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RandySF

(84,309 posts)
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 03:27 AM Aug 2024

Arab American voters still on fence about Harris as Dems convene in Chicago

Leaders in Metro Detroit's Arab American community said to earn their support, Vice President Kamala Harris needs to demonstrate a clear break from President Joe Biden’s approach to Israel’s war against Hamas that’s killed an estimated 40,000 people in Gaza.

The Democratic presidential nominee has not done so to date, they said, and some community members are starting to doubt she ever will since four weeks have elapsed since Biden dropped out and Harris assumed the top of the Democratic ticket.

“People are starting to lose the hope they had initially that she would do that,” said Rima Meroueh of Northville, director of the National Network for Arab American Communities based in Dearborn.

“She’s been somewhat signaling that she’s not OK with the killing of Palestinians right now, but then the administration announced another arms sale to Israel of $20 billion. … I hope she eventually chooses the well-being of Americans over the well-being of a foreign government.”





https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/politics/2024/08/18/arab-american-voters-israel-gaza-kamala-harris-democratic-national-convention-chicago-protesters/74817471007/

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Arab American voters still on fence about Harris as Dems convene in Chicago (Original Post) RandySF Aug 2024 OP
They think Trump aligns with their values?!?!!! This is NOT the time to try and strong arm ANYONE for a vote FlyingPiggy Aug 2024 #1
"...earn their support..." J_William_Ryan Aug 2024 #2
Where have we heard that befoe? Stein voters in Cha Aug 2024 #10
there's millions more gays in the usa than arabs. nt msongs Aug 2024 #3
It's a fucking binary choice. One of two people will be the next POTUS. RockRaven Aug 2024 #4
Perhaps they'd be more comfortable carrying "Sinwar for President" signs. Buns_of_Fire Aug 2024 #5
Yeah, and it won't be by the Sick Fuck Cha Aug 2024 #6
"Earn my vote" betsuni Aug 2024 #7
Hey Un Committed.. Don't look NOW BUT Cha Aug 2024 #9
It was stupid in 2016 making it about one person and purity test narcissism instead of party policy and betsuni Aug 2024 #15
Yes!... and guess who had a big hand in that Cha Aug 2024 #23
Yeah JustAnotherGen Aug 2024 #12
Yeah, gee that's a Tough one... Cha Aug 2024 #8
I'm over it JustAnotherGen Aug 2024 #11
She still reports to Biden as the VP. GreenWave Aug 2024 #13
"I hope she eventually chooses the well-being of Americans over the well-being of a foreign government." GoCubsGo Aug 2024 #14
Rima Meroueh has a very narrow, simplistic and black-&-white view of the REAL world, doesn't she? Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #16
I don't understand what these people are talking about most of the time. betsuni Aug 2024 #17
"You're not doing exactly what we want, and you're not doing it quickly enough, therefore * Oopsie Daisy Aug 2024 #18
SIGH...it happens every presidential election. There's always a faction that allegorical oracle Aug 2024 #19
Who moved the embassy to Jerusalem? Easterncedar Aug 2024 #20
Great idea... alienate the only political faction that gives a shit about you. Happy Hoosier Aug 2024 #21
I think right now with so much at stake, the furthest ecstatic Aug 2024 #22
I've lived in several cities in the Middle East, including Riyadh, for 14 years . . . hawkeye21 Aug 2024 #24

FlyingPiggy

(3,748 posts)
1. They think Trump aligns with their values?!?!!! This is NOT the time to try and strong arm ANYONE for a vote
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 03:30 AM
Aug 2024

RockRaven

(19,375 posts)
4. It's a fucking binary choice. One of two people will be the next POTUS.
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 04:00 AM
Aug 2024

You can lament the system being what it is all you like and it won't change that fact.

If it isn't Harris it will be TCF. If it isn't TCF it will be Harris. That's it. Choose.

And sitting out IS a choice -- for TCF. Only a delusional fuckwit would think that TCF is going to achieve fewer dead Palestinians than Harris.

Is that a ringing endorsement of Harris on this particular issue? Of course not, but it is a fucking binary choice. If you don't support Harris, you are de facto supporting TCF. That's just how the system works, whether or not you like it being so.

Buns_of_Fire

(19,161 posts)
5. Perhaps they'd be more comfortable carrying "Sinwar for President" signs.
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 04:06 AM
Aug 2024

That said, Netanyahu also desperately needs his ass kicked up to his shoulder blades.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
9. Hey Un Committed.. Don't look NOW BUT
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 04:42 AM
Aug 2024

if you've been Paying Attention 1/10th of the Time.. They Already have.

And Many Americans Who Love Democracy Consider it an Honor to Vote for Harris/ Walz.

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
15. It was stupid in 2016 making it about one person and purity test narcissism instead of party policy and
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 07:45 AM
Aug 2024

even more stupid now.

Cha

(319,079 posts)
8. Yeah, gee that's a Tough one...
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 04:35 AM
Aug 2024

VP Kamala Harris & Gov Tim Walz... OR the Sick ukFc & JD Couch wizz Vance.

GreenWave

(12,641 posts)
13. She still reports to Biden as the VP.
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 07:30 AM
Aug 2024

She is on his team until January. To ask her to publicly disavow any Biden policy is disingenuous.

But come next January...

GoCubsGo

(34,914 posts)
14. "I hope she eventually chooses the well-being of Americans over the well-being of a foreign government."
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 07:42 AM
Aug 2024

Back at you, Rima.

It's like they don't understand that the other guy and his son-in-law have designs on leveling Gaza, and selling it off as beachfront property.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
16. Rima Meroueh has a very narrow, simplistic and black-&-white view of the REAL world, doesn't she?
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 07:56 AM
Aug 2024

>>"I hope she eventually chooses the well-being of Americans over the well-being of a foreign government.”
Rima Meroueh has a very narrow, simplistic and black-&-white view of the REAL world, doesn't she?

betsuni

(29,078 posts)
17. I don't understand what these people are talking about most of the time.
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 07:59 AM
Aug 2024

It's like a cartoon.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
18. "You're not doing exactly what we want, and you're not doing it quickly enough, therefore *
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 08:06 AM
Aug 2024
* we're going to punish your party by doing everything we can to make sure the OTHER party wins, even if doing so will make matters worse and even if it means our objectives will NEVER be met."

Or something like that. 🤪🙄😲🤡

allegorical oracle

(6,480 posts)
19. SIGH...it happens every presidential election. There's always a faction that
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 09:35 AM
Aug 2024

allows the perfect to be the enemy of the good. Nothing is perfect; nobody is perfect.

Understand the frustration over Gaza, but the notion that djt would be more sympathetic to that issue is pure fantasy.

Hope it's untrue, but keep hearing murmurs that Arab Americans AND djt crazies plan to disrupt the convention. Hope like hell that doesn't happen.

Easterncedar

(6,269 posts)
20. Who moved the embassy to Jerusalem?
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 11:41 AM
Aug 2024

Of course whoever bribes TSF last gets his loyalty. You can at least bank on that.

Happy Hoosier

(9,535 posts)
21. Great idea... alienate the only political faction that gives a shit about you.
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 11:59 AM
Aug 2024

I'm awestruck by the political acumen.

"Hey, I know how to get them to completely capitulate to our demands! Threaten to help the fascists win!"

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
22. I think right now with so much at stake, the furthest
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 03:34 PM
Aug 2024

she should go is to say that the United States will enforce our own laws with regard to supplying military aid and support.

Leahy Law. The term “Leahy law” refers to two statutory provisions prohibiting the U.S. Government from using funds for assistance to units of foreign security forces where there is credible information implicating that unit in the commission of gross violations of human rights (GVHRs).


Right now, we appear to be in violation of the Leahy Law. And it's not a good look at all. I just saw a headline the other day saying we made more weapons shipments. At the very least, we should have made it conditional. And maybe we did. Not sure.

It's very simple: enforce the law and hold netanyahu accountable for his actions. That approach should not be controversial or divisive.

hawkeye21

(313 posts)
24. I've lived in several cities in the Middle East, including Riyadh, for 14 years . . .
Mon Aug 19, 2024, 04:32 PM
Aug 2024

I've worked with many Arab Muslims, and some I call friends. But I have to question the intelligence and motives of any individual or organization claiming to be "on the fence" about this election. None of the Arab Muslims I know would be hesitating right now. They may not agree with everything Biden and Harris are doing or that Harris has discussed in terms of the present conflict, but anyone of any race or religion who believes there is any decision to make in this race is naive at best and playing games at worst.

If you want a fair, intelligent approach to the Middle East--or to any other issue in the world--how could any sane person think it would be a better idea to go with the demented Donald and his JD than with the integrity of Kamala Harris and Tim Walz?

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