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lees1975

(7,046 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:13 PM Aug 2024

We are seeing a different pattern form for this election.

Kamala Harris has led a remarkable three weeks of campaigning for President of the United States. I think a contrast has been made between the Democratic ticket and Republican ticket, and between Harris and Trump, that has convinced a lot of Americans, including a growing number of Republicans, that there are multiple reasons for not electing Trump, not only to preserve the integrity and dignity of the Presidency, but to save the country from extremism and the destruction of its democracy.

The tone has changed. If you read much of what I post, you will know I don't trust the polling data, and I think they protect themselves with their own media coverage that often turns into an apologetic for their mistakes and miscalculations. I agree with the Vice President, we don't need to pay much attention to the polls, we just need to keep moving forward, work hard for the next 87 days, and make sure we keep a close eye on every single ballot and every single trick the GOP attempts to try, because they are going to try to cheat.

Having said that, if I can take just a moment of optimism, I think we are headed toward as close to a landslide election as we have seen since Lyndon Johnson beat Barry Goldwater in 1964. I don't expect to see those kinds of numbers, perhaps not ever again. But I think the Vice President will get more electoral votes than the President did in 2020. I'm shocked that the media has conceded the polling data shift that we have seen, and I am wondering what exactly we haven't seen. I think we're at least looking at Obama 2008 numbers.

Here we go.

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lees1975

(7,046 posts)
4. My biggest concern is not the attacks, since it appears the GOP is resorting to vulgar name calling and they don't
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:43 PM
Aug 2024

have anything else that's working. And that's not working. But it's the election deniers they have in places where they can mess up the certification of votes. I'm hoping we have enough people and attorneys to bring charges and get these people out of the way quickly. To be honest, with all of the eyes that watch this stuff, and in the states where the certification will be critical, they'd be foolish to try, but some of them are that foolish.

I honestly don't think Trump would have beaten Biden. When it comes down to it, enough Americans knew what was at stake to put a stop to this. It was the media's constant pushing of the "he's too old" theme, and then bending the polling data to attempt to show that's what was happening to support the narrative, then they got the surprise of his debate performance to trigger it.

Harris has put together one of the most experienced political campaign management teams we've seen, again, probably since Obama's first run, maybe going back to Johnson. They're trying to be more positive, which is working, and they're also getting in some digs that have Trump throwing ketchup against the wall at Mar-a-Lago. Look at his meltdowns. That's going to hurt him a lot. It's killing him that she's packing out arenas and venues he won't even try because of the empty seats.

duncang

(3,767 posts)
3. One of the things I wonder about
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:25 PM
Aug 2024

Is will tfg make it? I’m not talking about him staying in the race. He won’t give up on that and if someone tried to convince him to step down it would just make him worse. I’m pretty sure they are trying to keep him stable. I also think it’s by medication. I doubt having people follow him around printing out feel good articles won’t help. I also get the feeling he will collapse before this is over.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
6. Did you catch his press conference?
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 10:54 PM
Aug 2024

He's on something.

The rambling, the lost train of thought, abrupt switches to different topics, dwelling on irrelevant points, repeating the same themes. If the media were honest, that was a far worse performance than Biden's debate. There's a reason that his campaign team cleared the schedule, and put the speaking tour in J.D. Vance's hands, though his presence on the campaign trail is putting Ohio back into the "toss up" category. Trump is either sick with some kind of cold or COVID, or they're trying to build his stamina back up. There are things we don't see, like his having to be helped up and down steps and stairs.

duncang

(3,767 posts)
7. I saw part of it.
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 11:10 PM
Aug 2024

And I do tend to make sure my assumptions are stated as assumptions. I try to keep away from stating things are facts unless I have an actual source from a decent news source.

Now ask me if he’s an idiot. Yeah, I’m sure he is. Do I think he’s a criminal. Yes, he’s been convicted.

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
8. Unless there's a leak from inside, we're going to be speculating. But that, also, is one of their tactics.
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 11:19 PM
Aug 2024

The help getting up steps has been covered by several news sources. During the press conference, his whole demeanor and appearance looked like he was quite weary. He's changed his makeup, that's visible. But it's the speaking that makes me notice the difference, even from a couple of years ago.

His niece wrote a book that gives some insights into what's going on. If you haven't read it, it's quite helpful in understanding the guy.

duncang

(3,767 posts)
10. Without reading her book
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 11:50 PM
Aug 2024

I can see he’s not all there. I saw that the first time he ran. But like I said I’m not going to say he has X personality disorder or like some saying he was on adderal unless I see it in what I consider a reputable source. As to Mary Trump I like her and she does make good points. But again not a report from his psychiatrist. I mean look at the couch/Vance bit it’s not true but it is funny he has to defend himself from a lie after all the lies they’ve spread.

Things that should make tfg unelectable have been already proven in court. Both his felonies and the numerous fraud cases he has lost. The contractors he shafted on payments. The provable things he has done and said in public.

Tribetime

(7,145 posts)
9. I'm feeling two thousand and eight vibes. Instead of Indiana
Sat Aug 10, 2024, 11:36 PM
Aug 2024

We win Ohio as a surprise. Along with Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Nevada ....and if I dare to dream Florida but I think there might be too many shenanigans there

liberalla

(11,089 posts)
11. I just had a thought about a possible landslide... Is it possible we could get to 270 without any of the
Sun Aug 11, 2024, 12:03 AM
Aug 2024

states where they will be contesting the results and refusing to certify the election? According to Rachel Maddow and RollingStone, there are 70 confirmed election officials who are committed election deniers in the swing states of AZ, GA, MI, NV, NC & PA.

If (big IF), we got to 270 without any of those EV's, would it matter if those states didn't certify, because the magic number of 270 had already been reached?

It seems a fantasy now, but if this is a blue tsunami, aka a landslide, it could happen... right?
That would be one way around all the court battles, and put a kibosh on Project 2025!

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
14. Of all of those swing states, only Georgia has Republicans in statewide offices.
Sun Aug 11, 2024, 08:39 AM
Aug 2024

Right now, in Arizona, two election denier county supervisors are being tried for breaking the law by not certifying their county's mid term ballots after two counts and an audit, when the county election supervisor verified the total. That would have disenfranchised 55,000 voters, and the sec. of state was prepared to certify over the supervisors if they had failed to certify. All of those states have Democrats in positions to certify votes if election deniers at the county level refuse or get arrested for refusing.

usonian

(25,325 posts)
13. The Trumpster probably won't make it to November. Remember, expect the unexpected.
Sun Aug 11, 2024, 12:19 AM
Aug 2024


LAND SHARK!

That (un)said, I do see a Goldwater-like scenario where all the dirt they threw at Joe Biden comes right back (with interest) on them.
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