"Massive" protests already underway in Chicago

[ecstatic]

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Local news is already covering it in a live stream.

Right now it's peaceful and I really hope it stays that way.

The worst case scenario would be split screens during the convention.

Edited to correct the YouTube link to ABC 7 and not the person who was restreaming their live coverage.

https://www.youtube.com/live/lRhGqHNbHvc?si=0oy2Dn5OhNybLnoS

[msongs]

1. hardly massive...obama's campaign event crowds were massive nt

[bullimiami]

83. Guy said thousands.. my eyes said a few hundred.

Is there another shot of it?

[orthoclad]

2. Expect provocateurs within the protestors

Take reports of violence with a grain of salt.

The Right did this during Black Lives Matters. They killed several cops, to start a race war.

[Bucky]

62. What?! Are you sure? That doesn't sound right.

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I think we would remember if police were killed during BLM protests. Fox wouldn't shut up about it.

The Austin American Statesman says the claim of BLM related fatalities is false

[duncang]

75. I think he's talking about

The right wing boogaloo boys who killed a cop and a security officer trying to blame it on Black Lives Matter.

[orthoclad]

79. Yes, I was brief and quick

in that post.

[orthoclad]

78. Indeed there were. Killed by Reich-wingers.

from wiki:
Boogaloo supporter Steven Carillo shot and killed a Federal security guard in Oakland, California on May 29 during a Floyd protest, later killing a police officer on June 6.[336]...By September 2020, at least fifteen people affiliated with the boogaloo movement had been arrested and five deaths had been publicly linked to boogaloo rhetoric.[342]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_and_controversies_during_the_George_Floyd_protests#Reports_of_extremist_activities_in_the_United_States
He was a sergeant in the Air Force. His getaway driver got life.

Somewhere I saved a record at the time that Carillo was in communication with a right terrorist in another state at the time of the killing, bragging that he had topped the other guy's efforts. I think this other wingnut shot into a police station.

[Bucky]

81. Thanks!

[orthoclad]

82. Beware of violence and

alleged reports of violence. It's not always what it seems on the surface.

By a large margin, political violence is a Right thing.

[JohnSJ]

3. Most of those protesters are not Democrats, and in fact made it

clear they are against both parties

I hope the MSM doesn’t over cover those protests

[Think. Again.]

5. Tonight's protest march is supposed to be for abortion rights...

"Demonstrations are expected every day of the convention and, while their agendas vary, many activists agree an immediate ceasefire in the Israel-Hamas war is the priority. Things are set to kick off Sunday on the convention’s eve with an abortion rights march along iconic Michigan Avenue."

Source: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/thousands-of-activists-calling-for-a-ceasefire-in-gaza-expected-at-the-democratic-convention

[Bev54]

9. Why would they protest the dems on abortion rights? I am not buying that, sure let's protest the party

that will bring back abortion rights, sounds like Trump made it up FFS.

[Think. Again.]

10. The Dems currently have more power to change policies...

...and they are probably going to keep that power.

Why would anyone appeal to the republican party that has no power?

[Bev54]

13. Well it seems to be a touch irrelevant to protest the party that is running on restoring abortion rights.

Sounds to me a group that could be a cover for something else. If you want abortion rights restored, you would be signing people up to vote for democrats not protesting them.

[Think. Again.]

14. Someone downthread said they are chanting AGAINST abortion rights, waiting for clarification on that....

...but as with all protests lately, I suspect any protests this week will not just be one-sided for or against any one issue, there will be a heavy amount of instigators and opposition noise also, as usual.

[Bev54]

74. So not protesting FOR abortion, as I said.

[Think. Again.]

76. Correct, turns out they're just a false-front group pretending to be ....

..."Progressives" AGAINST abortion, probably there just to rile up division among the Left.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Nonsensical wiping and dangling

What power do Democrats possess at this time to impact abortion access that is not being used?

What restrictions have Democrats imposed?

Pure reflex. No thought. Just leading the bandwagon for the regressives as per the usual with these "protesters".

[Think. Again.]

26. It turns out these protesters are some fake group...

...who are pretending to be Progressives AGAINST abortion.

It's weird, next thing you know they'll throw soup onto a pane of glass and get on the cover of every newspaper.

[Abstractartist]

42. I can see it

This convention is going to be the top news programming for the next what? 4 days. I expect to see protests in support of democrat supported issues and MAGAt supporters, Palestinian supporters, Israel supporters, etc. abortion issues are a mainstream issue, best way to get heard.

[Think. Again.]

53. Well said.

[edisdead]

48. But why protest?

Maybe rally FOR the Dems instead?

[LeftInTX]

16. Right now they're "progressive prolifers" protesting

https://paaunow.org/

[Bev54]

72. So I expect them to protest, but pro-choice to what? counter them? Not needed IMO.

And if that is what they are saying, I truly think that is a cover for something else, because democrats know they are for abortion. They don't need to "protest" the Democratic convention.

[LeftInTX]

11. Well, they're calling "Abortion is racist" and "Abortion is murder"...Progressive Anti-Abortion Uprising

https://paaunow.org/

[Think. Again.]

17. Your youtube source is intetesting...

...isnct that the guy who put the texas border protest thing on youtube a few months ago?

[LeftInTX]

18. This is the OP video in this thread! It's not "my" source, it's the OP thread's source

You can watch the video yourself.

He's probably there to document drama. Although I don't see any. These anti-abortion people are weird. However, many decades ago minorities were anti-birth control.

[ZonkerHarris]

31. Yeah, it's totally and anti-abortion rights march. They have signs that are pro trump and pro life

You should be embarrassed that you fell for this RW op.
Thread trashed

[LeftInTX]

32. They are on ABC News also....You said to find another source!

[ZonkerHarris]

34. You didn't share ABC tho. You keep defending this RW asshole and his channel. Did you read the comments in the chat?

pretty nasty Anti-Democratic stuff.
OP Blocked
Goodbye

[LeftInTX]

37. YouTube comments are always like this..Good riddance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Keepthesoulalive]

36. Which minorities

we’re against birth control. Most women support choice when it comes to family planning.

[LeftInTX]

39. In the early 60's. Early BC experiments were performed on minorities.

[Keepthesoulalive]

64. The may not have trusted

Some in the medical community. But women of all colors and faiths want to control the number of children they have. Because some loud mouths who want attention speak nonsense, they do not represent women and their needs. Ask women who are catholic about family planning.

[LeftInTX]

66. Nowadays, yes. (Which pretty includes from 1970 until now) But I imagine there is a fringe out there.

That one video sounded like a Qanon video. Kamala is a cop, who stopped filming instead Planned Parenthood, therefore police exploitations supports fetal parts harvesting.

[Keepthesoulalive]

71. No one

Wants to have children they can’t feed . We are fortunate there are more options.
Abortion has always been an option, even when it was not safe. Unfortunately we are now back in the dark ages but minorities have taken advantage of family planning as long as it has existed as have most women. I hope for all our sakes we will not go back.

[orthoclad]

47. You're falling for it?

I smell Roger Stone.

[LeftInTX]

49. Am I supposed to not fall for it??? These people are not Democrats. Why are you skeptical?

Are they Democrats or some random leftists?

[JanMichael]

63. They can fuck themselves and have their own baby

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2hwEkSGva94l-SFw9N5cY6YyUnpZE32TQgUV2bjgtFEb_2BUz_8aogwfFL7OFNaRxh1SqbIhAODAoCfeVmhWHKNM886_1GFKKXc8RqmtWzpUDgMaybe with 5 eyes or one....


https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/proxy/2hwEkSGva94l-SFw9N5cY6YyUnpZE32TQgUV2bjgtFEb_2BUz_8aogwfFL7OFNaRxh1SqbIhAODAoCfeVmhWHKNM886_1GFKKXc8RqmtWzpUDg

[Bev54]

73. So not a pro-choice group, obviously.

[mitch96]

6. I have no proof but any "protests" have tRump and putin's stink all over it.. Oh and Rodger Stone too...nt

[orthoclad]

80. Why shouldn't they cover them?

It's reality.
I would object to highly-slanted coverage. In particular, I think of a large march I was in after 3 Mile Island, and the news only showed a counter-protestor with a sign saying "A Little Nukie Never Hurt".

[Woodwizard]

85. They will cover whatever they think will get the most viewers.

[Think. Again.]

4. Looks like a small crowd with way too many cops.

[bluestarone]

7. Hope we (Dems.) can discover WHO is bankrolling these people!

I do worry about our speakers! Be ready for just about anything.

[LeftInTX]

8. "Abortion is racist" "Abortion is murder" ..OK

[Think. Again.]

12. Oh, so is the protest tonight AGAINST abortion rights?

[LeftInTX]

15. I dunno

https://paaunow.org/

[Think. Again.]

19. Wow, that group's obviously a set-up to cause confusion.

[ecstatic]

88. Maybe they're trying to confuse people into thinking that Democrats

are responsible for the bans? Some people think everything that happens is based on what the president does. They don't understand how the Supreme Court and Congress works.

[LeftInTX]

90. I have no idea. I think this is some Qanon BS.

[pat_k]

20. There are far more effective ways to lobby than protesting

I would love to see the focus shift from mounting protests to raising money and organizing citizen lobbying efforts in their own states and districts that targeted their own senators and representatives, and got publicity for those efforts -- number of calls, number of meetings with staff, what they said, where they stand, what -- if any -- conditions would prompt them to even consider adding conditions to arms support for Israel, what conditions they might consider, and so on. District polling -- where people in their state or district stand on various proposals. Get efforts going that are big enough to warrant interviews and news coverage.

In other words, actually do the tough work and organizing needed to move the needle on this.

[Think. Again.]

21. Well, protesting is all about media exposure, so they certainly succeed at that.

[pat_k]

38. True. But I don't think it will change the minds of any policy makers.

Perhaps the uncommitted delegates on the floor can productively engage, but I don't see the protesters outside influencing the thinking of policy makers or the platform committee -- except to the extent that it is seen as counterproductive.

I don't see anything on the uncommitted site about lobbying efforts or where different members of the House or Senate stand or any effort to encourage people to contact their members. Maybe it's there somewhere, but if you are trying to affect policy it seems it would be a good idea to promote engagement with the policy makers.

[Think. Again.]

43. The idea is to "petition the government for redress of grievances" as laid out in the first amendment...

That's why protesting is such a common thing.

[pat_k]

50. There is nothing wrong with protesting.

I just think that figuring out how to connect and apply our power as citizen lobbyists can take civic engagement to a new level that could be a more effective use of people power.

[Think. Again.]

59. I suspect a lot of the people in the protests agree with you, as do I.

[pat_k]

65. Here's a book that can perhaps inspire more of us

. . . to connect and engage as lobbyists -- citizen lobbyists -- as a counter to the power of money and the professional-ization of political engagement.

Lobbying for Change
Find Your Voice to Create a Better Society
Alberto Alemanno
https://www.thegoodlobby.eu/resources/lobbying-for-change/

[Think. Again.]

67. Excellent, Thank You...

...I've always thought we should have actual, paid lobbyists for the interests of the citizen population but then I get very upset that this would be necessary in a Democracy, and turn my thoughts to getting money out of politics entirely.

[pat_k]

89. Around 2006, my partner and I had a notion. . .

. . .of creating a membership organization with a sophisticated platform that enabled members to submit and vote on issues for which the organization's paid citizen lobbyists would lobby. For each campaign, professional staff would be responsible for keeping a "feedback loop" going -- i.e., reports on meetings with staffers or legislators, tracking legislator positions, follow ups for unanswered questions, and calls to action that would engage members in the process of either thanking the member for action taken, or admonishing them for being evasive, non-committal, opposed, or whatever.

We had put together a proposal and were seeking investors for software development and enough staff to pilot in a single congressional district. Our idea was that you needed to have the infrastructure and staff in place before soliciting members. That is, from day one members would be getting value for member dollars. We didn't like the notion of doing the usual soliciting of donations so we could build what was needed. To our thinking, that would be like Kinko's going door to door in a neighborhood to collect money to build a Kinkos.

We really saw this as a service organization. One that, in addition to lobbying on the "top" issues, and creating a feedback loop between the members and the citizen lobbyists they "hired," it would also provide training and support services for individuals and groups to connect and engage in their own DIY lobbying efforts. We firmly believed that our own efforts on our own behalves were worthy of support by paid professionals. And we believed members would pay a fee to get that support. The basic idea was that we needed to break out of the all volunteer, do things on a shoestring approach that leads to rapid burnout or the model of handing a donation to some organization to work on something you care about, without engaging you in the process in any way.

Anyway, we never got off the ground because we got caught up in the mortgage mess and attention shifted to our pro se lawsuit, but that is another story.

[LeftInTX]

23. How police exploitation relates to fetal organ harvesting (These people are crazy)

Breaking down why true leftists should not vote for Kamala Harris and how police exploitation relates to fetal organ harvesting

Link to tweet

Because Kamala was an AG and she ordered them to stop filming inside Planned Parenthood or something...Not gonna even investigate this any further..LOL


Sounds like Qanon shit!!!

[Think. Again.]

27. Probably the same people are behnd this too.

[ZonkerHarris]

24. You have shared a link from a RW youtuber who shares a LOT of videos about the MASSIVE INVASION at the border.

he likes to make Democrats look bad and you are helping a little bit by giving him clicks.
Perhaps a real news source would be better for sharing with this community.

[LeftInTX]

25. Find another video yourself! It's just a livestream of protests.

Alot or RWingers film protests. I'm sure he was expecting drama.

What does this video have to do with Democrats????? If they're Democrats, they should be at the convention.

[ZonkerHarris]

28. I'm sure they are glad you support their efforts. I don't. I support Democrats.

[LeftInTX]

30. I don't support them. Do you support them? Find another video.

[Think. Again.]

29. Interesting that a DUer even knew about this youtube channel to use it in an OP.

[ZonkerHarris]

33. Horrid comments in the chat section. Just racist shit. OP should be embarrassed they shared it.

[LeftInTX]

40. Here is a comment in the ABC section. There are always bad people in those chats.

Trump 2024 free free Palestine


I think you support the anti-Democratic protesters. Most of them are from the Party of Socialism and Liberation, who have their own presidential candidate.

[Think. Again.]

41. Yeah, whatever, weird shit.

Edit to add:

No, I don't support anti-Democratic anything. I do support pro-Palestinian activists though.

[LeftInTX]

44. I don't support the pro-Palestinian protesters.

If they had just had protests, then OK. But it was anti-Biden, then anti-Kamala. It seems they are more about "causing chaos" and promoting candidates from Party of Socialism and Liberation more than focusing on a particular issue.

[Think. Again.]

45. I suspect you know that the pro-Palestinian movement has been highjacked by numerous other interests.

[LeftInTX]

46. Arabs themselves can be difficult to deal with. I'm ME myself, so I know.

They can be real jerks. "My way or the highway".

They don't support compromise. The don't support governments (They prefer clans) Their issues do not resonate with westerners.

[Think. Again.]

51. I don't know what you're talking about...

I really don't care who is involved, my only interest is the protection of innocent lives. I have also denounced hamas many, many times here, not for who they are, but for what they do.

[LeftInTX]

55. But their interests are not your interests. That is why there are these issues.

If it was just peaceniks, it's one thing, but it's all mixed together and the groups don't agree on much. They have their own agenda and it's different than just a peace agenda. But the groups are all blended and you see weird stuff.

[Think. Again.]

60. I have no interest in their interests....

As I mentioned, my only interest is the protection of innocent lives.

[edisdead]

52. Why is this bullshit posted here?

[LeftInTX]

57. Why are they protesting?

[Scruffy1]

56. Yes I made the mistake of clicking the link.Why give this asshole more clicks n/t.

When you give them a click you are paying them.

[ecstatic]

87. My bad

At the time of posting, the channel streaming ABC 7 in Chicago. I will update my post with ABC 7s link. And no, I was not familiar with that YouTuber.

[mucifer]

35. Here is how local Chicago press is covering it:

https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/

https://abc7chicago.com/

https://www.chicagotribune.com/

https://chicago.suntimes.com/

So far the Suntimes and ABC Chicago have the protests as their top stories. The others have several stories before the protests are mentioned.

Fingers crossed it all goes well.

Personally I trust my Governor and the organizers about how many police they should have. It's more about what the police do. The Chicago police do have a lot of maga in their ranks. Their union frequently supports police who have been charged with murder.

[LeftInTX]

91. That group on the Chicago Sun Times is a political party with their own presidential candidate.

As to why Democrats justify these protesters who protest the Democratic Party are beyond me. They are not Democrats themselves. They might as well be Republicans or the Green Party.

Link to tweet

Socialist Presidential candidate Claudia De La Cruz marches with a massive crowd in Chicago in protest of the Democratic National Convention to demand legal abortion and an end to the genocide in Gaza



Party for Socialism and Liberation

[Prairie Gates]

54. There's like 200 people there

"Thousands"

[LeftInTX]

58. Yeah, it was a bit of a dud.

[Scrivener7]

68. Right? I've seen more "massive" crowds at high school basketball games.

[MrsCoffee]

70. Trump math.

[Bucky]

61. She needs to address them and diffuse this

I wonder what kind of $upport they're getting from right wing jillionnaires and dark money groups

[Scrivener7]

69. This is a bullshit agitation from the right. The worst

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thing she could do would be to address them.

ETA: I totally support people's right to protest what's happening in Gaza. But this ain't actually that.

[Skittles]

77. is it the Israel/Palestine bullshit

do we EVER get a break from them - UGH

[kansasobama]

84. Keep protesting-I will not support any Gaza talks

At this rate, I decline to support Gaza protesters.

Helping Orange Turd is not an acceptable solution, my Arab Americans protesters. Do not come crying when Trump attempts a cleanup of protesters if he wins.