Democrats are showing the legacy press that they don't need them

[Baltimike]

They can speak directly to their people.

Notice some asswipe bitching that some speeches weren't done "during prime time" as though Democrats had an obligation to meet some prime time tv time crunch to appease the corporate media masters.

I can only hope it continues...

We don't need them. They need us.

[CousinIT]

1. The media has been trashing Dems while ignoring criminal Repubs for decades

The most egregious example is Donald Trump. They STILL try to normalize that sociopath, and they are still trying to pretend there is equivalence between goddamned lies and truth/facts. The media's both-sides bullshit is just bullshit.

Democratic candidates can and should prioritize speaking with voters and the nation's people, not the goddamned media.

[Baltimike]

2. Truer words. I hope that Dems keep this up. It's amazing. nt

[raccoon]

69. This one's a keeper.

[Beartracks]

73. This is a democracy, and Democrats are democratizing the flow of information.

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[LymphocyteLover]

75. I will never forgive them for their treason the America via trump

[617Blue]

3. The Democrats are a political party not a cult

we honor our great leaders. Sorry if we went on too long and didn't feature racists, wife beaters and porn stars.

[Deminpenn]

34. Dems didn't go too long, that was planned.

All the speeches were tightly scripted and timed. No one wandered off on a tangent. I wondered why, on Biden's night, there were so many speeches that weren't about Biden, but about Trump, abortion rights, project 2025, etc. But that was the plan. DNC knew the broadcast networks were going to keep with the convention until Biden spoke. Jmho, but they took advantage of that by having these other speakers on to highlight Trump's record and future plans.

[getagrip_already]

36. It wasnt too long on the left coast....

It was conveniently timed for them.

Im on the right coast, so it was a late night for me. But hell, it was worth it.

[mdbl]

48. Same here

I revel at Biden's stamina. I'm in my 50's and it was too late for me. I went to bed and had to watch his speech the next morning on c-span.org.

[True Blue American]

64. I went to bed early

And for some reason I awakened when it was time for Biden’s speech. It was wonderful.

[Fullduplexxx]

4. Dont give the media anything, let them starve

[Oopsie Daisy]

5. Sadly, even people like Chris Hayes continue to denigrate Biden on the first night of the DNC.

Why would he do that? Is Hayes still harboring resentment over the 2020 primaries and that Biden won the nomination? This seems like a very likely reason. Whatever minimal "redeeming" value he may have had is quickly being eroded. I have lost respect for him.

[BattleRow]

7. A well trained pet

who obeys his corporate masters' dog whistle.

[Oopsie Daisy]

10. That's possible, but get the feeling that his hostility toward Biden and other centrist/reasonable Democrats *

* is spontaneous, organic, and of his own free will, rather than receiving and responding to the orders of others. He strikes me as having a chip on his shoulder, a grudge, wanting revenge and retribution for some perceived wrong that was thrust upon him and his preferred candidate. His snark and cutting remarks are his way of getting even and engaging in payback. To his credit, he's not as ham-fisted as Nina Turner (with her bowl of shit comments) he's at least "classy" enough to avoid going down that road. And he's more subtle than Briahna Joy Gray. But the hostility and resentment is still there.

[BattleRow]

13. Well,it's one way of getting

attention,isn't it?
Change his m.o. in midstream.

Perhaps the Slobfather made him an offer he couldn't refuse?

[Oopsie Daisy]

19. It seems highly unlikely that he's taking orders or bribes from Trump *

* I presume that's who you're referring to. His behavior has always been more about his own resentments and unfulfilled expectations, than anything else. His recent churlish comments about Biden disappoint, but do not surprise.

[BattleRow]

21. It does seem a bit

Hazy,doncha think?

[Oopsie Daisy]

31. Sorry that my comments seem hazy. I'm not sure how I can be any clearer.

But, I've enjoyed chatting with you.

[BattleRow]

38. I was doing a word play on

his name Hayes..why I said hazy.

Your posts were totally clear.And yes,I've enjoyed your posts,also.

[Oopsie Daisy]

41. Ah... very clever! I get it now! 👍️

[TRHST82]

23. Hayes goes back and forth between praising and shading Biden

I put people like BJG in the same category as right-wingers.

[Oopsie Daisy]

33. Interesting analysis and description. I've always wondered what Bernie Sanders saw in her *

* that she could be elevated to become the National Press Secretary for the his 2020 presidential campaign. She's definitely toxic.

[True Blue American]

65. So true. Hayes

Is like a chameleon.

[getagrip_already]

37. Never forget he has a multi million dollar contract - he is not a common man

Dont confuse him for one. He is rich, with investments, and tax liabilities. He works in nyc which puts him close to a 50% tax bracket between fed, state, and city.

Im sure that eats him alive. He is not happy about a progressive agenda and it shows.

[Rebl2]

40. Was thinking

the same thing.

[Joinfortmill]

6. Amen.

[Tribetime]

8. I can't recommend this post enough so true

[lonely bird]

9. OTOH

We do need them…WE NEED THEM TO DO THEIR DAMN JOBS AND NOT FELLATE TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS.

[rubbersole]

15. But thar's money in fellatin' the clickbait horse race

[lonely bird]

20. Yeah, I get that

It is even worse with the top management in the media nowadays.

[rubbersole]

35. Everything is monetized.

The media has controlled the political narrative for decades. The landscape is slowly changing with Gen Z ignoring tv. We're at a turning point of sorts. My granddaughters are climate activists. I'm hopeful for the future, but unlimited money is not going away and they're not going to be taxed without political leadership that's not beholden to them. It feels like it's possible. Joe Biden's support of Labor is the most refreshing thing in years. We'll see.

[jrthin]

29. Why do we need them if as you say they are not doing their jobs and fellating

Trump and the republicans. I believe when people show you who they are, we should believe them.

[sarchasm]

11. THIS! - "We don't need them. They need us."

Democrats, all of us, need to channel our Dark Brandon energy!

[BlueinUtah]

12. If they were doing their jobs...

the polls would be showing a total blowout right now.

[ananda]

14. Now, if only all Dems would cancel and boycott all msm!

The problem is that the press has too many of us
watching and subscribing.

[dslyahoo]

32. Ignore the historically big media empires

And call press conferences with smaller, but more fair media outlets. Raise up truth and those that support it. Disparage propaganda and those that promulgate it.

[ananda]

43. Exactly!

Thank you

[Baltimike]

50. They gone from INFORMING to INFLUENCING so they can have access

but we don't need them. They need us

[geardaddy]

16. I noticed that when Jake Tapper said that

What a complete dick.

[geardaddy]

17. Nancy Pelosi called Jake Tapper out on air

when he was interviewing her. He looked like a scolded kindergartner.

[MagickMuffin]

22. Would ya happen to have a link?

I’d love to see Nancy Pelosi slap Jake Tapper.

Jake Tapper is a rw hack. He loves to cock his head to the right very telling when he does it.

[geardaddy]

25. Found one!

Nancy asked why were they even talking about if she was pushing for Joe to step aside. She said, why are we even talking about it?

On edit: I did find one, but it's from Fox News: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6360677577112

[GreatAuntK]

18. Podcasts

I've been getting most of my news from podcasts like Bulwark and Meidastouch on Youtube. I quit cable several years ago, and mostly stream Peacock, which has some of the major stations, if a few hours later.

[thesquanderer]

24. The issue is that speeches broadcast outside prime time are seen by far fewer people.

At least on a Monday night on the east coast, a lot more people would have seen Biden speaking at 10-11 pm than saw him speaking after midnight. That's the complaint, not "appeasing corporate masters."

[Baltimike]

66. Nope

“Seen by far fewer people”

On their platform. Dems are being seen by reaching out directly to the people as opposed to being framed by the press

[thesquanderer]

72. The TV broadcast of the convention *IS* an example of Dems being seen directly by the people,

without being framed the press. And the press' subsequent criticism that important parts came so late as to become an impediment to reaching as many people as they would have liked is a legit criticism.

[Blue Owl]

26. ABCNNBCBS can go fuck a clogged toilet

[BattleRow]

39. They ARE a

clogged toilet!.So,yeah,go fuck yourselves.

[agingdem]

27. I think Joe Biden's debate debacle

was the beginning of legacy media's slide into the backseat ...the 24/7 focus on Joe's age and mental acuity while praising Trump's stamina and ignoring his unchecked vomit of lies and insults, was unsettling ...but when Biden withdrew from the race and was no longer the media's punching bag, they had no choice but to lift the curtain exposing their complicity in normalizing Trump's malicious psychopathy...

For years the MSM played by Trump's rules, trash Democrats and both-sides his verbal sadism...and then came Kamala...the absolute joy in watching cable gasbags/print media whine about Kamala's refusal to answer their stupid questions cannot be overstated...thoughts and prayers, assholes...

[GoreWon2000]

42. The media behaved the same way in 2000

Al Gore could do nothing right while bushthief was the media's savior. Our country will never be the same.

[Zoomie1986]

79. They acted the same way in 2004, 2016 and 2020

Being traitors is a feature, not a bug for them.

[GoreWon2000]

82. 2000 was the worst coverage in my lifetime

It was most blatant in 2000. The pro repug media made no effort to hide their pro bushthief and anti democracy views.

[Skittles]

62. she is beating them a their own game

LOVE it

[Baltimike]

67. THIS!! nt

[Mysterian]

28. Good post

The corporate conglomerate media has become the enemy of objective, honest journalism.

[awesomerwb1]

30. True journalism is dead.

It's all clickbait nowadays.

Sensationalist headlines with shit articles behind pay walls. You don't need to go too far to see a few posters on here posting YouTube videos with sensationalist title every day.

To every body that complains about CNN or some MSNBC personalities: STOP SUPPORTING THEM. Don't watch them.

[BattleRow]

44. Amen..I once read that

if a reporter wasn't pissing somebody off with their questions,they weren't doing their job.

Does anybody remember Helen Thomas who was banned from Whorehouse Press Corps for her unwaivering devotion to asking the important questions?

[Nimble_Idea]

45. and may they rot in hell. and go into the trash heap of history where they belong. with the land-line telephone

[PortTack]

46. They need us is exactly right! We need to turn them off and cancel subscriptions

[catrose]

47. Good!

[mdbl]

49. Great thread of good points

I found myself click REC all the way down.

[orthoclad]

51. We NEED legacy press, not

corporate monopolies and one-liner microblogs.

We need the legacy press that gave us actual investigative reporting.

[Baltimike]

52. Sorry to disagree

but we haven't had a true press since Walter Cronkite.

we. don't need. them.

[orthoclad]

76. THAT is the exact "legacy press" we need

Remember when Baltimore had 3 daily papers, plus the weeklies?
Those orgs paid a staff of investigative reporters. That was a true legacy.

Instead, we have have a bunch of internet randos and giant monopolies.

Microblogs are not journalism.

[brewens]

53. All of them would be fucked if Trump wound up in the White House again. Do bigshot TV pundits make millions

in dictatorships? Nope. None of what makes them money makes a bit of difference in a country like Russia. They won't have to pay them squat to follow orders.

[bucolic_frolic]

54. If we generate a big enough tidal wave, this could be true as rain

[Tweedy]

55. Here is what I was wondering

Do these folks need to be in bed by 8 p.m.? I ask because that is what “inside”, “anonymous” sources are saying.

Democrats almost always run long. We even lost the performance of James Taylor last night because of it.

[BattleRow]

57. A lot of potential voters DO

need to be in bed early because they work the next day..or are working at night..to pay the bills..and they vote..

[Tweedy]

63. Absolutely true

I meant the complaining journalists.

[yankee87]

56. Reich Wing MSM

Let’s face it, well over 90% of MSM is Reich Wing. MAGA says 10000 crazy things, a Democrat says one because they’re tired, and it’s a week long story.

[BattleRow]

58. It's called tunnel vision

They've had their nose up Trump's butt for so long,it has crippled their line of vision.

Well,the light at the end of this tunnel IS another train..the Kamala Express!

[Mark.b2]

59. Most Americans thankfully arent following the MSM...

I’m traveling quite a bit these days, going to dinner with various customers around the country (mostly the Eastern half of the USA and most of Canada). The last few years, political banter around work has waned. People are much more reticent to engage in discussing politics. And it can be risky. So, it’s more difficult to take the temperature than it used to be. But, I’m not too worried about the MSM.

[Baltimike]

60. The legacy press has done a LOT of damage to the public interest

which is why it is so refreshing to see us not using them

[Historic NY]

61. We don't need them they need us to get a pay check..

Who read the NYT or other papers these days they cry for cheap digital pricing

Lets them starve.

[MistakenLamb]

68. The TV news will basically be a bigger shell than it already is by 2030

The traditional news watchers are literally dying out and more and more Americans are getting their news from content creators who have much more integrity and truth telling than the big companies. Their own elite hubris this election is showing clear to more and more people. They want to act like gatekeepers to the fourth estate and it really bothers them their grip is going to be gone soon

Podcasts, Youtube and Twitch or streamering , Substacks etc are the future of journalism not these billion dollar television and newspapers

[mucholderthandirt]

70. It's a new world, and we don't need the media. They do indeed need us, though.

My opinion is that Harris doesn't need to sit down to any interviews from the mainstream media. She doesn't need that kind of ambush shit. Talk directly to us. Talk to the new media, the online people who are actually telling the truth. What she says gets covered by the old school media, and doing this won't stop them from lying about her and letting Trump get away with his shit.

So, there's no benefit to any Dem from sitting down with the likes of Jake Tapper, or Lester Holt, or whoever thinks they've gotten the honor of bringing her down like they did Joe Biden.

We want young people to vote? Then go where the young people are (a lot are on Tik Tok, much as I hate that platform). They aren't watching broadcast TV with their landline next to them.

[DJ Porkchop]

71. When the Convention is live, that's prime time. We're speaking. Adjust accordingly.

Not trying to sell F-150's here, even if you are.

[Baltimike]

77. absolutely!!

They not like us

[Baltimike]

74. Keep it up Democrats!!! We got this, and we DON'T FUCKING NEED THEM. nt

[uponit7771]

78. THIS !!! The only reason Benedict Donald is anywhere near close is the M$M

[Baltimike]

80. He's the father of fake news

Ted Cruz's father, HRC being terminally ill...all made up by him

[FlyingPiggy]

81. I have LONG given up on the regular press. Haven't had cable in years.

Been streaming the convention on Amazon Prime TV and it has been great! No commentators. Just the convention.