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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums"Our target is the Democratic Party" - Palestinian protest organizer.
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Its still about ending the genocide, he said. Our target is the Democratic Party and the leadership of the party and Killer Kamala is one of them. Abudayyeh justifies the monikers for Biden and Harris, saying, we feel that their administration is responsible for this ongoing war and genocide. We just couldnt think of a name for Antony Blinken.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/interactive/2024/meet-the-dnc-protesters/
Hatem Abudayyeh is a first generation Palestinian American. He has called for the 'dissolution of the Zionist state.' Planning for the DNC protest began in April 2023. Abudayyeh has not organized protests against the Republican Party.

msongs
(73,752 posts)OAITW r.2.0
(32,133 posts)And there is sweet money pouring into our bank accounts to create a shit show in Chicago. Because we really believe Trump's policy for the ME, especially Jared's plan's for the Gaza Coast.
Trueblue1968
(19,251 posts)lapfog_1
(31,904 posts)WTF?
Did they have advance warning of the brutal attack on TEENS and TWENTY-SOMETHINGS ( unarmed ) at a rave party???
How did they know there would be an Israeli response they term a "genocide" so they could come up with the cute and clever names for people that had NOTHING to do with the Hamas attack and Israeli response?
PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)betsuni
(29,075 posts)unprecedented.
Not war, a genocidal ISIS type terrorist attack executing every civilian they came across one by one (except for hostages) because Hamas wanted Israel to go insane, provoking them to storm across the border for an apocalyptic battle in the middle of 2.2 million Palestinians. The more Palestinian civilian casualties the better for Hamas (especially babies and children) in order to gain the support of the Arab world and terrorist groups around the world. All well planned, publicized, create your own reality. Project what Hamas does, genocide and war crimes, on Israel and U.S. Democrats.
Martin Eden
(15,624 posts)Which means Hamas knew their Oct 7 attack would result in mass civilian casualties in Gaza.
Blaming this on the Democratic Party makes no sense. Attacking the Harris campaign makes even less, since another Trump presidency would in every way be much worse for the Palestinian cause.
One has to question the motives and strategy of the protest leaders.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)wouldn't this mean they are in contact with Hamas?
And if so, wouldn't this violate some provision of US law?
Just wondering.
betsuni
(29,075 posts)That's what I think.
thucythucy
(9,103 posts)with the people plotting October 7?
I suppose if it was indirect contact, conveyed somehow through some intermediary, that might get them off the hook.
Still seems unsettling though.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)I think it's very possible that some of these people had advance warning. The organized protests the very next day against the victims - complete with professionally designed flyers and cute emojis - were not spontaneous.
We know that Russia influenced the 2016 election via online propaganda. The supposedly spontaneous online propaganda that erupted simultaneously across numerous platforms the day after Hamas attacked Israel looked and felt like 2016 propaganda. The repeated use of the same phrases and motifs, the viral emojis, not an accident. Not grassroots.
GreenWave
(12,640 posts)Why the piling on here?
lapfog_1
(31,904 posts)funny... I don't remember massive pro Palestinian campus protests in any of the proceeding 20 or 30 or 40 years.
How did the protest organizers KNOW that there would BE a war to protest in April of 2023, months before the Oct 7th attack?
Self Esteem
(2,248 posts)LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)They've been wanting BDS (Boycott, Divest and Sanctions) for decades.
lapfog_1
(31,904 posts)a dozen or so people with signs. This sounds like there was coordination before the attack of Oct 7,2023.
Israel's reaction to the mass murder of 1200 people, many of them unarmed young people at a rave, was predictable. In fact, I would have said it was restrained compared to the USA reaction to 9/11 that killed over 3000 people. I mean, we even started a war on a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. Killed maybe 150,000 civilians... maybe as many as 500,000. We will never know.
but the attack on Oct 7th... something like that did take many months if not years of planning... maybe not to the exact time and date but the nature of the attack and the predictable response... and the next chess move was to ensure that world would see thousands of "defenseless civilians" pay the price ( mostly by creating human shields out of those civilians ). And the right wing idiots in Israel fell right into the trap. Hamas was not hiding this, it was stated that this was the goal by their very evil leadership long before the attack. Gaza was an open air prison with few prison guards... and to be in Gaza all one had to do was to be born in Gaza or trapped there previous to the expansion of Israel... the illegal expansion. But I sure don't remember the thousands of anti-Israel ( and anti Jewish ) protests in the cities and college campuses before October 7 2023.
If these protest leaders KNEW of the coming attack before Oct 7... I don't know what law they broke, but I'm sure there is a law against having that information and possibly being paid to organize the protest to the predictable Israeli war. They should be arrested and charged with accessory after the fact or something in the post 9/11 anti terrorism laws.
bottomofthehill
(9,390 posts)You stupid pack of fucks. If Trump wins, may you be the first duchebags on the deportation list, if he does not, may VP Harris have a long memory.
What a bunch of assholes. Tell your terrorist friends to apologize to Israel, turn over the 10/7 attackers and return the hostages and the carnage will stop as there will not be a reason for it any longer.
roscoeroscoe
(1,825 posts)That is the sad reality of this kind of misguided, spiteful 'protest.'
For heaven's sake, give Harris some room and time to get elected, maybe even support the campaign. You get more with honey than you do with the stick, if I can mix those sayings up.
JanMichael
(25,725 posts)And I doubt that there will ever be lasting peace in that region due to such strongly healed religious beliefs on all sides. Just one crisis after another until we're all dead and cremated or buried.
PSPS
(15,320 posts)Mossfern
(4,715 posts)would like clarification
PSPS
(15,320 posts)betsuni
(29,075 posts)changed their mind and now the CT is that they spend lots of money so that Democrats won't get elected. Maybe that's it? If it is, they should really get their diabolical World Domination Plan more organized, have more meetings.
TexasBushwhacker
(21,202 posts)If they really think they'll get more progress from the Republicans than from the Democrats, I've got news for them. Perhaps they should put the screws to Hamas.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)FlyingPiggy
(3,748 posts)I cant fight for everything & my focus is to just beat the living shit out of trump in november, get roe v wade back on track, & bury this project 2025 bullshit. These Palestinians need to check themselves and get in line.
SocialDemocrat61
(7,645 posts)and show restraint in dealing with the protestors. If it were up to me, Dems should send Reps Tlaib and Omar to reach out to protestors and diffuse the situation. Any outbreak of violence in Chicago this week will be blown out of proportion by the corporate media and play on a loop until November.
mopinko
(73,723 posts)we ALLL know what theyre up to. we wont let it happen.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)interfere or disrupt the Convention, I have no problem, but the moment they start to get violent, or try to break into the Convention center, they need to be stopped before it gets started.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)They are going to try to interrupt/shut down the convention.
Vinca
(53,990 posts)tell Netanyahu to nuke them and get it over with.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2024, 08:42 AM - Edit history (1)
going all the way back to Harry Truman, when the UN resolutions, creating the state of Israel were passed. They blame Carter, for splitting the Arab World, and Clinton for the failure of the Norwegian Peace Accords. The Biden Administration sold Israel bombs that were dropped on Gaza. End of Story.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)The children and grandchildren of the Arab Muslims who tried to annihilate all Jews 100 years ago are still trying to annihilate all Jews.
I don't agree with much of what Israel is doing, especially in recent years, but I can understand why so many Israelis think their only chance of survival is to fight back hard.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)That's how they do business over there. They got Bibi in because they boycotted an election. They don't see the dysfunction as a problem, and they get a kick over how it's a "western problem"
OneGrassRoot
(23,953 posts)Stuckinthebush
(11,203 posts)They are pushing the people who do/will support their cause away from their cause with this myopic behavior.
Yavin4
(37,182 posts)When you're dealing with people hell bent on self destruction, there's not much else that you can do.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)but we want revenge (see #15)
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Yavin4
(37,182 posts)all that you will do is destroy yourself.
Irish_Dem
(81,257 posts)Takket
(23,714 posts)BannonsLiver
(20,593 posts)Para722
(16 posts)Spit drink out my nose great lime and true
BannonsLiver
(20,593 posts)speak easy
(12,598 posts)Hatem Abudayyeh
This mass movement against war and imperialism must continue, and the Lebanese and Palestinian resistance must be supported."
https://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/722.pdf
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)no bones about it.
He sure isn't a Democrat. He can peacefully protest all he wants outside of the Convention, but he has NO RIGHT to interfere or disrupt the Convention.
dalton99a
(94,110 posts)GoCubsGo
(34,911 posts)let alone inside. And, I highly doubt that they do. As I understand it, there are already barricades surrounding the building, with a fairly wide margin. Their protests will be confined to a nearby park. If they stray anywhere near the United Center, there will be CPD waiting for them, and Illinois National Guardsmen as necessary. They are on standby, as I understand it. Here's hoping they are not necessary.
JT45242
(4,043 posts)He thinks the convicted felon who worships Bibi netanyahu will be better for Palestinians.
Did he miss the Muslim ban?
Idiocracy at work
ananda
(35,141 posts)since Bibi is a Trumper and only wants to
destroy all Palestinians.
It makes me wonder if they are really
pro-Palestine.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)and don't care about the consequences. (see #15)
ananda
(35,141 posts)It won't be any kind of good revenge,
not even close.
Lonestarblue
(13,477 posts)Creating chaos and protests against Democrats only helps Trump. Electing Trump does not help end the war in Gaza or help Palestinians. If anything, it will make their lives worse because Trump will given Bibi the green light to murder every single one of them. It really is counterproductive to their stated goal unless their real goal is just to cause Democrats to lose the election.
Midnight Writer
(25,409 posts)And I bet the goal of the funder has only a peripheral connection to the Israel/Hamas war.
AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)Since last October who emboldens these terrorists and wannabe jihadists.
dalton99a
(94,110 posts)hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)The question is whether they will both internalize and follow this truth?
And A BIG "NO" to to those lumping them all as "Jihadists"...There are naive' (often painfully ignorant) idealists among them too. No matter how strong one's views on the issue, such refusal to see the complexity or to flatly deny their right to protest is very much a MAGA trait and something I am not about to defend. Yes, there are inciting infiltrators of MANY STRIPES. They should face legal response if their acts become violent or illegal. But we cannot give them a 1968-reminiscent violent result. That is what reflexive emotional response gets us.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)They are hardliners who really don't care who wins the election.
Revenge on the Democratic party is more important to them than "who wins".
That's how it works in the ME and that's one reason, it's so eff'd up over there.
hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)Last edited Sun Aug 18, 2024, 03:00 PM - Edit history (1)
If you do not want to see the worst of outcomes, you need to realize that. Are malign protest rabble-rousing infiltrators manipulating them? I just said so. But we cannot be stupid and we have to keep police restrained from giving them a propaganda victory from reacting BEYOND what is absolutely necessary. There is no such thing as a pyrrhic VICTORY. Only a pyrrhic debacle.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)They got revenge on Shimon Peres.
hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)I detest Netanyahu and his Likudists with a burning heat. They have done more to harm Israel and Israelis than just about any "intentional malign plant" could have--especially now. Netanyahu has sold out his people just like Trump has-- to cover his own corruption. That is a separate subject.
But, no. I do not want to see terrorist-associated organizers get a pyrrhhic VICTORY with violence in Chicago--at the expense of democracy--which is what is most at risk NOW. Those along for the ride-- with zero sense of history and naive' to the manipulation of protest organizers-- are still going to paint a sympathetic person as the world's cameras zoom in on Chicago. So, conflating them all and suggesting police should not do all possible to contain WITH restraint is nuts and totally self-defeating. You may think all are the same--all are terrorists--I'll bet their grieving parents (on camera) won't feel that way if violence should ensue.
LeftInTX
(34,286 posts)He knows [b]exactly what he's doing.
Tired of all the excuses....I've been around the block myself. Dealt with student PLO groups in 1980.
Target of FBI terror-support raid visited W.H.
Last Friday, FBI agents executed a search warrant at Abudayyehs Chicago home as part of a coordinated series of raids involving at least one other Chicago site, along with the homes of anti-war activists in Minnesota. A copy posted on the web of a grand jury subpoena served on one target of the raids in Minneapolis demands all records of any payment provided directly or indirectly to Hatem Abudayyeh, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) or the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC).
A search warrant served on a Minneapolis anti-war activist, Michael Kelly, ordered agents to seize records relating to Kellys travels to Palestine, Colombia, and
within the United States. It also mentions possible connections to Hezbollah.
The warrant and subpoena suggest the probe, which is being run by U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald in Chicago, is focusing on illegal support for terrorist organizations, particularly by a Minnesota-based group called the Freedom Road Socialist Organization. PFLP, FARC and Hezbollah are designated as terrorist groups by the U.S. government. A spokesman for Fitzgeralds office declined to comment on the probe.
https://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2010/10/target-of-fbi-terror-support-raid-visited-wh-029665
Maybe he's mad at Democrats because Obama's FBI raided his home.
hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)So, I like you, LeftInTx, but that is beyond disingenuous to keep claiming otherwise. Bye.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Every little nod in their general direction just fuels greater stridency.
Stop encouraging the terrorists.
Stop begging them to cooperate.
Stop asking for their votes in vain.
Being sympathetic in the least has engendered an environment where peaceable events and order are off the table and now there will be chaotic disruptions that can help the enemy and act like throwing anchors to ourselves.
Only idiots think they can have a nest of vipers as pets and friends.
Fuck this garbage!
hlthe2b
(113,950 posts)try to put forth garbage in a feeble and dishonest attempt to reframe the argument. Shame on you. Real Democrats/progressives, and yes, Israel-supporters do not stoop to such shameful tactics.
That you find offense in my desire not to see violence makes a tremendous statement. If you get the outcome you seemingly are supporting--and those protests become a violent 1968-level 24/7 televised spectacle overtaking the DNC and our efforts to save democracy-- what benefit do you see for any of us? sigh...
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)The answer to terrorists is not to let them have their way for "peace", they will just fire up the Hemi on the moving goalposts.
My offense is with inviting the ratfucking and more than half ass getting tied up in it not the desire to avoid or minimize violence but better to set some boundaries than let them just have their way.
We don't have time or space for their bullshit, they risk our self determination, prosperity, and liberty in pursuit of genocidal ambitions.
Fuck em side ways with a rusty dumpster.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Having chosen to disengage their acumen in pursuit of adrenalin rush , they were (and are) easy prey for peddlers of violence for a cause they know jack shit about.
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)It wouldn't have been made possible without a wealth of willful ignorance to accompany it.
It's not like Hamas was a complete unknown deserving benefit of doubt.
travelingthrulife
(5,179 posts)years old will seemingly never end. So many people have tried to negotiate peace between the various parties, but when a large proportion of each group or country's population wants the other party dead and nothing less will do, how can it ever end?
Irish_Dem
(81,257 posts)speak easy
(12,598 posts)come what may.
Irish_Dem
(81,257 posts)speak easy
(12,598 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,257 posts)And to manipulate others into their wicked plans.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,257 posts)I said that from the beginning as soon as Hamas attacked Israel.
Hamas was not capable of planning and executing that attack without serious
help from others.
dalton99a
(94,110 posts)AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)Have unfortunately done a great job at hijacking the stoned, drunk, coddled brains of American college students and theyve gathered enough of them to enact a huge display of caterwauling and shrieked demands throughout the DNC. Theyre major spoilers and expect to see and hear them a lot
and expect the media to focus on them.
Hatem (haha seriously, what a name) and his ilk are primed and excited about this opportunity. This is what some democrats have allowed to happen and yall can just wallow in it now. Hopefully it wont be enough ratfuckery to influence the actual election, but mark my words- theyre going to ruin our convention.
The Unmitigated Gall
(4,710 posts)At the beach resort Kushner constructs after Trump gives Bibi the green light to end Gaza and every Palestinian living there?
Historic NY
(40,037 posts)]
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,823 posts)Donald Trump has a message for voters who disapprove of Kamala Harris' Israel/Gaza policy from the left: The Republican intends to be vastly worse.
Link to tweet
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/maddowblog/trumps-hardline-position-us-policy-gaza-matters-rcna150391
The Biden White House, for example, acknowledged this week that it is, as the Associated Press reported, weighing measures to help Palestinians living in the United States who want to bring family from the war-torn region.
Soon after, as Reuters reported, the presumptive GOP nominee shared his thoughts on the subject at a campaign rally.
Your towns and villages will now be accepting people from Gaza and various other places, Trump said, eliciting boos from the crowd. Under no circumstances shall we bring thousands of refugees. Last week, Trump described the pro-Palestinian protests as driven by tremendous hate while asserting that the violence at a 2017 white nationalist rally with some Trump supporters in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he was president was small by comparison.
Note, at one of his campaign events yesterday, Trump appeared to goad his followers in Wisconsin into booing Palestinian refugees.
Link to tweet
At the same event, the former president also vowed to restore and expand the Muslim ban he imposed during his first term......
The former president also endorsed ongoing Israeli military operations, saying, We have to let Israel complete their war on terror. Its a horrible thing, but they have to do it. Trump added that Israel must clean out the cancer.
Lets also not forget a New York Times report from March that said top members of Trumps team want to expel Palestinians from Gaza.
speak easy
(12,598 posts)(see #15)
OneGrassRoot
(23,953 posts)Yes, they are fully aware that everything for everyone, globally and domestic, will get exponentially worse. They know this.
Some are delusional enough, or selfish/privileged enough to not consider what that will REALLY look like. The perpetual cynic, Meh, theyre all alike. How much worse can it really get?
Others are simply self-destructive. Yes its selfish but theyre consumed with bitterness and revenge.
The third group of current protesters are accelerationists. They KNOW the devastation a Trump and fellow authoritarians will bring. They welcome it. They believe the only way to rebuild a more just world is by destroying what is. The suffering and death that will ensue is collateral damage of their envisioned revolution.
They know.
Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)They can get bent.
rollin74
(2,299 posts)PeaceWave
(3,383 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)We need to tell them no fucking dice and to fuck completely off, your threats have no purchase or influence here so choose accordingly or don't and just go to hell.
Mosby
(19,491 posts)Of accusing Israel of genocide, and at the same time personally supporting the "dissolution" of Israel.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)We're not their friends. If they want to stink up our convention and be obnoxious, they're more than welcome to try. It will give Harris and Walz a chance to smack them down. Political gold.
rollin74
(2,299 posts)to have these Pro-Hamas nuts vocally opposed to us
We wouldnt want to be associated with them anyway
Iggo
(49,927 posts)Iwasthere
(3,512 posts)Deek1935
(1,055 posts)It is not genocide. It is trying to get rid of the bloodthirsty Hamas murderers and hostage-takers who started this and knew just what Netanyahu would do. They use human shields. Hamas doesn't care about innocent Palestinians.
That said, yes, of course the loss of innocent life is horrific. Hamas needs to stand down, agree to the ceasefire, and release the hostages and Israel will also agree to the ceasefire and a way to move forward.
Arafat rejected a two-state deal when Bill Clinton was in office.
mcar
(46,055 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(101,849 posts)quickesst
(6,309 posts)...... the willful ignorance, any semblance of consideration of what a trump presidency would bring, and any hint whatsoever of what would solve their perceived problems. Another classic case of a group protesting, and possibly voting against their own best interests. It's easy to protest war and violence while sitting in the comfort of America's bosom. There are two problems in all of this, and they are named Hamas, and netanyahu. Eliminate these two problems, and the path to peace and a two state solution becomes much more possible.
New Breed Leader
(928 posts)JanMichael
(25,725 posts)I know that is mean but please ... That piece of shit needs to get his ass to Gaza and do something about instead of fucking with this election.
Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)NoveltySocks
(415 posts)I mean, I don't agree with this guy at all but I still managed to think up a couple of nicknames in however many seconds it took me to read the OP that match the childishness of their nicknames for Biden and Harris. I strongly doubt that this guy is the brains behind this operation. Or the "muscle" for that matter.
Deek1935
(1,055 posts)Turbineguy
(40,068 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(19,161 posts)Good to know where Hate-em's loyalties are.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)The whole bowel movement is about empowering the most regressive actors on the globe, killing Jews, and defeating western civilization from top to bottom and every stop in between.
They will spend every last drop of Palestinian blood just in pursuit of their shitty cause.
Cut the blind and foolish naivete of ANYTHING otherwise being even a minor factor in the ambitions of these folks.
Bristlecone
(11,111 posts)birdographer
(2,937 posts)"Hatem" to be kind of ironic?
Abolishinist
(2,956 posts)if he went
on a hunger strike.