What Vance is hoping you don't know: CSM Walz COULDN'T have deployed in the first place

[jmowreader]

Let's talk about the Military Physical Profile Serial System for a minute.

The military likes quick and easy ways to describe things, and one of the things they need to describe is a troop's physical condition. To this they have developed a six-channel system they call PULHES.

P = overall Physical condition
U = Upper body - everything from the waist to the top of the head
L = Lower body - everything from the waist to the floor
H = Hearing and ears, including the organs controlling balance that are found there
E = Eyes and vision
S = pSychiatric and mental health

For each channel, there are ratings from 1, completely fit for duty, to 4, so limiting that you really need to be studied by the Medical Evaluation Board to see if you can even be in the Army at all. These profiles can be permanent or temporary; a soldier who breaks her arm while doing her missions will receive a temporary 3 in the U channel, and when it heals she'll go back to having a 1 there. Most troops join the military with all 1s unless they need glasses, and then they receive a P2 in the Eyes channel. My own PULHES was 111121. Since the Army issues glasses - ones so ugly the troops call them "birth control glasses" but glasses nonetheless - they don't see having a P2 for Eyes as a huge problem. However, it WILL keep you from being accepted as a pilot, something I really wanted to do during my time in service. (This is what they'd give Trump these days: "S-4. Diagnosis or treatment results in high to extremely high risk to the military or patient due to potential impairment of duty function, risk to the mission or ability to maintain security clearance and which has already undergone an MEB (Medical Evaluation Board).&quot

Tim Walz served as an artilleryman. Artillery soldiers use weapons like howitzers and multiple rocket launchers, which are extremely loud when fired - and when they're fired you don't shoot once, you shoot as many times as you have to in order to kill all the enemy. Lots of cannoneers carry P3 and P4 profiles for Hearing, and that group includes CSM Walz. From what I've seen online he was so incredibly deaf they had to perform a surgery to replace the three small bones in his ears that transmit sound from the eardrum to the auditory nerve with 3-d printed ones to fix his ears. If you have this kind of operation the Army isn't going to let you in the same grid square as a firing battery. They'd probably be hesitant about even letting you go to the motor pool on Monday morning to check the oil in your howitzer's engine.

Now...here's the thing. Any P3 or P4 in your PULHES profile renders you non-deployable. If you can't hear, see or walk you can't fight wars. Even if he would have known about the deployment and stayed in because of it..."sorry sarge, you're deaf as a post, you're going to stay home."

TL R fuck JD Vance and fuck all his enablers.

[Leghorn21]

1. Thank you for an interesting and illuminating post, jmow!!

I’ll be saving this and sending it ‘round to friends, hope you don’t mind!!
Much appreciated!!

[3auld6phart]

42. That is a

A most interesting article.. Thank you.. that makes this old phart … P 7 or 8. lol.

[former9thward]

2. You are saying Walz is "deaf as a post"?

The Harris campaign does not say that and they do not give that as any reason for non-deployment.

[jmowreader]

3. To the Army having a P3 for hearing is just as good as "deaf as a post"

He had an operation to get his ears fixed. He's fine now...just, not for combat. Remember, the Army rejected Joe Biden over childhood asthma. During World War II flat feet were disqualifying even if they didn't affect you in any way.

[Rebl2]

46. Didn't know

flat feet was disqualifying or asthma for that matter. Must be why when my dad was in the army he wasn’t sent out of the country during Korean War. He was only stateside. He had both of those issues.

[mwooldri]

54. In the British Army "flat feet" definitely did disqualify you.

My grandfather (dad's dad) tried to enlist. Flat feet. Denied. He did serve in the Home Guard - the forces that were to fight had Germany invaded the British Isles.

[oldsoftie]

39. Its really a moot point. He had already announced for Congress.

You dont just roll out of bed & file to run for Congress. Since he filed in Feb '05, at the very LEAST he was getting his team together mid-'04. Thats LONG before any talk of a deployment wouldve been happening.
This is such a nothing issue coming from a campaign led by a draft dodger

[Bev54]

55. That is because that was not the reason for him not deploying, he had already made the decision to retire and

run for congress. All the poster is pointing out is that if he had not already made the decision, he would not have been deployed anyway because of his hearing loss.

[former9thward]

56. I doubt he had that hearing loss.

And the poster did not link to anything. One cannot recover hearing loss. So he would "deaf as a post" right now.

[Bev54]

57. He has hearing loss and that was known and public before all this bullshit came out.

So whether you think he does or does not is not really important. Google really can be your friend sometimes

The deafening booms and shock waves from howitzer barrels and their projectiles, which sound like freight trains as they fly overhead, left Mr. Walz with hearing loss and tinnitus in both ears, according to a 2018 report from Minnesota Public Radio.

[former9thward]

58. Everyone his age has hearing loss.

That is science.

[Bev54]

59. Do some research before you make these statements. He had an operation for it in 2005

[former9thward]

60. Everyone is posting statements without links.

I wonder why?

[Bev54]

61. Maybe you should do your own research and not rely on others. He retired in 2005, so his age now

has nothing to do with it. As I said google is your friend, we are not secretaries here, we expect people to do their own research.

[liberalla]

4. Thank you for this info. It's very interesting. My only question is, where is this information available

to further review? Thanks in advance!

[jmowreader]

5. It's best to go straight to the source

https://asktop.net/wp/download/3/r600_60.pdf

This is Army Regulation 600-60, which governs the whole physical profile system.

[liberalla]

8. Thank you for the link but I wasn't aware of his hearing difficulties, and

wondered about his personal medical info becoming public information, and the accuracy of it. I did find a link that made vague reference to his hearing and corrective surgery. I'm guessing this will soon come into clearer focus as the accusations that he abandoned his unit continue.

You were way ahead of the press on this. Congratulations!

[NJCher]

20. This is why I like du

Ahead of the press…

It’s called group intelligence.

His experience plus the ability to translate it to a significant news event is why we DU-ers are way ahead of the press and regular people on the news.

I’m sure most of you have the same experience that I do when friends and family send you a news item. You look at it and think oh that’s old news. Of course , being a thoughtful, polite person, you never say that.

Also notice how posters asked questions and the op was able to quickly provide sources and answer them immediately? That’s critical thinking in action.

I often tell my classes that this is why you want to belong to professional groups that have posting capabilities. We have that in AFT.

Thanks for the interesting and detailed post, jmowreader.

[CrispyQ]

26. My husband only started to read DU after he realized how many times I knew about stories before he did.

Sometimes days before, even.

He'd ask, "Hey, that story about X you told me about two days ago? Where did you hear about it?" DU was always my answer. One day he asked, "DU? Really?" Yep, DU.

[Hermit-The-Prog]

31. That's how my wife, son, and his wife became lurkers on DU!

[evolves]

6. Thank you!

Informative post-- appreciate the insights.

[iemanja]

7. His rank is Sergeant Major

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/08/08/what-walz-has-said-about-his-military-record-as-others-criticized-it

[jmowreader]

21. There are two sergeant major ranks in the Army

One of them is Sergeant Major, or SGM.

The other one, which Walz was, is Command Sergeant Major, or CSM.

You address either one as Sergeant Major.

The difference is what they do for a living. A Sergeant Major is in charge of a large staff section, like the Operations staff at battalion level or all four staffs at division and above. Command Sergeants Major are the assistants to commanders at battalion or higher levels.

Soldiers at this level move back and forth between the two ranks. The division personnel staff sergeant major could come to work one morning wearing SGM stripes, be told that the CSM of one of the battalions in the division just got hauled in on sexual harassment charges and...well, sergeant major, it's your turn in the barrel...be wearing CSM stripes before lunch. I knew a CSM that this had happened to eight times in one month...he was working in a division-level staff section as a SGM and kept being sent to battalions as a loaner CSM when the real ones went on leave. Since these guys have their own job title (Command Sergeant Major, MOS 00Z) an MI sergeant major can legally go to an infantry battalion and do sergeant major work, which happened to him.

[iemanja]

25. The campaign says they were mistaken when they initially called him command sergeant major

I read an article about it in which Harris said they initially made a mistake. He did serve at the CSM rank but fell short of some requirements to carry that rank into retirement.

Walz did serve as command sergeant major, but Walz did not complete the requirements to retire with the rank of command sergeant, Augé told us in an email.

“He held multiple positions within field artillery such as firing battery chief, operations sergeant, first sergeant, and culminated his career serving as the command sergeant major for the battalion,” Augé said. “He retired as a master sergeant in 2005 for benefit purposes because he did not complete additional coursework at the U.S. Army Sergeants Major Academy.”

This isn’t the first time that Walz’s National Guard rank has come up in a campaign.

In their 2018 paid letter to the West Central Tribune, when Walz was running for governor, the two Minnesota National Guard retired command sergeants major who criticized Walz for retiring before the Iraq deployment also wrote: “Yes, he served at that rank, but was never qualified at that rank, and will receive retirement benefits at one rank below. You be the judge.”

https://www.factcheck.org/2024/08/attacks-on-walzs-military-record/

You'll notice that in the MPR article I linked to that Harris refers to Walz as Sergeant Major.

[electric_blue68]

9. Thank you! Really interesting information!

Wow, about what Wals's ear surgery was: 3-D printed ear bones!
One's called the staple from what I remember.
Thank goodness, they have medically/surgically advanced that far!


I hope you got a chance to at least take flying lessons at some point post your military service.

[3catwoman3]

17. The 3 bones are the malleus, incus...

…and stapes, in that order, from outermost to innermost.

[electric_blue68]

28. Ty

[et tu]

41. or more generic-hammer, anvil and stirrup

[oldsoftie]

40. You can get knee replacements using 3D printed knee parts

That way the part is made to fit YOU instead of YOU being carved up to fit the one-size-fits-all part.
That lessens pain & recovery time. But not every surgeon is doing it yet.

[grumpyduck]

10. The other part of this is

that by the time you get to be a senior NCO, the military isn't going to risk losing you on the front lines after all your experience and training. You are valuable.

Walz was in an artillery unit, like me. We did not pack a rifle like infantry units, although we were targets. A senior NCO's job would be administration, not being on the front lines.

Vance is not only wrong, he's a lying piece of degenerate cock-sucking shit.

[3catwoman3]

19. Your colorful characterization has me...

…snorting thru my nose.

[willamette]

34. Your colorful language has got me thinking ...

Is this descriptor, "cock-sucking", that is one who performs fellatio, ever used in a positive sense? I get the idea that each and every time this adjective is used, it is meant to be derogatory, as is the pejorative "Suck my dick!" Very interesting.

[sarge43]

49. Tell us how you really feel about Weido Jr.

Don't hold back.

[CanonRay]

11. Thanks for the post, lots I didn't know.

[Bo Zarts]

12. My dad was a WW-2 arty officer ..

His hearing loss was profound. But he was philosophical, and joked about it .. especially the tinnitus. “If those crickets ever stop chirping, I’ll know that I’m dead.” My dad was a Walz-type guy.

And Robin Williams as Adrian Cronauer in “Good Morning, Vietnam,” joked about combat induced hearing loss in the riff with artilleryman Bob Feeber: “Just play anything .. but play it LOUD! OK?” But it was serious joking with a salient point.

[Klarkashton]

13. It was an absurd stupid remark by a dimwit being fed

Speech gotchas by tech billionaire's stooges without any vetting.

"This will move the needle! Let them have it pudgy weird beard hahahaha....yes masters I will thank you!"

[CTyankee]

29. that's "pudgy weird beard with black eyeliner." That's so fun!

[Orrex]

14. Yeah, but did he have bonespurs?

[czarjak]

15. The Donald had to have Pearl Harbor explained to him.

F-THAT!

[canetoad]

16. Thank you

Facts matter.

[3catwoman3]

18. Very informative. Thanks.

from AF vet.

[Zoomie1986]

22. That and people that high up in rank

Just don't go to war all that often. My chief always joked that he'd be the last out the door in a war, because the USAF had sunk too much money in him to let it go to waste.

[Zoomie1986]

23. On a more serious note

The upper ranks of enlisted rarely go to war because most of them aren't field troops anymore, but middle management or aides to officers, that sort of thing. They're needed for other roles that are also important.

[Jarqui]

24. Before adding this, for clarity I'm outraged by this attack on Walz

I've been researching this due to being so upset about it and came across this.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2018/10/03/tim-walz-national-guard-career-minnesota-governor-race

Hearing compromised
Walz did suffer health consequences from all those howitzer cannon booms. U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs records supplied by Walz after MPR News inquired about the scope and timing of the damage show he filed a claim for bilateral hearing loss and tinnitus with the agency in 2013.

In a benefits application, Walz spoke of blasts that "would knock us down and after firing I had ringing in my ears" and hearing loss that progressively worsened during his 21 years in the field artillery unit.

In late 2002, he was ordered to appear before a medical retention board about the hearing impairment. After waiting for a decision for months, he was given clearance to serve out the remaining years of his final six-year enlistment.

Medical records show that in 2005 Walz underwent stapedectomy surgery, a procedure in which damaged bones inside the ear are replaced with a prosthesis. He said it has improved his hearing.

They acknowledged the problem and
"he was given clearance to serve out the remaining years of his final six-year enlistment."
Part of his duties in Italy was training soldiers headed to combat in the use of weapons of war - including artillery. He probably shouldn't have been doing that.

But with that problem, he should not be going into combat - so I agree with the above.

My great uncle got in a fist fight with disorderly drunks while on duty as a police officer and suffered a detached retina. The police forced him to retire. I guess the army missed it as he served ... (he lied about his age too). They weren't a fussy back then I guess. But even back then, there were disqualifying conditions.

My Dad was denied combat because of problems with his feet. They did not feel he could march for miles with them. So he trained soldiers in the use of weapons of war like Walz. He had a bone spurs like problem but didn't use it to get out of serving his country. He talked about training soldiers freezing after pulling the pin on a hand grenade. US military loses too many of their members while training - it is not the safest occupation.

So they belittle Walz efforts training soldiers in the use of weapons of war (in Italy for example) and allege some transgression about him saying he carried weapons of war. Part of the duty of his unit was to protect US bases in Italy during a time of war against terrorists. They were securing against potential terrorist attack in a foreign country. Two of those bases were Ghedi & Aviano air bases .. that had 10-30 nuclear warheads. "Raise your hands class, if you think Walz & his unit protected those nuclear bases from terrorist attack with sling shots and pocket knives - instead of carrying the weapons of war"

[Martin68]

33. My Dad was allowed to enlist in the Navy during WWII, but was required to do daily exercise to strengthen his

" flat feet." The thing is , he was always an avid hiker and backpacker, and never suffered any ill effects from his low arches.

[Wild blueberry]

27. Thank you for this useful information

Appreciate!

[MsLeopard]

30. I saw a video right before he was chosen as VP

It was from when he was running for governor the first time, I believe, and it was during a debate. He was taking about everyone deserves healthcare and told his personal story. He said that from being around so much ordinance while serving that he developed very serous ear problems. Because he had VA care, they did the surgery.

Soon after he was in bed one morning and heard a strange noise, he asked his wife what it was and she said, “That’s your baby daughter crying.” He seemed very emotional when he said that without that healthcare he would never have heard his daughter from the bedroom. I’ve searched and searched for that video since then and cannot find it anywhere now. But it showed what a human and decent man he is, and I know he will do us proud as Vice President.

[Donkees]

51. He mentioned being able to finally hear his daughter Hope ''wake up singing every morning'' ...

Here's his radio ad from 2006, you might find the video you saw using the search term ''singing'' instead of crying.

Link to tweet

[MsLeopard]

52. That's the video!

Thank you for posting it. I had the facts wrong, but it’s a good story about a lovely man.

[Donkees]

53. "Hope wakes up singing every morning" is also a powerful message

[Martin68]

32. Thanks for the information. This should be more widely disseminated.

[Charmin One]

35. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

What a joke! He should be laughed out of his candidacy

[C Moon]

36. The gop is up to the same old tricks again. I'm sure they have some boring old thing planned for Oct.

[sarge43]

37. Working flight lines and flight decks is another way troops lose their hearing

My husband spent 20 years working around flight lines, plus he also helped out the EOD crews. His hearing was shot to hell.

[jmowreader]

48. Signals intelligence soldiers are usually also stone deaf

They tend to turn the volume on their receivers up all the way so they can hear those tiny voices in the wilderness in their headphones, which means they listen to loud static 8 to 12 hours per day.

[jujubeets]

38. Something fishy here

If cheato getting stung in the ear can drop out of the news cycle why can't the stolen valor claims? Even Pete Buttigieg is going on CNN saying it happened but is excusable. Why bring it up at all anymore? There's too much video of Walz appearing to claim experience he did not have.
Appearances can be deceiving. So let's stop having appearances already!

[NJCher]

43. you're being sarcastic?

because this doesn't even rise to the level of ABD, if I'm reading it correctly.

[twodogsbarking]

45. Weird, eh.

[twodogsbarking]

44. When you have hearing loss your brain will try to figure out what you did not hear

and make you believe something other than what was real.
That can be confusing. Trust me.

[Nixie]

47. Rec! I also heard Pelosi today say Walz stayed extra because of 9/11.

He served 18 or 20 more years than JV, so it can be said that JV abandoned the military because he left. He could have been a lifer.

[Javaman]

50. My brother in law was artillery in the NG

He’s retired now about 10 years. He has massive hearing problems