Aug 2024 #2
THIS!!! NewHendoLib Aug 2024 #4
true, we do not need corporate media to decide our vote!!! nt ImNotGod Aug 2024 #29
She is right to call out any heckler. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #5
Hecklers or no hecklers, it is a question she will eventually have to address Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #6
I agree that this is a complicated issue that VP Harris needs to address. TomSlick Aug 2024 #8
I agree, but until her position is crystal clear, she should expect hecklers Fiendish Thingy Aug 2024 #14
Excuse me but he's Full of Shit.. " They met with VP Harris Before and they Still Heckled her.. Cha Aug 2024 #7
They are not about seriously addressing the issue. TomSlick Aug 2024 #9
Exactly and shame on Velshi for not knowing that. And what are Cha Aug 2024 #10
Of course Netanyahu is cheering for Trump. TomSlick Aug 2024 #11
I hadn't thought about Hama wanting TSF to win.. but Cha Aug 2024 #13
Even a blind hog will find an acorn now and then. TomSlick Aug 2024 #37
Thanks for the context. Sad our media can't do their job. rogue emissary Aug 2024 #15
You're Welcome, rogue emissary ... that's exactly Cha Aug 2024 #17
She handled it well Cirsium Aug 2024 #12
Yes She Did.. TY! Cha Aug 2024 #18
I lost all respect when he covered the riots in Minneapolis and was screaming against curfew question everything Aug 2024 #16
More Biases reporting. Cha Aug 2024 #19
She met with them prior to the rally, and agreed to set up a meeting to discuss their position at length. lees1975 Aug 2024 #21
We are limited in what we can do. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #23
They won't vote for us...their leader one of which is Nina Turner vote third party. So I don't care what they think. Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #24
The US has no treaties with Israel soandso Aug 2024 #25
First of all those protestors are flying Hamas flags in many case...they do themselves no good. And let me point out Demsrule86 Aug 2024 #22
You make a critical point BrianTheEVGuy Aug 2024 #27
The heckling of H2O Man Aug 2024 #30
How many times was she supposed to allow her speech to be interrupted ecstatic Aug 2024 #32
What she did. He was complimenting her. tirebiter Aug 2024 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author John Shaft Aug 2024 #35
I'll go one extra for ya: John Shaft Aug 2024 #36

AlexSFCA

(6,319 posts)
1. he is pro Palestine and anti Israel. But good on other issues.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 09:37 PM
Aug 2024

Dems support Israel. Full stop.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
26. Ali Velshi is a Muslim
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:43 AM
Aug 2024

and it's possible he has strong feelings on Israel-Palestine. I don't know but would guess so. He also formerly worked for Al Jazeera.

Celerity

(54,405 posts)
33. Yes, the US falls under my original statement. Same for my other 2 nations of citizenship, the UK and Sweden.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 01:41 AM
Aug 2024

My loyalty is absolutely conditional for all three.

Anyone who has and/or demands unconditional loyalty to a nation state is automatically, with no exceptions, a cultist.

I don't do cults, never have, never will.

Irish_Dem

(81,259 posts)
5. She is right to call out any heckler.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:04 PM
Aug 2024

And not let her speech spiral out of control.

I don't know what is wrong with some of the talking heads.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,227 posts)
6. Hecklers or no hecklers, it is a question she will eventually have to address
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:06 PM
Aug 2024

And address it in great detail.

Reports from Detroit are that she met briefly with to pro-Palestine activists before her rally, and expressed a willingness to discuss an arms embargo to Israel, and gave aides instructions to follow up.

Today, however, the media reports that Harris is not in favor of an embargo.

Clarity on this issue is essential.

TomSlick

(13,013 posts)
8. I agree that this is a complicated issue that VP Harris needs to address.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:14 PM
Aug 2024

Nevertheless, heckling is not the way to advance the issue. VP Harris ain't stupid, she knows.

The only logical reason to heckle at a Harris/Walz event is to help Trump and Corporal REMF.

Fiendish Thingy

(23,227 posts)
14. I agree, but until her position is crystal clear, she should expect hecklers
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:05 PM
Aug 2024

I know she won’t use the “genocide” word, but she could put a lot of this to rest by saying something like “if Trump is elected, in addition to all the other problems he would cause, you will get two guaranteed genocides- one in Gaza, the other in Ukraine. Elect me, and the Gazans and Ukrainians will both have a fighting chance to survive in peace”.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
7. Excuse me but he's Full of Shit.. " They met with VP Harris Before and they Still Heckled her..
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:10 PM
Aug 2024
- Kamala you can't hide

You’re supporting genocide.

Pro-Palestinian protesters- just now reported by Lawrence O’Donnell.


Too bad for Velshi.. Kaama Harris had the Perfect Reply to the protesters.

TomSlick

(13,013 posts)
9. They are not about seriously addressing the issue.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:16 PM
Aug 2024

They are about performance and trying to divide Democrats.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
10. Exactly and shame on Velshi for not knowing that. And what are
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:30 PM
Aug 2024

they going to do if VP Harris isn't for the "Embargo".. Vote for TSF or stay home which is the same. They don't care about the USA's Democracy... They get TSF.. they get Netanyahu
and see what they do to GAZA.

Would it be worth it to them to show the, Stupid label, "Genocide" Dems?

I bet Netanyahu is cheering for TSF NOW.

TomSlick

(13,013 posts)
11. Of course Netanyahu is cheering for Trump.
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:43 PM
Aug 2024

He knows that with Trump he will have a free hand to depopulate Gaza.

The irony is that Hamas is also cheering Trump. Hamas does not want peace. It wants to fight Israel to the last Palestinian thinking that will start a broader war by the Muslim world against Israel. So at least some number of the hecklers really do want Trump to win.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
13. I hadn't thought about Hama wanting TSF to win.. but
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:04 PM
Aug 2024

seeing the Terrorist org in action for almost a year now.. I think you're Absolutely right.

Cha

(319,067 posts)
17. You're Welcome, rogue emissary ... that's exactly
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:33 PM
Aug 2024

what it is.. Context.

The "meida" is a National Tragedy.

Cirsium

(3,942 posts)
12. She handled it well
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 10:59 PM
Aug 2024

About as well as it could be handled. I think the infighting around the issue, and other issues, is over.

question everything

(52,132 posts)
16. I lost all respect when he covered the riots in Minneapolis and was screaming against curfew
Thu Aug 8, 2024, 11:27 PM
Aug 2024

since the protests were “peaceful.” Conveniently ignoring all the looting and vandalism of small businesses, many owned by minority.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
21. She met with them prior to the rally, and agreed to set up a meeting to discuss their position at length.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:02 AM
Aug 2024

But they were rude and discourteous anyway.

Here's the way I look at it, and just to be clear before I start, I'm fully supportive of a cease fire, arms embargo and a two state solution. More violence only makes things worse. Regardless of politics, these are human beings who are suffering and resolving that should be a priority.

The only hope for any settlement of the Gaza War is with the United States. This country is a democracy, and the will of the people still prevails. No President has the ability to unilaterally embargo the shipment of arms to Israel, under the treaties that have been negotiated between the two countries, and any embargo would require the approval of the Senate.

Be realistic. It's not exaggerating to say that, not only would the position of Gaza grow immeasurably worse under a Trump Presidency, he would likely give the green light to Netanyahu to wipe Gaza out permanently.

Perhaps a little education in politics is warranted here. These people want something done. Both the President and Vice President have listened, and offered and asked for the patience required to walk through this situation. After meeting with the Vice President and Governor Walz, the response should have been to provide support for the courtesy that was granted. If I were running for President, I'd be a whole lot more inclined and motivated to try and find a reasonable and workable solution to a problem I'd been asked to resolve if those who were asking were polite and courteous, instead of loud and rude. I think the conclusion that has been reached, that these people are narrowly focused on their own interest and haven't really supported Democratic candidates anyway, needs to be brought to their attention. They have no where else to go. So they need to be patient, gain some understanding of how politics works, and participate in the process, and provide the kind of support they are capable of doing without strings attached, knowing that this is the party that is actually listening and is desiring to make things so much better.

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
24. They won't vote for us...their leader one of which is Nina Turner vote third party. So I don't care what they think.
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:09 AM
Aug 2024

Until Netanyahu is gone the war will continue.

 

soandso

(1,631 posts)
25. The US has no treaties with Israel
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:32 AM
Aug 2024

It has agreements and a memorandum of understanding, which is far from a treaty.

Details here:

https://www.state.gov/u-s-security-cooperation-with-israel/

Demsrule86

(71,542 posts)
22. First of all those protestors are flying Hamas flags in many case...they do themselves no good. And let me point out
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:04 AM
Aug 2024

two candidates Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush who said the same as Ari lost their primaries. The protestors are of no use and only encourage Netanyahu to continue the war.

BrianTheEVGuy

(697 posts)
27. You make a critical point
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 12:53 AM
Aug 2024

The screaming rioters and hecklers actually prolong the conflict because they turn everyday people against them. Harris has been critical of both sides and supports a durable agreement; she also supports Israel defending itself from terrorists. That's a reasonable position to have for an American president, and good on her for telling the hecklers to STFU.

H2O Man

(79,048 posts)
30. The heckling of
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 01:18 AM
Aug 2024

US presidents and other politicians has a long history. In every significant case, people are divided on if the hecklers are rude and crude, or if they are heroic, or simply don't give a shit.

When there are times of war, or the funding of foreign wars, it is more likely to create emotional responses. I have to admit that I thought it was delightful when people heckled Nixon and Reagan. No matter if I agree or disagree with hecklers, I appreciate that they are exercising Amendment 1 rights. And I think that VP Harris is fully capable of handling that or any situations.

More, no matter if I agree or disagree with Mr. Velshi, I respect him. I have no problem discussing differences of opinion. At the same time, I respect your right to turn it off. That includes tonight, when you aren't in the mood to hear it, or any other night. I find my mood is better when I watch as little news programs as possible.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
32. How many times was she supposed to allow her speech to be interrupted
Fri Aug 9, 2024, 01:39 AM
Aug 2024

First of all, she met with the Palestinian advocates / leaders prior to the rally.

I haven't had a chance to see the entire rally, but the hecklers interrupted at least two times.

So was she supposed to shut up and let them interrupt her entire speech? What exactly did velshi want her to do? 🙄

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