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[pwb]

1. Yawn

Staged events for our shit cable news.

[allegorical oracle]

67. Switched over for a minute...Faux is on it. Hope it simmers down. nt

[yourout]

2. Idiots.... Republicans are a far bigger obstacle to peace.

[True Dough]

12. But you know

that some idiotic ReThugs will once again portray this as "false flag" operation allegedly set up by the Dems to make the ReThugs look bad.

So much of that BS is tossed out there.

[SheltieLover]

3. This will likely not end well for pootin's puppets

[rog]

4. Thankfully no bustin' heads yet.

I hope I didn't speak too soon.

[Gaytano70]

6. Have fun in the Chicago jail ya pieces of orange shit.

[sleroy49]

63. They won't go to jail...

... any longer than it takes to fingerprint them. Illinois' Safe T Act eliminated cash bail and anything they get arrested for (unless they really hurt someone) will be non-detainable offenses.

[hlthe2b]

7. Assholes. Arrest them. Nonviolent protest is one thing. Becoming hoodlums is quite another.

[orthoclad]

62. In what way are they violent?

[hlthe2b]

77. Given I said IF they become violent, you tell me! Stop trying to start a damned fight here.

Somehow, I'm betting you've never even protested. I HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES OVER DECADES. I DID SO PEACEFULLY, NONVIOLENTLY and I RESPECTED THE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE FOR PEACEFUL PROTEST.

Come back to me when you have.

[muriel_volestrangler]

82. There's no "if" in your reply #7

The entire text was "Assholes. Arrest them. Nonviolent protest is one thing. Becoming hoodlums is quite another."

Now, you also didn't state directly that they are violent. but you did call for their arrest, without qualification, and your justification seems to be "they're hoodlums", a term which does imply violence.

[hlthe2b]

85. Unless YOU are advocating for violence, we have no disagreement, try as you might to suggest otherwise.

Last edited Tue Aug 20, 2024, 06:18 AM - Edit history (1)

Try to actually read the OP and if you possibly can to COMPREHEND context. Breaking through barriers does NOT imply nonviolent protest..

[muriel_volestrangler]

87. You didn't write the OP, and there's no "if" there either. Getting through barriers is not "violent"

Have you never pushed something non-violently?

It seems to me there are people, like the tweet in the OP, who use the word "violent" when it's just movement they disapprove of.

[hlthe2b]

88. NOPE

You are not worth a second more of my (or anyone else's) time since you obviously want violence to ensue and maximum disruption and harm.

[muriel_volestrangler]

89. OK, it's clear that you need definitions of 'violence'

"The core meaning of violence is the deliberate infliction of bodily violation or harm on one individual human being by another. " Cambridge Dictionary of Sociology
"Violence is the exertion of substantial force, either physical or emotional, with the intent of causing harm to another individual or group of individuals." Gale Encyclopedia of Public Health
" (1) the use of force to cause physical harm, death, or destruction (physical violence); (2) the causing of severe mental or emotional harm, as through humiliation, deprivation, or brainwashing, whether using force or not (psychological violence); (3) more broadly, profaning, desecrating, defiling, or showing disrespect for (i.e., “doing violence” to) something valued, sacred, or cherished" Cambridge Dictionary of Philosophy
"Violence is an aggressive form of behaviour. It is an intentional act against another person. Generally, violence is a physical act, although it can take the form of bullying. It is illegal to threaten a person with violence. People can suffer mental damage from threats of violence as much as people suffer physical damage from physical attacks." Hutchinson Unabridged Encyclopedia
"Violence is a property of force. A force is violent if it ‘violates’, i.e. if it breaks and destroys that to which it is applied." Palgrave Macmillan Dictionary of Political Thought
and so on. So, no, pushing barriers aside that separate one part of a public space from another is not "violence".

[hlthe2b]

91. That you want maximal violence & harm to come to this group, rather than peaceful protest is eviden--t take it elsewhere

I'm done with you.

[muriel_volestrangler]

92. I'm not advocating for violence towards anyone. It's ridiculous of you to suggest that.

You just misuse the word 'violence' a lot. I'm not even sure which group you mean by "this group". The police? No, I'm not advocating harm against them. The media who filmed it? No, not against them either.

I've not made any "vile suggestions". Hell, I've not even made a suggestion. I pointed out your claim of having said "if" was wrong.

[Geechie]

66. Seriously?

Did you even watch the clip? Nothing violent. People carry signs & shout slogans in a demonstration. Oh. The horror!!

[edisdead]

70. Did they force their way through a barrier?

If they did you have to assume they will force their way into the convention.

Sorry. I personally am not a fan of pushing protests away to a point where it is ineffective but at the same time if they are not obeying the permits and regulations they must be treated as potentially dangerous.

[muriel_volestrangler]

83. Why do you "have to assume that"?

Their chant after getting through the barrier was "our streets!" - which seems to mean they were pissed off at not being allowed to demonstrate on the public street. There is much difference between demonstrating in a public place without permission, and forcing your way into a building. So why you you feel you "have to" assume they'll try it?

[hlthe2b]

75. I SAID IF THEY BECOME VIOLENT. Did you even read my post?

Stop trying to start something that was not stated nor even hinted at. JUST STOP IT!!!

Somehow, I'm betting you've never even protested. I HAVE MULTIPLE TIMES OVER DECADES. I DID SO PEACEFULLY, NONVIOLENTLY and I RESPECTED THE RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE FOR PEACEFUL PROTEST.

Come back to me when you have.

[Geechie]

78. One, where did you say "if?"

Two, you don’t know anything about me or how many times or where or when I have protested. Get off your high horse before it throws you.

[hlthe2b]

86. Unless YOU are advocating for violence, we have no disagreement, try as you might to suggest otherwise.

Breaking through barriers does NOT imply nonviolent protest.. And those responding, restraining/arresting before anyone is harmed is the sane response. When you have participated in as many protests as many of us here have or even read a little history of nonviolent protests, you will understand the importance of getting your message across--which ENDS when it becomes conflict.

[newdeal2]

8. That's the first barrier

There is a huge perimeter around the United Center with multiple layers so I don’t think they were close.

[Basso8vb]

9. Fuck 'em

Lock them all up.

[RandySF]

10. Doesn't look so intense.

[Tarzanrock]

11. Time to shoot them with non-lethal bullets ...

Time to shoot them with non-lethal bullets ... and break up this riot! It's not a "protest" -- it's a riot! Arrest several hundred of these rioters, charge them and put them in jail for a week. Let them pay lawyers and have an experience with the U.S. Criminal Justice System for breaking the law.

[mjvpi]

37. "Shoot them in the legs". Is that what you mean. Where have I heard that before?

[Oopsie Daisy]

39. No.

LOL... I don't know. You tell me.

[kansasobama]

46. No shooting

Absolutely not. They are misguided and they are just helping Trump. They are being stupid. But no shooting.

[edisdead]

71. Yeah not a fan of that until it looks like they will injure others.

I don’t think it will get that far but then again we are on day 1.

[orthoclad]

64. The correct word is "less-lethal",

because people have died and been blinded that way. But who needs two eyes anyway?

Police munitions kill.

[lostnfound]

80. Linda Tirado would disagree

But she cant argue because she is dead.

[Ace Rothstein]

13. They've already been removed and the barriers restored.

[elleng]

15. Thanks

[Ace Rothstein]

18. With the number of protestors that have shown up, I find it difficult to imagine CPD won't be able to handle things.

Only 10% of expected protestors so far.

[barbtries]

73. thank you

that's all i wanted to know.
i'm at the convention (in my bedroom, with c-span)

[onandup]

14. Not seeing this anywhere on the news

Looks like a pretty small "breach".

[live love laugh]

16. It is

[onandup]

21. Can you give me a link?

I mean are we talking a local news channel? Seems like a non-event for the national media.

[wnylib]

30. Youtube has several videos. Here's one.

?si=8Ztlzlirjzbsaoj-

[llmart]

60. It was on ABC Nightly news with David Muir.

Even I saw that and I rarely watch TV news.

[Oopsie Daisy]

17. Arrest every damn one of them. Send those terrorist-lovers to jail..

... or directly to Gaza. They didn't achieve their objectives with their college protests and taking over campus buildings. They will fail here too. Fuckers.

[wnylib]

33. Maybe cancel their permits for the rest of the week.

Chicago is prepared. I heard on a website or on the radio (don't remember which) that Chicago has set aside a place capable of detaining huge numbers of people if necessary.

[PedroXimenez]

20. looks like there are more photographers

than protesters

[wnylib]

22. NPR just reported that it was a small group

that breached a barrier at a park. Don't know which park or its location in regard to the United Center. Per NPR, 4 people were arrested from a small group that split away from the main demonstration.

[nolabear]

23. I can't believe people are calling for them to be shot.

Who ARE we? They haven’t been violent. And it was over quickly. They can protest. Don’t front load rage.

[proud patriot]

25. that surprised me too

not cool .

[TheProle]

34. Was thinking the same thing....

[kansasobama]

44. No they should not be harmed but

It is not helping them protesting against Harris and helping Trump

[nolabear]

51. That's true. But if it's handled well

And I expect it to be, it can stand in contrast to the other side’s blood thirst.

[kansasobama]

56. True

I can say things will be really bad under Trump. I don't think protesters understand this fact. Trump plans to rule like an authoritarian who will not follow norms.

I know Gaza situation is extremely complex. It is not as simplistic as -why don't we just withhold bombs from Israel. There are guidelines that have to be followed which is laid down by state department. Yes, Presidents can tweak sometimes but not that easily. Biden is doing his very best. It is not easy as both sides are deeply flawed as innocent's lose lives. Gaza protesters have to realize that Hamas and Netanyahu are two sides of the same chaotic coin.

[soandso]

48. Thank you!

"Shoot them", "arrest them", "terrorists" and calling this a "riot". WTAF?

[Emile]

24. LOL

[Blue Owl]

26. What are they gonna do -- dump a few ounces of JD's fake jizz on the other side of the barriers?

[wnylib]

27. Coverage from people on the scene.

?si=8Ztlzlirjzbsaoj-

[GoCubsGo]

50. It's interesting how many of them are wearing helmets of some sort.

It's almost as if they were expecting violence. Gee. I wonder why.

[JohnSJ]

28. and they have had their asses arrested.

[Think. Again.]

29. That was pretty pathetic.

[Kaleva]

31. Looks like more hype then substance

[apcalc]

32. Let 'em protest. They will not get us down!

Don’t get me wrong. They have every right to protest . I have protested stuff in past years.

However, THEY WILL NOT STOP our work.
The convention will go on, it will be successful and we will come out of there with FABULOUS MOMENTUM AND ENTHUSIASM for Kamala and Tim!!!’

Further, Kamala will likely reiterate her hope and work for a cease-fire.

Meanwhile, the protests are a sideshow which, to me, will stop nothing!!

[kansasobama]

43. Protest but not at the cost of our own democracy

There is no context for these protesters. Hamas did attack Israel in October 2023. Yes, Netanyahu is an idiot. We are not looking at two angels here. There are bad guys on both sides and innocent victims on both sides

[SalienceNews]

35. Looks pretty chill

...from this POV: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/dnc-2024-chicago-palestine-protest-livestream-b2598513.html

[OAITW r.2.0]

36. To the Breeches!

The Horde is upon us!

[niyad]

38. So my nasty, cynical, suspicious little mind wants to know. .who helped

those protestors? Why were they able to so easily get through those barriers? Inside job?

[kansasobama]

42. There is probably a Moscow push

Are these Arabs or people looking like Arabs.

[niyad]

45. That is not at all what I was talking about.

[kansasobama]

49. My apologies

Sorry

[Jack Valentino]

40. I hope that they are peacefully and non-violently arrested,

if they are breaking any laws....


This is not even our war.... sigh

[kansasobama]

41. I am so tired of these Gaza protesters and Rashida

So stupid of them to help Trump win and decimate the shit out of them. So stupid. Hope our Arab Dems help educate these protesters that Trump plans to invoke the insurrection Act to silence protests and use his immunity to order Justice Dept to imprison Arab citizens or send them to Guantanamo under the pretext they are Hamas. Do not help Trump say these are all Hamas. Gaza supporters are not Hamas.

[Fiendish Thingy]

47. Nothing to see but a few people taking pictures

That’s it, no violence, no rioting, no police brutality, nothing.

Nothing on the news either.

Whoop de friggin do

[LeftInTX]

68. They broke the barriers.

[former9thward]

74. ABC Nightly news had a story on it.

[bigtree]

52. fafo

...

[keithbvadu2]

53. Trump supporters.

[msongs]

54. looks like maybe 50 people lol. is the barrier made of toilet paper? nt

[angrychair]

55. Revoke all permits

And clear the area. They have no intention to protest without trying to do damage or harm others and that is not ok.

Slam the door on it all

[kansasobama]

58. Protesters need to sympathize with people in Gaza, not Hamas

That is the catch. They cannot support Hamas

[onecaliberal]

57. Lock them up. It's not peaceful.

They are not Dems.

[kansasobama]

59. Some are but some are paid troublemakers

Moscow push.

[onecaliberal]

61. If they are not peaceful. They need to be arrested.

[DownriverDem]

65. They have

a right to protest, but not break the law. Why are they not farther away in a protest zone? I hope the cops figure out how to keep them back.

[relayerbob]

69. Those broke away from the main group

They are probably largely paid agit-proppers. And we can guess who is paying them

[The Grand Illuminist]

84. And this is what happens...

When someone does not do their job properly.

[JustAnotherGen]

72. Don't give them attention

Paid performance artists.

[lees1975]

76. Doesn't look like much.

Inconsequential, in terms of what they are achieving. And not nearly as many as they expected.

Protest all week, they are demonstrating a level of ignorance of how a constitutional democracy works in a republic. Their biggest political allies are inside the convention hall, representing the best of what they will ever be able to get, so it's pretty clear they are after something else. Why not just come out with it?

[kcr]

79. OOOOH! A fence got knocked down

The press has been salivating with the idea that tens of thousands of protesters will show up and that it will be another '68. They will desperately try to make any little thing a big deal so their prediction will come true.

[Zoomie1986]

81. Funny

I don't remember so much coverage of the riot in LA during the 2000 convention. And, yes, there was one, after the fascist LAPD attacked people attending the Rage Against the Machine concert across the street from the convention--both during the concert itself and especially after as the people were trying to leave after the pigs told them to disperse.

The sooner the fascist LAPD are nuked to the Kuiper belt, the better.

[betsuni]

90. Please arrest me, please please please.

[BrightKnight]

93. Chicago has lots of colleges and lots of protests.

The Chicago police have lots of experience dealing with this kind of thing. I would be shocked if anything gets out of control. Also, in my experience, they can be very smart and very firm when they want to.

Don’t play fk around and find out with CPD. I know people that found out.