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underpants
(196,495 posts)Zambero
(9,990 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)kansasobama
(1,750 posts)Being vegetarian does not mean they will be good to humans.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Coventina
(29,731 posts)They were trying to make him seem soft and cuddly, like he wouldn't even hurt animals, much less humans.
When this lie is repeated now, it's mostly to try and draw an equivalency between the two:
Hitler = vegetarian
therefore
Vegetarians = Hitler
It was always just Nazi propaganda.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)Near the end of his life, Adolf Hitler (18891945) followed a vegetarian diet. It is not clear when or why he adopted it, since some accounts of his dietary habits prior to the Second World War indicate that he consumed meat as late as 1937. In 1938, Hitler's doctors put him on a meat-free diet, and his public image as a vegetarian was fostered; from 1942, he self-identified as a vegetarian. Personal accounts from people who knew Hitler and were familiar with his diet indicate that he did not consume meat as part of his diet during this period, as several contemporaneous witnessessuch as Albert Speer (in his memoirs, Inside the Third Reich)noted that Hitler used vivid and gruesome descriptions of animal suffering and slaughter at the dinner table to try to dissuade his colleagues from eating meat.
An examination carried out by French scientists on a fragment of Hitler's skull in 2018 found no traces of meat fibre in the tartar on Hitler's teeth. Some modern-day analyses have speculated that Hitler's vegetarianism may have been for health reasons due to Richard Wagner's historical theories, or even a psychological reaction to his niece's death rather than a commitment to animal welfare. In contrast, several eyewitness sources maintain Hitler was a vegetarian because of his concern for animal suffering, noting that he was often distressed by images of animal cruelty and suffering, and was an antivivisectionist.
Contemporary records
In a 1937 article, The New York Times noted "It is well known that Hitler is a vegetarian and does not drink or smoke. The lunch and dinner consist, therefore, for the most part of soup, eggs, vegetables and mineral water, although he occasionally relishes a slice of ham and relieves the tediousness of his diet with such delicacies as caviar ...". In another 1937 article Times magazine noted "Strictly vegetarian and teetotaler Adolf Hitler made the great exception last week of nibbling clear through the State banquet he gave Benito Mussolini and toasting his guest in sweet German champagne. Menu: caviar, soup, sole, chicken, ices and fresh fruit". In November 1938, an article for the English magazine Homes & Gardens describing Hitler's mountain home, The Berghof, stated that in addition to being a teetotaler and a non-smoker, Hitler was also a vegetarian. Ignatius Phayre wrote, "A life-long vegetarian at table, Hitler's kitchen plots are both varied and heavy in produce. Even in his meatless diet Hitler is something of a gourmet as Sir John Simon and Anthony Eden were surprised to note when they dined with him in the Chancellery at Berlin. His Bavarian chef, Herr Kannenberg, contrives an imposing array of vegetarian dishes, savoury and rich, pleasing to the eye as well as to the palate, and all conforming to the dietic standards which Hitler exacts."
According to stenographic transcripts translated by Hugh Trevor-Roper of conversations between Hitler and his inner circle which took place between July 1941 and November 1944, Hitler regarded himself as a vegetarian. These conversations were gathered together under the title Hitler's Table Talk. Written notes taken at the time were transcribed and then were edited by Martin Bormann. According to these transcripts dated 11 November 1941, Hitler said, "One may regret living at a period when it's impossible to form an idea of the shape the world of the future will assume. But there's one thing I can predict to eaters of meat: the world of the future will be vegetarian." On 12 January 1942, he said, "The only thing of which I shall be incapable is to share the sheiks' mutton with them. I'm a vegetarian, and they must spare me from their meat." In a diary entry dated 26 April 1942, Joseph Goebbels described Hitler as a committed vegetarian, writing,

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Jk23
(455 posts)The Nazis kept records about everything including Hitler's meals. He almost always had vegetarian dishes and would complain if they were not to his liking. Hitler was also an animal rights advocate as well. He had some strange views for well Hitler.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Hitler was a vegetarian. To suggest it was Nazi propaganda is ridiculous. Germans love their meat.
Diamond_Dog
(40,575 posts)But when he ran against Tim Ryan he aired a commercial cooking bacon for his daughter for breakfast (in someone elses kitchen)
He is about as vegetarian as Trumpy.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)Diamond_Dog
(40,575 posts)Arthur_Frain
(2,355 posts)nt
Diamond_Dog
(40,575 posts)and then chows down on Big Macs when hes away from home, dont you think?
MontanaMama
(24,722 posts)JD flip flops on everything else.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)LeftinOH
(5,648 posts)"woke" -- but borderline communist.
rsdsharp
(12,002 posts)keep_left
(3,210 posts)...from all the 4chan incel MAGA chuds. They certainly hurled the insults when they were at CPAC.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219284180#post12
cpamomfromtexas
(1,490 posts)He would be much thinner.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)Jk23
(455 posts)These are not seventies style vegetarians with healthy diets. These are processed food eating junk food devouring vegetarians.
milestogo
(23,082 posts)But its possible to be a "junk food vegetarian" - which is a way to describe someone who abstains from meat but still eats a steady diet of junk food, especially sweets.
PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(26,955 posts)Zoomie1986
(1,213 posts)Anyone who's intellectually honest knows that.
tavernier
(14,443 posts)Lots of cheese and butter and nuts.
valleyrogue
(2,715 posts)hvn_nbr_2
(6,793 posts)dpibel
(3,943 posts)Not merely vegetarian, but vegetarian because his wife made him do it.
That seems far more damning to the incels.
ColinC
(11,098 posts)Zambero
(9,990 posts)NickB79
(20,356 posts)🤣
ColinC
(11,098 posts)I am also a vegetarian
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)
JD Vance - beardless - looks like a wise-ass 18-year-old kid.
mercuryblues
(16,413 posts)Come to think of it, I've never seen them in the same room together.
FakeNoose
(41,634 posts)
By George I think you've nailed it!
Arthur_Frain
(2,355 posts)Noice.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)
Diamond_Dog
(40,575 posts)willamette
(182 posts)bucolic_frolic
(55,136 posts)He would be much thinner if he were vegetarian.
FreeState
(10,702 posts)I've been vegetarian for over 25 years. I have been overweight and met lots of vegetarians that also have been overweight.
There is lots of junk food that is vegetarian:
Various cold cereals
Semi-Sweet Chocolate Mini-Chips
Duncan Hines Chewy Fudge Brownies
Airheads
Cracker Jack
Doritos (depending on the type)
Fritos
Potato Chips
Granola bars
Ritz Crackers
Wheat Thins
Chocolate Syrup
Tator Tots
Oreos
Jellos pudding
Lots of candy
etc
There are also lots of studies that show its not the case:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15941875/
bucolic_frolic
(55,136 posts)Jk23
(455 posts)So many pre-made vegetarian meals are filled with processed junk and tons of salt.
RockRaven
(19,373 posts)I could walk into the nearest fast food place of any type and get 1000+ calories of food and drink which is vegetarian or even vegan without any hassle or thought.
Celerity
(54,407 posts)Are McDonalds Fries Vegan?
Unfortunately, McDonalds french fries are not vegan, and the animal-based ingredient may surprise you.
McDonalds French Fries Ingredients
The ingredients of McDonalds french fries are:
Potatoes
Vegetable oil (canola oil, corn oil, soybean oil, hydrogenated soybean oil, natural beef flavor)
Dextrose
Sodium acid
Pyrophosphate
Salt
Why Are McDonalds Fries Not Vegan in the U.S.?
Many people assume the beef flavoring in french fries is the key component that takes them off the menu for vegans. While this is true, there is another culprit: milk. The natural beef flavor is actually derived from dairy products, making this product unsuitable for vegan customers. This is also true of McDonalds other potato products, like hash browns.
Its possible that the chains french fries are non-vegetarian as well. Companies are not required to disclose the ingredients of their natural or artificial flavorings (with the exception of common allergens like peanuts or milk). Since McDonalds has not voluntarily revealed the chemical ingredients of their natural beef flavoring, other than wheat and milk derivatives, its unclear if the fries are vegetarian either.
McDonalds has a long history of obscuring ingredients that arent vegetarian or vegan. In 2002, they paid millions of dollars to Hindu groups to settle a lawsuit based on advertisements that falsely stated their french fries contained no beef additives.
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Bayard
(29,686 posts)Next you'll have dogs living with cats, cats living with dogs, father rapers and mother stabbers!
The Wizard
(13,735 posts)Timeflyer
(3,756 posts)the deity created all those beasts, etc. for human consumption. (Not kidding--saw this in "Philadelphia Trumpet" magazine published by the Philadelphia Church of God. Someone had slipped a copy amongst the waiting room magazines at my doctor's office--if my doctor actually subscribed, I'd find another)
hunter
(40,690 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,884 posts)Polybius
(21,900 posts)They love Elon, and he's pro-electric.
flvegan
(66,279 posts)wanna-be-douchebro demographic, so his whole "electric" thing gets a pass. Especially since he's allegedly helping Trump.
Oh, and fuck Elon. And Tesla.
Polybius
(21,900 posts)Well so does Vance.
As for Elon, he's actually getting them to buy Tesla's. Wouldn't it be funny if Elon is pretending to be a right-winger just to get them to go electric?
mucholderthandirt
(1,783 posts)flvegan
(66,279 posts)Be specific, if you don't mind.
kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)orange jar
(878 posts)Usually to coincide with racist stereotypes against Asians, or to appease their fake viking ancestors, or because of their Nordic pagan religion (not disparaging paganism as a whole just the far right variant), or because they're the conspiracy theorist raw naturalist types.
Of course this will cause the nutballs who make fun of imaginary avocado toast liberals twist themselves into pretzels explaining how it's okay if Vance is one, but many won't care. Hell, it may score him some points with the vegan white nationalists who think Trump is too friendly to Jews.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)JD apologized that his wife is not white.
Some of his own party members are criticizing him for it.
JI7
(93,616 posts)It's kind of a common thing even among Hindus where some vegetarians will require the person they are dating to become vegetarian also in order to stay together or get married.
