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speak easy

(12,598 posts)
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:03 AM Aug 2024

"Our target is the Democratic Party" - Palestinian protest organizer.

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:37 AM - Edit history (2)

The elevation of Vice President Kamala Harris to the top of the ticket is not deterring ahead,” said [Hatem] Abudayyeh or others planning to march. Nor has it softened his inflammatory language towards the Democratic candidate, having previously referred to Biden as “Genocide Joe.”

“It’s still about ending the genocide,” he said. “Our target is the Democratic Party and the leadership of the party and ‘Killer Kamala’ is one of them.” Abudayyeh justifies the monikers for Biden and Harris, saying, “we feel that their administration is responsible for this ongoing war and genocide. We just couldn’t think of a name for Antony Blinken.”

[Hatem Abudayyeh, is the chair of the U.S. Palestinian Community Network] part of the Coalition to March on the DNC, an alliance of groups and activists that started planning demonstrations as soon as Chicago was picked to host the Democratic convention in April 2023.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/meet-the-dnc-protesters/

Hatem Abudayyeh is a first generation Palestinian American. He has called for the 'dissolution of the Zionist state.' Planning for the DNC protest began in April 2023. Abudayyeh has not organized protests against the Republican Party.

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"Our target is the Democratic Party" - Palestinian protest organizer. (Original Post) speak easy Aug 2024 OP
hatem likes being in the usa more than in gaza thats for sure nt msongs Aug 2024 #1
Translation: Let's ratfuck American Democracy by pretending we really give a shit about Palestine. OAITW r.2.0 Aug 2024 #2
Evil people in my opinion. Hatred of humanity. Trueblue1968 Aug 2024 #100
Planning began in April 2023??? lapfog_1 Aug 2024 #3
The implications of his own words are frightening. PeaceWave Aug 2024 #5
Malcolm Nance said Oct. 7 took a long time to plan so yes, advance knowledge and it was designed to be betsuni Aug 2024 #9
Yes, Hamas had to know how Netanyahu would respond Martin Eden Aug 2024 #20
If this individual or his organization had prior knowledge of October 7 thucythucy Aug 2024 #30
They'd just have to know to be ready for major protests after September. betsuni Aug 2024 #87
Wouldn't that still imply some sort of contact thucythucy Aug 2024 #89
I've been convinced since Oct 8 that the Hamas attacks were planned deliberately. yardwork Aug 2024 #21
The Gaza Strip was not some idyllic paradise prior to the brutal attack. GreenWave Aug 2024 #37
The planning for the PROTEST was started months before the war started lapfog_1 Aug 2024 #72
There was a sizable protest back in 2021... Self Esteem Aug 2024 #108
Na..they were planning on protests with or without an attack or war in Gaza. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #63
maybe... but any such protest was almost irrelevant in past years lapfog_1 Aug 2024 #79
Heads I win, tails you lose. bottomofthehill Aug 2024 #4
Only Hurting their Own Cause roscoeroscoe Aug 2024 #6
Agreed. I don't support Hamas or Netentheyahoo. JanMichael Aug 2024 #83
Is this funded by AIPAC? PSPS Aug 2024 #7
?? speak easy Aug 2024 #8
Agree with your confusion Mossfern Aug 2024 #38
A stalking horse to undermine democrats on bibi's behalf. PSPS Aug 2024 #75
The CT was that AIPAC spent millions getting Democrats elected (like Cori Bush's opponent), but betsuni Aug 2024 #86
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar TexasBushwhacker Aug 2024 #10
They prefer vinegar. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #64
Oh gosh, what a surprise. But it doesn't matter to me. Not even registering on my radar...m FlyingPiggy Aug 2024 #11
Let's hope that the police in Chicago can maintain order SocialDemocrat61 Aug 2024 #12
trust me, it will b dealt w well. mopinko Aug 2024 #13
As long as they "peacefully" protest outside of the Democratic Convention, and don't JohnSJ Aug 2024 #28
You can count on bomb threats and that type of stuff edisdead Aug 2024 #77
Wish someone would ask them what they think Trump will do to solve the issue. I imagine he would Vinca Aug 2024 #14
They don't care about Trump. They are seeking revenge on the Democratic Party, speak easy Aug 2024 #15
Exactly. Israel was created because Jews were being slaughtered in the Middle East. yardwork Aug 2024 #22
And their "revenge" attitude is why the ME is so eff'd up... LeftInTX Aug 2024 #61
Thank you. n/t OneGrassRoot Aug 2024 #78
Myopic Stuckinthebush Aug 2024 #16
Starting to appreciate Israel's side a little bit more. Yavin4 Aug 2024 #17
Yes. What we are doing will make things worse, speak easy Aug 2024 #18
Not self-destruction. Destruction of Israel and all Jewish people. yardwork Aug 2024 #23
When you don't have the means to destroy Israel... Yavin4 Aug 2024 #24
And now they want to destroy the US Dems. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #42
I think these people people are far more interested in American elections than they are Palestinian citizens Takket Aug 2024 #19
I think he's definitely more interested in a double cheeseburger than Palestinian kids. BannonsLiver Aug 2024 #49
Burger Para722 Aug 2024 #101
*Pro Hamas protest organizer BannonsLiver Aug 2024 #25
* "Palestinian resistance must be supported." speak easy Aug 2024 #31
Abudayyeh has publicly stated he supports hamas and the destruction of Israel. He has made JohnSJ Aug 2024 #26
+1. POS and his gang should not be allowed inside dalton99a Aug 2024 #35
Unless they have credentials, they won't be allowed anywhere near the UC, GoCubsGo Aug 2024 #102
What a moron .. JT45242 Aug 2024 #27
This is so crazy it beggars description... ananda Aug 2024 #29
Like Hamas, they want revenge, speak easy Aug 2024 #33
Thanks, that was helpful. ananda Aug 2024 #43
I'm beginning to wonder who is funding these protests. Lonestarblue Aug 2024 #32
Exactly. Follow the money. Someone is funding this guy and his organization. Midnight Writer Aug 2024 #36
Only beginning? ;-) Some of us have been telling everyone AkFemDem Aug 2024 #48
Ratfucking assholes should go to Palestine and wage their jihad there dalton99a Aug 2024 #34
What a way to turn a wealth of sympathy against them-- if they move from peaceful protest to disruption... hlthe2b Aug 2024 #39
They are not naive. They know what they are doing. LeftInTX Aug 2024 #59
No. The protest leadership are, but they are attracting the ignorant and the naive' among youth. hlthe2b Aug 2024 #65
How do you think Bibi got in power? The Arabs-Israelis got him in via revenge LeftInTX Aug 2024 #67
And that has what to do with ignorant impressionable manipulated college students protesting in Chicago? hlthe2b Aug 2024 #71
Well, the "naive manipulated 53 yo college student" who is heading the protests was raided by the FBI in 2010 LeftInTX Aug 2024 #107
And again, you KNOW I have repeatedly made clear I am NOT talking about the organizers. Said it at least 4x hlthe2b Aug 2024 #109
Placating this backwash only emboldens them. TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #94
I said absolutely nothing that you are putting forth. ABSOLUTUTELY NOTHING. I don't deal with those who purposely hlthe2b Aug 2024 #95
We will see what wiping and dangling for these backward fucks has bought us. TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #98
Not just ignorant and naive, but entitled, privileged and bored out of their idle minds. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #104
Despite multiple warnings, the "wealth of sympathy" was grossly misplaced from the start. Beastly Boy Aug 2024 #99
These tribal wars in the Middle East based on grudges that are thousands of travelingthrulife Aug 2024 #40
They want Trump to win the election. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #41
Yes, they want revenge on the Democratic Party, speak easy Aug 2024 #44
They are doing what their minders pay them to do. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #45
IMO, some are just haters. speak easy Aug 2024 #47
Yes the paid operatives know how to recruit haters. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #50
Prime ratfuckery. speak easy Aug 2024 #51
Yes this has GOP/Putin fingerprints all over it. Irish_Dem Aug 2024 #52
+1. It is plain as day dalton99a Aug 2024 #85
The pro-Hamas pro-terrorism "protestors" AkFemDem Aug 2024 #46
Hey Hatem...Are you going to wear a speedo The Unmitigated Gall Aug 2024 #53
If these people are so passionate they should be sent over there. Historic NY Aug 2024 #54
Do these protestors realize that TFG will impose a Muslim ban and give Bibi free reign to destroy Gaza? LetMyPeopleVote Aug 2024 #55
IMO they don't care. Like Hamas on October 7, they are only interested in revenge. speak easy Aug 2024 #56
They don't care if Trump wins... OneGrassRoot Aug 2024 #57
I want no part in these people being in our tent. Ace Rothstein Aug 2024 #58
my thoughts exactly rollin74 Aug 2024 #69
We can win without them. PeaceWave Aug 2024 #70
Not as likely with our collective nose up their shitty ass TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #96
I don't think he sees the irony Mosby Aug 2024 #60
Having these asses hate on Dems is very good for Dems gulliver Aug 2024 #62
I actually think it's a good look for the Democratic Party rollin74 Aug 2024 #66
It's still genocide. Iggo Aug 2024 #68
A genocide that tRump is for and Harris not Iwasthere Aug 2024 #73
Hamas slaughtered babies, raped girls, gunned down concert-goers, and they wonder about Gaza? Deek1935 Aug 2024 #91
Idiot mcar Aug 2024 #74
Fifth Columnists DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2024 #76
What needs protesting is.. quickesst Aug 2024 #80
and the MAGAts are giddy; they are HOPING for chaos and violence New Breed Leader Aug 2024 #81
Needs to stop eating the propaganda. JanMichael Aug 2024 #82
Oh, the irony. Behind the Aegis Aug 2024 #84
"We just couldn't think of a name for Antony Blinken." NoveltySocks Aug 2024 #88
FOOLS both killing their own cause and helping the Trump Cult who hates them. BLIND DEAF FOOLS! Deek1935 Aug 2024 #90
Park a food truck nearby. Turbineguy Aug 2024 #92
So, I guess by fucking up this country, it'll UNfuck Gaza. Buns_of_Fire Aug 2024 #93
Same as the rest. Death to Israel! Death to America!!! Death to the West!!! TheKentuckian Aug 2024 #97
Hatem can F off Bristlecone Aug 2024 #103
Am I the only one who finds his first name, birdographer Aug 2024 #105
I'd find him to be more sincere Abolishinist Aug 2024 #106

OAITW r.2.0

(32,133 posts)
2. Translation: Let's ratfuck American Democracy by pretending we really give a shit about Palestine.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:08 AM
Aug 2024

And there is sweet money pouring into our bank accounts to create a shit show in Chicago. Because we really believe Trump's policy for the ME, especially Jared's plan's for the Gaza Coast.

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
3. Planning began in April 2023???
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:12 AM
Aug 2024

WTF?

Did they have advance warning of the brutal attack on TEENS and TWENTY-SOMETHINGS ( unarmed ) at a rave party???

How did they know there would be an Israeli response they term a "genocide" so they could come up with the cute and clever names for people that had NOTHING to do with the Hamas attack and Israeli response?

betsuni

(29,075 posts)
9. Malcolm Nance said Oct. 7 took a long time to plan so yes, advance knowledge and it was designed to be
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:38 AM
Aug 2024

unprecedented.

Not war, a genocidal ISIS type terrorist attack executing every civilian they came across one by one (except for hostages) because Hamas wanted Israel to go insane, provoking them to storm across the border for an apocalyptic battle in the middle of 2.2 million Palestinians. The more Palestinian civilian casualties the better for Hamas (especially babies and children) in order to gain the support of the Arab world and terrorist groups around the world. All well planned, publicized, create your own reality. Project what Hamas does, genocide and war crimes, on Israel and U.S. Democrats.

Martin Eden

(15,624 posts)
20. Yes, Hamas had to know how Netanyahu would respond
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:47 AM
Aug 2024

Which means Hamas knew their Oct 7 attack would result in mass civilian casualties in Gaza.

Blaming this on the Democratic Party makes no sense. Attacking the Harris campaign makes even less, since another Trump presidency would in every way be much worse for the Palestinian cause.

One has to question the motives and strategy of the protest leaders.

thucythucy

(9,103 posts)
30. If this individual or his organization had prior knowledge of October 7
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:59 AM
Aug 2024

wouldn't this mean they are in contact with Hamas?

And if so, wouldn't this violate some provision of US law?

Just wondering.

betsuni

(29,075 posts)
87. They'd just have to know to be ready for major protests after September.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:46 PM
Aug 2024

That's what I think.

thucythucy

(9,103 posts)
89. Wouldn't that still imply some sort of contact
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:03 PM
Aug 2024

with the people plotting October 7?

I suppose if it was indirect contact, conveyed somehow through some intermediary, that might get them off the hook.

Still seems unsettling though.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
21. I've been convinced since Oct 8 that the Hamas attacks were planned deliberately.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:03 AM
Aug 2024

I think it's very possible that some of these people had advance warning. The organized protests the very next day against the victims - complete with professionally designed flyers and cute emojis - were not spontaneous.

We know that Russia influenced the 2016 election via online propaganda. The supposedly spontaneous online propaganda that erupted simultaneously across numerous platforms the day after Hamas attacked Israel looked and felt like 2016 propaganda. The repeated use of the same phrases and motifs, the viral emojis, not an accident. Not grassroots.

GreenWave

(12,640 posts)
37. The Gaza Strip was not some idyllic paradise prior to the brutal attack.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:20 AM
Aug 2024

Why the piling on here?

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
72. The planning for the PROTEST was started months before the war started
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 12:02 PM
Aug 2024

funny... I don't remember massive pro Palestinian campus protests in any of the proceeding 20 or 30 or 40 years.

How did the protest organizers KNOW that there would BE a war to protest in April of 2023, months before the Oct 7th attack?

LeftInTX

(34,286 posts)
63. Na..they were planning on protests with or without an attack or war in Gaza.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:39 AM
Aug 2024

They've been wanting BDS (Boycott, Divest and Sanctions) for decades.

lapfog_1

(31,904 posts)
79. maybe... but any such protest was almost irrelevant in past years
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 12:24 PM
Aug 2024

a dozen or so people with signs. This sounds like there was coordination before the attack of Oct 7,2023.

Israel's reaction to the mass murder of 1200 people, many of them unarmed young people at a rave, was predictable. In fact, I would have said it was restrained compared to the USA reaction to 9/11 that killed over 3000 people. I mean, we even started a war on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Killed maybe 150,000 civilians... maybe as many as 500,000. We will never know.

but the attack on Oct 7th... something like that did take many months if not years of planning... maybe not to the exact time and date but the nature of the attack and the predictable response... and the next chess move was to ensure that world would see thousands of "defenseless civilians" pay the price ( mostly by creating human shields out of those civilians ). And the right wing idiots in Israel fell right into the trap. Hamas was not hiding this, it was stated that this was the goal by their very evil leadership long before the attack. Gaza was an open air prison with few prison guards... and to be in Gaza all one had to do was to be born in Gaza or trapped there previous to the expansion of Israel... the illegal expansion. But I sure don't remember the thousands of anti-Israel ( and anti Jewish ) protests in the cities and college campuses before October 7 2023.

If these protest leaders KNEW of the coming attack before Oct 7... I don't know what law they broke, but I'm sure there is a law against having that information and possibly being paid to organize the protest to the predictable Israeli war. They should be arrested and charged with accessory after the fact or something in the post 9/11 anti terrorism laws.

bottomofthehill

(9,390 posts)
4. Heads I win, tails you lose.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:21 AM
Aug 2024

You stupid pack of fucks. If Trump wins, may you be the first duchebags on the deportation list, if he does not, may VP Harris have a long memory.

What a bunch of assholes. Tell your terrorist friends to apologize to Israel, turn over the 10/7 attackers and return the hostages and the carnage will stop as there will not be a reason for it any longer.

roscoeroscoe

(1,825 posts)
6. Only Hurting their Own Cause
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:20 AM
Aug 2024

That is the sad reality of this kind of misguided, spiteful 'protest.'

For heaven's sake, give Harris some room and time to get elected, maybe even support the campaign. You get more with honey than you do with the stick, if I can mix those sayings up.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
83. Agreed. I don't support Hamas or Netentheyahoo.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 12:58 PM
Aug 2024

And I doubt that there will ever be lasting peace in that region due to such strongly healed religious beliefs on all sides. Just one crisis after another until we're all dead and cremated or buried.

betsuni

(29,075 posts)
86. The CT was that AIPAC spent millions getting Democrats elected (like Cori Bush's opponent), but
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:41 PM
Aug 2024

changed their mind and now the CT is that they spend lots of money so that Democrats won't get elected. Maybe that's it? If it is, they should really get their diabolical World Domination Plan more organized, have more meetings.

TexasBushwhacker

(21,202 posts)
10. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:39 AM
Aug 2024

If they really think they'll get more progress from the Republicans than from the Democrats, I've got news for them. Perhaps they should put the screws to Hamas.

FlyingPiggy

(3,748 posts)
11. Oh gosh, what a surprise. But it doesn't matter to me. Not even registering on my radar...m
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:37 AM
Aug 2024

I can’t fight for everything & my focus is to just beat the living shit out of trump in november, get roe v wade back on track, & bury this project 2025 bullshit. These Palestinians need to check themselves and get in line.

SocialDemocrat61

(7,645 posts)
12. Let's hope that the police in Chicago can maintain order
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 07:15 AM
Aug 2024

and show restraint in dealing with the protestors. If it were up to me, Dems should send Reps Tlaib and Omar to reach out to protestors and diffuse the situation. Any outbreak of violence in Chicago this week will be blown out of proportion by the corporate media and play on a loop until November.

mopinko

(73,723 posts)
13. trust me, it will b dealt w well.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 07:56 AM
Aug 2024

we ALLL know what they’re up to. we wont let it happen.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
28. As long as they "peacefully" protest outside of the Democratic Convention, and don't
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:56 AM
Aug 2024

interfere or disrupt the Convention, I have no problem, but the moment they start to get violent, or try to break into the Convention center, they need to be stopped before it gets started.


edisdead

(3,396 posts)
77. You can count on bomb threats and that type of stuff
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 12:13 PM
Aug 2024

They are going to try to interrupt/shut down the convention.

Vinca

(53,990 posts)
14. Wish someone would ask them what they think Trump will do to solve the issue. I imagine he would
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:00 AM
Aug 2024

tell Netanyahu to nuke them and get it over with.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
15. They don't care about Trump. They are seeking revenge on the Democratic Party,
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:09 AM
Aug 2024

Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:42 AM - Edit history (1)

going all the way back to Harry Truman, when the UN resolutions, creating the state of Israel were passed. They blame Carter, for splitting the Arab World, and Clinton for the failure of the Norwegian Peace Accords. The Biden Administration sold Israel bombs that were dropped on Gaza. End of Story.

yardwork

(69,364 posts)
22. Exactly. Israel was created because Jews were being slaughtered in the Middle East.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:08 AM
Aug 2024

The children and grandchildren of the Arab Muslims who tried to annihilate all Jews 100 years ago are still trying to annihilate all Jews.

I don't agree with much of what Israel is doing, especially in recent years, but I can understand why so many Israelis think their only chance of survival is to fight back hard.

LeftInTX

(34,286 posts)
61. And their "revenge" attitude is why the ME is so eff'd up...
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:36 AM
Aug 2024

That's how they do business over there. They got Bibi in because they boycotted an election. They don't see the dysfunction as a problem, and they get a kick over how it's a "western problem"

Stuckinthebush

(11,203 posts)
16. Myopic
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:29 AM
Aug 2024

They are pushing the people who do/will support their cause away from their cause with this myopic behavior.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
17. Starting to appreciate Israel's side a little bit more.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:35 AM
Aug 2024

When you're dealing with people hell bent on self destruction, there's not much else that you can do.

 

Yavin4

(37,182 posts)
24. When you don't have the means to destroy Israel...
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:27 AM
Aug 2024

all that you will do is destroy yourself.

Takket

(23,714 posts)
19. I think these people people are far more interested in American elections than they are Palestinian citizens
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:42 AM
Aug 2024

BannonsLiver

(20,593 posts)
49. I think he's definitely more interested in a double cheeseburger than Palestinian kids.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:59 AM
Aug 2024

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
31. * "Palestinian resistance must be supported."
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:02 AM
Aug 2024

Hatem Abudayyeh

“The U.S. and Israel will continue to describe Hamas, Hezbollah and the other Palestinian and Lebanese resistance organizations as ‘terrorists,’ but the real terrorists are the governments and military forces of the U.S. and Israel. The vast majority of the world sees and understands this, and are in full support of Lebanese, Palestinian and worldwide resistance to Israel and the U.S.’s naked aggression, war, imperialism and occupation.”

“This mass movement against war and imperialism must continue, and the Lebanese and Palestinian resistance must be supported."

https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/722.pdf
 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
26. Abudayyeh has publicly stated he supports hamas and the destruction of Israel. He has made
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:51 AM
Aug 2024

no bones about it.

He sure isn't a Democrat. He can peacefully protest all he wants outside of the Convention, but he has NO RIGHT to interfere or disrupt the Convention.

GoCubsGo

(34,911 posts)
102. Unless they have credentials, they won't be allowed anywhere near the UC,
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:57 PM
Aug 2024

let alone inside. And, I highly doubt that they do. As I understand it, there are already barricades surrounding the building, with a fairly wide margin. Their protests will be confined to a nearby park. If they stray anywhere near the United Center, there will be CPD waiting for them, and Illinois National Guardsmen as necessary. They are on standby, as I understand it. Here's hoping they are not necessary.

JT45242

(4,043 posts)
27. What a moron ..
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:54 AM
Aug 2024

He thinks the convicted felon who worships Bibi netanyahu will be better for Palestinians.

Did he miss the Muslim ban?

Idiocracy at work

ananda

(35,141 posts)
29. This is so crazy it beggars description...
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 09:58 AM
Aug 2024

since Bibi is a Trumper and only wants to
destroy all Palestinians.

It makes me wonder if they are really
pro-Palestine.

Lonestarblue

(13,477 posts)
32. I'm beginning to wonder who is funding these protests.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:04 AM
Aug 2024

Creating chaos and protests against Democrats only helps Trump. Electing Trump does not help end the war in Gaza or help Palestinians. If anything, it will make their lives worse because Trump will given Bibi the green light to murder every single one of them. It really is counterproductive to their stated goal unless their real goal is just to cause Democrats to lose the election.

Midnight Writer

(25,409 posts)
36. Exactly. Follow the money. Someone is funding this guy and his organization.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:16 AM
Aug 2024

And I bet the goal of the funder has only a peripheral connection to the Israel/Hamas war.

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
48. Only beginning? ;-) Some of us have been telling everyone
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:57 AM
Aug 2024

Since last October who emboldens these terrorists and wannabe jihadists.

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
39. What a way to turn a wealth of sympathy against them-- if they move from peaceful protest to disruption...
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:34 AM
Aug 2024

The question is whether they will both internalize and follow this truth?

And A BIG "NO" to to those lumping them all as "Jihadists"...There are naive' (often painfully ignorant) idealists among them too. No matter how strong one's views on the issue, such refusal to see the complexity or to flatly deny their right to protest is very much a MAGA trait and something I am not about to defend. Yes, there are inciting infiltrators of MANY STRIPES. They should face legal response if their acts become violent or illegal. But we cannot give them a 1968-reminiscent violent result. That is what reflexive emotional response gets us.

LeftInTX

(34,286 posts)
59. They are not naive. They know what they are doing.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:30 AM
Aug 2024

They are hardliners who really don't care who wins the election.

Revenge on the Democratic party is more important to them than "who wins".
That's how it works in the ME and that's one reason, it's so eff'd up over there.

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
65. No. The protest leadership are, but they are attracting the ignorant and the naive' among youth.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:42 AM
Aug 2024

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If you do not want to see the worst of outcomes, you need to realize that. Are malign protest rabble-rousing infiltrators manipulating them? I just said so. But we cannot be stupid and we have to keep police restrained from giving them a propaganda victory from reacting BEYOND what is absolutely necessary. There is no such thing as a pyrrhic VICTORY. Only a pyrrhic debacle.

LeftInTX

(34,286 posts)
67. How do you think Bibi got in power? The Arabs-Israelis got him in via revenge
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:43 AM
Aug 2024

They got revenge on Shimon Peres.

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
71. And that has what to do with ignorant impressionable manipulated college students protesting in Chicago?
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:58 AM
Aug 2024

I detest Netanyahu and his Likudists with a burning heat. They have done more to harm Israel and Israelis than just about any "intentional malign plant" could have--especially now. Netanyahu has sold out his people just like Trump has-- to cover his own corruption. That is a separate subject.

But, no. I do not want to see terrorist-associated organizers get a pyrrhhic VICTORY with violence in Chicago--at the expense of democracy--which is what is most at risk NOW. Those along for the ride-- with zero sense of history and naive' to the manipulation of protest organizers-- are still going to paint a sympathetic person as the world's cameras zoom in on Chicago. So, conflating them all and suggesting police should not do all possible to contain WITH restraint is nuts and totally self-defeating. You may think all are the same--all are terrorists--I'll bet their grieving parents (on camera) won't feel that way if violence should ensue.

LeftInTX

(34,286 posts)
107. Well, the "naive manipulated 53 yo college student" who is heading the protests was raided by the FBI in 2010
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 06:40 PM
Aug 2024

He knows [b]exactly what he's doing.

Tired of all the excuses....I've been around the block myself. Dealt with student PLO groups in 1980.



Target of FBI terror-support raid visited W.H.

Last Friday, FBI agents executed a search warrant at Abudayyeh’s Chicago home as part of a coordinated series of raids involving at least one other Chicago site, along with the homes of anti-war activists in Minnesota. A copy posted on the web of a grand jury subpoena served on one target of the raids in Minneapolis demands “all records of any payment provided directly or indirectly to Hatem Abudayyeh, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (“PFLP”) or the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (“FARC”).”

A search warrant served on a Minneapolis anti-war activist, Michael Kelly, ordered agents to seize records relating to Kelly’s travels to “Palestine, Colombia, and … within the United States.” It also mentions possible connections to Hezbollah.

The warrant and subpoena suggest the probe, which is being run by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago, is focusing on illegal support for terrorist organizations, particularly by a Minnesota-based group called the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. PFLP, FARC and Hezbollah are designated as terrorist groups by the U.S. government. A spokesman for Fitzgerald’s office declined to comment on the probe.

https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2010/10/target-of-fbi-terror-support-raid-visited-wh-029665


Maybe he's mad at Democrats because Obama's FBI raided his home.

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
109. And again, you KNOW I have repeatedly made clear I am NOT talking about the organizers. Said it at least 4x
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 07:33 PM
Aug 2024

So, I like you, LeftInTx, but that is beyond disingenuous to keep claiming otherwise. Bye.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
94. Placating this backwash only emboldens them.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:54 PM
Aug 2024

Every little nod in their general direction just fuels greater stridency.

Stop encouraging the terrorists.

Stop begging them to cooperate.

Stop asking for their votes in vain.

Being sympathetic in the least has engendered an environment where peaceable events and order are off the table and now there will be chaotic disruptions that can help the enemy and act like throwing anchors to ourselves.

Only idiots think they can have a nest of vipers as pets and friends.

Fuck this garbage!

hlthe2b

(113,950 posts)
95. I said absolutely nothing that you are putting forth. ABSOLUTUTELY NOTHING. I don't deal with those who purposely
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:58 PM
Aug 2024

try to put forth garbage in a feeble and dishonest attempt to reframe the argument. Shame on you. Real Democrats/progressives, and yes, Israel-supporters do not stoop to such shameful tactics.

That you find offense in my desire not to see violence makes a tremendous statement. If you get the outcome you seemingly are supporting--and those protests become a violent 1968-level 24/7 televised spectacle overtaking the DNC and our efforts to save democracy-- what benefit do you see for any of us? sigh...

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
98. We will see what wiping and dangling for these backward fucks has bought us.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:22 PM
Aug 2024

The answer to terrorists is not to let them have their way for "peace", they will just fire up the Hemi on the moving goalposts.

My offense is with inviting the ratfucking and more than half ass getting tied up in it not the desire to avoid or minimize violence but better to set some boundaries than let them just have their way.

We don't have time or space for their bullshit, they risk our self determination, prosperity, and liberty in pursuit of genocidal ambitions.

Fuck em side ways with a rusty dumpster.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
104. Not just ignorant and naive, but entitled, privileged and bored out of their idle minds.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 04:22 PM
Aug 2024

Having chosen to disengage their acumen in pursuit of adrenalin rush , they were (and are) easy prey for peddlers of violence for a cause they know jack shit about.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
99. Despite multiple warnings, the "wealth of sympathy" was grossly misplaced from the start.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:35 PM
Aug 2024

It wouldn't have been made possible without a wealth of willful ignorance to accompany it.

It's not like Hamas was a complete unknown deserving benefit of doubt.

travelingthrulife

(5,179 posts)
40. These tribal wars in the Middle East based on grudges that are thousands of
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:44 AM
Aug 2024

years old will seemingly never end. So many people have tried to negotiate peace between the various parties, but when a large proportion of each group or country's population wants the other party dead and nothing less will do, how can it ever end?

Irish_Dem

(81,257 posts)
50. Yes the paid operatives know how to recruit haters.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:59 AM
Aug 2024

And to manipulate others into their wicked plans.

Irish_Dem

(81,257 posts)
52. Yes this has GOP/Putin fingerprints all over it.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:07 AM
Aug 2024

I said that from the beginning as soon as Hamas attacked Israel.

Hamas was not capable of planning and executing that attack without serious
help from others.

 

AkFemDem

(2,508 posts)
46. The pro-Hamas pro-terrorism "protestors"
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 10:55 AM
Aug 2024

Have unfortunately done a great job at hijacking the stoned, drunk, coddled brains of American college students and they’ve gathered enough of them to enact a huge display of caterwauling and shrieked demands throughout the DNC. They’re major spoilers and expect to see and hear them a lot… and expect the media to focus on them.

Hatem (haha seriously, what a name) and his ilk are primed and excited about this opportunity. This is what some democrats have allowed to happen and y’all can just wallow in it now. Hopefully it won’t be enough ratfuckery to influence the actual election, but mark my words- they’re going to ruin our convention.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
53. Hey Hatem...Are you going to wear a speedo
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:10 AM
Aug 2024

At the beach resort Kushner constructs after Trump gives Bibi the green light to end Gaza and every Palestinian living there?

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,823 posts)
55. Do these protestors realize that TFG will impose a Muslim ban and give Bibi free reign to destroy Gaza?
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:17 AM
Aug 2024

Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of Kamala Harris' Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.



https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391

In theory, Donald Trump might recognize the electoral opportunity and try to appeal to those who disapprove on the incumbent president’s Israel/Gaza policy from the left. In practice, the former president has an unsubtle message for Biden’s critics: If given the chance, the Republican intends to be vastly worse.

The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, “weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.”

Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.

Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places,” Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. “Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees.” Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by “tremendous hate” while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.


Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.


At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......

The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, “We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. It’s a horrible thing, but they have to do it.” Trump added that Israel must “clean out the cancer.”

Let’s also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trump’s team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.

speak easy

(12,598 posts)
56. IMO they don't care. Like Hamas on October 7, they are only interested in revenge.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:22 AM
Aug 2024

(see #15)

OneGrassRoot

(23,953 posts)
57. They don't care if Trump wins...
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:28 AM
Aug 2024

Yes, they are fully aware that everything for everyone, globally and domestic, will get exponentially worse. They know this.

Some are delusional enough, or selfish/privileged enough to not consider what that will REALLY look like. The perpetual cynic, “Meh, they’re all alike. How much worse can it really get?”

Others are simply self-destructive. Yes it’s selfish but they’re consumed with bitterness and revenge.

The third group of current protesters are accelerationists. They KNOW the devastation a Trump and fellow authoritarians will bring. They welcome it. They believe the only way to rebuild a more just world is by destroying what is. The suffering and death that will ensue is collateral damage of their envisioned revolution.

They know.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
96. Not as likely with our collective nose up their shitty ass
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:03 PM
Aug 2024

We need to tell them no fucking dice and to fuck completely off, your threats have no purchase or influence here so choose accordingly or don't and just go to hell.

 

Mosby

(19,491 posts)
60. I don't think he sees the irony
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:33 AM
Aug 2024

Of accusing Israel of genocide, and at the same time personally supporting the "dissolution" of Israel.

gulliver

(13,985 posts)
62. Having these asses hate on Dems is very good for Dems
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:38 AM
Aug 2024

We're not their friends. If they want to stink up our convention and be obnoxious, they're more than welcome to try. It will give Harris and Walz a chance to smack them down. Political gold.

rollin74

(2,299 posts)
66. I actually think it's a good look for the Democratic Party
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 11:42 AM
Aug 2024

to have these Pro-Hamas nuts vocally opposed to us

We wouldn’t want to be associated with them anyway

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
91. Hamas slaughtered babies, raped girls, gunned down concert-goers, and they wonder about Gaza?
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:16 PM
Aug 2024

It is not genocide. It is trying to get rid of the bloodthirsty Hamas murderers and hostage-takers who started this and knew just what Netanyahu would do. They use human shields. Hamas doesn't care about innocent Palestinians.

That said, yes, of course the loss of innocent life is horrific. Hamas needs to stand down, agree to the ceasefire, and release the hostages and Israel will also agree to the ceasefire and a way to move forward.

Arafat rejected a two-state deal when Bill Clinton was in office.

quickesst

(6,309 posts)
80. What needs protesting is..
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 12:45 PM
Aug 2024

...... the willful ignorance, any semblance of consideration of what a trump presidency would bring, and any hint whatsoever of what would solve their perceived problems. Another classic case of a group protesting, and possibly voting against their own best interests. It's easy to protest war and violence while sitting in the comfort of America's bosom. There are two problems in all of this, and they are named Hamas, and netanyahu. Eliminate these two problems, and the path to peace and a two state solution becomes much more possible.

JanMichael

(25,725 posts)
82. Needs to stop eating the propaganda.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 12:55 PM
Aug 2024

I know that is mean but please ... That piece of shit needs to get his ass to Gaza and do something about instead of fucking with this election.

NoveltySocks

(415 posts)
88. "We just couldn't think of a name for Antony Blinken."
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 01:54 PM
Aug 2024

I mean, I don't agree with this guy at all but I still managed to think up a couple of nicknames in however many seconds it took me to read the OP that match the childishness of their nicknames for Biden and Harris. I strongly doubt that this guy is the brains behind this operation. Or the "muscle" for that matter.

 

Deek1935

(1,055 posts)
90. FOOLS both killing their own cause and helping the Trump Cult who hates them. BLIND DEAF FOOLS!
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:09 PM
Aug 2024

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
93. So, I guess by fucking up this country, it'll UNfuck Gaza.
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 02:43 PM
Aug 2024

Good to know where Hate-em's loyalties are.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
97. Same as the rest. Death to Israel! Death to America!!! Death to the West!!!
Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:12 PM
Aug 2024

The whole bowel movement is about empowering the most regressive actors on the globe, killing Jews, and defeating western civilization from top to bottom and every stop in between.

They will spend every last drop of Palestinian blood just in pursuit of their shitty cause.

Cut the blind and foolish naivete of ANYTHING otherwise being even a minor factor in the ambitions of these folks.

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