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[Frank D. Lincoln]

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[QED]

1. I think "problems" with the election will come down to election officials refusing to certify the results

We've seen that already in primaries. The goal is to send the election to the House.

[Lonestarblue]

3. Yep.

[AllaN01Bear]

6. from what i hear , lawyers plan to sue the electors if they dont do their duty.

[QED]

8. Will this happen in time to avoid having the election go to the House?

There are deadlines for certifying the election results. If a deadline passes and the electors haven't certified, then what?

[AllaN01Bear]

9. i dont know,

[Lonestarblue]

2. Good sentiments, but how is President Biden to get the DOJ to cooperate?

“President Biden needs to state that on Election Day, the national guard will be used throughout the country to maintain order and protect voters from intimidation. He should state emphatically that political violence will not be tolerated and will be swiftly quashed by the full weight of the law. Furthermore, President Biden should warn that any election official throughout the country who refuses to certify election results without a legitimate cause will be arrested on the spot and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for election interference.”

Not one person who refused to certify or committed crimes by creating fake electors has been punished. Only a few states have even bothered to investigate, and many of these people are still in positions to screw up this year’s election. There is no deterrence without punishment. Biden does not tell the DOJ who to prosecute and obviously the DOJ chose to leave the state criminals alone. I doubt they would act after the 2024 election. Too political.

[QED]

4. Some consequences...

Something similar to Arizona's experience from the article excerpted below happened in Georgia. I don't know if people were charged. IIRC, the new law enables delay of certification. Trump was praising this - saying great people, etc.

In Arizona:

Crosby and Judd currently serve on the Cochise County Board of Supervisors as Republicans. They voted to delay certification of the vote in 2022, saying they wanted a meeting to hear evidence about county vote-tallying machines and whether they were properly certified. By that time, they had ignored repeated legal advice from the board's attorneys that their actions were illegal.

Crosby and Judd were quickly sued, including by then-Secretary of State Katie Hobbs. One lawsuit resulted in a court order to certify the result, which the supervisors convened to do — although Crosby didn't show up. Judd ultimately joined Supervisor Ann English, a Democrat, in voting 2-0 to send the results to Hobbs just four days before the statewide canvass.

Democratic Attorney General Kris Mayes later investigated and presented the case to a grand jury, securing an indictment.

https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/elections/2024/06/18/election-case-against-cochise-county-supervisors-moves-ahead/74140207007/

[GaYellowDawg]

7. I would tell Garland

Either back this strongly or get the hell out right now, and we'll appoint an interim AG who will back this. Tell Garland that if Trump could find an AG to protect his ass, that Biden can damn well find an AG who will protect our democracy.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

10. "...but how is President Biden to get the DOJ to cooperate?"

President Biden can replace the DOJ whenever he wants to with someone who'll do what needs to be done to protect our democracy. Forget about political 'appearances.' Our very democracy is at stake. If Trump get back in as a result of a coup, he and his allies are going to completely fuck us and our country. They hate us. They're even willing to kill us if that's what it takes for them to grab onto power. Don't you get that by now?

I know people here aren't going to want to hear this, but if President Biden doesn't lay down the law and let's rightwing extremist successfully carry out a coup, then as far as I'm concerned, President Biden will be a de facto co-conspirator. No disrespect to President Biden. I appreciate him for all he's done for our country. But, when we need him the most, he needs to do is fuckin' job to protect us, our country, and our democracy.

Some Du'ers need to stop being defeatist. That kind of thinking can lead to a fascist takeover of our country.

The political right is ruthless. To defeat them, we have to stand up to them and not make any excuses. Don't obsess over mistakes of the past. Concentrate on now and the future. Democracy is ours to keep or to lose.

We're NOT going to lose.

When we fight we win!

[DET]

5. I Would LOVE to See This

So much better to preemptively let them know that their BS will not be tolerated. Whether it’s strictly legal or not, I don’t know.

[Frank D. Lincoln]

11. I want to also say this.

I've been a regular donor to the Biden-Harris campaign and now the Harris-Walz campaign. If Harris-Walz legitimately lose the election (which they won't), then I wouldn't feel that my money was spent in vain (it was necessary to give Harris-Walz a fighting chance). But if Trump is allowed to steal the election (he can't do it unless he is allowed to do so), then my money will have been spent in vain, essentially stolen from me. The same thing applies to people who donate their time to help Harris-Walz be elected. If Harris-Walz legitimately lose (they won't), then that time will not have been spent in vain (it was necessary to give Harris-Walz a fighting chance). But if Trump is allowed to steal the election, then that time will have basically been stolen from them.

President Joe Biden, who is now a de facto king, should do whatever he needs to do to keep Trump, who is currently out on bail for a failed coup attempt in 2020, from returning to power via another coup.